Osama Again?

[Annie]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060423/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bin_laden_tape

Alleged Osama Tape: West at War With Islam

By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer 16 minutes ago

Osama bin Laden purportedly said in an audio tape broadcast by Al-Jazeera television Sunday that the West's decision to cut off funds to the Palestinians proved that the United States and Europe were at war with Islam. He also said the West was supporting what he called a "Zionist crusader war against Muslims."

"The blockade which the West is imposing on the government of Hamas proves that there is a Zionist crusader war on Islam," the speaker on the tape said.

"I say that this war is the joint responsibility of the people and the governments. While the war continues, the people renew their allegiance to their rulers and politicans and continue to send their sons to our countries to fight us."

The authenticity of the tape could not immediately be verified.

It was the first purported new message from bin Laden since Jan. 19. In that audiotape, he warned that his fighters were preparing new attacks in the United States but offered the American people a "long-term truce" without specifying the conditions.

That tape was posted in full on a Web site a month later and included a vow by the terrorist chieftain never to be captured alive.

 

[Annie]

Check out the end! Just send US the address!


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192729,00.html

Alleged Bin Laden Tape: U.S. at War With Islam

Sunday , April 23, 2006


CAIRO, Egypt — Usama bin Laden issued ominous new threats in an audiotape broadcast Sunday, purportedly saying the West was at war with Islam and calling on his followers to go to Sudan to fight a proposed U.N. force.

In his first new message in three months, bin Laden said the West's decision to cut off funds to the Palestinians because their Hamas leaders refuse to recognize Israel proved that the United States and Europe were conducting "a Zionist crusader war on Islam."

"The blockade which the West is imposing on the government of Hamas proves that there is a Zionist crusader war on Islam," said the speaker on the tape broadcast by the Al-Jazeera network.

"I say that this war is the joint responsibility of the people and the governments. While the war continues, the people renew their allegiance to their rulers and politicians and continue to send their sons to our countries to fight us."

The voice on the tape sounded strong and resembled that on previous recordings attributed to bin Laden. There was no way to independently verify the authenticity of the tape.

Bin Laden also addressed the conflict in Sudan, where he was based before being expelled under threats from the United States. He then moved to Afghanistan and is believed to be hiding out in the rugged mountains on the Pakistani side of their common border.

A three-year conflict between Darfur's rebels and the Arab-dominated central government has caused about 180,000 deaths — most from disease and hunger — and displaced 2 million people.

The United Nations has described the conflict as the world's gravest humanitarian crisis. The United States has described it as genocide.

Negotiators are trying to broker a peace deal between warring factions by an April 30 deadline. Members of the African Union have agreed in principle to hand over peacekeeping duties to the United Nations beginning Sept. 30.

"I call on mujahedeen and their supporters, especially in Sudan and the Arab peninsula, to prepare for long war again the crusader plunderers in Western Sudan. Our goal is not defending the Khartoum government but to defend Islam, its land and its people," bin Laden purportedly said.

"I urge holy warriors to be acquainted with the land and the tribes in Darfur."

Al-Jazeera apparently had the tape long enough to make significant edits, with its news reader providing substantial transition and background comments between excerpts from bin Laden.

It was the first purported new message from bin Laden since Jan. 19. In that audiotape, he warned that his fighters were preparing new attacks in the United States but offered the American people a "long-term truce" without specifying the conditions.

That tape was posted in full on a Web site a month later and included a vow by the terrorist chieftain never to be captured alive.

"I have sworn to only live free. Even if I find bitter the taste of death, I don't want to die humiliated or deceived," bin Laden said in that previous 11-minute, 26-second tape.

In the message broadcast Sunday, bin Laden also called for a global Muslim boycott of American goods similar to the recent boycott of Danish products after the publication there of caricatures of the Muslim Prophet Muhammad.

He also said the artists who drew those offending cartoons should be handed over to him for trial and punishment.

The Al-Jazeera news reader said bin Laden, in a portion of the tape not aired by the Qatar-based broadcaster, scoffed at Saudi King Abdullah for his calls for a "dialogue among civilizations" and blasted liberal-minded Arab writers for taking part in the Western cultural invasion of Muslim lands.

 

[Gunny]

Have to give credit where it is due .... at least Osama is calling a spade a spade, even if he has his own little spin to it.

The West IS at war with radical Islam. Wonder when the West is going to come to grips with it .....

 

[Annie]

Have to give credit where it is due .... at least Osama is calling a spade a spade, even if he has his own little spin to it.

The West IS at war with radical Islam. Wonder when the West is going to come to grips with it .....

Agreed, but the PC police would say he's speaking as a 'radical Islamic'.

 

[Gunny]

Agreed, but the PC police would say he's speaking as a 'radical Islamic'.

LOL, that's what I was implying; however, I think the PC police would take issue with me as a member!

 

[dilloduck]

Agreed, but the PC police would say he's speaking as a 'radical Islamic'.

Openly declaring war against Islam would devestate whatever support for the war on terror is left. And PC police are on both sides of the fence.

 

[Annie]

LOL, that's what I was implying; however, I think the PC police would take issue with me as a member!

and I just keep wondering where these 'non-radicals' are. Oh I've read some very good ones, but I'd have to say they quickly match up with our 'secular Christian elites'. They know their religion, but are mostly lip service about it. It's the vast 'billion or so' of the faithful that scare me.

It seems to me that most Muslims follow the imams, most of whom seem just slightly more educated than their followers.

 

[Gunny]

and I just keep wondering where these 'non-radicals' are. Oh I've read some very good ones, but I'd have to say they quickly match up with our 'secular Christian elites'. They know their religion, but are mostly lip service about it. It's the vast 'billion or so' of the faithful that scare me.

It seems to me that most Muslims follow the imams, most of whom seem just slightly more educated than their followers.

I kind of liken radical Islam to radical Christians who in the name of saving lives will blow up an abortion clinic and kill everyone inside.

When said Christians do something "smart" like that, mainstream Christianity is quick to disassociate itself from them. The same cannot be said for mainstream Islam, and it is "what's missing."

The fact is, most Arabs distrust us more than they are willing to break face with their radical counterparts. There is also the fact that they radical Muslims have no problem whatsoever of murdering their own for speaking against them as quickly as they would murder one of us. Fear is a great motivator.

 

[dilloduck]

and I just keep wondering where these 'non-radicals' are. Oh I've read some very good ones, but I'd have to say they quickly match up with our 'secular Christian elites'. They know their religion, but are mostly lip service about it. It's the vast 'billion or so' of the faithful that scare me.

It seems to me that most Muslims follow the imams, most of whom seem just slightly more educated than their followers.

All I can assume is that the "non-radicals" haven't done anything---yet.

 

[Annie]

All I can assume is that the "non-radicals" haven't done anything---yet.

I'd say quite a few have been active here and there:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

 

[dilloduck]

I'd say quite a few have been active here and there:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

The they get moved into the active list :huh:

 

[Annie]

The they get moved into the active list :huh:

Peaceful they are not.

 

[Gunny]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060423/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bin_laden_tape

My vote is for ASSama, anyway.

 

[Annie]

My vote is for ASSama, anyway.

Well let's just make up that we rounded up some cartoonists, and wish to deliver them?

 

[dilloduck]

and I just keep wondering where these 'non-radicals' are. Oh I've read some very good ones, but I'd have to say they quickly match up with our 'secular Christian elites'. They know their religion, but are mostly lip service about it. It's the vast 'billion or so' of the faithful that scare me.

It seems to me that most Muslims follow the imams, most of whom seem just slightly more educated than their followers.

well damn---let me see if I can say it right for you THIS time

IF there are any "non-radicals" they just haven't acted on thier radicalism yet .