Only 6 days left, here is where Trump stands in the race:

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Show me details of the persons polled. Thanks. HRC was a 6.5 point favorite in Wisconsin. How did that workout
That's not a poll, dipshit. It's the current gambling odds in Vegas - people putting their money where their mouth is.
I get it. But its just a guessing game...show the same gambling odds for this day in 2016.
2016 the odds favored hillary. She won total votes, and all - but failed in the electoral college. Pollsters have updated their methodology, studied the errors, looked back and found that district polls showed trouble for hillary and now - -

they nailed 2018 to within 1 percentage point (except for rasmussen who was off by 9)

district polls have been monitored...

You can be obtuse and boisterous and arrogant all you'd like about 2016 being incorrect - but to fail to follow up and determine why...study what, if anything, they've done to account for the errors...and determined THEN, after STUDY if you feel they're reliable this time...then that's just your cultish mind at work. An information bubble. Safe space. Orange man god. Biden the debbow.
Calling land lines in slums...very state of the art.
Accurate to within 1% point in 2018 Mid-term races is better than your facebook cult, Cultist.

But then...Trump said Republicans were going to sweep in 2018, so maybe that actually happened and nobody told us!
I suggest you join a group somewhere and meet real people.
When I meet real people, it's not on facebook, Hermit.

Anyhoo - more datadatadata

Congrats....our country will be screwed. Checks and balances are important.

I did quite fine under all administrations in my lifetime. Save for the Bush crash, felt that one. Other than that I appreciate your concern
So long as we have checks and balances we will be fine. A blue Congress and Executive Branch would be terrible as many in the Democratic party as you know now lean very far left. Socialism is not a good idea by any means.
I'm sorry..I saw republicans subvert the law in order to let trump skate. I saw every minute of every hearing. So...spare me all that sky is falling bullshit when trump has lock them up rallies...which is as demented as is gets.
How did they "subvert the law"? Dreaming again?
They allowed key witnesses to be blocked from having to be deposed under Executive Privelege...They sat and witnessed hours-long testimony from Ukrainian diplomats which detailed and elucidated Don's scheme...They obfuscated over the word "Collusion" when Meuller advised them, school them really, that Collusion isn't even a Legal term and that's not what they were looking for, but instead, they established (and it's documented in the Report, read it) evidence of a conspiracy...indicted the folks they could, were blocked testimony from the folks that would pin the tail on the Donkey, and in 11 different instances the investigation was Obstructed, which he elucidated was passed to Congress to decide on because traditionally, the DOJ does not Indict a sitting president.

Then Barr got ahead of the release, said it exonerates Trump, the right wing media exacerbated the "russia hoax" talking point...Meuller publicly stated Barr misrepresented the report, and the rest was History.

In both chains of hearings, the republicans obfuscated while in the dark admitting Trump was clearly guilty.

None of that is to convince you...you just read the report and decide for yourself as I understand the "strong" it was a hoax narrative has been deeply engrained into the partisan cult psyche.
???? Transcript of the call was released ???? with Ukraine and the Independent counsel for the Russia investigation stated there was no conspiracy.
What the fuck are you talking about? There wasn't one call - this was a months long push - apparently you didn't watch the hearings. Shocker!

Meuller's report did NOT say there was no conspiracy, they stopped short of saying that and he testified that the reason why was the obstruction. They merely said they couldnt LEGALLY establish one, and elaborated as to why. Another set of hearings you magically missed, 400pg report you failed to read...because orange dufus screamed fake news.
 

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Show me details of the persons polled. Thanks. HRC was a 6.5 point favorite in Wisconsin. How did that workout
That's not a poll, dipshit. It's the current gambling odds in Vegas - people putting their money where their mouth is.
I get it. But its just a guessing game...show the same gambling odds for this day in 2016.
2016 the odds favored hillary. She won total votes, and all - but failed in the electoral college. Pollsters have updated their methodology, studied the errors, looked back and found that district polls showed trouble for hillary and now - -

they nailed 2018 to within 1 percentage point (except for rasmussen who was off by 9)

district polls have been monitored...

You can be obtuse and boisterous and arrogant all you'd like about 2016 being incorrect - but to fail to follow up and determine why...study what, if anything, they've done to account for the errors...and determined THEN, after STUDY if you feel they're reliable this time...then that's just your cultish mind at work. An information bubble. Safe space. Orange man god. Biden the debbow.
Calling land lines in slums...very state of the art.
Accurate to within 1% point in 2018 Mid-term races is better than your facebook cult, Cultist.

But then...Trump said Republicans were going to sweep in 2018, so maybe that actually happened and nobody told us!
I suggest you join a group somewhere and meet real people.
When I meet real people, it's not on facebook, Hermit.

Anyhoo - more datadatadata

Congrats....our country will be screwed. Checks and balances are important.

I did quite fine under all administrations in my lifetime. Save for the Bush crash, felt that one. Other than that I appreciate your concern
So long as we have checks and balances we will be fine. A blue Congress and Executive Branch would be terrible as many in the Democratic party as you know now lean very far left. Socialism is not a good idea by any means.
I'm sorry..I saw republicans subvert the law in order to let trump skate. I saw every minute of every hearing. So...spare me all that sky is falling bullshit when trump has lock them up rallies...which is as demented as is gets.
How did they "subvert the law"? Dreaming again?
They allowed key witnesses to be blocked from having to be deposed under Executive Privelege...They sat and witnessed hours-long testimony from Ukrainian diplomats which detailed and elucidated Don's scheme...They obfuscated over the word "Collusion" when Meuller advised them, school them really, that Collusion isn't even a Legal term and that's not what they were looking for, but instead, they established (and it's documented in the Report, read it) evidence of a conspiracy...indicted the folks they could, were blocked testimony from the folks that would pin the tail on the Donkey, and in 11 different instances the investigation was Obstructed, which he elucidated was passed to Congress to decide on because traditionally, the DOJ does not Indict a sitting president.

Then Barr got ahead of the release, said it exonerates Trump, the right wing media exacerbated the "russia hoax" talking point...Meuller publicly stated Barr misrepresented the report, and the rest was History.

In both chains of hearings, the republicans obfuscated while in the dark admitting Trump was clearly guilty.

None of that is to convince you...you just read the report and decide for yourself as I understand the "strong" it was a hoax narrative has been deeply engrained into the partisan cult psyche.
Why do you lie? Executive priveledge is NOT illegal and you cannot cite a relevant example, fuckstick! If Mueller passed it to Congress, why wasn't Trump impeached for any of those reasons? Mueller is as senile, if not more, that Joe Hid'en Biden! He couldn't ever reember what was in his own fucking report!

You really are a dumbass of the highest order, who merely repeats lies spoken by proven liars. What the fuck is wrong with you?
 

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Show me details of the persons polled. Thanks. HRC was a 6.5 point favorite in Wisconsin. How did that workout
That's not a poll, dipshit. It's the current gambling odds in Vegas - people putting their money where their mouth is.
I get it. But its just a guessing game...show the same gambling odds for this day in 2016.
2016 the odds favored hillary. She won total votes, and all - but failed in the electoral college. Pollsters have updated their methodology, studied the errors, looked back and found that district polls showed trouble for hillary and now - -

they nailed 2018 to within 1 percentage point (except for rasmussen who was off by 9)

district polls have been monitored...

You can be obtuse and boisterous and arrogant all you'd like about 2016 being incorrect - but to fail to follow up and determine why...study what, if anything, they've done to account for the errors...and determined THEN, after STUDY if you feel they're reliable this time...then that's just your cultish mind at work. An information bubble. Safe space. Orange man god. Biden the debbow.
Calling land lines in slums...very state of the art.
Accurate to within 1% point in 2018 Mid-term races is better than your facebook cult, Cultist.

But then...Trump said Republicans were going to sweep in 2018, so maybe that actually happened and nobody told us!
I suggest you join a group somewhere and meet real people.
When I meet real people, it's not on facebook, Hermit.

Anyhoo - more datadatadata

Congrats....our country will be screwed. Checks and balances are important.

I did quite fine under all administrations in my lifetime. Save for the Bush crash, felt that one. Other than that I appreciate your concern
So long as we have checks and balances we will be fine. A blue Congress and Executive Branch would be terrible as many in the Democratic party as you know now lean very far left. Socialism is not a good idea by any means.
I'm sorry..I saw republicans subvert the law in order to let trump skate. I saw every minute of every hearing. So...spare me all that sky is falling bullshit when trump has lock them up rallies...which is as demented as is gets.
How did they "subvert the law"? Dreaming again?
They allowed key witnesses to be blocked from having to be deposed under Executive Privelege...They sat and witnessed hours-long testimony from Ukrainian diplomats which detailed and elucidated Don's scheme...They obfuscated over the word "Collusion" when Meuller advised them, school them really, that Collusion isn't even a Legal term and that's not what they were looking for, but instead, they established (and it's documented in the Report, read it) evidence of a conspiracy...indicted the folks they could, were blocked testimony from the folks that would pin the tail on the Donkey, and in 11 different instances the investigation was Obstructed, which he elucidated was passed to Congress to decide on because traditionally, the DOJ does not Indict a sitting president.

Then Barr got ahead of the release, said it exonerates Trump, the right wing media exacerbated the "russia hoax" talking point...Meuller publicly stated Barr misrepresented the report, and the rest was History.

In both chains of hearings, the republicans obfuscated while in the dark admitting Trump was clearly guilty.

None of that is to convince you...you just read the report and decide for yourself as I understand the "strong" it was a hoax narrative has been deeply engrained into the partisan cult psyche.
Why do you lie? Executibe priveledge is NOt illegal and you cannot cite a relevant example, fuckstick! If Mueller passed it to Congress, why wasn't Trump impeached for any of those reasons? Mueller is as senile, if not ore, that Joe Hid'en Biden! He couldn't ever reember what was in his own fucking report!

You really are a dumbass of the highest order, who merely repeats lies spoken by proven liars. What the fuck is wrong with you?
That was barely english...I'm here to oblige any conversation, not your batshit emotional temper tantrums.
 

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Show me details of the persons polled. Thanks. HRC was a 6.5 point favorite in Wisconsin. How did that workout
That's not a poll, dipshit. It's the current gambling odds in Vegas - people putting their money where their mouth is.
I get it. But its just a guessing game...show the same gambling odds for this day in 2016.
2016 the odds favored hillary. She won total votes, and all - but failed in the electoral college. Pollsters have updated their methodology, studied the errors, looked back and found that district polls showed trouble for hillary and now - -

they nailed 2018 to within 1 percentage point (except for rasmussen who was off by 9)

district polls have been monitored...

You can be obtuse and boisterous and arrogant all you'd like about 2016 being incorrect - but to fail to follow up and determine why...study what, if anything, they've done to account for the errors...and determined THEN, after STUDY if you feel they're reliable this time...then that's just your cultish mind at work. An information bubble. Safe space. Orange man god. Biden the debbow.
Calling land lines in slums...very state of the art.
Accurate to within 1% point in 2018 Mid-term races is better than your facebook cult, Cultist.

But then...Trump said Republicans were going to sweep in 2018, so maybe that actually happened and nobody told us!
I suggest you join a group somewhere and meet real people.
When I meet real people, it's not on facebook, Hermit.

Anyhoo - more datadatadata

Congrats....our country will be screwed. Checks and balances are important.

I did quite fine under all administrations in my lifetime. Save for the Bush crash, felt that one. Other than that I appreciate your concern
So long as we have checks and balances we will be fine. A blue Congress and Executive Branch would be terrible as many in the Democratic party as you know now lean very far left. Socialism is not a good idea by any means.
I'm sorry..I saw republicans subvert the law in order to let trump skate. I saw every minute of every hearing. So...spare me all that sky is falling bullshit when trump has lock them up rallies...which is as demented as is gets.
How did they "subvert the law"? Dreaming again?
They allowed key witnesses to be blocked from having to be deposed under Executive Privelege...They sat and witnessed hours-long testimony from Ukrainian diplomats which detailed and elucidated Don's scheme...They obfuscated over the word "Collusion" when Meuller advised them, school them really, that Collusion isn't even a Legal term and that's not what they were looking for, but instead, they established (and it's documented in the Report, read it) evidence of a conspiracy...indicted the folks they could, were blocked testimony from the folks that would pin the tail on the Donkey, and in 11 different instances the investigation was Obstructed, which he elucidated was passed to Congress to decide on because traditionally, the DOJ does not Indict a sitting president.

Then Barr got ahead of the release, said it exonerates Trump, the right wing media exacerbated the "russia hoax" talking point...Meuller publicly stated Barr misrepresented the report, and the rest was History.

In both chains of hearings, the republicans obfuscated while in the dark admitting Trump was clearly guilty.

None of that is to convince you...you just read the report and decide for yourself as I understand the "strong" it was a hoax narrative has been deeply engrained into the partisan cult psyche.
Why do you lie? Executibe priveledge is NOt illegal and you cannot cite a relevant example, fuckstick! If Mueller passed it to Congress, why wasn't Trump impeached for any of those reasons? Mueller is as senile, if not ore, that Joe Hid'en Biden! He couldn't ever reember what was in his own fucking report!

You really are a dumbass of the highest order, who merely repeats lies spoken by proven liars. What the fuck is wrong with you?
That was barely english...I'm here to oblige any conversation, not your batshit emotional temper tantrums.
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! The only thing G.T about you is "Grand Theft" of your IQ by a libtard.
 
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Anyone else feel that they are in the movie Groundhog Day?
Trump has no chance. Clinton 91%.
Clinton is picking out drapes for the White House.

Polls are so heavily weighted they are useless except as propaganda.
we have those that have the magic formulas that tell everyone that Biden will win, Trump is also going to win.

While it all comes down to the vote. Do you want jobs, and a life or do you want Harris and a failed economy.
Trump is Herbert Hoover at this point. The country just had its worst economic contraction in the 2nd quarter of this year in its 250 year history! A nearly 32% contraction in the 2nd quarter.
All thanks to democrat vermin like you.
If Trump had protected the citizens of this country like Taiwan did for its citizens, there would not have had to have been a shut down. In Taiwan, a country of 25 million people, only 7 people have died from the pandemic and most things are open. Taiwan closed itself off to the world on January 20, 2020, which is what Trump should have done, but failed to do.
You choose the single country on earth that actually defends itself against China. They have ZERO trust, unlike the patsies who pretend to be "leaders" today. They probably didn't have more than a handful of Communist filth coming into their nation, unlike Italy, France, the weak UK.

Compare U.S stats to Europe. They also have more than 250,000 deaths and the numbers of infected are through the roof. Let's not look at that though, let's allow whoever sent the virus to America to be used as an excuse to misrepresent Americas handling.

Here is what I know. CIA and FBI better have a clue, because if Biden wins, Russia, Chinese and Iranian expansion is in the cards. Good luck trying to defend America under such circumstances when your so-called "allies" are well compromised. To the point Mi6 is too stupid to advise on sending Ukraine weapons and Germany is building an oil pipeline directly from Russia.

I stand by my position, possibly at my own risk (not that I haven't been abused for decades anyways). If I am right, this is the worlds Churchill vs. Chamberlain moment. I have little doubt that there will be FAR fewer in the West even willing to fight for western values even if the Chicken Hawks order it. What will be left after the economy is stolen and allies like H.K, Taiwan and Japan are under constant threat?

Here is all the world needs to know. If we asked President Xi who he wants to win, who do you think it is? Imagine we asked the same of the Russians during the Cold War. Would Americans vote for the leader Russia wanted?
TRUMP is a essentially Russian plant in the White House. He is subservient to Putin and that has harmed the United States for the past four years. Its time the United States took the White House back from Russia.

If Trump cared about China, he would have stayed in the Trans-pacific partnership trade agreement. By getting out of that, he allows China more influence in that trade group and to dominate markets that the United States no longer has the same level of access now. TRUMP is a guy who wanted to withdraw U.S. troops from South Korea and Japan, a major benefit to Chinese expansion in East Asia. TRUMP's isolationist policies are hurting the United States and benefiting RUSSIA AND CHINA!

Finally, lets not forget that TRUMP was impeached for blackmailing Ukraine with arm sales unless Ukraine intervened in the U.S. 2020 election. To do that to ally like Ukraine while their fighting an adversary like Russia is TREASON. Its also TREASON to enlist foreign help to improve your chances in a U.S. election!
Another Russian conspiracy theorist. It is getting old. You're a paid Democrat poster. It is obvious.
I'm a registered Republican that voted straight Democrat in Pennsylvania a week ago!
I frankly do not believe you as you support universal healthcare. But you can keep lying to make yourself feel better. What sucks is that you're in a swing state and your mindless vote actually counts. Do me a favor and be honest. Lying makes you boring.
You don't have to be a Democrat to support Universal Health Care. Nixon supported Universal Health Care. The majority of conservatives in every First World Country with the exception of the United States support Universal Health Care.
Name one Republican who currently supports UH. Are you pro choice or pro life?
PRO-LIFE. But that is only one issue. I could never support Donald Trump who is essentially a Russian Agent, a traitor to his country, and guilty of Treason. There is only One Reagan Republican left in congress and that is MITT ROMNEY! I will NEVER vote for any Republican who was against impeaching and removing Trump from office.

I would consider voting for John Kasich in 2024. Other good Republican candidates would be Robert Gates, Condoleezza Rice, and Colin Powell. Unfortunately the three of them are unlikely to run for office.
So would you vote for a Nikki Haley/John James ticket. Mitt Romney had his chance and lost. I know him well enough based on where I live.
Nikki Haley is a Trump supporter, so no, I would not vote for her.
 
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REAL CLEAR POLITICS average of the polls 10/28/2020, 6 days before Election:

NATIONAL RACE, popular vote:
BIDEN: 50.6% (+7.1% over Trump)
TRUMP: 43.5%


WISCONSIN:
BIDEN: 51.2% (+7.8% over Trump)
TRUMP: 43.4%

MICHIGAN:
BIDEN: 50.6% (+8.7% over Trump)
TRUMP: 41.9%

PENNSYLVANIA:
BIDEN: 49.6% (+3.8% over Trump)
TRUMP: 45.8%

NEVADA:
BIDEN: 48.3% (+4.6% over Trump)
TRUMP: 43.7%

ARIZONA:
BIDEN: 48.6% (+2.4% over Trump)
TRUMP: 46.2%




WHERE THE 2016 RACE WAS AT THIS POINT, 6 DAYS BEFORE ELECTION:

NATIONAL RACE, popular vote:

CLINTON: +1.9% over Trump

WISCONSIN:
CLINTON: 46.7% (+5.4% over Trump)
TRUMP: 41.3%

MICHIGAN:
CLINTON: 46.0% (+5.7% over Trump)
TRUMP: 40.3%

PENNSYLVANIA:
CLINTON: 47.3% (+4.9% over Trump)
TRUMP: 42.4%

NEVADA:
TRUMP: 45.6% (+1.6% over Clinton)
CLINTON: 44.0%

ARIZONA:
TRUMP: 46.5% (+3.0% over Clinton)
CLINTON: 43.5%



As you can see in the national race, and these five most important state races, BIDEN his heavily outperforming Clinton in 2016 vs Trump, with the exception of Pennsylvania.
/-----/ Averaging out polls is misleading, since the polls aren't conducted the same way. One bad poll will either move the average up or down.
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True, but RCP showed it was actually very accurate with the method in 2016. RCP correctly predicted the winner in 46 out of 50 states. RCP also correctly predicted the winner of the popular vote in 2016 and was very close to predicting Hillary Clinton's exact margin of victory over Trump in the popular vote.
 

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REAL CLEAR POLITICS average of the polls 10/28/2020, 6 days before Election:

NATIONAL RACE, popular vote:
BIDEN: 50.6% (+7.1% over Trump)
TRUMP: 43.5%


WISCONSIN:
BIDEN: 51.2% (+7.8% over Trump)
TRUMP: 43.4%

MICHIGAN:
BIDEN: 50.6% (+8.7% over Trump)
TRUMP: 41.9%

PENNSYLVANIA:
BIDEN: 49.6% (+3.8% over Trump)
TRUMP: 45.8%

NEVADA:
BIDEN: 48.3% (+4.6% over Trump)
TRUMP: 43.7%

ARIZONA:
BIDEN: 48.6% (+2.4% over Trump)
TRUMP: 46.2%




WHERE THE 2016 RACE WAS AT THIS POINT, 6 DAYS BEFORE ELECTION:

NATIONAL RACE, popular vote:

CLINTON: +1.9% over Trump

WISCONSIN:
CLINTON: 46.7% (+5.4% over Trump)
TRUMP: 41.3%

MICHIGAN:
CLINTON: 46.0% (+5.7% over Trump)
TRUMP: 40.3%

PENNSYLVANIA:
CLINTON: 47.3% (+4.9% over Trump)
TRUMP: 42.4%

NEVADA:
TRUMP: 45.6% (+1.6% over Clinton)
CLINTON: 44.0%

ARIZONA:
TRUMP: 46.5% (+3.0% over Clinton)
CLINTON: 43.5%



As you can see in the national race, and these five most important state races, BIDEN his heavily outperforming Clinton in 2016 vs Trump, with the exception of Pennsylvania.
/-----/ Averaging out polls is misleading, since the polls aren't conducted the same way. One bad poll will either move the average up or down.
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True, but RCP showed it was actually very accurate with the method in 2016. RCP correctly predicted the winner in 46 out of 50 states. RCP also correctly predicted the winner of the popular vote in 2016 and was very close to predicting Hillary Clinton's exact margin of victory over Trump in the popular vote.
So they STILL got it wrong!
 
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REAL CLEAR POLITICS average of the polls 10/29/2020, 5 days before Election:

NATIONAL RACE, popular vote:
BIDEN: 51.3% (+7.7% over Trump)
TRUMP: 43.6%


WISCONSIN:
BIDEN: 50.3% (+6.4% over Trump)
TRUMP: 43.9%

MICHIGAN:
BIDEN: 50.6% (+8.2% over Trump)
TRUMP: 42.4%

PENNSYLVANIA:
BIDEN: 49.8% (+4.3% over Trump)
TRUMP: 45.5%

NEVADA:
BIDEN: 48.3% (+4.6% over Trump)
TRUMP: 43.7%

ARIZONA:
BIDEN: 47.0% (TIE)
TRUMP: 47.0%




WHERE THE 2016 RACE WAS AT THIS POINT, 5 DAYS BEFORE ELECTION:

NATIONAL RACE, popular vote:

CLINTON: +2.0% over Trump

WISCONSIN:
CLINTON: 46.7% (+5.4% over Trump)
TRUMP: 41.3%

MICHIGAN:
CLINTON: 46.0% (+5.7% over Trump)
TRUMP: 40.3%

PENNSYLVANIA:
CLINTON: 46.8% (+3.0% over Trump)
TRUMP: 43.8%

NEVADA:
TRUMP: 46.0% (+2.0% over Clinton)
CLINTON: 44.0%

ARIZONA:
TRUMP: 46.3% (+4.0% over Clinton)
CLINTON: 42.3%


Now with only 5 days to go, BIDEN continues to out perform Clinton's margins in the polls in 2016 in 5 key swing states and the national polls. At this time in 2016, the race between Clinton and Trump was becoming TIGHTER each day. With BIDEN in 2020 at this time, BIDEN is holding or expanding his huge lead in several states and nationally!
 
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REAL CLEAR POLITICS average of the polls 10/28/2020, 6 days before Election:

NATIONAL RACE, popular vote:
BIDEN: 50.6% (+7.1% over Trump)
TRUMP: 43.5%


WISCONSIN:
BIDEN: 51.2% (+7.8% over Trump)
TRUMP: 43.4%

MICHIGAN:
BIDEN: 50.6% (+8.7% over Trump)
TRUMP: 41.9%

PENNSYLVANIA:
BIDEN: 49.6% (+3.8% over Trump)
TRUMP: 45.8%

NEVADA:
BIDEN: 48.3% (+4.6% over Trump)
TRUMP: 43.7%

ARIZONA:
BIDEN: 48.6% (+2.4% over Trump)
TRUMP: 46.2%




WHERE THE 2016 RACE WAS AT THIS POINT, 6 DAYS BEFORE ELECTION:

NATIONAL RACE, popular vote:

CLINTON: +1.9% over Trump

WISCONSIN:
CLINTON: 46.7% (+5.4% over Trump)
TRUMP: 41.3%

MICHIGAN:
CLINTON: 46.0% (+5.7% over Trump)
TRUMP: 40.3%

PENNSYLVANIA:
CLINTON: 47.3% (+4.9% over Trump)
TRUMP: 42.4%

NEVADA:
TRUMP: 45.6% (+1.6% over Clinton)
CLINTON: 44.0%

ARIZONA:
TRUMP: 46.5% (+3.0% over Clinton)
CLINTON: 43.5%



As you can see in the national race, and these five most important state races, BIDEN his heavily outperforming Clinton in 2016 vs Trump, with the exception of Pennsylvania.
/-----/ Averaging out polls is misleading, since the polls aren't conducted the same way. One bad poll will either move the average up or down.
View attachment 408281
True, but RCP showed it was actually very accurate with the method in 2016. RCP correctly predicted the winner in 46 out of 50 states. RCP also correctly predicted the winner of the popular vote in 2016 and was very close to predicting Hillary Clinton's exact margin of victory over Trump in the popular vote.
So they STILL got it wrong!
They predicted Trump win would NEVADA. They were wrong and Clinton won Nevada. But their final prediction was a margin of LESS than 3% which is within the margin of error meaning the less report really had NEVADA predicted as a TOSSUP.

Last reports on Michigan and Pennsylvania were also within the Margin of error meaning they were TOSSUP's as well.

The only state the RCP really got wrong was Wisconsin.
 

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Show me details of the persons polled. Thanks. HRC was a 6.5 point favorite in Wisconsin. How did that workout
That's not a poll, dipshit. It's the current gambling odds in Vegas - people putting their money where their mouth is.
I get it. But its just a guessing game...show the same gambling odds for this day in 2016.
2016 the odds favored hillary. She won total votes, and all - but failed in the electoral college. Pollsters have updated their methodology, studied the errors, looked back and found that district polls showed trouble for hillary and now - -

they nailed 2018 to within 1 percentage point (except for rasmussen who was off by 9)

district polls have been monitored...

You can be obtuse and boisterous and arrogant all you'd like about 2016 being incorrect - but to fail to follow up and determine why...study what, if anything, they've done to account for the errors...and determined THEN, after STUDY if you feel they're reliable this time...then that's just your cultish mind at work. An information bubble. Safe space. Orange man god. Biden the debbow.
Calling land lines in slums...very state of the art.
Accurate to within 1% point in 2018 Mid-term races is better than your facebook cult, Cultist.

But then...Trump said Republicans were going to sweep in 2018, so maybe that actually happened and nobody told us!
I suggest you join a group somewhere and meet real people.
When I meet real people, it's not on facebook, Hermit.

Anyhoo - more datadatadata

Congrats....our country will be screwed. Checks and balances are important.

I did quite fine under all administrations in my lifetime. Save for the Bush crash, felt that one. Other than that I appreciate your concern
So long as we have checks and balances we will be fine. A blue Congress and Executive Branch would be terrible as many in the Democratic party as you know now lean very far left. Socialism is not a good idea by any means.
I'm sorry..I saw republicans subvert the law in order to let trump skate. I saw every minute of every hearing. So...spare me all that sky is falling bullshit when trump has lock them up rallies...which is as demented as is gets.
How did they "subvert the law"? Dreaming again?
They allowed key witnesses to be blocked from having to be deposed under Executive Privelege...They sat and witnessed hours-long testimony from Ukrainian diplomats which detailed and elucidated Don's scheme...They obfuscated over the word "Collusion" when Meuller advised them, school them really, that Collusion isn't even a Legal term and that's not what they were looking for, but instead, they established (and it's documented in the Report, read it) evidence of a conspiracy...indicted the folks they could, were blocked testimony from the folks that would pin the tail on the Donkey, and in 11 different instances the investigation was Obstructed, which he elucidated was passed to Congress to decide on because traditionally, the DOJ does not Indict a sitting president.

Then Barr got ahead of the release, said it exonerates Trump, the right wing media exacerbated the "russia hoax" talking point...Meuller publicly stated Barr misrepresented the report, and the rest was History.

In both chains of hearings, the republicans obfuscated while in the dark admitting Trump was clearly guilty.

None of that is to convince you...you just read the report and decide for yourself as I understand the "strong" it was a hoax narrative has been deeply engrained into the partisan cult psyche.
???? Transcript of the call was released ???? with Ukraine and the Independent counsel for the Russia investigation stated there was no conspiracy.
What the fuck are you talking about? There wasn't one call - this was a months long push - apparently you didn't watch the hearings. Shocker!

Meuller's report did NOT say there was no conspiracy, they stopped short of saying that and he testified that the reason why was the obstruction. They merely said they couldnt LEGALLY establish one, and elaborated as to why. Another set of hearings you magically missed, 400pg report you failed to read...because orange dufus screamed fake news.
You’re deranged. NVM. Carry on
 

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Anyone else feel that they are in the movie Groundhog Day?
Trump has no chance. Clinton 91%.
Clinton is picking out drapes for the White House.

Polls are so heavily weighted they are useless except as propaganda.
we have those that have the magic formulas that tell everyone that Biden will win, Trump is also going to win.

While it all comes down to the vote. Do you want jobs, and a life or do you want Harris and a failed economy.
Trump is Herbert Hoover at this point. The country just had its worst economic contraction in the 2nd quarter of this year in its 250 year history! A nearly 32% contraction in the 2nd quarter.
All thanks to democrat vermin like you.
If Trump had protected the citizens of this country like Taiwan did for its citizens, there would not have had to have been a shut down. In Taiwan, a country of 25 million people, only 7 people have died from the pandemic and most things are open. Taiwan closed itself off to the world on January 20, 2020, which is what Trump should have done, but failed to do.
You choose the single country on earth that actually defends itself against China. They have ZERO trust, unlike the patsies who pretend to be "leaders" today. They probably didn't have more than a handful of Communist filth coming into their nation, unlike Italy, France, the weak UK.

Compare U.S stats to Europe. They also have more than 250,000 deaths and the numbers of infected are through the roof. Let's not look at that though, let's allow whoever sent the virus to America to be used as an excuse to misrepresent Americas handling.

Here is what I know. CIA and FBI better have a clue, because if Biden wins, Russia, Chinese and Iranian expansion is in the cards. Good luck trying to defend America under such circumstances when your so-called "allies" are well compromised. To the point Mi6 is too stupid to advise on sending Ukraine weapons and Germany is building an oil pipeline directly from Russia.

I stand by my position, possibly at my own risk (not that I haven't been abused for decades anyways). If I am right, this is the worlds Churchill vs. Chamberlain moment. I have little doubt that there will be FAR fewer in the West even willing to fight for western values even if the Chicken Hawks order it. What will be left after the economy is stolen and allies like H.K, Taiwan and Japan are under constant threat?

Here is all the world needs to know. If we asked President Xi who he wants to win, who do you think it is? Imagine we asked the same of the Russians during the Cold War. Would Americans vote for the leader Russia wanted?
TRUMP is a essentially Russian plant in the White House. He is subservient to Putin and that has harmed the United States for the past four years. Its time the United States took the White House back from Russia.

If Trump cared about China, he would have stayed in the Trans-pacific partnership trade agreement. By getting out of that, he allows China more influence in that trade group and to dominate markets that the United States no longer has the same level of access now. TRUMP is a guy who wanted to withdraw U.S. troops from South Korea and Japan, a major benefit to Chinese expansion in East Asia. TRUMP's isolationist policies are hurting the United States and benefiting RUSSIA AND CHINA!

Finally, lets not forget that TRUMP was impeached for blackmailing Ukraine with arm sales unless Ukraine intervened in the U.S. 2020 election. To do that to ally like Ukraine while their fighting an adversary like Russia is TREASON. Its also TREASON to enlist foreign help to improve your chances in a U.S. election!
Another Russian conspiracy theorist. It is getting old. You're a paid Democrat poster. It is obvious.
I'm a registered Republican that voted straight Democrat in Pennsylvania a week ago!
I frankly do not believe you as you support universal healthcare. But you can keep lying to make yourself feel better. What sucks is that you're in a swing state and your mindless vote actually counts. Do me a favor and be honest. Lying makes you boring.
You don't have to be a Democrat to support Universal Health Care. Nixon supported Universal Health Care. The majority of conservatives in every First World Country with the exception of the United States support Universal Health Care.
Name one Republican who currently supports UH. Are you pro choice or pro life?
PRO-LIFE. But that is only one issue. I could never support Donald Trump who is essentially a Russian Agent, a traitor to his country, and guilty of Treason. There is only One Reagan Republican left in congress and that is MITT ROMNEY! I will NEVER vote for any Republican who was against impeaching and removing Trump from office.

I would consider voting for John Kasich in 2024. Other good Republican candidates would be Robert Gates, Condoleezza Rice, and Colin Powell. Unfortunately the three of them are unlikely to run for office.
So would you vote for a Nikki Haley/John James ticket. Mitt Romney had his chance and lost. I know him well enough based on where I live.
Nikki Haley is a Trump supporter, so no, I would not vote for her.
You’re not so bright.
Nikki wanted Rubio or Cruz, not Trump.
She’s a cheap, slave labor lover just like you.
 

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Anyone else feel that they are in the movie Groundhog Day?
Trump has no chance. Clinton 91%.
Clinton is picking out drapes for the White House.

Polls are so heavily weighted they are useless except as propaganda.
we have those that have the magic formulas that tell everyone that Biden will win, Trump is also going to win.

While it all comes down to the vote. Do you want jobs, and a life or do you want Harris and a failed economy.
Trump is Herbert Hoover at this point. The country just had its worst economic contraction in the 2nd quarter of this year in its 250 year history! A nearly 32% contraction in the 2nd quarter.
All thanks to democrat vermin like you.
If Trump had protected the citizens of this country like Taiwan did for its citizens, there would not have had to have been a shut down. In Taiwan, a country of 25 million people, only 7 people have died from the pandemic and most things are open. Taiwan closed itself off to the world on January 20, 2020, which is what Trump should have done, but failed to do.
You choose the single country on earth that actually defends itself against China. They have ZERO trust, unlike the patsies who pretend to be "leaders" today. They probably didn't have more than a handful of Communist filth coming into their nation, unlike Italy, France, the weak UK.

Compare U.S stats to Europe. They also have more than 250,000 deaths and the numbers of infected are through the roof. Let's not look at that though, let's allow whoever sent the virus to America to be used as an excuse to misrepresent Americas handling.

Here is what I know. CIA and FBI better have a clue, because if Biden wins, Russia, Chinese and Iranian expansion is in the cards. Good luck trying to defend America under such circumstances when your so-called "allies" are well compromised. To the point Mi6 is too stupid to advise on sending Ukraine weapons and Germany is building an oil pipeline directly from Russia.

I stand by my position, possibly at my own risk (not that I haven't been abused for decades anyways). If I am right, this is the worlds Churchill vs. Chamberlain moment. I have little doubt that there will be FAR fewer in the West even willing to fight for western values even if the Chicken Hawks order it. What will be left after the economy is stolen and allies like H.K, Taiwan and Japan are under constant threat?

Here is all the world needs to know. If we asked President Xi who he wants to win, who do you think it is? Imagine we asked the same of the Russians during the Cold War. Would Americans vote for the leader Russia wanted?
TRUMP is a essentially Russian plant in the White House. He is subservient to Putin and that has harmed the United States for the past four years. Its time the United States took the White House back from Russia.

If Trump cared about China, he would have stayed in the Trans-pacific partnership trade agreement. By getting out of that, he allows China more influence in that trade group and to dominate markets that the United States no longer has the same level of access now. TRUMP is a guy who wanted to withdraw U.S. troops from South Korea and Japan, a major benefit to Chinese expansion in East Asia. TRUMP's isolationist policies are hurting the United States and benefiting RUSSIA AND CHINA!

Finally, lets not forget that TRUMP was impeached for blackmailing Ukraine with arm sales unless Ukraine intervened in the U.S. 2020 election. To do that to ally like Ukraine while their fighting an adversary like Russia is TREASON. Its also TREASON to enlist foreign help to improve your chances in a U.S. election!
Another Russian conspiracy theorist. It is getting old. You're a paid Democrat poster. It is obvious.
I'm a registered Republican that voted straight Democrat in Pennsylvania a week ago!
I frankly do not believe you as you support universal healthcare. But you can keep lying to make yourself feel better. What sucks is that you're in a swing state and your mindless vote actually counts. Do me a favor and be honest. Lying makes you boring.
You don't have to be a Democrat to support Universal Health Care. Nixon supported Universal Health Care. The majority of conservatives in every First World Country with the exception of the United States support Universal Health Care.
Name one Republican who currently supports UH. Are you pro choice or pro life?
PRO-LIFE. But that is only one issue. I could never support Donald Trump who is essentially a Russian Agent, a traitor to his country, and guilty of Treason. There is only One Reagan Republican left in congress and that is MITT ROMNEY! I will NEVER vote for any Republican who was against impeaching and removing Trump from office.

I would consider voting for John Kasich in 2024. Other good Republican candidates would be Robert Gates, Condoleezza Rice, and Colin Powell. Unfortunately the three of them are unlikely to run for office.
So would you vote for a Nikki Haley/John James ticket. Mitt Romney had his chance and lost. I know him well enough based on where I live.
Nikki Haley is a Trump supporter, so no, I would not vote for her.
You’re a real winner....your moral compass is out of whack. The Biden family is corrupt but you have zero issues with voting for Joe.
 

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Anyone else feel that they are in the movie Groundhog Day?
Trump has no chance. Clinton 91%.
Clinton is picking out drapes for the White House.

Polls are so heavily weighted they are useless except as propaganda.
we have those that have the magic formulas that tell everyone that Biden will win, Trump is also going to win.

While it all comes down to the vote. Do you want jobs, and a life or do you want Harris and a failed economy.
Trump is Herbert Hoover at this point. The country just had its worst economic contraction in the 2nd quarter of this year in its 250 year history! A nearly 32% contraction in the 2nd quarter.
All thanks to democrat vermin like you.
If Trump had protected the citizens of this country like Taiwan did for its citizens, there would not have had to have been a shut down. In Taiwan, a country of 25 million people, only 7 people have died from the pandemic and most things are open. Taiwan closed itself off to the world on January 20, 2020, which is what Trump should have done, but failed to do.
You choose the single country on earth that actually defends itself against China. They have ZERO trust, unlike the patsies who pretend to be "leaders" today. They probably didn't have more than a handful of Communist filth coming into their nation, unlike Italy, France, the weak UK.

Compare U.S stats to Europe. They also have more than 250,000 deaths and the numbers of infected are through the roof. Let's not look at that though, let's allow whoever sent the virus to America to be used as an excuse to misrepresent Americas handling.

Here is what I know. CIA and FBI better have a clue, because if Biden wins, Russia, Chinese and Iranian expansion is in the cards. Good luck trying to defend America under such circumstances when your so-called "allies" are well compromised. To the point Mi6 is too stupid to advise on sending Ukraine weapons and Germany is building an oil pipeline directly from Russia.

I stand by my position, possibly at my own risk (not that I haven't been abused for decades anyways). If I am right, this is the worlds Churchill vs. Chamberlain moment. I have little doubt that there will be FAR fewer in the West even willing to fight for western values even if the Chicken Hawks order it. What will be left after the economy is stolen and allies like H.K, Taiwan and Japan are under constant threat?

Here is all the world needs to know. If we asked President Xi who he wants to win, who do you think it is? Imagine we asked the same of the Russians during the Cold War. Would Americans vote for the leader Russia wanted?
TRUMP is a essentially Russian plant in the White House. He is subservient to Putin and that has harmed the United States for the past four years. Its time the United States took the White House back from Russia.

If Trump cared about China, he would have stayed in the Trans-pacific partnership trade agreement. By getting out of that, he allows China more influence in that trade group and to dominate markets that the United States no longer has the same level of access now. TRUMP is a guy who wanted to withdraw U.S. troops from South Korea and Japan, a major benefit to Chinese expansion in East Asia. TRUMP's isolationist policies are hurting the United States and benefiting RUSSIA AND CHINA!

Finally, lets not forget that TRUMP was impeached for blackmailing Ukraine with arm sales unless Ukraine intervened in the U.S. 2020 election. To do that to ally like Ukraine while their fighting an adversary like Russia is TREASON. Its also TREASON to enlist foreign help to improve your chances in a U.S. election!
Another Russian conspiracy theorist. It is getting old. You're a paid Democrat poster. It is obvious.
I'm a registered Republican that voted straight Democrat in Pennsylvania a week ago!
I frankly do not believe you as you support universal healthcare. But you can keep lying to make yourself feel better. What sucks is that you're in a swing state and your mindless vote actually counts. Do me a favor and be honest. Lying makes you boring.
You don't have to be a Democrat to support Universal Health Care. Nixon supported Universal Health Care. The majority of conservatives in every First World Country with the exception of the United States support Universal Health Care.
Name one Republican who currently supports UH. Are you pro choice or pro life?
PRO-LIFE. But that is only one issue. I could never support Donald Trump who is essentially a Russian Agent, a traitor to his country, and guilty of Treason. There is only One Reagan Republican left in congress and that is MITT ROMNEY! I will NEVER vote for any Republican who was against impeaching and removing Trump from office.

I would consider voting for John Kasich in 2024. Other good Republican candidates would be Robert Gates, Condoleezza Rice, and Colin Powell. Unfortunately the three of them are unlikely to run for office.
So would you vote for a Nikki Haley/John James ticket. Mitt Romney had his chance and lost. I know him well enough based on where I live.
Nikki Haley is a Trump supporter, so no, I would not vote for her.
You’re not so bright.
Nikki wanted Rubio or Cruz, not Trump.
She’s a cheap, slave labor lover just like you.
Another Trump is Daddy cultist that fails to realize he just insulted Trump for his own Companies' and his Childrens' companies outsourcing labor to China

:lol:

#cultisReal
 
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The black votes supporting Trump have doubled...
The Hispanic votes fro Trump have doubled..
Middle class workers have shifted to Trump by 8 points in the last week nation wide...

All things the RCP doesn't measure.... Who ya gonna Believe..????
REAL CLEAR POLITICS correctly predicted the winner in 46 out of 50 states in 2016.
REAL CLEAR POLITICS correctly predicted the winner of the popular vote in 2016. It predicted Clinton would win the popular vote by 3.1% points and she won by 2.1% points.

So the RCP is very accurate.
So if it's accurate, what will it mean for America?

That's the real question. Not, "my horse is winning, weee". What does it mean for America if Biden wins vs if Trump wins?
It means hundreds of thousands of lives will be saved by a BIDEN who is willing to do everything in his power to defeat the pandemic. Following victory over the Pandemic, the country will be able to finally stand up again on good economic footing. Jobs and normal life return. The United States will then rebuild its alliances around the world, to undue the damage done by Trump, and finally push back against Russian and Chinese expansionism.
I didn't really want to dignify that comment with a response. I take the high road though and just say, unless you are a Dem volunteer or employee, I see not one iota of what you said being true.

What I do see, is CIA and FBIs jobs getting MUCH harder, as China is going to steamroll the West if Trump loses. All the arrogance and hubris in the world won't combat the reality. This is our Churchill vs Chamberlain moment. I hope America gets it right.
TRUMP has damaged U.S. alliances in East Asia that are vital to containing China. He threatened to pull U.S. troops out of South Korea and Japan which would only benefit CHINESE expansion in the region. You don't want any individual as President who would suggest that pulling U.S. troops out of South Korea and Japan is a good idea. That would dramatically hurt United States security in East Asia and give China the upper hand in dominating the region.

TRUMP also pulled the United States out of Trans-pacific Trade partnership trade deal which now allows China to dominate that trade partnership and replace areas that the United States used to occupy in that important trade relationship.

The only one acting like Chamberlain is TRUMP. TRUMP acts like Chamberlain in regard to U.S. policy with both China and Russia.
 
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Anyone else feel that they are in the movie Groundhog Day?
Trump has no chance. Clinton 91%.
Clinton is picking out drapes for the White House.

Polls are so heavily weighted they are useless except as propaganda.
we have those that have the magic formulas that tell everyone that Biden will win, Trump is also going to win.

While it all comes down to the vote. Do you want jobs, and a life or do you want Harris and a failed economy.
Trump is Herbert Hoover at this point. The country just had its worst economic contraction in the 2nd quarter of this year in its 250 year history! A nearly 32% contraction in the 2nd quarter.
All thanks to democrat vermin like you.
If Trump had protected the citizens of this country like Taiwan did for its citizens, there would not have had to have been a shut down. In Taiwan, a country of 25 million people, only 7 people have died from the pandemic and most things are open. Taiwan closed itself off to the world on January 20, 2020, which is what Trump should have done, but failed to do.
You choose the single country on earth that actually defends itself against China. They have ZERO trust, unlike the patsies who pretend to be "leaders" today. They probably didn't have more than a handful of Communist filth coming into their nation, unlike Italy, France, the weak UK.

Compare U.S stats to Europe. They also have more than 250,000 deaths and the numbers of infected are through the roof. Let's not look at that though, let's allow whoever sent the virus to America to be used as an excuse to misrepresent Americas handling.

Here is what I know. CIA and FBI better have a clue, because if Biden wins, Russia, Chinese and Iranian expansion is in the cards. Good luck trying to defend America under such circumstances when your so-called "allies" are well compromised. To the point Mi6 is too stupid to advise on sending Ukraine weapons and Germany is building an oil pipeline directly from Russia.

I stand by my position, possibly at my own risk (not that I haven't been abused for decades anyways). If I am right, this is the worlds Churchill vs. Chamberlain moment. I have little doubt that there will be FAR fewer in the West even willing to fight for western values even if the Chicken Hawks order it. What will be left after the economy is stolen and allies like H.K, Taiwan and Japan are under constant threat?

Here is all the world needs to know. If we asked President Xi who he wants to win, who do you think it is? Imagine we asked the same of the Russians during the Cold War. Would Americans vote for the leader Russia wanted?
TRUMP is a essentially Russian plant in the White House. He is subservient to Putin and that has harmed the United States for the past four years. Its time the United States took the White House back from Russia.

If Trump cared about China, he would have stayed in the Trans-pacific partnership trade agreement. By getting out of that, he allows China more influence in that trade group and to dominate markets that the United States no longer has the same level of access now. TRUMP is a guy who wanted to withdraw U.S. troops from South Korea and Japan, a major benefit to Chinese expansion in East Asia. TRUMP's isolationist policies are hurting the United States and benefiting RUSSIA AND CHINA!

Finally, lets not forget that TRUMP was impeached for blackmailing Ukraine with arm sales unless Ukraine intervened in the U.S. 2020 election. To do that to ally like Ukraine while their fighting an adversary like Russia is TREASON. Its also TREASON to enlist foreign help to improve your chances in a U.S. election!
Another Russian conspiracy theorist. It is getting old. You're a paid Democrat poster. It is obvious.
I'm a registered Republican that voted straight Democrat in Pennsylvania a week ago!
I frankly do not believe you as you support universal healthcare. But you can keep lying to make yourself feel better. What sucks is that you're in a swing state and your mindless vote actually counts. Do me a favor and be honest. Lying makes you boring.
You don't have to be a Democrat to support Universal Health Care. Nixon supported Universal Health Care. The majority of conservatives in every First World Country with the exception of the United States support Universal Health Care.
Name one Republican who currently supports UH. Are you pro choice or pro life?
PRO-LIFE. But that is only one issue. I could never support Donald Trump who is essentially a Russian Agent, a traitor to his country, and guilty of Treason. There is only One Reagan Republican left in congress and that is MITT ROMNEY! I will NEVER vote for any Republican who was against impeaching and removing Trump from office.

I would consider voting for John Kasich in 2024. Other good Republican candidates would be Robert Gates, Condoleezza Rice, and Colin Powell. Unfortunately the three of them are unlikely to run for office.
So would you vote for a Nikki Haley/John James ticket. Mitt Romney had his chance and lost. I know him well enough based on where I live.
Nikki Haley is a Trump supporter, so no, I would not vote for her.
You’re a real winner....your moral compass is out of whack. The Biden family is corrupt but you have zero issues with voting for Joe.
Hunter Biden is not on the ballot. Maybe one day you and your FOXNEWS buddies will realize that.

Oh and I have issues with people that worship PUTIN, meet with him in private without anyone aids for unknown reasons, and prefers Russian Intelligence to United States Intelligence when it comes to the issue of Russian interference in U.S. elections. TRUMP gave himself away as an agent of the Russian Federation during the summit in Helsinki in the summer of 2018 with PUTIN.
 

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The black votes supporting Trump have doubled...
The Hispanic votes fro Trump have doubled..
Middle class workers have shifted to Trump by 8 points in the last week nation wide...

All things the RCP doesn't measure.... Who ya gonna Believe..????
REAL CLEAR POLITICS correctly predicted the winner in 46 out of 50 states in 2016.
REAL CLEAR POLITICS correctly predicted the winner of the popular vote in 2016. It predicted Clinton would win the popular vote by 3.1% points and she won by 2.1% points.

So the RCP is very accurate.
So if it's accurate, what will it mean for America?

That's the real question. Not, "my horse is winning, weee". What does it mean for America if Biden wins vs if Trump wins?
It means hundreds of thousands of lives will be saved by a BIDEN who is willing to do everything in his power to defeat the pandemic. Following victory over the Pandemic, the country will be able to finally stand up again on good economic footing. Jobs and normal life return. The United States will then rebuild its alliances around the world, to undue the damage done by Trump, and finally push back against Russian and Chinese expansionism.
I didn't really want to dignify that comment with a response. I take the high road though and just say, unless you are a Dem volunteer or employee, I see not one iota of what you said being true.

What I do see, is CIA and FBIs jobs getting MUCH harder, as China is going to steamroll the West if Trump loses. All the arrogance and hubris in the world won't combat the reality. This is our Churchill vs Chamberlain moment. I hope America gets it right.
TRUMP has damaged U.S. alliances in East Asia that are vital to containing China. He threatened to pull U.S. troops out of South Korea and Japan which would only benefit CHINESE expansion in the region. You don't want any individual as President who would suggest that pulling U.S. troops out of South Korea and Japan is a good idea. That would dramatically hurt United States security in East Asia and give China the upper hand in dominating the region.

TRUMP also pulled the United States out of Trans-pacific Trade partnership trade deal which now allows China to dominate that trade partnership and replace areas that the United States used to occupy in that important trade relationship.

The only one acting like Chamberlain is TRUMP. TRUMP acts like Chamberlain in regard to U.S. policy with both China and Russia.
Oh, STFU! You don't know a damn thing you are talking about! He never threatened to pull troops out unless the governments of Korea and Japan didn't ignore their political opposition who were demanding we leave. You are a pathetic excuse for a human being, because all you know how to do is lie! You could give Hillary Clinton a good run for her money as to who is the biggest liar! Now, go back and play in traffic. Hopefully, you can collect an 18-wheeler in the kisser!
 

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Anyone else feel that they are in the movie Groundhog Day?
Trump has no chance. Clinton 91%.
Clinton is picking out drapes for the White House.

Polls are so heavily weighted they are useless except as propaganda.
we have those that have the magic formulas that tell everyone that Biden will win, Trump is also going to win.

While it all comes down to the vote. Do you want jobs, and a life or do you want Harris and a failed economy.
Trump is Herbert Hoover at this point. The country just had its worst economic contraction in the 2nd quarter of this year in its 250 year history! A nearly 32% contraction in the 2nd quarter.
All thanks to democrat vermin like you.
If Trump had protected the citizens of this country like Taiwan did for its citizens, there would not have had to have been a shut down. In Taiwan, a country of 25 million people, only 7 people have died from the pandemic and most things are open. Taiwan closed itself off to the world on January 20, 2020, which is what Trump should have done, but failed to do.
You choose the single country on earth that actually defends itself against China. They have ZERO trust, unlike the patsies who pretend to be "leaders" today. They probably didn't have more than a handful of Communist filth coming into their nation, unlike Italy, France, the weak UK.

Compare U.S stats to Europe. They also have more than 250,000 deaths and the numbers of infected are through the roof. Let's not look at that though, let's allow whoever sent the virus to America to be used as an excuse to misrepresent Americas handling.

Here is what I know. CIA and FBI better have a clue, because if Biden wins, Russia, Chinese and Iranian expansion is in the cards. Good luck trying to defend America under such circumstances when your so-called "allies" are well compromised. To the point Mi6 is too stupid to advise on sending Ukraine weapons and Germany is building an oil pipeline directly from Russia.

I stand by my position, possibly at my own risk (not that I haven't been abused for decades anyways). If I am right, this is the worlds Churchill vs. Chamberlain moment. I have little doubt that there will be FAR fewer in the West even willing to fight for western values even if the Chicken Hawks order it. What will be left after the economy is stolen and allies like H.K, Taiwan and Japan are under constant threat?

Here is all the world needs to know. If we asked President Xi who he wants to win, who do you think it is? Imagine we asked the same of the Russians during the Cold War. Would Americans vote for the leader Russia wanted?
TRUMP is a essentially Russian plant in the White House. He is subservient to Putin and that has harmed the United States for the past four years. Its time the United States took the White House back from Russia.

If Trump cared about China, he would have stayed in the Trans-pacific partnership trade agreement. By getting out of that, he allows China more influence in that trade group and to dominate markets that the United States no longer has the same level of access now. TRUMP is a guy who wanted to withdraw U.S. troops from South Korea and Japan, a major benefit to Chinese expansion in East Asia. TRUMP's isolationist policies are hurting the United States and benefiting RUSSIA AND CHINA!

Finally, lets not forget that TRUMP was impeached for blackmailing Ukraine with arm sales unless Ukraine intervened in the U.S. 2020 election. To do that to ally like Ukraine while their fighting an adversary like Russia is TREASON. Its also TREASON to enlist foreign help to improve your chances in a U.S. election!
Another Russian conspiracy theorist. It is getting old. You're a paid Democrat poster. It is obvious.
I'm a registered Republican that voted straight Democrat in Pennsylvania a week ago!
I frankly do not believe you as you support universal healthcare. But you can keep lying to make yourself feel better. What sucks is that you're in a swing state and your mindless vote actually counts. Do me a favor and be honest. Lying makes you boring.
You don't have to be a Democrat to support Universal Health Care. Nixon supported Universal Health Care. The majority of conservatives in every First World Country with the exception of the United States support Universal Health Care.
Name one Republican who currently supports UH. Are you pro choice or pro life?
PRO-LIFE. But that is only one issue. I could never support Donald Trump who is essentially a Russian Agent, a traitor to his country, and guilty of Treason. There is only One Reagan Republican left in congress and that is MITT ROMNEY! I will NEVER vote for any Republican who was against impeaching and removing Trump from office.

I would consider voting for John Kasich in 2024. Other good Republican candidates would be Robert Gates, Condoleezza Rice, and Colin Powell. Unfortunately the three of them are unlikely to run for office.
So would you vote for a Nikki Haley/John James ticket. Mitt Romney had his chance and lost. I know him well enough based on where I live.
Nikki Haley is a Trump supporter, so no, I would not vote for her.
You’re not so bright.
Nikki wanted Rubio or Cruz, not Trump.
She’s a cheap, slave labor lover just like you.
Another Trump is Daddy cultist that fails to realize he just insulted Trump for his own Companies' and his Childrens' companies outsourcing labor to China

:lol:

#cultisReal
Tell us where you disagree with the Democratic Party platform.
But you better know what you’re talking about because I read it and the platform is basically the BLM platform.
 

G.T.

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Anyone else feel that they are in the movie Groundhog Day?
Trump has no chance. Clinton 91%.
Clinton is picking out drapes for the White House.

Polls are so heavily weighted they are useless except as propaganda.
we have those that have the magic formulas that tell everyone that Biden will win, Trump is also going to win.

While it all comes down to the vote. Do you want jobs, and a life or do you want Harris and a failed economy.
Trump is Herbert Hoover at this point. The country just had its worst economic contraction in the 2nd quarter of this year in its 250 year history! A nearly 32% contraction in the 2nd quarter.
All thanks to democrat vermin like you.
If Trump had protected the citizens of this country like Taiwan did for its citizens, there would not have had to have been a shut down. In Taiwan, a country of 25 million people, only 7 people have died from the pandemic and most things are open. Taiwan closed itself off to the world on January 20, 2020, which is what Trump should have done, but failed to do.
You choose the single country on earth that actually defends itself against China. They have ZERO trust, unlike the patsies who pretend to be "leaders" today. They probably didn't have more than a handful of Communist filth coming into their nation, unlike Italy, France, the weak UK.

Compare U.S stats to Europe. They also have more than 250,000 deaths and the numbers of infected are through the roof. Let's not look at that though, let's allow whoever sent the virus to America to be used as an excuse to misrepresent Americas handling.

Here is what I know. CIA and FBI better have a clue, because if Biden wins, Russia, Chinese and Iranian expansion is in the cards. Good luck trying to defend America under such circumstances when your so-called "allies" are well compromised. To the point Mi6 is too stupid to advise on sending Ukraine weapons and Germany is building an oil pipeline directly from Russia.

I stand by my position, possibly at my own risk (not that I haven't been abused for decades anyways). If I am right, this is the worlds Churchill vs. Chamberlain moment. I have little doubt that there will be FAR fewer in the West even willing to fight for western values even if the Chicken Hawks order it. What will be left after the economy is stolen and allies like H.K, Taiwan and Japan are under constant threat?

Here is all the world needs to know. If we asked President Xi who he wants to win, who do you think it is? Imagine we asked the same of the Russians during the Cold War. Would Americans vote for the leader Russia wanted?
TRUMP is a essentially Russian plant in the White House. He is subservient to Putin and that has harmed the United States for the past four years. Its time the United States took the White House back from Russia.

If Trump cared about China, he would have stayed in the Trans-pacific partnership trade agreement. By getting out of that, he allows China more influence in that trade group and to dominate markets that the United States no longer has the same level of access now. TRUMP is a guy who wanted to withdraw U.S. troops from South Korea and Japan, a major benefit to Chinese expansion in East Asia. TRUMP's isolationist policies are hurting the United States and benefiting RUSSIA AND CHINA!

Finally, lets not forget that TRUMP was impeached for blackmailing Ukraine with arm sales unless Ukraine intervened in the U.S. 2020 election. To do that to ally like Ukraine while their fighting an adversary like Russia is TREASON. Its also TREASON to enlist foreign help to improve your chances in a U.S. election!
Another Russian conspiracy theorist. It is getting old. You're a paid Democrat poster. It is obvious.
I'm a registered Republican that voted straight Democrat in Pennsylvania a week ago!
I frankly do not believe you as you support universal healthcare. But you can keep lying to make yourself feel better. What sucks is that you're in a swing state and your mindless vote actually counts. Do me a favor and be honest. Lying makes you boring.
You don't have to be a Democrat to support Universal Health Care. Nixon supported Universal Health Care. The majority of conservatives in every First World Country with the exception of the United States support Universal Health Care.
Name one Republican who currently supports UH. Are you pro choice or pro life?
PRO-LIFE. But that is only one issue. I could never support Donald Trump who is essentially a Russian Agent, a traitor to his country, and guilty of Treason. There is only One Reagan Republican left in congress and that is MITT ROMNEY! I will NEVER vote for any Republican who was against impeaching and removing Trump from office.

I would consider voting for John Kasich in 2024. Other good Republican candidates would be Robert Gates, Condoleezza Rice, and Colin Powell. Unfortunately the three of them are unlikely to run for office.
So would you vote for a Nikki Haley/John James ticket. Mitt Romney had his chance and lost. I know him well enough based on where I live.
Nikki Haley is a Trump supporter, so no, I would not vote for her.
You’re not so bright.
Nikki wanted Rubio or Cruz, not Trump.
She’s a cheap, slave labor lover just like you.
Another Trump is Daddy cultist that fails to realize he just insulted Trump for his own Companies' and his Childrens' companies outsourcing labor to China

:lol:

#cultisReal
Tell us where you disagree with the Democratic Party platform.
But you better know what you’re talking about because I read it and the platform is basically the BLM platform.
I'm sorry, do you think after ignoring CDC data that you said "didn't exist" I was going to offer contrition in a policy discussion with you, or something? That's not how respect works, dipshit. Get stepped on or stepped over.
 

AzogtheDefiler

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Anyone else feel that they are in the movie Groundhog Day?
Trump has no chance. Clinton 91%.
Clinton is picking out drapes for the White House.

Polls are so heavily weighted they are useless except as propaganda.
we have those that have the magic formulas that tell everyone that Biden will win, Trump is also going to win.

While it all comes down to the vote. Do you want jobs, and a life or do you want Harris and a failed economy.
Trump is Herbert Hoover at this point. The country just had its worst economic contraction in the 2nd quarter of this year in its 250 year history! A nearly 32% contraction in the 2nd quarter.
All thanks to democrat vermin like you.
If Trump had protected the citizens of this country like Taiwan did for its citizens, there would not have had to have been a shut down. In Taiwan, a country of 25 million people, only 7 people have died from the pandemic and most things are open. Taiwan closed itself off to the world on January 20, 2020, which is what Trump should have done, but failed to do.
You choose the single country on earth that actually defends itself against China. They have ZERO trust, unlike the patsies who pretend to be "leaders" today. They probably didn't have more than a handful of Communist filth coming into their nation, unlike Italy, France, the weak UK.

Compare U.S stats to Europe. They also have more than 250,000 deaths and the numbers of infected are through the roof. Let's not look at that though, let's allow whoever sent the virus to America to be used as an excuse to misrepresent Americas handling.

Here is what I know. CIA and FBI better have a clue, because if Biden wins, Russia, Chinese and Iranian expansion is in the cards. Good luck trying to defend America under such circumstances when your so-called "allies" are well compromised. To the point Mi6 is too stupid to advise on sending Ukraine weapons and Germany is building an oil pipeline directly from Russia.

I stand by my position, possibly at my own risk (not that I haven't been abused for decades anyways). If I am right, this is the worlds Churchill vs. Chamberlain moment. I have little doubt that there will be FAR fewer in the West even willing to fight for western values even if the Chicken Hawks order it. What will be left after the economy is stolen and allies like H.K, Taiwan and Japan are under constant threat?

Here is all the world needs to know. If we asked President Xi who he wants to win, who do you think it is? Imagine we asked the same of the Russians during the Cold War. Would Americans vote for the leader Russia wanted?
TRUMP is a essentially Russian plant in the White House. He is subservient to Putin and that has harmed the United States for the past four years. Its time the United States took the White House back from Russia.

If Trump cared about China, he would have stayed in the Trans-pacific partnership trade agreement. By getting out of that, he allows China more influence in that trade group and to dominate markets that the United States no longer has the same level of access now. TRUMP is a guy who wanted to withdraw U.S. troops from South Korea and Japan, a major benefit to Chinese expansion in East Asia. TRUMP's isolationist policies are hurting the United States and benefiting RUSSIA AND CHINA!

Finally, lets not forget that TRUMP was impeached for blackmailing Ukraine with arm sales unless Ukraine intervened in the U.S. 2020 election. To do that to ally like Ukraine while their fighting an adversary like Russia is TREASON. Its also TREASON to enlist foreign help to improve your chances in a U.S. election!
Another Russian conspiracy theorist. It is getting old. You're a paid Democrat poster. It is obvious.
I'm a registered Republican that voted straight Democrat in Pennsylvania a week ago!
I frankly do not believe you as you support universal healthcare. But you can keep lying to make yourself feel better. What sucks is that you're in a swing state and your mindless vote actually counts. Do me a favor and be honest. Lying makes you boring.
You don't have to be a Democrat to support Universal Health Care. Nixon supported Universal Health Care. The majority of conservatives in every First World Country with the exception of the United States support Universal Health Care.
Name one Republican who currently supports UH. Are you pro choice or pro life?
PRO-LIFE. But that is only one issue. I could never support Donald Trump who is essentially a Russian Agent, a traitor to his country, and guilty of Treason. There is only One Reagan Republican left in congress and that is MITT ROMNEY! I will NEVER vote for any Republican who was against impeaching and removing Trump from office.

I would consider voting for John Kasich in 2024. Other good Republican candidates would be Robert Gates, Condoleezza Rice, and Colin Powell. Unfortunately the three of them are unlikely to run for office.
So would you vote for a Nikki Haley/John James ticket. Mitt Romney had his chance and lost. I know him well enough based on where I live.
Nikki Haley is a Trump supporter, so no, I would not vote for her.
You’re not so bright.
Nikki wanted Rubio or Cruz, not Trump.
She’s a cheap, slave labor lover just like you.
Another Trump is Daddy cultist that fails to realize he just insulted Trump for his own Companies' and his Childrens' companies outsourcing labor to China

:lol:

#cultisReal
What part of checks and balances did you not understand? So stupid.
 

AzogtheDefiler

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Anyone else feel that they are in the movie Groundhog Day?
Trump has no chance. Clinton 91%.
Clinton is picking out drapes for the White House.

Polls are so heavily weighted they are useless except as propaganda.
we have those that have the magic formulas that tell everyone that Biden will win, Trump is also going to win.

While it all comes down to the vote. Do you want jobs, and a life or do you want Harris and a failed economy.
Trump is Herbert Hoover at this point. The country just had its worst economic contraction in the 2nd quarter of this year in its 250 year history! A nearly 32% contraction in the 2nd quarter.
All thanks to democrat vermin like you.
If Trump had protected the citizens of this country like Taiwan did for its citizens, there would not have had to have been a shut down. In Taiwan, a country of 25 million people, only 7 people have died from the pandemic and most things are open. Taiwan closed itself off to the world on January 20, 2020, which is what Trump should have done, but failed to do.
You choose the single country on earth that actually defends itself against China. They have ZERO trust, unlike the patsies who pretend to be "leaders" today. They probably didn't have more than a handful of Communist filth coming into their nation, unlike Italy, France, the weak UK.

Compare U.S stats to Europe. They also have more than 250,000 deaths and the numbers of infected are through the roof. Let's not look at that though, let's allow whoever sent the virus to America to be used as an excuse to misrepresent Americas handling.

Here is what I know. CIA and FBI better have a clue, because if Biden wins, Russia, Chinese and Iranian expansion is in the cards. Good luck trying to defend America under such circumstances when your so-called "allies" are well compromised. To the point Mi6 is too stupid to advise on sending Ukraine weapons and Germany is building an oil pipeline directly from Russia.

I stand by my position, possibly at my own risk (not that I haven't been abused for decades anyways). If I am right, this is the worlds Churchill vs. Chamberlain moment. I have little doubt that there will be FAR fewer in the West even willing to fight for western values even if the Chicken Hawks order it. What will be left after the economy is stolen and allies like H.K, Taiwan and Japan are under constant threat?

Here is all the world needs to know. If we asked President Xi who he wants to win, who do you think it is? Imagine we asked the same of the Russians during the Cold War. Would Americans vote for the leader Russia wanted?
TRUMP is a essentially Russian plant in the White House. He is subservient to Putin and that has harmed the United States for the past four years. Its time the United States took the White House back from Russia.

If Trump cared about China, he would have stayed in the Trans-pacific partnership trade agreement. By getting out of that, he allows China more influence in that trade group and to dominate markets that the United States no longer has the same level of access now. TRUMP is a guy who wanted to withdraw U.S. troops from South Korea and Japan, a major benefit to Chinese expansion in East Asia. TRUMP's isolationist policies are hurting the United States and benefiting RUSSIA AND CHINA!

Finally, lets not forget that TRUMP was impeached for blackmailing Ukraine with arm sales unless Ukraine intervened in the U.S. 2020 election. To do that to ally like Ukraine while their fighting an adversary like Russia is TREASON. Its also TREASON to enlist foreign help to improve your chances in a U.S. election!
Another Russian conspiracy theorist. It is getting old. You're a paid Democrat poster. It is obvious.
I'm a registered Republican that voted straight Democrat in Pennsylvania a week ago!
I frankly do not believe you as you support universal healthcare. But you can keep lying to make yourself feel better. What sucks is that you're in a swing state and your mindless vote actually counts. Do me a favor and be honest. Lying makes you boring.
You don't have to be a Democrat to support Universal Health Care. Nixon supported Universal Health Care. The majority of conservatives in every First World Country with the exception of the United States support Universal Health Care.
Name one Republican who currently supports UH. Are you pro choice or pro life?
PRO-LIFE. But that is only one issue. I could never support Donald Trump who is essentially a Russian Agent, a traitor to his country, and guilty of Treason. There is only One Reagan Republican left in congress and that is MITT ROMNEY! I will NEVER vote for any Republican who was against impeaching and removing Trump from office.

I would consider voting for John Kasich in 2024. Other good Republican candidates would be Robert Gates, Condoleezza Rice, and Colin Powell. Unfortunately the three of them are unlikely to run for office.
So would you vote for a Nikki Haley/John James ticket. Mitt Romney had his chance and lost. I know him well enough based on where I live.
Nikki Haley is a Trump supporter, so no, I would not vote for her.
You’re a real winner....your moral compass is out of whack. The Biden family is corrupt but you have zero issues with voting for Joe.
Hunter Biden is not on the ballot. Maybe one day you and your FOXNEWS buddies will realize that.

Oh and I have issues with people that worship PUTIN, meet with him in private without anyone aids for unknown reasons, and prefers Russian Intelligence to United States Intelligence when it comes to the issue of Russian interference in U.S. elections. TRUMP gave himself away as an agent of the Russian Federation during the summit in Helsinki in the summer of 2018 with PUTIN.
Hunter could only be dirty because of the last name and Joe knew he was trading on his name for future kickbacks. Don't be stupid. Dumb Leftist.
 

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