One State

[Shusha]

The PA is proposing a state in which citizens of any religion have equal rights ...

Give me a break. The PA is proposing no such thing. The Temple Mount fiasco last month is plenty of evidence to prove you wrong. A government invested in the equality of religion would not have called for a days of rage against Israel for protecting the safety and security of all peoples on the Temple Mount complex. A government invested in the equality of religion would not have mentioned publicly the "filthy feet of Jews". A government invested in the equality of people of all faiths would condemn the waqf for their complicity in bringing lethal weapons to the holy places. A government invested in the equality of people of all faiths would condemn the waqf for the unequal treatment of people of some faiths, and would be in discussion with Jordan about how to create equality on the Temple Mount holy site. A government invested in equality would not erase Jewish history in UN resolutions. A government invested in equality would not demand the ethnic cleansing of Jewish people from certain places (settlements). Your claim is ridiculous.

 

[montelatici]

The PA is proposing a state in which citizens of any religion have equal rights ...

Give me a break. The PA is proposing no such thing. The Temple Mount fiasco last month is plenty of evidence to prove you wrong. A government invested in the equality of religion would not have called for a days of rage against Israel for protecting the safety and security of all peoples on the Temple Mount complex. A government invested in the equality of religion would not have mentioned publicly the "filthy feet of Jews". A government invested in the equality of people of all faiths would condemn the waqf for their complicity in bringing lethal weapons to the holy places. A government invested in the equality of people of all faiths would condemn the waqf for the unequal treatment of people of some faiths, and would be in discussion with Jordan about how to create equality on the Temple Mount holy site. A government invested in equality would not erase Jewish history in UN resolutions. A government invested in equality would not demand the ethnic cleansing of Jewish people from certain places (settlements). Your claim is ridiculous.

It's a Mosque that the Jews are militarily occupying and are controlling access to, that is inequality.

The UN rightly declined to double down on the crime of promoting the colonization of Palestine and the dispossession of the native people of Palestine by rewarding the colonial settlers and rewarding the native Christians and Muslims who are, for the most part, the descendants of the indigenous people that converted to those religions.

Fortified military enclaves inhabited by belligerent foreigners need to be removed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well similarly, how are the leaders of ISIS, Boko Haram terrorists?

Interesting. What country are they defending?

 

[Shusha]

The PA is proposing a state in which citizens of any religion have equal rights ...

Give me a break. The PA is proposing no such thing. The Temple Mount fiasco last month is plenty of evidence to prove you wrong. A government invested in the equality of religion would not have called for a days of rage against Israel for protecting the safety and security of all peoples on the Temple Mount complex. A government invested in the equality of religion would not have mentioned publicly the "filthy feet of Jews". A government invested in the equality of people of all faiths would condemn the waqf for their complicity in bringing lethal weapons to the holy places. A government invested in the equality of people of all faiths would condemn the waqf for the unequal treatment of people of some faiths, and would be in discussion with Jordan about how to create equality on the Temple Mount holy site. A government invested in equality would not erase Jewish history in UN resolutions. A government invested in equality would not demand the ethnic cleansing of Jewish people from certain places (settlements). Your claim is ridiculous.

It's a Mosque that the Jews are militarily occupying and are controlling access to, that is inequality.

The UN rightly declined to double down on the crime of promoting the colonization of Palestine and the dispossession of the native people of Palestine by rewarding the colonial settlers and rewarding the native Christians and Muslims who are, for the most part, the descendants of the indigenous people that converted to those religions.

Fortified military enclaves inhabited by belligerent foreigners need to be removed.

Where is the equality in that? Your claim was that the PA is proposing equal rights. I don't see any equal rights in your post.

 

[Linkiloo]

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That's a load of horseshit. It is an attempt to demonize the Muslims and Christians claiming that they are different than the Algerian, South African, Rhodesian, Kenyan and other freedom fighters.

Hamas is just one group representing the Palestinians. PAC, in South Africa was more radical than the ANC and proposed that whites be expelled from the country. This was much like the FLN in Algeria. Some anti-apartheid gropud condoned extra judicial killings of traitors though necklacing.

The PA is proposing a state in which citizens of any religion have equal rights, much like the ANC. There is no distinction between the Palestinian freedom fighters and those mentioned above, it is just your racism that can't see that Jews are just as oppressive as the Boers, in fact, given the numbers of non-Jews they kill, in the thousands, every three years or so, they are far more oppressive than the Boers.

When I see morons like you posting I think of a great film, the Battle of Algiers:

The whole rehashing of history is a waste of time and effort if the topic is a workable solution to the conflict. It is important that Palestinians stop claiming Jews have no right to be there. They are there. It's simple. So look forwards, not backwards and clean up your own act. Get rid of your terrorist leaders and corrupt politicians.

How are the leasders of the Palestnians terrorists? Would you claim that the ANC (and Mandela) were terrorists when they, for example, bombed shopping centers (Church Street bombung) in their fight to end Apartheid? Or would you say the ANC were freedom fighters? More to the point, should the non-whites in Apartheid South Africa have just "not looked backwards" and peacefully accepted living under the rule of the white colonists from Europe?

This is an attempt to relativise morality and it stinks. Hamas is a terrorist organisation. The ANC were freedom fighters and I'll tell you why. It is simply a fallicious comparison. Hamas uses violence to end the “occupation”. They are terrorists because they are fighting to deny another people the right to self-determination and are attempting to destroy an internationally recognised state. This is similar to terrorist driving into a crowd at the Christmas market or a knifing in France etc. Hamas are also terrorists because they are trying to create a state that denies basic human rights to women, and rejects freedom of expression and religion, that permits extra-judicial killings. Therefore they engage in terrorism. This is nothing like the ANC which which had entirely different goals, and a different legal system it was fighting (in which none of its citizens had voting rights in SA proper unlike in Israel proper). So it is time to see this disctinction and move on. You are doing no one favours by bringing up SA as if it were the same, when it is entirely different.

How are the leasders of the Palestnians terrorists? Would you claim that the ANC (and Mandela) were terrorists when they, for example, bombed shopping centers (Church Street bombung) in their fight to end Apartheid? Or would you say the ANC were freedom fighters? More to the point, should the non-whites in Apartheid South Africa have just "not looked backwards" and peacefully accepted living under the rule of the white colonists from Europe?[/QUOTE]
This is an attempt to relativise morality and it stinks. Hamas is a terrorist organisation. The ANC were freedom fighters and I'll tell you why. It is simply a fallicious comparison. Hamas uses violence to end the “occupation”. They are terrorists because they are fighting to deny another people the right to self-determination and are attempting to destroy an internationally recognised state. This is similar to terrorist driving into a crowd at the Christmas market or a knifing in France etc. Hamas are also terrorists because they are trying to create a state that denies basic human rights to women, and rejects freedom of expression and religion, that permits extra-judicial killings. Therefore they engage in terrorism. This is nothing like the ANC which which had entirely different goals, and a different legal system it was fighting (in which none of its citizens had voting rights in SA proper unlike in Israel proper). So it is time to see this disctinction and move on. You are doing no one favours by bringing up SA as if it were the same, when it is entirely different.[/QUOTE]

That's a load of racist horseshit. It is an attempt to demonize the Muslims and Christians of Palestine claiming that they are somehow different than other native people under colonial occupation, the Algerians, South Africans, Rhodesians, Kenyans and other freedom fighters.

Hamas is just one group representing the Palestinians. PAC, in South Africa was more radical than the ANC and proposed that whites be expelled from the country. This was much like the FLN in Algeria. Some anti-apartheid groups condoned extra judicial killings of traitors though necklacing. It is strange how people can let their racism condition their minds against a particular group when that group is fighting an oppressive group they are sympathetic with. Much like those that supported Apartheid South Africa.

The PA is proposing a state in which citizens of any religion have equal rights, much like the ANC. There is no distinction between the Palestinian freedom fighters and those mentioned above, it is just your racism that can't see that Jews are just as oppressive as the Boers, in fact, given the numbers of non-Jews they kill, in the thousands, every three years or so, they are far more oppressive than the Boers.

When I see people like you posting nonsense I think of a great film, the Battle of Algiers:

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I#ve highlighted my comments as the quote function doesn't seem to be working properly.

I'll also ignore the person attacks and you tube movies. I don't have any inclination to waste my time with them.

As to your points: There is no demonising of any particular racial group in establishing what is terror and what it isn't. The ANC waged a guerilla war, with targets being military and security police. This is what the Truth Commission found in relation to the Church street bombing. There is a huge difference whether one's aim is to establish a democratic state and one attacks the military/government or whether one is attacking civilians and harming them intentionally to achieve a political goal. It has nothing to do with the religion of such perpetrators but the intent. So argue the quality and nature of the attacks and not their origins insetad of attempting to lump it toghether and create a racist view all of your own making and then attributing it to someone else.

Yes the PAC were clearly a terrorist organisation. Agreed there, but you raised the ANC so I addressed that.

The PA isn't proposing that state at all. As Tinmore said Abbas is in his 12th year I think of a 4th year term. Human and women's rights are massively under attack there. So no, they aren't proposing any such thing. Hamas openly isn't.
There are terrorist Jews, whoh have been outlawed In Israel for good reason, so again it has nothing to do with racism except on your part. I encourage you to look at intent behind each group in relation to their acts rather than look for racial categories.

The Nationalists (not Boers as such, which means farmers) - and actually a system initiated by the English if you want to be fair (who first initiated law removing black SAs from their land)- established a racially based and legally entrenched system. There were no black rights in SA, no votes, no schooling for all, no right to associate freely, even no use the same toilets or parks or beaches. None of that is the case within Israel, so your statement as to Israel being more oppressive doesn't hold water. Perhaps you can be more concrete if you wish to make a point here.

 

[montelatici]

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That's a load of horseshit. It is an attempt to demonize the Muslims and Christians claiming that they are different than the Algerian, South African, Rhodesian, Kenyan and other freedom fighters.

Hamas is just one group representing the Palestinians. PAC, in South Africa was more radical than the ANC and proposed that whites be expelled from the country. This was much like the FLN in Algeria. Some anti-apartheid gropud condoned extra judicial killings of traitors though necklacing.

The PA is proposing a state in which citizens of any religion have equal rights, much like the ANC. There is no distinction between the Palestinian freedom fighters and those mentioned above, it is just your racism that can't see that Jews are just as oppressive as the Boers, in fact, given the numbers of non-Jews they kill, in the thousands, every three years or so, they are far more oppressive than the Boers.

When I see morons like you posting I think of a great film, the Battle of Algiers:

The whole rehashing of history is a waste of time and effort if the topic is a workable solution to the conflict. It is important that Palestinians stop claiming Jews have no right to be there. They are there. It's simple. So look forwards, not backwards and clean up your own act. Get rid of your terrorist leaders and corrupt politicians.

How are the leasders of the Palestnians terrorists? Would you claim that the ANC (and Mandela) were terrorists when they, for example, bombed shopping centers (Church Street bombung) in their fight to end Apartheid? Or would you say the ANC were freedom fighters? More to the point, should the non-whites in Apartheid South Africa have just "not looked backwards" and peacefully accepted living under the rule of the white colonists from Europe?

This is an attempt to relativise morality and it stinks. Hamas is a terrorist organisation. The ANC were freedom fighters and I'll tell you why. It is simply a fallicious comparison. Hamas uses violence to end the “occupation”. They are terrorists because they are fighting to deny another people the right to self-determination and are attempting to destroy an internationally recognised state. This is similar to terrorist driving into a crowd at the Christmas market or a knifing in France etc. Hamas are also terrorists because they are trying to create a state that denies basic human rights to women, and rejects freedom of expression and religion, that permits extra-judicial killings. Therefore they engage in terrorism. This is nothing like the ANC which which had entirely different goals, and a different legal system it was fighting (in which none of its citizens had voting rights in SA proper unlike in Israel proper). So it is time to see this disctinction and move on. You are doing no one favours by bringing up SA as if it were the same, when it is entirely different.

How are the leasders of the Palestnians terrorists? Would you claim that the ANC (and Mandela) were terrorists when they, for example, bombed shopping centers (Church Street bombung) in their fight to end Apartheid? Or would you say the ANC were freedom fighters? More to the point, should the non-whites in Apartheid South Africa have just "not looked backwards" and peacefully accepted living under the rule of the white colonists from Europe?

This is an attempt to relativise morality and it stinks. Hamas is a terrorist organisation. The ANC were freedom fighters and I'll tell you why. It is simply a fallicious comparison. Hamas uses violence to end the “occupation”. They are terrorists because they are fighting to deny another people the right to self-determination and are attempting to destroy an internationally recognised state. This is similar to terrorist driving into a crowd at the Christmas market or a knifing in France etc. Hamas are also terrorists because they are trying to create a state that denies basic human rights to women, and rejects freedom of expression and religion, that permits extra-judicial killings. Therefore they engage in terrorism. This is nothing like the ANC which which had entirely different goals, and a different legal system it was fighting (in which none of its citizens had voting rights in SA proper unlike in Israel proper). So it is time to see this disctinction and move on. You are doing no one favours by bringing up SA as if it were the same, when it is entirely different.[/QUOTE]

That's a load of racist horseshit. It is an attempt to demonize the Muslims and Christians of Palestine claiming that they are somehow different than other native people under colonial occupation, the Algerians, South Africans, Rhodesians, Kenyans and other freedom fighters.

Hamas is just one group representing the Palestinians. PAC, in South Africa was more radical than the ANC and proposed that whites be expelled from the country. This was much like the FLN in Algeria. Some anti-apartheid groups condoned extra judicial killings of traitors though necklacing. It is strange how people can let their racism condition their minds against a particular group when that group is fighting an oppressive group they are sympathetic with. Much like those that supported Apartheid South Africa.

The PA is proposing a state in which citizens of any religion have equal rights, much like the ANC. There is no distinction between the Palestinian freedom fighters and those mentioned above, it is just your racism that can't see that Jews are just as oppressive as the Boers, in fact, given the numbers of non-Jews they kill, in the thousands, every three years or so, they are far more oppressive than the Boers.

When I see people like you posting nonsense I think of a great film, the Battle of Algiers:

[/QUOTE]
I#ve highlighted my comments as the quote function doesn't seem to be working properly.

I'll also ignore the person attacks and you tube movies. I don't have any inclination to waste my time with them.

As to your points: There is no demonising of any particular racial group in establishing what is terror and what it isn't. The ANC waged a guerilla war, with targets being military and security police. This is what the Truth Commission found in relation to the Church street bombing. There is a huge difference whether one's aim is to establish a democratic state and one attacks the military/government or whether one is attacking civilians and harming them intentionally to achieve a political goal. It has nothing to do with the religion of such perpetrators but the intent. So argue the quality and nature of the attacks and not their origins insetad of attempting to lump it toghether and create a racist view all of your own making and then attributing it to someone else.

Yes the PAC were clearly a terrorist organisation. Agreed there, but you raised the ANC so I addressed that.

The PA isn't proposing that state at all. As Tinmore said Abbas is in his 12th year I think of a 4th year term. Human and women's rights are massively under attack there. So no, they aren't proposing any such thing. Hamas openly isn't.
There are terrorist Jews, whoh have been outlawed In Israel for good reason, so again it has nothing to do with racism except on your part. I encourage you to look at intent behind each group in relation to their acts rather than look for racial categories.

The Nationalists (not Boers as such, which means farmers) - and actually a system initiated by the English if you want to be fair (who first initiated law removing black SAs from their land)- established a racially based and legally entrenched system. There were no black rights in SA, no votes, no schooling for all, no right to associate freely, even no use the same toilets or parks or beaches. None of that is the case within Israel, so your statement as to Israel being more oppressive doesn't hold water. Perhaps you can be more concrete if you wish to make a point here.[/QUOTE]

PAC were freedom fighters like the ANC.

ANC targeted the military only?

Bombing in South Africa Kills 3 and Wounds 50
By SUZANNE DALEYDEC. 25, 1996


Two bomb blasts ripped through a shopping area in a farming town at the heart of South Africa's wine country today, killing one adult and two children and wounding at least 50 other people."

Bombing in South Africa Kills 3 and Wounds 50

Israel has a religiously based separation system. Like South Africa, the Israelis have their Bantustans where the inhabitants are claimed to be non-citizens. Give us a break with your BS.

 

[Linkiloo]

That article you provided discusses a bombing by right wing militants, unwilling to give up apartheid. Further info in my next post.
Furthermore Israel is entirely different since Israel has absolutely no religiously based seperation system. 20% of its citizens are muslims with a democratic right to vote and none of the legally entrenched discrimination that black south africans had. There are judges, doctors and muslims in government. None of that applied in SA. ALL SA blacks were denied citizenship in SA, which isn't the case in Israel. Please elabroate how bantustans in SA have been implemented in Israel proper if Israeli Palestinians enjoy the right to vote?

 

[Linkiloo]

.[/QUOTE]

PAC were freedom fighters like the ANC.

ANC targeted the military only?

Bombing in South Africa Kills 3 and Wounds 50
By SUZANNE DALEYDEC. 25, 1996


Two bomb blasts ripped through a shopping area in a farming town at the heart of South Africa's wine country today, killing one adult and two children and wounding at least 50 other people."

Bombing in South Africa Kills 3 and Wounds 50

Israel has a religiously based separation system. Like South Africa, the Israelis have their Bantustans where the inhabitants are claimed to be non-citizens. Give us a break with your BS.[/QUOTE]
That bombing was not by the ANC! Monte you are so lost in trying to create a narrative akin to the ANC's fight against apartheid that you thought that the bombing you quoted was by the ANC. If you know anything about SA you know that at that point South Africa (1996) was changing, Mandela was out of jail and that that bomb was later established to have been an attempt by white right winger terrorists, the AWB to resist the loss of power.
So tell me again how the ANC were terrorists, just like the Palestinian terrorists.
Here is some fascinating reading on how this right wing terrorist saw the light. Again terrorism knows no colour, but that doesn't assist you in justifying Palestinian terrorism
Meet the youngest Worcester Bomber - now a poster boy for reconciliation | Daily Maverick

 

[louie888]

Give me a break. The PA is proposing no such thing. The Temple Mount fiasco last month is plenty of evidence to prove you wrong. A government invested in the equality of religion would not have called for a days of rage against Israel for protecting the safety and security of all peoples on the Temple Mount complex. A government invested in the equality of religion would not have mentioned publicly the "filthy feet of Jews". A government invested in the equality of people of all faiths would condemn the waqf for their complicity in bringing lethal weapons to the holy places. A government invested in the equality of people of all faiths would condemn the waqf for the unequal treatment of people of some faiths, and would be in discussion with Jordan about how to create equality on the Temple Mount holy site. A government invested in equality would not erase Jewish history in UN resolutions. A government invested in equality would not demand the ethnic cleansing of Jewish people from certain places (settlements). Your claim is ridiculous.

What does this have to do with one state? More of your derailing.

How 'bout the topic?

 

[Hollie]

Well similarly, how are the leaders of ISIS, Boko Haram terrorists?

Interesting. What country are they defending?

ISIS was defending and attempting to expand an islamist caliphate. Not a country but a geographic area under the control of Islamic fascism. Boko Haram would hope for the same. Both would hope to impose a theocratic totalitarian nightmare modeled on "the way of the prophet"

This is why a notion of a one state solution with islamics is such nonsense.

What else do you need help with?

 

[Challenger]

Furthermore Israel is entirely different since Israel has absolutely no religiously based seperation system.

Tell that to an "Arab Israeli" who wants to live in a "Jewish Israeli" neighbourhood...

Israel's Virulent Housing Bias Runs Deep — and It's Not Only Aimed at Arabs
Israel's discriminatory housing message: This is a Jewish state; Arabs out

Yesterday, Israel’s Supreme Court dismissed a petition by Adalah: The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel effectually facilitating the Judaization of more Palestinian owned land inside Israel. According to Adalah, the court’s decision holding up Israel’s Admissions Committees Law, “entrenches racial segregation; 434 small communities in Israel, or 43% of all residential areas, will be allowed to close their doors to Palestinian Arab citizens of the state.” Much of the land in question was originally confiscated from Palestinian refugees, and the court’s decision will result in the continued concentration and containment of the Palestinian population in Israel. Israeli Supreme Court upholds law allowing housing discrimination against Palestinians

 

[Challenger]

20% of its citizens are muslims with a democratic right to vote...

That 20% is "restricted" to certain areas (see post #131) this means that their "collective vote" has no possibility of influencing the Zionist regime. Israeli Arabs' political power is non existant, much like turkeys been given the power to vote for Christmas.

 

[Challenger]

There are judges, doctors and muslims in government.

You could have phrased that better, but I still get what you mean. If you look closely I suspect you'll find that most of them are from the Druze community, the Palestinian equivalent of "Uncle Toms"

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well similarly, how are the leaders of ISIS, Boko Haram terrorists?

Interesting. What country are they defending?

ISIS was defending and attempting to expand an islamist caliphate. Not a country but a geographic area under the control of Islamic fascism. Boko Haram would hope for the same. Both would hope to impose a theocratic totalitarian nightmare modeled on "the way of the prophet"

This is why a notion of a one state solution with islamics is such nonsense.

What else do you need help with?

ISIS and Boko Haram are promoting an ideology.

The Palestinians are defending their country.

 

[Hollie]

Well similarly, how are the leaders of ISIS, Boko Haram terrorists?

Interesting. What country are they defending?

ISIS was defending and attempting to expand an islamist caliphate. Not a country but a geographic area under the control of Islamic fascism. Boko Haram would hope for the same. Both would hope to impose a theocratic totalitarian nightmare modeled on "the way of the prophet"

This is why a notion of a one state solution with islamics is such nonsense.

What else do you need help with?

ISIS and Boko Haram are promoting an ideology.

The Palestinians are defending their country.

You need to read the Hamas charter. It is clearly promoting an ideology, one identical to ISIS and Boko Haram.

Where do we find either of these "country of Gaza'istan" and "country of Fatah'istan"?

 

[rylah]

This map is correct for the years 1920-22:

No it isn't.

The Emirate of Transjordania was established in March 1921, before that, and after July 1920 it was considered a no-man's land. the British siezed the opportunity provided by Abdullah ibn al-Hussein's declaration of sovereignty to add it to the British sphere as an autonomous emirate under the "protection" of the mandate authorities across the river in Palestine. We made several such arrangements in India during the Raj, there was nothing new or untoward about it.

And it too was in Palestine. In 1922 Churchill wrote in the White Paper, about the part of Palestine west of the river:

"The whole of Palestine west of the Jordan was thus excluded from Sir. Henry McMahon's pledge."

 

[rylah]

There are judges, doctors and muslims in government.

You could have phrased that better, but I still get what you mean. If you look closely I suspect you'll find that most of them are from the Druze community, the Palestinian equivalent of "Uncle Toms"

Not just the Druze. You should look into the the Arab society with a an Arab outlook.
Depends on the leaders of the hamullah. Their word on the ground can turn whole towns and villages towards Israel, economically speaking. And the Bedouins serve in the IDF as well.
The Druze, they're just respectful people overall, and the Arabs tend to keep away from them.

 

[Linkiloo]

Furthermore Israel is entirely different since Israel has absolutely no religiously based seperation system.

Tell that to an "Arab Israeli" who wants to live in a "Jewish Israeli" neighbourhood...

Israel's Virulent Housing Bias Runs Deep — and It's Not Only Aimed at Arabs
Israel's discriminatory housing message: This is a Jewish state; Arabs out

Yesterday, Israel’s Supreme Court dismissed a petition by Adalah: The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel effectually facilitating the Judaization of more Palestinian owned land inside Israel. According to Adalah, the court’s decision holding up Israel’s Admissions Committees Law, “entrenches racial segregation; 434 small communities in Israel, or 43% of all residential areas, will be allowed to close their doors to Palestinian Arab citizens of the state.” Much of the land in question was originally confiscated from Palestinian refugees, and the court’s decision will result in the continued concentration and containment of the Palestinian population in Israel. Israeli Supreme Court upholds law allowing housing discrimination against Palestinians

Your quote above highlights the very difference between South Africa's legal system and Israel's. The functioning legal system that sometimes upholds laws and sometimes doesn't is part and parcel of the rule of law and it is alive and thriving in Israel. In some cases a court decides to uphold a law and in others it doesn't. There are a cases in which courts have declared laws invalid and have favoured a party rather than another, as it should be. And as your article itself says, discrimination or segregation apparently is not directed specifically at Arabs, as is evident in its title. In fact it is a conflict with orthodox and ashkenazi Jews, as your article explains. ("It's not only aimed at Arabs") - which by the way was not the case in SA, where it was legally entrenched and aimed at blacks specifically and unapologetically. So the conflicts your article highlights are conflicts between various groupings to be found internationally and always, none of which which are legally entrenched.

 

[Linkiloo]

20% of its citizens are muslims with a democratic right to vote...

That 20% is "restricted" to certain areas (see post #131) this means that their "collective vote" has no possibility of influencing the Zionist regime. Israeli Arabs' political power is non existant, much like turkeys been given the power to vote for Christmas.

That is silly. The one man one vote principle is what "restricts" a minorities vote in any democracy. They are able to ensure representation in the "zionist" government in fact, unlike South African blacks who were not represented in the tricameral parliament at all.

 

[Linkiloo]

Well similarly, how are the leaders of ISIS, Boko Haram terrorists?

Interesting. What country are they defending?

ISIS was defending and attempting to expand an islamist caliphate. Not a country but a geographic area under the control of Islamic fascism. Boko Haram would hope for the same. Both would hope to impose a theocratic totalitarian nightmare modeled on "the way of the prophet"

This is why a notion of a one state solution with islamics is such nonsense.

What else do you need help with?

ISIS and Boko Haram are promoting an ideology.

The Palestinians are defending their country.

I'm afraid that it is terrorism to attack civilians targets and not defensive. Hamas also has a very clear ideology which would similarly indicate terrorist intentions.