P-63 King Cobra

[The Duke]

Yea, and that's how he spelled it.

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I don't think in the beginning that was the case, but that's OK.
I think it was edited to correct things, which is just fine.

 

[Vrenn]

Where are you getting 437 mph? I only see 437 with the model D and only one was made. It flew (and crashed) in 1945.
I am seeing 408

Bell P-63E Kingcobra

Note: This aircraft has been moved to storage.This World War II fighter was developed from the P-39 Airacobra, which it closely resembles. The U.S. Army Air Forces never used the P-63 in combat,

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P-63 King Cobra

The P-63 was an enlarged version of the P-39. It came out exactly the time that the P-51B/C came out. In a flyoff, both fighters had pros and cons. top Speed goes to the P-51 at 437 with it's supercharged Merlin putting out 1590 hp. The P-63 top speed was 410 with an Allison normal air...

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In 1945 the AF has two variant jet fighters under testing including a pair of shooting stars actually flying in Italy.

The only difference between the D and the E was the cockpit canopy. And there were quite a lot of E models made and sent to Russia. One of the problems I see is that it all depends on who is giving the information. The P-51B and C was the ones that the War Department wanted. They were set in their ways. So they fudge one over the other. Real facts don't really enter into it. Therefore, if the D can top out at 437 so can the E.

As for the two YP-80s in Italy, some say it was just test flights only. But an alternative might be that the Arado AR-243 was flying overflights and they ceased just before the YP-80s took to the Italian sky. Food for thought on that one.

 

[westwall]

The only difference between the D and the E was the cockpit canopy. And there were quite a lot of E models made and sent to Russia. One of the problems I see is that it all depends on who is giving the information. The P-51B and C was the ones that the War Department wanted. They were set in their ways. So they fudge one over the other. Real facts don't really enter into it. Therefore, if the D can top out at 437 so can the E.

As for the two YP-80s in Italy, some say it was just test flights only. But an alternative might be that the Arado AR-243 was flying overflights and they ceased just before the YP-80s took to the Italian sky. Food for thought on that one.

The D variant had the most powerful version of the Allison V-1710, plus the air intake was moved further to the rear. That probably, (though I don't know if it was ever tested) reduced the parasitic drag thus allowing a higher speed.

And yeah, it was a kick ass aircraft, but the Quartermaster Corp had no desire to build a new logistics train to support it.

Thus they got sent to Russia.

As an FYI, the NAA T-28 trainer out performs a P-51 too!

 

[Vrenn]

The D variant had the most powerful version of the Allison V-1710, plus the air intake was moved further to the rear. That probably, (though I don't know if it was ever tested) reduced the parasitic drag thus allowing a higher speed.

And yeah, it was a kick ass aircraft, but the Quartermaster Corp had no desire to build a new logistics train to support it.

Thus they got sent to Russia.

As an FYI, the NAA T-28 trainer out performs a P-51 too!

The moving of the air intake was what made the P-40 work so well. Before that, the early P-40s could barely make it over 302mph. When they moved the air intake to under the prop, it went to over 360mph. So something as simple as moving an intake, fin, etc. to somewhere else made it or broke it. Besides, the P-63 had the same style wing as the P-51 unlike the others. It just had more of a wing area.

I spent time turning a wrench on the T-28. First of all, it didn't come out until the early 50s. Even though it had the 1820 Wasp motor, by then, they got that motor to produce as much HP as the Merlin. During the first 2/3rds of WWII, the Merlin was the go to engine but even Britain was going to another engine. At just below 1500hp, the Merlin became obsolete. But the Radials from PW and the Allisons from Allison still had room to grow even reaching 1875hp and beyond.

 

[airplanemechanic]

I don't think in the beginning that was the case, but that's OK.
I think it was edited to correct things, which is just fine.

You can only edit for 60 minutes, the thread was posted on Monday and you bitched about the spelling on Thursday. I looked immediately when you said that and it was spelled right.

I think you've been hitting the sauce.

 

[PeterPilot]

That 37mm gun on the 63 shot through the prop hub. That's some radical shit. As an airplane mechanic, I would LOVE to examine how THAT system worked.

What I don't like about the 2 Bell products is that the drive shaft is running right between my legs, yikes. I guess it worked out OK.

 

[Vrenn]

What I don't like about the 2 Bell products is that the drive shaft is running right between my legs, yikes. I guess it worked out OK.

Jaun Hung Low would never volunteer to fly it.

 

[jwoodie]

Or is the B-17 excellent at knocking down a King Cobra?

2022 Dallas Air Show?

 

[westwall]

2022 Dallas Air Show?

Yes, that's what they are referencing.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The only difference between the D and the E was the cockpit canopy. And there were quite a lot of E models made and sent to Russia. One of the problems I see is that it all depends on who is giving the information. The P-51B and C was the ones that the War Department wanted. They were set in their ways. So they fudge one over the other. Real facts don't really enter into it. Therefore, if the D can top out at 437 so can the E.

As for the two YP-80s in Italy, some say it was just test flights only. But an alternative might be that the Arado AR-243 was flying overflights and they ceased just before the YP-80s took to the Italian sky. Food for thought on that one.

No. They were a shit design
. Outdone by P51, P47, Hellcat, Corsair, and Bearcat. The model you are flagging NEVER EXISTED.

 

[airplanemechanic]

No. They were a shit design
. Outdone by P51, P47, Hellcat, Corsair, and Bearcat. The model you are flagging NEVER EXISTED.

What plane didn't exist?

 

[Vrenn]

No. They were a shit design
. Outdone by P51, P47, Hellcat, Corsair, and Bearcat. The model you are flagging NEVER EXISTED.

Well, now, if as you say, the P-63E was never trusted except there were 13 that was delivered with another over 2900 wanted. What killed it was the end of WWII like many other birds. You think you found a Gotcha. Considering I have never mentioned the D model your gotcha is stupid.

I once thought that the P-63 had a single speed supercharger. Yes it did. In addition to a hydralic Supercharger where it still had tons of ponies above 20,000 feet.

Vewing that you are just doing gotchas, Have a nice night, Gracie and say goodnight.

 

[Vrenn]

What plane didn't exist?

He keeps going on about the D that only one model existed.
The D brought us the E about the time the D model P-51 came out. I just put him in the Goodnight Gracie file for playing the Gotchas.

What plane didn't exist?