One State

[Roudy]

I am sure you know more than the Naval War College. LOL

I am sure you know more than the Arab leaders themselves who committed an act of war by blocking the gulf and then lining up their troops at the border.

I am relying on the Naval War College, not your tired propaganda.

You can rely on whatever you want. The refugee crisis was started by the Arabs themselves. How about 1948, did Israel attack the Arabs then too? What does the Naval War College say about that?

You are always on the losing side.

Of course the Jews attacked the Arabs 1948. That's documented fact. The Jews had invaded the Arab partition long before the Arab League intervened to try to stop the Jews ethnic cleansing of the Arabs that had started months before the Arab League intervention. Jaffa, the largest Arab city and within the Arab partition, had been under seige for months by the Jews and had to surrender and the Christians and Muslim inhabitants were ethnically cleansed before the Arab League intervened and before Israel declared independence. This happened to 100s of smaller towns and villages in the Arab sector. You just don't know the history, you rely on propaganda. Look up the surrender of Jaffa. The British documented everything as they helped the Christian and Muslims to flee to avoid being massacred by the invading Jews.

Thank you. I could not have said it better.

You enjoyed the usual repetitive lies and propaganda, I'm sure.

 

[Indeependent]

I am sure you know more than the Arab leaders themselves who committed an act of war by blocking the gulf and then lining up their troops at the border.

I am relying on the Naval War College, not your tired propaganda.

You can rely on whatever you want. The refugee crisis was started by the Arabs themselves. How about 1948, did Israel attack the Arabs then too? What does the Naval War College say about that?

You are always on the losing side.

Of course the Jews attacked the Arabs 1948. That's documented fact. The Jews had invaded the Arab partition long before the Arab League intervened to try to stop the Jews ethnic cleansing of the Arabs that had started months before the Arab League intervention. Jaffa, the largest Arab city and within the Arab partition, had been under seige for months by the Jews and had to surrender and the Christians and Muslim inhabitants were ethnically cleansed before the Arab League intervened and before Israel declared independence. This happened to 100s of smaller towns and villages in the Arab sector. You just don't know the history, you rely on propaganda. Look up the surrender of Jaffa. The British documented everything as they helped the Christian and Muslims to flee to avoid being massacred by the invading Jews.

Thank you. I could not have said it better.

You enjoyed the usual repetitive lies and propaganda, I'm sure.

Well, Tinmore is the King of Repetition.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The day Israel was pronounced legally and officially a state the Arabs attacked it, and lost.

Unsubstantiated Israeli bullshit talking points.

 

[Indeependent]

The day Israel was pronounced legally and officially a state the Arabs attacked it, and lost.

Unsubstantiated Israeli bullshit talking points.

Unsubstantiated by Muslim web sites.
Not that it matters to me what an asshole like you believes.
One day you'll have to leave your trailer park and visit your brethren.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The day Israel was pronounced legally and officially a state the Arabs attacked it, and lost.

Unsubstantiated Israeli bullshit talking points.

Unsubstantiated by Muslim web sites.
Not that it matters to me what an asshole like you believes.
One day you'll have to leave your trailer park and visit your brethren.

Off topic deflection.

 

[Roudy]

The day Israel was pronounced legally and officially a state the Arabs attacked it, and lost.

Unsubstantiated Israeli bullshit talking points.

You're the one full of bullshit. It was accepted as a state by the international community.

 

[Indeependent]

The day Israel was pronounced legally and officially a state the Arabs attacked it, and lost.

Unsubstantiated Israeli bullshit talking points.

Unsubstantiated by Muslim web sites.
Not that it matters to me what an asshole like you believes.
One day you'll have to leave your trailer park and visit your brethren.

Off topic deflection.

Please elaborate, retard.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The day Israel was pronounced legally and officially a state the Arabs attacked it, and lost.

Unsubstantiated Israeli bullshit talking points.

You're the one full of bullshit. It was accepted as a state by the international community.

Resolution 181 was rejected and abandoned by the UN. It was never implemented by the Security Council. It has no relevance.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The day Israel was pronounced legally and officially a state the Arabs attacked it, and lost.

Unsubstantiated Israeli bullshit talking points.

Unsubstantiated by Muslim web sites.
Not that it matters to me what an asshole like you believes.
One day you'll have to leave your trailer park and visit your brethren.

Off topic deflection.

Please elaborate, retard.

If you think those were valid talking points, make your case. Don't just deflect.

 

[Roudy]

The day Israel was pronounced legally and officially a state the Arabs attacked it, and lost.

Unsubstantiated Israeli bullshit talking points.

You're the one full of bullshit. It was accepted as a state by the international community.

Resolution 181 was rejected and abandoned by the UN. It was never implemented by the Security Council. It has no relevance.

The day Israel was pronounced legally and officially a state the Arabs attacked it, and lost.

Unsubstantiated Israeli bullshit talking points.

You're the one full of bullshit. It was accepted as a state by the international community.

Resolution 181 was rejected and abandoned by the UN. It was never implemented by the Security Council. It has no relevance.

Yes, of course, the Arabs kept rejecting any plan involving allowing Jews to have a state of their own on their holy land.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The day Israel was pronounced legally and officially a state the Arabs attacked it, and lost.

Unsubstantiated Israeli bullshit talking points.

You're the one full of bullshit. It was accepted as a state by the international community.

Resolution 181 was rejected and abandoned by the UN. It was never implemented by the Security Council. It has no relevance.

The day Israel was pronounced legally and officially a state the Arabs attacked it, and lost.

Unsubstantiated Israeli bullshit talking points.

You're the one full of bullshit. It was accepted as a state by the international community.

Resolution 181 was rejected and abandoned by the UN. It was never implemented by the Security Council. It has no relevance.

Yes, of course, the Arabs kept rejecting any plan involving allowing Jews to have a state of their own on their holy land.

You are still deflecting from my original post.

 

[Linkiloo]

How can anyone claim that Palestine has a workable constiution with extra-judicial killings and religious police etc? Who in their right mind would want to live under Hamas?

It doesn't now. The last legally constituted government in Palestine was in March of 2007. A US fomented coup in June of 2007 destroyed that.

The coup failed in Gaza leaving part of the Palestinian Authority (the prime minister, some of the cabinet ministers, and about 1/3 of parliament) in place in Gaza. However, this part of the PA was cut off from all financial and political support.

The coup against the PA succeeded in the West Bank. Israel kidnapped about 30 members of parliament and some cabinet ministers. Abbas padlocked parliament, threw away the constitution, and left the Palestinian Authority.

Abbas appointed a new illegal "PA" in the West Bank and has been ruling by decree since then. He is now in the 12th year of his 4 year term. The US and Israel call this illegal government the "Palestinian Authority" and the media ran with that without question. Since then all money and political support has been funneled into this government.

Well correct me if I'm wrong but none of this inspires confidence in a workable one state with a functioning constitution that would enable Jews to live peacefully there. All the more reason not to ever believe the fantasy of a one state secular democracy under Palestinian control.

 

[Linkiloo]

The whole rehashing of history is a waste of time and effort if the topic is a workable solution to the conflict. It is important that Palestinians stop claiming Jews have no right to be there. They are there. It's simple. So look forwards, not backwards and clean up your own act. Get rid of your terrorist leaders and corrupt politicians.

 

[montelatici]

The whole rehashing of history is a waste of time and effort if the topic is a workable solution to the conflict. It is important that Palestinians stop claiming Jews have no right to be there. They are there. It's simple. So look forwards, not backwards and clean up your own act. Get rid of your terrorist leaders and corrupt politicians.

How are the leaders of the Palestnians terrorists? Would you claim that the ANC (and Mandela) were terrorists when they, for example, bombed shopping centers (Church Street bombung) in their fight to end Apartheid? Or would you say the ANC were freedom fighters? More to the point, should the non-whites in Apartheid South Africa have just "not looked backwards" and peacefully accepted living under the rule of the white colonists from Europe?

 

[Linkiloo]

The whole rehashing of history is a waste of time and effort if the topic is a workable solution to the conflict. It is important that Palestinians stop claiming Jews have no right to be there. They are there. It's simple. So look forwards, not backwards and clean up your own act. Get rid of your terrorist leaders and corrupt politicians.

How are the leasders of the Palestnians terrorists? Would you claim that the ANC (and Mandela) were terrorists when they, for example, bombed shopping centers (Church Street bombung) in their fight to end Apartheid? Or would you say the ANC were freedom fighters? More to the point, should the non-whites in Apartheid South Africa have just "not looked backwards" and peacefully accepted living under the rule of the white colonists from Europe?

This is an attempt to relativise morality and it stinks. Hamas is a terrorist organisation. The ANC were freedom fighters and I'll tell you why. It is simply a fallicious comparison. Hamas uses violence to end the “occupation”. They are terrorists because they are fighting to deny another people the right to self-determination and are attempting to destroy an internationally recognised state. This is similar to terrorist driving into a crowd at the Christmas market or a knifing in France etc. Hamas are also terrorists because they are trying to create a state that denies basic human rights to women, and rejects freedom of expression and religion, that permits extra-judicial killings. Therefore they engage in terrorism. This is nothing like the ANC which which had entirely different goals, and a different legal system it was fighting (in which none of its citizens had voting rights in SA proper unlike in Israel proper). So it is time to see this disctinction and move on. You are doing no one favours by bringing up SA as if it were the same, when it is entirely different.

 

[Challenger]

...So look forwards, not backwards and clean up your own act. Get rid of your terrorist leaders and corrupt politicians.

Zionist Israel first...

 

[Linkiloo]

...So look forwards, not backwards and clean up your own act. Get rid of your terrorist leaders and corrupt politicians.

Zionist Israel first...

Is this a point your are making?

 

[montelatici]

The whole rehashing of history is a waste of time and effort if the topic is a workable solution to the conflict. It is important that Palestinians stop claiming Jews have no right to be there. They are there. It's simple. So look forwards, not backwards and clean up your own act. Get rid of your terrorist leaders and corrupt politicians.

How are the leasders of the Palestnians terrorists? Would you claim that the ANC (and Mandela) were terrorists when they, for example, bombed shopping centers (Church Street bombung) in their fight to end Apartheid? Or would you say the ANC were freedom fighters? More to the point, should the non-whites in Apartheid South Africa have just "not looked backwards" and peacefully accepted living under the rule of the white colonists from Europe?

This is an attempt to relativise morality and it stinks. Hamas is a terrorist organisation. The ANC were freedom fighters and I'll tell you why. It is simply a fallicious comparison. Hamas uses violence to end the “occupation”. They are terrorists because they are fighting to deny another people the right to self-determination and are attempting to destroy an internationally recognised state. This is similar to terrorist driving into a crowd at the Christmas market or a knifing in France etc. Hamas are also terrorists because they are trying to create a state that denies basic human rights to women, and rejects freedom of expression and religion, that permits extra-judicial killings. Therefore they engage in terrorism. This is nothing like the ANC which which had entirely different goals, and a different legal system it was fighting (in which none of its citizens had voting rights in SA proper unlike in Israel proper). So it is time to see this disctinction and move on. You are doing no one favours by bringing up SA as if it were the same, when it is entirely different.

That's a load of horseshit. It is an attempt to demonize the Muslims and Christians claiming that they are different than the Algerian, South African, Rhodesian, Kenyan and other freedom fighters.

Hamas is just one group representing the Palestinians. PAC, in South Africa was more radical than the ANC and proposed that whites be expelled from the country. This was much like the FLN in Algeria. Some anti-apartheid gropud condoned extra judicial killings of traitors though necklacing.

The PA is proposing a state in which citizens of any religion have equal rights, much like the ANC. There is no distinction between the Palestinian freedom fighters and those mentioned above, it is just your racism that can't see that Jews are just as oppressive as the Boers, in fact, given the numbers of non-Jews they kill, in the thousands, every three years or so, they are far more oppressive than the Boers.

When I see morons like you posting I think of a great film, the Battle of Algiers:

The whole rehashing of history is a waste of time and effort if the topic is a workable solution to the conflict. It is important that Palestinians stop claiming Jews have no right to be there. They are there. It's simple. So look forwards, not backwards and clean up your own act. Get rid of your terrorist leaders and corrupt politicians.

How are the leasders of the Palestnians terrorists? Would you claim that the ANC (and Mandela) were terrorists when they, for example, bombed shopping centers (Church Street bombung) in their fight to end Apartheid? Or would you say the ANC were freedom fighters? More to the point, should the non-whites in Apartheid South Africa have just "not looked backwards" and peacefully accepted living under the rule of the white colonists from Europe?

This is an attempt to relativise morality and it stinks. Hamas is a terrorist organisation. The ANC were freedom fighters and I'll tell you why. It is simply a fallicious comparison. Hamas uses violence to end the “occupation”. They are terrorists because they are fighting to deny another people the right to self-determination and are attempting to destroy an internationally recognised state. This is similar to terrorist driving into a crowd at the Christmas market or a knifing in France etc. Hamas are also terrorists because they are trying to create a state that denies basic human rights to women, and rejects freedom of expression and religion, that permits extra-judicial killings. Therefore they engage in terrorism. This is nothing like the ANC which which had entirely different goals, and a different legal system it was fighting (in which none of its citizens had voting rights in SA proper unlike in Israel proper). So it is time to see this disctinction and move on. You are doing no one favours by bringing up SA as if it were the same, when it is entirely different.

How are the leasders of the Palestnians terrorists? Would you claim that the ANC (and Mandela) were terrorists when they, for example, bombed shopping centers (Church Street bombung) in their fight to end Apartheid? Or would you say the ANC were freedom fighters? More to the point, should the non-whites in Apartheid South Africa have just "not looked backwards" and peacefully accepted living under the rule of the white colonists from Europe?[/QUOTE]
This is an attempt to relativise morality and it stinks. Hamas is a terrorist organisation. The ANC were freedom fighters and I'll tell you why. It is simply a fallicious comparison. Hamas uses violence to end the “occupation”. They are terrorists because they are fighting to deny another people the right to self-determination and are attempting to destroy an internationally recognised state. This is similar to terrorist driving into a crowd at the Christmas market or a knifing in France etc. Hamas are also terrorists because they are trying to create a state that denies basic human rights to women, and rejects freedom of expression and religion, that permits extra-judicial killings. Therefore they engage in terrorism. This is nothing like the ANC which which had entirely different goals, and a different legal system it was fighting (in which none of its citizens had voting rights in SA proper unlike in Israel proper). So it is time to see this disctinction and move on. You are doing no one favours by bringing up SA as if it were the same, when it is entirely different.[/QUOTE]

That's a load of racist horseshit. It is an attempt to demonize the Muslims and Christians of Palestine claiming that they are somehow different than other native people under colonial occupation, the Algerians, South Africans, Rhodesians, Kenyans and other freedom fighters.

Hamas is just one group representing the Palestinians. PAC, in South Africa was more radical than the ANC and proposed that whites be expelled from the country. This was much like the FLN in Algeria. Some anti-apartheid groups condoned extra judicial killings of traitors though necklacing. It is strange how people can let their racism condition their minds against a particular group when that group is fighting an oppressive group they are sympathetic with. Much like those that supported Apartheid South Africa.

The PA is proposing a state in which citizens of any religion have equal rights, much like the ANC. There is no distinction between the Palestinian freedom fighters and those mentioned above, it is just your racism that can't see that Jews are just as oppressive as the Boers, in fact, given the numbers of non-Jews they kill, in the thousands, every three years or so, they are far more oppressive than the Boers.

When I see people like you posting nonsense I think of a great film, the Battle of Algiers:

 

[Hollie]

The whole rehashing of history is a waste of time and effort if the topic is a workable solution to the conflict. It is important that Palestinians stop claiming Jews have no right to be there. They are there. It's simple. So look forwards, not backwards and clean up your own act. Get rid of your terrorist leaders and corrupt politicians.

How are the leaders of the Palestnians terrorists? Would you claim that the ANC (and Mandela) were terrorists when they, for example, bombed shopping centers (Church Street bombung) in their fight to end Apartheid? Or would you say the ANC were freedom fighters? More to the point, should the non-whites in Apartheid South Africa have just "not looked backwards" and peacefully accepted living under the rule of the white colonists from Europe?

"How are the leaders of the Palestnians terrorists?"

Well similarly, how are the leaders of ISIS, Boko Haram terrorists? They're just pious Moslems who know their koranology and hadith and accept muhammud (swish) as the perfect example of how to live ones life.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The whole rehashing of history is a waste of time and effort if the topic is a workable solution to the conflict. It is important that Palestinians stop claiming Jews have no right to be there. They are there. It's simple. So look forwards, not backwards and clean up your own act. Get rid of your terrorist leaders and corrupt politicians.

How are the leasders of the Palestnians terrorists? Would you claim that the ANC (and Mandela) were terrorists when they, for example, bombed shopping centers (Church Street bombung) in their fight to end Apartheid? Or would you say the ANC were freedom fighters? More to the point, should the non-whites in Apartheid South Africa have just "not looked backwards" and peacefully accepted living under the rule of the white colonists from Europe?

This is an attempt to relativise morality and it stinks. Hamas is a terrorist organisation. The ANC were freedom fighters and I'll tell you why. It is simply a fallicious comparison. Hamas uses violence to end the “occupation”. They are terrorists because they are fighting to deny another people the right to self-determination and are attempting to destroy an internationally recognised state. This is similar to terrorist driving into a crowd at the Christmas market or a knifing in France etc. Hamas are also terrorists because they are trying to create a state that denies basic human rights to women, and rejects freedom of expression and religion, that permits extra-judicial killings. Therefore they engage in terrorism. This is nothing like the ANC which which had entirely different goals, and a different legal system it was fighting (in which none of its citizens had voting rights in SA proper unlike in Israel proper). So it is time to see this disctinction and move on. You are doing no one favours by bringing up SA as if it were the same, when it is entirely different.

WOW, so many Israeli bullshit talking points in one post.

Good boy!