One thing that should not be cut from the Stimulus Plan: Food Stamps Increase

[Dis]

Amazing your grandparents lived through "life", then, isn't it?

Health Care is practically needed in today's day and age with the high medical costs for even the most simple of operations. If you don't have health care and get sick, you're fucked.

What are you? Going senile too?

Notice what I guess I need to bold. My grandparents didn't have to pay out the nose for their young years for health care.

They didn't pay $20,000 for this or that. Hell, my grandparents did however pay high costs even with their health care for things for my grandfather.

In comaprison, the costs were just as high for them - only difference being they didn't run to the doctor every time they had a damned sniffle like todays day and age. They also didn't need an operation for every little thing, either.

NOW you consider the INTERNET a "basic necessity"

 

[Dis]

Lazy pampered candy-asses springs to mind for some reason.

 

[Dis]

Here's another "necessity" for life that didn't exist 20 years ago, either...

How much was the mandatory calculator you needed to get for school, Robert?

(Our calculators were our brains, and we had to show how we got our answers, in detail, on paper.)

 

[sealybobo]

agreed, so someone tell me once again why it is we are funding abortions overseas?

Nice to see you do have a heart.

We are not funding abortions overseas. Bush would not fund any nation that gave abortions. Now, we just don't exclude countries that give abortions.

I don't think that means we "fund" the abortions.

And if we do, great! Because poor as shit Africans shouldn't keep procreating. Especially in war torn countries like Somalia.

Or where their populations are so out of control, they are starving, and going into the jungles to kill Gorillas and elephants for ivory and meat.

I'd rather their human populations decrease so their gorillas/tigers/lions/elephants and rhino's can thrive.

But you probably think humans are more important, right? This planet would be better off if 95% of us vanished.

If I had to pick 2 continents, I'd pick Africa and South America, for their wildlife and rain forests.

 

[Modbert]

LMAO! What do you think the rest of us did? Hello? Duh.

I just don't think you get it Dis. Back then, your wages were worth more then what I would make today.

Lets take my state for example at $7.50

$7.50 x 40 hours = $300 a week

$300 x 4 weeks = $1200 a month

The income tax bracket for someone making over $8,000 and less then $32,000 is 15%. (Never mind all the other taxes but we'll exclude those for now).

$1200 x 15% = $180 which leaves somebody with $1,020 a month to spend.

Now Allie said about $400 for a 1 bedroom apartment. Maybe where she is but not here. I'll say $450 where I am for kicks.

We're now left with $570.

Now Allie says $300 for car insurance; not sure about that; especially when you factor in guys pay almost twice more then girls. So we'll go with $500 on her chart despite the fact it would be $600.

Left with $70! Now if you're going to pay $3.00 per meal. That's $270 a month.

We're in the hole currently - $200.00

If we continue, we haven't even include gas money (especially if you're traveling often for work and school) so we'll say $125.00 for gas money.

You're now in the hole - $325.00.

Never mind the countless other things I could throw in. Point is, PEOPLE ON MW EVEN IF THEY LIVED ALONE WITH NO CHILDREN STILL ARE IN THE HOLE. And hello Allie, what does the fuck does college equal when you take out loans? DEBT.

Am I talking to myself here?

 

[Modbert]

Here's another "necessity" for life that didn't exist 20 years ago, either...

How much was the mandatory calculator you needed to get for school, Robert?

(Our calculators were our brains, and we had to show how we got our answers, in detail, on paper.)

My school doesn't have a mandatory calculator. But try again Dis, I use my brain thanks.

(Nice try at trying to insult me but you fail.)

 

[Modbert]

In comaprison, the costs were just as high for them - only difference being they didn't run to the doctor every time they had a damned sniffle like todays day and age. They also didn't need an operation for every little thing, either.

NOW you consider the INTERNET a "basic necessity"

If you're going to get through college; you need the internet and a computer in some form.

 

[Dis]

You can't use college loans as a "debt" until you actually start paying for them, which is when you're OUT of college. When you're out of college, assuming you picked a decent field to go into, and made the most of your education, you'll start out making enough to start paying that (worthwhile) debt back.

Most students can also get a cheap studio apartment on campus.. Not much need for a car and insurance - you can walk to school, and take a bus to work (and even live thru it, I can assure you). That just opened up your so-called $600 a month. Allies estimate was high, as previously stated.. I don't know anyone, but irresponsible drivers that pay more than $70 a month for insurance, and like I said, you can get a used car, with a warranty for about $100 a month if you hit a sale. Honda's and Toyota's are notoriously reliable cars with very minimal repair bills.

 

[Dis]

In comaprison, the costs were just as high for them - only difference being they didn't run to the doctor every time they had a damned sniffle like todays day and age. They also didn't need an operation for every little thing, either.

NOW you consider the INTERNET a "basic necessity"

If you're going to get through college; you need the internet and a computer in some form.

Why? And let's say for a minute that I'll agree with you - you *need* them (tho, they were never considered a necessity before), why can't you use the ones at your local library, or school? Or, would staying after to do homework infringe upon your personal entertainment time?

Face it.. Getting to where you want to in life is damned hard work, but when you DO get there, it's damned well worth it.

 

[Dis]

Here's another "necessity" for life that didn't exist 20 years ago, either...

How much was the mandatory calculator you needed to get for school, Robert?

(Our calculators were our brains, and we had to show how we got our answers, in detail, on paper.)

My school doesn't have a mandatory calculator. But try again Dis, I use my brain thanks.

(Nice try at trying to insult me but you fail.)

It wasn't an insult in the least. My niece is 2 years younger than you, and I saw her list of "required" items for school.

 

[Modbert]

Why? And let's say for a minute that I'll agree with you - you *need* them (tho, they were never considered a necessity before), why can't you use the ones at your local library, or school? Or, would staying after to do homework infringe upon your personal entertainment time?

Face it.. Getting to where you want to in life is damned hard work, but when you DO get there, it's damned well worth it.

When do you suppose the students do this? In the time when they are rushing from school to their job or at their job or when they are going home?

Libraries aren't always open all night for colleges. 8 hours at work plus X amount of hours in class = either no sleep if you're lucky to have a all night college or no college work on the internet getting done.

 

[Modbert]

It wasn't an insult in the least. My niece is 2 years younger than you, and I saw her list of "required" items for school.

Her school must be smoking something then. I never required a calculator in my high school years. It's not like having one really helps all that much when it comes to Algebra and Geometry.

You'll need one for Trig and Calc though I believe.

 

[Dis]

Why? And let's say for a minute that I'll agree with you - you *need* them (tho, they were never considered a necessity before), why can't you use the ones at your local library, or school? Or, would staying after to do homework infringe upon your personal entertainment time?

Face it.. Getting to where you want to in life is damned hard work, but when you DO get there, it's damned well worth it.

When do you suppose the students do this? In the time when they are rushing from school to their job or at their job or when they are going home?

Libraries aren't always open all night for colleges. 8 hours at work plus X amount of hours in class = either no sleep if you're lucky to have a all night college or no college work on the internet getting done.

You also aren't in a college classroom for 8 hours a day, either.. You VERY often have 2-3 hour breaks between classes. Unfortunately, that means you can't spend them sitting in the local Denny's screwing off. Trust me - you aren't telling me anything I don't know.. It just seems "hard" to you because you don't actually know any better, and have never actually experienced anything harder. Like I said.. You do what you need to to get to where you want to be. Simple as that, really.

 

[Modbert]

You also aren't in a college classroom for 8 hours a day, either.. You VERY often have 2-3 hour breaks between classes. Unfortunately, that means you can't spend them sitting in the local Denny's screwing off. Trust me - you aren't telling me anything I don't know.. It just seems "hard" to you because you don't actually know any better, and have never actually experienced anything harder. Like I said.. You do what you need to to get to where you want to be. Simple as that, really.

You're not in college 8 hours a day, but it also depends on how many classes you have a day. That also raises another great point, what if you have some classes in the afternoon or evening? Sort of tough to go to work for eight hours if you have to leave halfway through to go to class.

Also, we're not factoring in the fact if someone gets even the slightest injury or disease that will take them out to bed; they're screwed.

 

[RodISHI]

"Minimum wage is only for low level entry jobs" and only used by places like Burger King or McD's is nothing more than a lie fed to the masses to keep them thinking what a good deal they have.

When a minimum wage is set that is all the employer has to pay.

When a minimum wage is set to low every worker suffers the inability to pay their own way.

Every asshole out there that thinks their shit does not stink because they have a six figure job they worked so hard for as they were climbing over the masses to get to, should be automactically required to pay double for their homes, their buildings, their cars and their groceries. No make that triple.

Construction Help Needed *Laborers $8 - $10 *Skilled Labor $10 - $12 *Carpenters and Helpers $12 - $16 *Electricians and Helpers $12 - $18 Trans., boots, hard hats and tools A+. Work in Tangi. and St. Tammany parishes. Apply @ 1001 N. Morrison Blvd., Ste E. Mon.-Thur., 8-10am.

Compensation Manpower- accountant
Total Compensation: $10,000 - $20,000 annual salary. Iowa

Yup looking good for skilled labor, not!

Light Industrial: 10 hour shift. 2nd shift hours, $6.90 per hour and up. Rock County. Machine Operators: All shifts, some overtime required and weekend work ...

Yup tell them welders they have no right to expect a wage they can feed their families on. Better yet tell them work foor this and don't expect any assistance when you can't feed your families.

Experienced Welders: MIG, TIG 1st and 2nd shifts. Pay rates beginning at $9.15 per hour. Walworth County
Machine Operators: Light and Medium duty $8.00 per hour and up. All shifts. Walworth County.

Foundry Workers: 1st and 2nd shifts, $10.00 per hour. Walworth County.

Metal Grinding: All shifts, $8.00 per hour and up. Walworth County.

Light Industrial: 10 hour shift. 2nd shift hours, $6.90 per hour and up. Rock County.

Are you interested in joining the team here at Co-Staff and having our professionals search for your next job? If so simply stop into our Delavan, Wisconsin office any weekday between the hours of 8:00am-4:30pm to fill out an application.

 

[AllieBaba]

All that would be great, except "the masses" aren't buying it, so your argument is moot.

"The Masses" are being fed your garbage to make them think they should be paid over-the-top wages for shit work and shit job preparedness and shit education, as well as shit performance.

Sorry. You can rabblerouse all you like. Entry level jobs aren't meant to support families. This is why people WAIT TO HAVE CHILDREN and why they enter the workforce WITH A FUCKING GOAL to better themselves.

BTW...

"As the concept of the working class is important in Marxist, Anarchist and Socialist thought, there is a great deal of political interest in the precise definition of who the working class is. Key points of commonality amongst various ideas include the idea that there is one working class, even though it may be internally divided. The idea of one single working class should be contrasted with 18th-century conceptions of many laboring classes.


[edit] Marxist definitions
Main article: proletariat

Class War: Workers in battle with the police during the Minneapolis Teamsters Strike of 1934.Karl Marx defined the "working class" or proletariat as the multitude of individuals who sell their labor power for wages and do not own the means of production, and he defined them as being responsible for creating the wealth of a society. For example, the members of this class physically build bridges, craft furniture, fix cars, grow food, and nurse children, but do not themselves own the land, factories or means of production....

"Marx argued that it was the destiny of the working class to displace the capitalist system with socialism, changing the social relationships underpinning the class system and then developing into a future classless and stateless communist society in which "the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all." (From The Communist Manifesto)."
Working class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Your garbage is recognized and universally despised, red.

 

[AllieBaba]

Construction Help Needed *Laborers $8 - $10 *Skilled Labor $10 - $12 *Carpenters and Helpers $12 - $16 *Electricians and Helpers $12 - $18 Trans., boots, hard hats and tools A+. Work in Tangi. and St. Tammany parishes. Apply @ 1001 N. Morrison Blvd., Ste E. Mon.-Thur., 8-10am.

Compensation Manpower- accountant
Total Compensation: $10,000 - $20,000 annual salary. Iowa

Yup looking good for skilled labor, not!

Light Industrial: 10 hour shift. 2nd shift hours, $6.90 per hour and up. Rock County. Machine Operators: All shifts, some overtime required and weekend work ...

Yup tell them welders they have no right to expect a wage they can feed their families on. Better yet tell them work foor this and don't expect any assistance when you can't feed your families.

[/quote][/QUOTE]

If they don't like it, they can go to work on a fishing boat. If they're so adverse to gaining an education and pulling themselves up, their options are limited.

ANYONE in this country can better himself. I work with the unwashed masses. Anyone who wants an education can get one, anyone who wants to improve their condition can do so. But they have to do it themselves. Nobody is going to do it for them.

That goes for miners, fishermen, carpenters, you name it.

 

[RodISHI]

All that would be great, except "the masses" aren't buying it, so your argument is moot.

"The Masses" are being fed your garbage to make them think they should be paid over-the-top wages for shit work and shit job preparedness and shit education, as well as shit performance.

Sorry. You can rabblerouse all you like. Entry level jobs aren't meant to support families. This is why people WAIT TO HAVE CHILDREN and why they enter the workforce WITH A FUCKING GOAL to better themselves.

BTW...

"As the concept of the working class is important in Marxist, Anarchist and Socialist thought, there is a great deal of political interest in the precise definition of who the working class is. Key points of commonality amongst various ideas include the idea that there is one working class, even though it may be internally divided. The idea of one single working class should be contrasted with 18th-century conceptions of many laboring classes.


[edit] Marxist definitions
Main article: proletariat

Class War: Workers in battle with the police during the Minneapolis Teamsters Strike of 1934.Karl Marx defined the "working class" or proletariat as the multitude of individuals who sell their labor power for wages and do not own the means of production, and he defined them as being responsible for creating the wealth of a society. For example, the members of this class physically build bridges, craft furniture, fix cars, grow food, and nurse children, but do not themselves own the land, factories or means of production....

"Marx argued that it was the destiny of the working class to displace the capitalist system with socialism, changing the social relationships underpinning the class system and then developing into a future classless and stateless communist society in which "the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all." (From The Communist Manifesto)."
Working class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Your garbage is recognized and universally despised, red.

The masses already rebelled and you now have OBAMA and his tax evading crew running the country!

Who gives a do-dittle about Marx. This is here it is today and people who claim that a working man has no right to expect or to enjoy the fruits of his labors, spill nothing but ilk into the wind.

TIG and MIG welders are not entry level jobs. Neither are Machinist entry level jobs . Nor are Operators or Electricians.

Only some sleezy banker, or sellout would even think such a thing.



As my Lord said, "What you do for the least of these you do for me."

Judgment day already hit for the Republican party yet you cannot see that far for the ilk you poor out in your posts. You'd rather feed the Judas caviar than see people being afforded an opportunity.

 

[Dis]

"Minimum wage is only for low level entry jobs" and only used by places like Burger King or McD's is nothing more than a lie fed to the masses to keep them thinking what a good deal they have.

When a minimum wage is set that is all the employer has to pay.

When a minimum wage is set to low every worker suffers the inability to pay their own way.

Every asshole out there that thinks their shit does not stink because they have a six figure job they worked so hard for as they were climbing over the masses to get to, should be automactically required to pay double for their homes, their buildings, their cars and their groceries. No make that triple.

Construction Help Needed *Laborers $8 - $10 *Skilled Labor $10 - $12 *Carpenters and Helpers $12 - $16 *Electricians and Helpers $12 - $18 Trans., boots, hard hats and tools A+. Work in Tangi. and St. Tammany parishes. Apply @ 1001 N. Morrison Blvd., Ste E. Mon.-Thur., 8-10am.

Compensation Manpower- accountant
Total Compensation: $10,000 - $20,000 annual salary. Iowa

Yup looking good for skilled labor, not!

Light Industrial: 10 hour shift. 2nd shift hours, $6.90 per hour and up. Rock County. Machine Operators: All shifts, some overtime required and weekend work ...

Yup tell them welders they have no right to expect a wage they can feed their families on. Better yet tell them work foor this and don't expect any assistance when you can't feed your families.

Experienced Welders: MIG, TIG 1st and 2nd shifts. Pay rates beginning at $9.15 per hour. Walworth County
Machine Operators: Light and Medium duty $8.00 per hour and up. All shifts. Walworth County.

Foundry Workers: 1st and 2nd shifts, $10.00 per hour. Walworth County.

Metal Grinding: All shifts, $8.00 per hour and up. Walworth County.

Light Industrial: 10 hour shift. 2nd shift hours, $6.90 per hour and up. Rock County.

Are you interested in joining the team here at Co-Staff and having our professionals search for your next job? If so simply stop into our Delavan, Wisconsin office any weekday between the hours of 8:00am-4:30pm to fill out an application.

Oh, wah. Those that *need* additional assistance are getting it. Problem is, you just want to hand them more, but don't want them to have to do anything additional to get it.

Oh, and "climbing over the masses"? How about I just fucking showed up and did the work, while those with a bit less fortitude just called in sick because of a little snow, or a sneeze and a sniffle?

 

[RodISHI]

How about I just "turn the other check" when you have no heat, or when the tacky little mechanic leaves the oil plug out of your car engine or maybe when you have no groceries because there are none to be had after your little world collapses.