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The P-63 was an enlarged version of the P-39. It came out exactly the time that the P-51B/C came out. In a flyoff, both fighters had pros and cons.

top Speed goes to the P-51 at 437 with it's supercharged Merlin putting out 1590 hp. The P-63 top speed was 410 with an Allison normal air breathing engine at 1800 hp. The AAF specified that the P-63 was not to receive a supercharger where it could complete at a higher altitude. That was carried over from the P-39.

P-51 range (without drop tanks) was 951 miles while the P-63s range was 450.

P-51 ceiling was 41900 while the P-63 was 42979

Armament

P-51D 6 50 Cal MGs
P-63 1 37mm nose mounted gun and 4 50 cals.

Cost per unit
p-63A 48,000
P-51B/C 50,000

Outside of the munitions, it appears that the P-51 is the clear winner. But is it? It appears that the War Department didn't quite tell the truth on the P-61. While the P-51B had a top speed of 422, the actual top speed of the P-63 was 433. And if you compare the weights and power between the two, the P-63 had to have a higher climb rate.

So in order to not accept the P63 in large numbers into the AAC, they needed to fudge a bit. But here is the real reason. RANGE. Since the P-63A was very close to the performance of the P-51B or even the D, the real reason is, it's internal fuel load was much less and most P-63 Enthusiasts point out the total range, it's with two external fuel tanks which would only allow it to about 1200 miles versus about 450 with just internals. The P-51 had a range of about 975 miles on internal tanks. This deficiency could have been taken care of but they had already decided to go with the P-51B. The same thinking kept the P-38 from reaching it's potential by changing out to a 4 bladed paddle prop so it could use more than 1500 hp (it's engines had 1875 hp).

What gave the P-63 a saving grace was that the ground attack of the P-39 was so good that nothing could withstand the 37mm nose cannon and it carried just enough on the racks for a decent ground attack. So on the lend/lease program over 3600 P-63As were sent to the Soviet Union. Oh, and in a dogfight at under 20K, the P-63 outperformed the P-51 so it also gave the Soviets the ability to defeat the Luftwaffe.
 
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That 37mm gun on the 63 shot through the prop hub. That's some radical shit. As an airplane mechanic, I would LOVE to examine how THAT system worked.
 
That 37mm gun on the 63 shot through the prop hub. That's some radical shit. As an airplane mechanic, I would LOVE to examine how THAT system worked.

The hub probably had a collet that revolved around the barrel, I'm just guessing.

That would have been easier than this method:

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A fighter aircraft machine gun is synchronized to shoot through propeller blades using a device called a "synchronization gear" (also known as an "interrupter gear")which precisely times the firing of the gun to occur only when there is a gap between the spinning propeller blades, allowing the bullets to pass through without hitting them.

Key points about synchronization gear:
  • Function:
    It essentially regulates the machine gun's firing to coincide with the propeller's rotation, allowing bullets to pass through the space between the blades.
Historical context:
This technology was crucial during World War I when fighter planes were first equipped with forward-firing machine guns, as it enabled pilots to effectively shoot at targets without damaging their own propellers.

Mechanism:
The synchronization gear usually involves a mechanical linkage that connects the propeller rotation to the gun's firing mechanism, allowing the gun to fire only at the precise moment when the propeller blades are not in the firing path.
 
That 37mm gun on the 63 shot through the prop hub. That's some radical shit. As an airplane mechanic, I would LOVE to examine how THAT system worked.

Easy answer. The crank came in lower in the gearbox and then the Gearboxes output shaft was in the upper part of the gearbox. Like the BF109 with it's 20mm, the cannon was mounted so that it was just above the engine. Actually, it wasn't above the engine but it was in between the two cylinder banks.
 
Outside of the munitions, it appears that the P-51 is the clear winner. But is it? It appears that the War Department didn't quite tell the truth on the P-61. While the P-51B had a top speed of 422, the actual top speed of the P-63 was 433. And if you compare the weights and power between the two, the P-63 had to have a higher climb rate.
What were their top speeds at 30,000 feet? Thats what matters on the ETO.
 
What were their top speeds at 30,000 feet? Thats what matters on the ETO.

High Blower for the P51B was 29400 at 442 mph.
1 speed supercharger for the P-63 was 30000 at 437.

The actual climb rate was much higher for the P-63 at all altitudes. What made the allisson perform on par with the Merlin was that it had over 200 more hp. This also went with the 43,000 feet service ceiling for the P-63 versus the 41500 feet service ceiling for the p-51. The turn rate was better in the P-63.

I have no idea how they got that much performance out of a single stage supercharger but they did. And no, it wasn't the same engine as the P-39.

The real reason the P-63 was delegrated to the Soviets is that the p-51B/D, P-38JLO-25 and the P-47D was already in the supply chain. When they finally got to test the P-63s latest version, I imagine it shocked a whole bunch of people. There was a huge "We are winning with what we have so let's not change horses in the middle of the stream". Meanwhile, the Soviets needed something that could defeat the 109 and 190 and
the P-61E did that standing on it's head.
 
Easy answer. The crank came in lower in the gearbox and then the Gearboxes output shaft was in the upper part of the gearbox. Like the BF109 with it's 20mm, the cannon was mounted so that it was just above the engine. Actually, it wasn't above the engine but it was in between the two cylinder banks.
The engine on a P-63 or P-39 was located behind the pilot, not in front of him.
 
The engine on a P-63 or P-39 was located behind the pilot, not in front of him.

So what. The gearbox in the front had the same geometrics in the 109 as the P-63 had regardless of how long the input shaft is from the engine to the gearbox. Sorry, I don't accept "Gotchas".

BTW, I started my AF carreer as a Prog Mech and worked on a lot of the antique stuff. No, the P-63 was out of the inventory by then. But I am quiet knowledgeable of how it works.
 
High Blower for the P51B was 29400 at 442 mph.
1 speed supercharger for the P-63 was 30000 at 437.

The actual climb rate was much higher for the P-63 at all altitudes. What made the allisson perform on par with the Merlin was that it had over 200 more hp. This also went with the 43,000 feet service ceiling for the P-63 versus the 41500 feet service ceiling for the p-51. The turn rate was better in the P-63.

I have no idea how they got that much performance out of a single stage supercharger but they did. And no, it wasn't the same engine as the P-39.

The real reason the P-63 was delegrated to the Soviets is that the p-51B/D, P-38JLO-25 and the P-47D was already in the supply chain. When they finally got to test the P-63s latest version, I imagine it shocked a whole bunch of people. There was a huge "We are winning with what we have so let's not change horses in the middle of the stream". Meanwhile, the Soviets needed something that could defeat the 109 and 190 and
the P-61E did that standing on it's head.
Where are you getting 437 mph? I only see 437 with the model D and only one was made. It flew (and crashed) in 1945.
I am seeing 408

In 1945 the AF has two variant jet fighters under testing including a pair of shooting stars actually flying in Italy.
 
So what. The gearbox in the front had the same geometrics in the 109 as the P-63 had regardless of how long the input shaft is from the engine to the gearbox. Sorry, I don't accept "Gotchas".

BTW, I started my AF carreer as a Prog Mech and worked on a lot of the antique stuff. No, the P-63 was out of the inventory by then. But I am quiet knowledgeable of how it works.
Thje gearbox is not located behind the prop, it is below it. See the attacked cut away diagram.
 

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The P-63 was an enlarged version of the P-39. It came out exactly the time that the P-51B/C came out. In a flyoff, both fighters had pros and cons.

top Speed goes to the P-51 at 437 with it's supercharged Merlin putting out 1590 hp. The P-63 top speed was 410 with an Allison normal air breathing engine at 1800 hp. The AAF specified that the P-63 was not to receive a supercharger where it could complete at a higher altitude. That was carried over from the P-39.

P-51 range (without drop tanks) was 951 miles while the P-63s range was 450.

P-51 ceiling was 41900 while the P-63 was 42979

Armament

P-51D 6 50 Cal MGs
P-63 1 37mm nose mounted gun and 4 50 cals.

Cost per unit
p-63A 48,000
P-51B/C 50,000

Outside of the munitions, it appears that the P-51 is the clear winner. But is it? It appears that the War Department didn't quite tell the truth on the P-61. While the P-51B had a top speed of 422, the actual top speed of the P-63 was 433. And if you compare the weights and power between the two, the P-63 had to have a higher climb rate.

So in order to not accept the P63 in large numbers into the AAC, they needed to fudge a bit. But here is the real reason. RANGE. Since the P-63A was very close to the performance of the P-51B or even the D, the real reason is, it's internal fuel load was much less and most P-63 Enthusiasts point out the total range, it's with two external fuel tanks which would only allow it to about 1200 miles versus about 450 with just internals. The P-51 had a range of about 975 miles on internal tanks. This deficiency could have been taken care of but they had already decided to go with the P-51B. The same thinking kept the P-38 from reaching it's potential by changing out to a 4 bladed paddle prop so it could use more than 1500 hp (it's engines had 1875 hp).

What gave the P-63 a saving grace was that the ground attack of the P-39 was so good that nothing could withstand the 37mm nose cannon and it carried just enough on the racks for a decent ground attack. So on the lend/lease program over 3600 P-63As were sent to the Soviet Union. Oh, and in a dogfight at under 20K, the P-63 outperformed the P-51 so it also gave the Soviets the ability to defeat the Luftwaffe.
You spelled Allison wrong. It's ok. :)
 
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