Outrage Grows After Undocumented Father Arrested in Front of Daughter Near School

[Sun Devil 92]

No tears nor ***** were given on that day. The father put his child into this situation. He has no one to blame but himself.

The thread title says "Outrage". I'll say there is outrage....that we are not seeing more of this.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Your inability or refusal to empathize with the child and her father is why you see no ugliness in this event.
By all accounts, the father was an ordinary law-abiding person. A DUI conviction being used to portray him as a criminal is unreasonable when there are murderers, armed robbers, and rapists on the loose.

Judges do take into consideration a previous record before passing judgement. It would be cruel to do otherwise. This is not a law but it is common jurisprudence. Judges do not look at people in an absolutist way but take into consideration mitigating circumstances, for example if an offender has been staying on the right side of the law for decades and has been responsible with a life in the United States, married and raising a family. Treating a good father-of-four the same as a career criminal is unjust.
Mitigating Circumstances in Sentencing
The father has done no harm and has a clean record for two decades. A judge will sentence accordingly.

By all accounts, the father was an ordinary law-abiding person

Except the DUI... And the stolen car... And coming here illegally ( and probably using a stolen ID and SS number)...And ignoring his initial deportation order.
I'll miss him when he goes back to Mexico. He sounded like a swell guy.

That's why i wait till the whole story comes out. The report was designed to illicit a knee-jerk response against Immigration Officials. More 'Fake News.' He may have been wanted for other crimes. If not, i'm a fair-minded person. Something reasonable could be worked out.

We have the whole story. There are cruel and heartless people who back-up the police every time, contrary to your belief.

Police enforce our laws, so yes, good people do back them up all the time unless they broke a law themselves.

The agents broke no law here. They are doing what they should have been doing the last 8 years. We are proud of them.

The man's American family is not proud of the Immigration officers who were dressed like policemen.

They should go with him....to Mexico. To cheer him up.
If he's sad, he'll probably get more DUIs down there.

 

[OKTexas]

Such as the ICE scumbags impersonating police officers? You do know that's a crime, right?

They are federal agents, meaning they are police officers.

I wish libs could grow a brain.

Is that conservatard logic?

There's a reason why when there's a robber in your house, you don't call ICE -- you call the police, conservatard.

Police are not Federal.

You might want to tell the US Parks police.

Are there non-Federal Police besides ICE involved with Illegals?

Yes. Many cooperate with ICE and aid in apprehensions.

 

[rhodescholar]

Admit what? It is legal for ICE to pretend to be police, but they are NOT POLICE OFFICERS. They are federal immigration agents. NOT part of any local police department. END OF ******* STORY.

You're as stupid as they come, if there were involuntary lobotomies provided in the US for idiots - I'd make sure you got two.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The crimes you refer to were old misdemeanors and closed cases. They cannot even be used again according to the principle of double jeopardy.
Not having travel papers is not a crime.

Yes, it is.

Now i'm confused. That poster said he only had a DUI offense. But then he also referred to old 'cases.' That would be plural. So how many 'cases' are we talking about?

Three old misdemeanors which were dealt with by judges: a DUI, driving without proper papers and buying a car without proper documents, I believe. Not felonies and no one was hurt and for the past twenty years no trouble with the law.

I don't know, doesn't look good for him. I still believe there's more to the story. For them to issue a Deportation Order, they must have seen more. But regardless, if you are an Illegal, i would advise not committing additional crimes. That would only be begging for prison or Deportation.

In American law, there is no such thing as "an illegal" person only an illegal act.

In American law, there is no such thing as "an illegal" person

Liar!!

ICE removes aliens from the U.S. who are subject to a final order of removal issued by an immigration court or following an administrative removability review. ERO facilitates the processing of illegal aliens through the immigration court system and coordinates their departure from the U.S. ERO's robust removal program reduces the number of illegal alien absconders in the U.S. Removal management involves planning and coordinating removals across the country and developing and implementing strategies to support the return of all removable aliens to their country of origin.

Removal

 

[keepitreal]

Correct. That's why he's being deported and not being sent to prison.

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

Well, in that case, if you're going to do for one, you do for all!

Prostitutes should be released
Shoplifters should be released
Drug dealers and addicts should be released
Rod Blagojevich shouldn't even be in jail

If prisoners had any sense, they would seek appeals
based on the fact that the U.S. allows the harboring of
illegal immigrants who are breaking the law being here illegally

The law is the law, if we are not going to enforce it for everyone,
then either, take it off the books or start letting prisoners free

There are certainly far too many people incarcerated in the USA.

There are certainly far too many people incarcerated in the USA.

So, which is it...

Too many people break the law
Too many laws mandating what constitutes criminal activity

Far too many prosecutions for minor offences and for stupid laws.

Far too many prosecutions for minor offences and for stupid laws.

So, you think there are too many things
considered to be criminal in nature.

So, what do you feel should be legalized instead of
considered a crime and punishable under the law?

Prostitution
Shoplifting/petty theft
Vandalism
Identity theft
Dealing/buying drugs
Drugs
Bodily harm/injury
Car theft
Bank robbery
Pedophilia
Kiddie porn
Child abuse

What do you think shouldn't be considered a crime and illegal?

 

[Indeependent]

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

Well, in that case, if you're going to do for one, you do for all!

Prostitutes should be released
Shoplifters should be released
Drug dealers and addicts should be released
Rod Blagojevich shouldn't even be in jail

If prisoners had any sense, they would seek appeals
based on the fact that the U.S. allows the harboring of
illegal immigrants who are breaking the law being here illegally

The law is the law, if we are not going to enforce it for everyone,
then either, take it off the books or start letting prisoners free

There are certainly far too many people incarcerated in the USA.

There are certainly far too many people incarcerated in the USA.

So, which is it...

Too many people break the law
Too many laws mandating what constitutes criminal activity

Far too many prosecutions for minor offences and for stupid laws.

Far too many prosecutions for minor offences and for stupid laws.

So, you think there are too many things
considered to be criminal in nature.

So, what do you feel should be legalized instead of
considered a crime and punishable under the law?

Prostitution
Shoplifting/petty theft
Vandalism
Identity theft
Dealing/buying drugs
Drugs
Bodily harm/injury
Car theft
Bank robbery
Pedophilia
Kiddie porn
Child abuse

What do you think shouldn't be considered a crime and illegal?

Eloy lives in Europe...those activities are mandatory.

 

[Eloy]

Yes, it is.

Now i'm confused. That poster said he only had a DUI offense. But then he also referred to old 'cases.' That would be plural. So how many 'cases' are we talking about?

Three old misdemeanors which were dealt with by judges: a DUI, driving without proper papers and buying a car without proper documents, I believe. Not felonies and no one was hurt and for the past twenty years no trouble with the law.

I don't know, doesn't look good for him. I still believe there's more to the story. For them to issue a Deportation Order, they must have seen more. But regardless, if you are an Illegal, i would advise not committing additional crimes. That would only be begging for prison or Deportation.

In American law, there is no such thing as "an illegal" person only an illegal act.

In American law, there is no such thing as "an illegal" person

Liar!!

ICE removes aliens from the U.S. who are subject to a final order of removal issued by an immigration court or following an administrative removability review. ERO facilitates the processing of illegal aliens through the immigration court system and coordinates their departure from the U.S. ERO's robust removal program reduces the number of illegal alien absconders in the U.S. Removal management involves planning and coordinating removals across the country and developing and implementing strategies to support the return of all removable aliens to their country of origin.

Removal

The jargon "illegal alien" is nowhere found in the U.S. immigration laws.
Be careful about calling people names or you will find you are talking to yourself.

 

[Eloy]

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

Well, in that case, if you're going to do for one, you do for all!

Prostitutes should be released
Shoplifters should be released
Drug dealers and addicts should be released
Rod Blagojevich shouldn't even be in jail

If prisoners had any sense, they would seek appeals
based on the fact that the U.S. allows the harboring of
illegal immigrants who are breaking the law being here illegally

The law is the law, if we are not going to enforce it for everyone,
then either, take it off the books or start letting prisoners free

There are certainly far too many people incarcerated in the USA.

There are certainly far too many people incarcerated in the USA.

So, which is it...

Too many people break the law
Too many laws mandating what constitutes criminal activity

Far too many prosecutions for minor offences and for stupid laws.

Far too many prosecutions for minor offences and for stupid laws.

So, you think there are too many things
considered to be criminal in nature.

So, what do you feel should be legalized instead of
considered a crime and punishable under the law?

Prostitution
Shoplifting/petty theft
Vandalism
Identity theft
Dealing/buying drugs
Drugs
Bodily harm/injury
Car theft
Bank robbery
Pedophilia
Kiddie porn
Child abuse

What do you think shouldn't be considered a crime and illegal?

This thread is not about lists of laws. Sorry.

 

[bripat9643]

Hopefully, this outrage results in more illegal immigrants protesting, so the government can detain them easier.

Most Americans must be saddened by what is happening at the instigation of a loco president.

I'm cheering. Every last one of them should go back.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The DUI and a car not properly registered two decades before is far from murder, armed robbery or rape.

Correct. That's why he's being deported and not being sent to prison.

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

He's gonna deport lots of illegal aliens.

The children of many undocumented Mexicans are more solidly American than many I see posting here.

That's awesome!

Are they going to move to Mexico when their illegal alien parents get deported?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The DUI and a car not properly registered two decades before is far from murder, armed robbery or rape.

Correct. That's why he's being deported and not being sent to prison.

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

Well, in that case, if you're going to do for one, you do for all!

Prostitutes should be released
Shoplifters should be released
Drug dealers and addicts should be released
Rod Blagojevich shouldn't even be in jail

If prisoners had any sense, they would seek appeals
based on the fact that the U.S. allows the harboring of
illegal immigrants who are breaking the law being here illegally

The law is the law, if we are not going to enforce it for everyone,
then either, take it off the books or start letting prisoners free

There are certainly far too many people incarcerated in the USA.

This is true because we have a huge drug problem on our hands. Much of those drugs coming from the same place the illegals are.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Now i'm confused. That poster said he only had a DUI offense. But then he also referred to old 'cases.' That would be plural. So how many 'cases' are we talking about?

Three old misdemeanors which were dealt with by judges: a DUI, driving without proper papers and buying a car without proper documents, I believe. Not felonies and no one was hurt and for the past twenty years no trouble with the law.

I don't know, doesn't look good for him. I still believe there's more to the story. For them to issue a Deportation Order, they must have seen more. But regardless, if you are an Illegal, i would advise not committing additional crimes. That would only be begging for prison or Deportation.

In American law, there is no such thing as "an illegal" person only an illegal act.

In American law, there is no such thing as "an illegal" person

Liar!!

ICE removes aliens from the U.S. who are subject to a final order of removal issued by an immigration court or following an administrative removability review. ERO facilitates the processing of illegal aliens through the immigration court system and coordinates their departure from the U.S. ERO's robust removal program reduces the number of illegal alien absconders in the U.S. Removal management involves planning and coordinating removals across the country and developing and implementing strategies to support the return of all removable aliens to their country of origin.

Removal

The jargon "illegal alien" is nowhere found in the U.S. immigration laws.
Be careful about calling people names or you will find you are talking to yourself.

The jargon "illegal alien" is nowhere found in the U.S. immigration laws.

It's on the ICE website.

Be careful about calling people names

Names? I called an illegal alien...an illegal alien.
He was also a criminal. Multiple times.

 

[keepitreal]

There are certainly far too many people incarcerated in the USA.

So, which is it...

Too many people break the law
Too many laws mandating what constitutes criminal activity

Far too many prosecutions for minor offences and for stupid laws.

What do you think shouldn't be considered a crime and illegal?

This thread is not about lists of laws. Sorry.

*****...you engaged me thus far,...
You said...

Far too many prosecutions for minor offences and for stupid laws.

So, I asked...

What do you think shouldn't be considered a crime and illegal?

Answer the ******* question!

 

[Eloy]

The DUI and a car not properly registered two decades before is far from murder, armed robbery or rape.

Correct. That's why he's being deported and not being sent to prison.

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

Well, in that case, if you're going to do for one, you do for all!

Prostitutes should be released
Shoplifters should be released
Drug dealers and addicts should be released
Rod Blagojevich shouldn't even be in jail

If prisoners had any sense, they would seek appeals
based on the fact that the U.S. allows the harboring of
illegal immigrants who are breaking the law being here illegally

The law is the law, if we are not going to enforce it for everyone,
then either, take it off the books or start letting prisoners free

There are certainly far too many people incarcerated in the USA.

This is true because we have a huge drug problem on our hands. Much of those drugs coming from the same place the illegals are.

There are many American customers for all kinds of drugs.

 

[Indeependent]

Correct. That's why he's being deported and not being sent to prison.

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

Well, in that case, if you're going to do for one, you do for all!

Prostitutes should be released
Shoplifters should be released
Drug dealers and addicts should be released
Rod Blagojevich shouldn't even be in jail

If prisoners had any sense, they would seek appeals
based on the fact that the U.S. allows the harboring of
illegal immigrants who are breaking the law being here illegally

The law is the law, if we are not going to enforce it for everyone,
then either, take it off the books or start letting prisoners free

There are certainly far too many people incarcerated in the USA.

This is true because we have a huge drug problem on our hands. Much of those drugs coming from the same place the illegals are.

There are many American customers for all kinds of drugs.

The issue is where the drugs are coming from.
No nation should thrive from illegal drugs.

 

[Eloy]

Three old misdemeanors which were dealt with by judges: a DUI, driving without proper papers and buying a car without proper documents, I believe. Not felonies and no one was hurt and for the past twenty years no trouble with the law.

I don't know, doesn't look good for him. I still believe there's more to the story. For them to issue a Deportation Order, they must have seen more. But regardless, if you are an Illegal, i would advise not committing additional crimes. That would only be begging for prison or Deportation.

In American law, there is no such thing as "an illegal" person only an illegal act.

In American law, there is no such thing as "an illegal" person

Liar!!

ICE removes aliens from the U.S. who are subject to a final order of removal issued by an immigration court or following an administrative removability review. ERO facilitates the processing of illegal aliens through the immigration court system and coordinates their departure from the U.S. ERO's robust removal program reduces the number of illegal alien absconders in the U.S. Removal management involves planning and coordinating removals across the country and developing and implementing strategies to support the return of all removable aliens to their country of origin.

Removal

The jargon "illegal alien" is nowhere found in the U.S. immigration laws.
Be careful about calling people names or you will find you are talking to yourself.

The jargon "illegal alien" is nowhere found in the U.S. immigration laws.

It's on the ICE website.

Be careful about calling people names

Names? I called an illegal alien...an illegal alien.
He was also a criminal. Multiple times.

The ICE website is not law. There is no U.S. law that refers to an illegal alien.
You called me a liar.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Correct. That's why he's being deported and not being sent to prison.

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

Well, in that case, if you're going to do for one, you do for all!

Prostitutes should be released
Shoplifters should be released
Drug dealers and addicts should be released
Rod Blagojevich shouldn't even be in jail

If prisoners had any sense, they would seek appeals
based on the fact that the U.S. allows the harboring of
illegal immigrants who are breaking the law being here illegally

The law is the law, if we are not going to enforce it for everyone,
then either, take it off the books or start letting prisoners free

There are certainly far too many people incarcerated in the USA.

This is true because we have a huge drug problem on our hands. Much of those drugs coming from the same place the illegals are.

There are many American customers for all kinds of drugs.

There are many customers for drugs in any country, but if you don't take proactive stances against the drugs coming in, it creates more customers.

As Trump stated, one of the reasons for the wall is because of the drugs coming in. It's not just for people sneaking in.

In one sense you are correct, our prisons are full of drug offenders, and we need to do something about it. People are dying by the millions because of these drugs. My cousin just lost her 28 year old son a year and a half ago. She and her husband will never be right again.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't know, doesn't look good for him. I still believe there's more to the story. For them to issue a Deportation Order, they must have seen more. But regardless, if you are an Illegal, i would advise not committing additional crimes. That would only be begging for prison or Deportation.

In American law, there is no such thing as "an illegal" person only an illegal act.

In American law, there is no such thing as "an illegal" person

Liar!!

ICE removes aliens from the U.S. who are subject to a final order of removal issued by an immigration court or following an administrative removability review. ERO facilitates the processing of illegal aliens through the immigration court system and coordinates their departure from the U.S. ERO's robust removal program reduces the number of illegal alien absconders in the U.S. Removal management involves planning and coordinating removals across the country and developing and implementing strategies to support the return of all removable aliens to their country of origin.

Removal

The jargon "illegal alien" is nowhere found in the U.S. immigration laws.
Be careful about calling people names or you will find you are talking to yourself.

The jargon "illegal alien" is nowhere found in the U.S. immigration laws.

It's on the ICE website.

Be careful about calling people names

Names? I called an illegal alien...an illegal alien.
He was also a criminal. Multiple times.

The ICE website is not law. There is no U.S. law that refers to an illegal alien.
You called me a liar.

So stop lying.

 

[Eloy]

The DUI and a car not properly registered two decades before is far from murder, armed robbery or rape.

Correct. That's why he's being deported and not being sent to prison.

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

But President Trump assured the American people he want to go after only hardened criminals. He spoke of real bad hombres. I think the President might be a polyglot.

Well, in that case, if you're going to do for one, you do for all!

Prostitutes should be released
Shoplifters should be released
Drug dealers and addicts should be released
Rod Blagojevich shouldn't even be in jail

If prisoners had any sense, they would seek appeals
based on the fact that the U.S. allows the harboring of
illegal immigrants who are breaking the law being here illegally

The law is the law, if we are not going to enforce it for everyone,
then either, take it off the books or start letting prisoners free

There are certainly far too many people incarcerated in the USA.

This is true because we have a huge drug problem on our hands. Much of those drugs coming from the same place the illegals are.

There are no such things as illegals.