Owens vs Hoffman - NY23 (Live Results)

[Midnight Marauder]

The margin is now 3.4, with 24.6% still left to count.

 

[Modbert]

i haven't talked to anyone who's been impressed by him.

one and done, imo.

MA politics, oh so interesting. Maybe ****** Bulger will run next election.

 

[Modbert]

If Hoffman loses this election--we only have the Republican party of this district to blame. They picked Scozzafia to be the candidate--a liberal democrat with an R behind her name.

Hoffman came in very late--he is an unknown--thanks to the Republican party in this district & they only have themselves to blame.

Already playing the blame game. You'd figure the endorsement of every major Republican, the majority who are not actually Conservative would be enough for the Neo Con in a Republican district.

And the reason why Hoffman came in so late? He backed off his support of Scozzafia and ran as a "Conservative". Just what we need, another liar in office.

 

[Andrew2382]

Hoffman is going to lose up there.

However, he was kinda thrown together last minute. The win isn't so much a victory for democrats but shows what chaos is going on up there in the RNC.

That ***** sure did a number on the RNC...they picked her I guess because Owens is this moderate lib and she was suppose to be a moderate republican but she was way to the left of that.

Hoffman wasn't that great of a canidate either...I heard a few of his speeches he was about as exciting as a goldfish.

The big election is NJ no matter how you look at it. Thats a democratic stronghold right there

 

[Modbert]

Hoffman is going to lose up there.

However, he was kinda thrown together last minute. The win isn't so much a victory for democrats but shows what chaos is going on up there in the RNC.

That ***** sure did a number on the RNC...they picked her I guess because Owens is this moderate lib and she was suppose to be a moderate republican but she was way to the left of that.

Hoffman wasn't that great of a canidate either...I heard a few of his speeches he was about as exciting as a goldfish.

The big election is NJ no matter how you look at it. Thats a democratic stronghold right there

Exactly, people just saw "Oh he's running as a Conservative! Let's vote for him!" When in reality, he's about as Conservative as Sarah Palin is. Which is to say, not that much.

And NJ is not a Democratic stronghold for Governors.

 

[Andrew2382]

New jersey has had a democratic governor since 2002 I believe. It's a huge loss for the DNC...no way around it.

I was looking at maps of NJ when Corzine won...Obama won and today

The trend from blue to red from Obama to today was huge

 

[L.K.Eder]

UPDATE:

71.1% reporting:

Owens 49.1
Hoffman 45.2

And 5.7% idiots voting for someone who's not even running.

People who don't like either candidate.

Looks to be the only hope for Hoffman at this point is to have it finish close enough for a runoff that won't include Scozzafava.

do you know the requirements of a runoff in this case? what would have to be the margin?

and yes, this is a harmless quest to get information.

 

[Toro]

Losing NY-23 is not a victory for conservatives

If Hoffman does win, that is a victory. But if he loses, forcing out a moderate in a district that has voted Republican for 119 years is not a victory, no matter which way you cut it.

However, it will embolden conservatives into believing "It was a last minute thing. Nobody knew him. The RNC was against him from the start." And they will challenge other moderates in otherwise winnable seats, which will be nothing but a boon for the Democrats in 2010. The conservatives will cut off the party's nose to spite its face.

Unless he wins. Then it is a win.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

People who don't like either candidate.

Looks to be the only hope for Hoffman at this point is to have it finish close enough for a runoff that won't include Scozzafava.

do you know the requirements of a runoff in this case? what would have to be the margin?

and yes, this is a harmless quest to get information.

I really have no idea, but I assume it would have to be less than 1.5% at least.

 

[Modbert]

New jersey has had a democratic governor since 2002 I believe. It's a huge loss for the DNC...no way around it.

I was looking at maps of NJ when Corzine won...Obama won and today

The trend from blue to red from Obama to today was huge

Except people disliked Corzine LONG before Obama was even a candidate.

NJ switches back and forth between (D) and (R) for Governor. If you look closely enough, the party in the WH usually is not in charge as Governor. I wouldn't call it a huge loss for the DNC, it is a loss though.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Losing NY-23 is not a victory for conservatives

If Hoffman does win, that is a victory. But if he loses, forcing out a moderate in a district that has voted Republican for 119 years is not a victory, no matter which way you cut it.

However, it will embolden conservatives into believing "It was a last minute thing. Nobody knew him. The RNC was against him from the start." And they will challenge other moderates in otherwise winnable seats, which will be nothing but a boon for the Democrats in 2010. The conservatives will cut off the party's nose to spite its face.

Unless he wins. Then it is a win.

Stick with stuff you know.

We tried the whole "run Librul candidates like Juan McCain" Thingy out and it never works

Yeah, this was a big boon for Dems.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Looks to be the only hope for Hoffman at this point is to have it finish close enough for a runoff that won't include Scozzafava.

do you know the requirements of a runoff in this case? what would have to be the margin?

and yes, this is a harmless quest to get information.

I really have no idea, but I assume it would have to be less than 1.5% at least.

but there is a run off procedure?

damn, now i am curious. i will look it up.

 

[Modbert]

Stick with stuff you know.

We tried the whole "run Librul candidates like Juan McCain" Thingy out and it never works

Yeah, this was a big boon for Dems.

To believe John McCain is a Liberal shows how insane you truly are. Anyone left of batshit insane must be a Liberal to you.

 

[del]

Losing NY-23 is not a victory for conservatives

If Hoffman does win, that is a victory. But if he loses, forcing out a moderate in a district that has voted Republican for 119 years is not a victory, no matter which way you cut it.

However, it will embolden conservatives into believing "It was a last minute thing. Nobody knew him. The RNC was against him from the start." And they will challenge other moderates in otherwise winnable seats, which will be nothing but a boon for the Democrats in 2010. The conservatives will cut off the party's nose to spite its face.

Unless he wins. Then it is a win.

i thought the repub candidate withdrew on her own?

i really haven't been paying much attention, but if she was forced out, i concur with you.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

48.9 to 45.6 now, closest margin all night. 77.4% in.

 

[Andrew2382]

Stick with stuff you know.

We tried the whole "run Librul candidates like Juan McCain" Thingy out and it never works

Yeah, this was a big boon for Dems.

To believe John McCain is a Liberal shows how insane you truly are. Anyone left of batshit insane must be a Liberal to you.

to say he was a conservative or str8 republican is just as insane

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Can you imagine if a Green Party Candidate ran as well as Hoffman? We'd NEVER hear the end of how Historic it was!

 

[Midnight Marauder]

do you know the requirements of a runoff in this case? what would have to be the margin?

and yes, this is a harmless quest to get information.

I really have no idea, but I assume it would have to be less than 1.5% at least.

but there is a run off procedure?

damn, now i am curious. i will look it up.

I don't even know that for sure. Just assuming.

 

[Modbert]

i thought the repub candidate withdrew on her own?

i really haven't been paying much attention, but if she was forced out, i concur with you.

She was forced out.

Pro-choice, pro-gay rights GOP candidate Dede Scozzafava forced out of NY race

 

[Zander]

Hoffman is going to lose up there.

However, he was kinda thrown together last minute. The win isn't so much a victory for democrats but shows what chaos is going on up there in the RNC.

That ***** sure did a number on the RNC...they picked her I guess because Owens is this moderate lib and she was suppose to be a moderate republican but she was way to the left of that.

Hoffman wasn't that great of a canidate either...I heard a few of his speeches he was about as exciting as a goldfish.

The big election is NJ no matter how you look at it. Thats a democratic stronghold right there

Exactly, people just saw "Oh he's running as a Conservative! Let's vote for him!" When in reality, he's about as Conservative as Sarah Palin is. Which is to say, not that much.

And NJ is not a Democratic stronghold for Governors.

True, NJ has a history of electing moderate Republican governors for a few terms, followed by a Democrat, then another moderate Republican,etc etc,,. But Obama carried NJ by over 15 points only ONE YEAR ago. If Obama had any "magic" left his coattails would have allowed Corzine ( a lousy governor) to squeak out a win. For something so "unimportant" Obama visited the state 6 times and even sent in his election team to help Corzine out, and they still got creamed! The honeymoon is over.

In the end, it is not earth shattering, but it is a major defeat for team Obama.