Our Universe is too vast for even the most imaginative sci-fi

[yiostheoy]

Exactly. And how it expands the horizons for those of us that remember our first science fiction book, and when the stars became something more than points of light in the sky.

In 1913 modern astrophysicists began to discover what stars really were and what they contained.

In 1945 the first detonation of an A-bomb gave the first clue as to what stars really were.

Now we know. We have known all this all our lifetimes.

There are few people here born before 1945 and none before 1913.

 

[yiostheoy]

It has no answer to this question because even if he would have other universes when the end?
Perhaps infinite nothingness?Like math not start or end.

Well math is just a fun invention based on trite definitions.

0 = nothing

1 = something

1 + 1 = 2 of something

Etc.

Math itself does not really exist.

The Universe outside of the big exploding sphere we live in is simply unknown to us. We cannot see outside of our own bubble.

One thing is certain though -- if there is a God as Philosophy teaches us must be, then this God or these Gods are greater than we ever though.

Or else these Gods unleashed a massive creation machine that got out of their control and now there are other universes exploding everywhere.

I suspect that there are many Gods not just one. And fascinatingly, Moses must have know it too because he gives them a name in Hebrew -- ha Elohim -- The Judges. It is a plural word, although modern Jewish scholarship stumbles over this issue and redefines it as singular so that their notion (probably false) that YHVH is One God alone with no company in the Universe at all can be maintained (probably erroneously).

 

[yiostheoy]

What Erupted From 4D Created Light, Energy, Matter, and Space Itself

What if it has an infinite capacity to create its own space, like man can build a bridge and then drive where it was undriveable before?

Philosophy teaches us that nothing can create itself.

 

[yiostheoy]

Cat itself came into Latin from Egypt, which got it from the nomadic tribes in Algeria.

So cats originally came from western North Africa rather than Anatolia (Turkey) or Egypt ??

Maybe and maybe not.

I am inclined to believe they came from the mountains of Turkey though as long hairs.

Then when they migrated to the deserts they became short hairs.

 

[Dalia]

It has no answer to this question because even if he would have other universes when the end?
Perhaps infinite nothingness?Like math not start or end.

Well math is just a fun invention based on trite definitions.

0 = nothing

1 = something

1 + 1 = 2 of something

Etc.

Math itself does not really exist.

The Universe outside of the big exploding sphere we live in is simply unknown to us. We cannot see outside of our own bubble.

One thing is certain though -- if there is a God as Philosophy teaches us must be, then this God or these Gods are greater than we ever though.

Or else these Gods unleashed a massive creation machine that got out of their control and now there are other universes exploding everywhere.

I suspect that there are many Gods not just one. And fascinatingly, Moses must have know it too because he gives them a name in Hebrew -- ha Elohim -- The Judges. It is a plural word, although modern Jewish scholarship stumbles over this issue and redefines it as singular so that their notion (probably false) that YHVH is One God alone with no company in the Universe at all.

It is true what is on black it is just a word i agree with you but if you compare really the math itself ( put on the side the word) at the universe no start with 0 and 1- ++++ and no end

 

[yiostheoy]

It is true what is on black it is just a word i agree with you but if you compare really the math itself ( put on the side the word) at the universe no start with 0 and 1- ++++ and no end

Yup our radio telescopes tell us that our Universe (the big bubble that we live inside of which contains everything that we can see including all stars and galaxies) started somewhere in some direction with a big explosion and continues in all directions at increasing speeds.

This is only possible according to the laws of physics that we know of if (1) the force at the middle propelling everything outwards is STILL THERE emitting force, and (2) there are no other forces outside of the bubble to STOP it.

That's all that we know about it -- precious little else.

We must learn to live with uncertainty.

 

[Dalia]

It is true what is on black it is just a word i agree with you but if you compare really the math itself ( put on the side the word) at the universe no start with 0 and 1- ++++ and no end

Yup our radio telescopes tell us that our Universe (the big bubble that we live inside of which contains everything that we can see including all stars and galaxies) started somewhere in some direction with a big explosion and continues in all directions at increasing speeds.

This is only possible according to the laws of physics that we know of if (1) the force at the middle propelling everything outwards is STILL THERE emitting force, and (2) there are no other forces outside of the bubble to STOP it.

That's all that we know about it -- precious little else.

We must learn to live with uncertainty.

Okay, as the big bang is also an uncertainty.
What would have caused this explosion coming for nowhere ?

Where is the center of the Universe?

The universe has no center, because it has no edge. In a finite universe, space is curved in such a way that if you could travel billions of light years in a straight line, you would eventually return to your starting point. It is also possible that our universe is infinite. In both cases, groups of galaxies completely fill the universe and move away from each other at all points, following the expansion of the universe

An example of a tiny universe containing only 48 stars. A spaceship traveling among these stars can not find the edge of this universe. If it goes out through one side of the universe, it will reemerge through the other edge. The travelers aboard the ship see an infinity of stars all around them. This universe has neither frontier nor center.
(Where did the Big Bang take place in the Universe?
It is often said that the Big Bang was an explosion in an empty space, and that this explosion developed in this empty space. This is false.

The Big Bang created space and time. At the beginning of the universe, space was completely filled by matter. The material was originally very hot and very dense, it then expanded and cooled to end up giving the stars and galaxies that we see today in the universe.
Although space may have been concentrated at a single point at the time of the Big Bang, it may also have been infinite from the beginning. In both scenarios, space was completely filled by matter at its inception.

There is no center for this expansion, the space 'swells' at all points. An observer in any galaxy sees most of the other galaxies in the universe moving away from him.

The only answer to the question "Where did the Big Bang take place" is thus that it occurred at every point of the universe.

Is the Earth also expanding in the universe?
The Earth is not expanding, nor is the Solar System, nor the Milky Way. These objects were formed under the influence of gravitation and ceased to expand. Gravity also retains the galaxies in groups and clusters. It is mainly groups and clusters of galaxies that move away from each other in the universe.

What is outside the universe?
Space was created by the Big Bang. Our universe has no edge or boundary - there is no 'outside' to our universe (see question 1). It is possible that our universe is only one of an infinity of universes (see question 4), but these universes do not necessarily need a 'space' to exist.

What was there before the Big Bang?

Time was created by the Big Bang - we do not know if it existed before the Big Bang. However, it is very difficult to answer such a question. Some theories suggest that our universe belongs to an infinity of universes (called a 'multiverse') in perpetual creation. This is possible, but extremely difficult to prove.

If the universe is 14 billion years old, how can galaxies be more than 14 billion light years away?
It is probable that our universe is infinite, and filled with matter everywhere since the Big Bang (see question 2). There is also serious evidence that in the early days of the universe, the universe had expanded at a much higher rate than light. It is possible to create such an expansion, in which the particles do not move at high speed but where the space between the particles increases considerably.

We can imagine galaxies as balls laid on a sheet of rubber that represents space. If we stretch the sheet, the balls move away from each other. Two close balls will only move slowly. Very distant balls will appear to leak at high speed. There is no limit to the rate of expansion of space.

Space is the geometry of our universe. Changes in the size or shape of space can occur due to shifts of matter or energy in the universe, or because of changes in the universe's content in terms of matter and energy.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The main premise for me is how science fiction tries to reconcile the universe, space travel, aliens, and so on, into something realistic and believable.

Who knows what future physics we will discover and what advances in tech...What looks impossible now may not be in 200 years. I bet people in 1500 couldn't have imagined the advances in math by 1700 made by Kepler, Newton, etc.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Cat itself came into Latin from Egypt, which got it from the nomadic tribes in Algeria.

So cats originally came from western North Africa rather than Anatolia (Turkey) or Egypt ??

Maybe and maybe not.

I am inclined to believe they came from the mountains of Turkey though as long hairs.

Then when they migrated to the deserts they became short hairs.

Felis Silvestris Catus

I was referring to the word cat, not the species.

 

[Old Rocks]

Exactly. And how it expands the horizons for those of us that remember our first science fiction book, and when the stars became something more than points of light in the sky.

In 1913 modern astrophysicists began to discover what stars really were and what they contained.

In 1945 the first detonation of an A-bomb gave the first clue as to what stars really were.

Now we know. We have known all this all our lifetimes.

There are few people here born before 1945 and none before 1913.

Well, this old boy was born before 1945. And the reference to 'points of light in the sky' was subjective to a 12 year old boy.

 

[Old Rocks]

The main premise for me is how science fiction tries to reconcile the universe, space travel, aliens, and so on, into something realistic and believable.

Who knows what future physics we will discover and what advances in tech...What looks impossible now may not be in 200 years. I bet people in 1500 couldn't have imagined the advances in math by 1700 made by Kepler, Newton, etc.

Don't forget Euler, the greatest of the all.

 

[yiostheoy]

Exactly. And how it expands the horizons for those of us that remember our first science fiction book, and when the stars became something more than points of light in the sky.

In 1913 modern astrophysicists began to discover what stars really were and what they contained.

In 1945 the first detonation of an A-bomb gave the first clue as to what stars really were.

Now we know. We have known all this all our lifetimes.

There are few people here born before 1945 and none before 1913.

Well, this old boy was born before 1945. And the reference to 'points of light in the sky' was subjective to a 12 year old boy.

Maybe your grandfather was lying to you.

By 1913 that ancient idea of "points in the sky" was pretty much debunked already.

 

[yiostheoy]

Cat itself came into Latin from Egypt, which got it from the nomadic tribes in Algeria.

So cats originally came from western North Africa rather than Anatolia (Turkey) or Egypt ??

Maybe and maybe not.

I am inclined to believe they came from the mountains of Turkey though as long hairs.

Then when they migrated to the deserts they became short hairs.

Felis Silvestris Catus

I was referring to the word cat, not the species.

Latin and Germanic both use the same word.

Hard to tell which word came first.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Neil deGrasse Tyson is a smug fucker, I prefer Michio Kaku he gets his point across without sounding like a elitist jackass and as far as the universe being to big for science fiction he needs to read more. I've read some really out there ideas in the genre.

 

[sealybobo]

Our Universe is too vast for even the most imaginative sci-fi | Aeon Ideas

The US astronomer Neil deGrasse Tyson once said: ‘The Universe is under no obligation to make sense to you.’ Similarly, the wonders of the Universe are under no obligation to make it easy for science-fiction writers to tell stories about them. The Universe is mostly empty space, and the distances between stars in galaxies, and between galaxies in the Universe, are incomprehensibly vast on human scales. Capturing the true scale of the Universe, while somehow tying it to human endeavours and emotions, is a daunting challenge for any science-fiction writer. Olaf Stapledon took up that challenge in his novel Star Maker (1937), in which the stars and nebulae, and cosmos as a whole, are conscious. While we are humbled by our tiny size relative to the cosmos, our brains can none the less comprehend, to some extent, just how large the Universe we inhabit is. This is hopeful, since, as the astrobiologist Caleb Scharf of Columbia University has said: ‘In a finite world, a cosmic perspective isn’t a luxury, it is a necessity.’

Conveying this to the public is the real challenge faced by astronomers and science-fiction writers alike.

And besides how far apart each object in the universe is if you take all the grains of sand on every ocean and there are more stars planets and moons in the universe than there are grains of sand. I was on the ft Lauderdale beach when I thought this and that is very hard to believe so then it must be hard to truly grasp.

And to think us, this tiny little animal on one small planet is so smart. How many others are there? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands DS? Millions?

 

[yiostheoy]

The theological question that obviously arises is how many Gods are required to govern all this infinite space?

The obvious answer is an infinity of Gods.

 

[sealybobo]

The theological question that obviously arises is how many Gods are required to govern all this infinite space?

The obvious answer is an infinity of Gods.

A Google of gods.

 

[sealybobo]

Yeah, it is big. Any news?

No because we don't know shit

 

[sealybobo]

"The spacecraft Voyager 1, for example, launched in 1977 and, travelling at 11 miles per second, is now 137 AU from the Sun."

The first thing another planet will see from us is our radio waves or television. So they'll see I Love Lucy, Hitler, charlie Chaplin etc.

 

[sealybobo]

It took generations of workers to build some of the ancient wonders of the world. Distance is only dwarfed by time.

These days, we give up after 10 seconds if something doesn't download to our phone.

They just said today's attention span is something like 9 seconds when it used to be 12.