One Reason for School Shootings: Three Letters - MDR

[Seymour Flops]

What is an MDR?

1. What is a Manifestation Determination Review (MDR)?
a. The MDR is a meeting that is held to discuss whether a child’s behavior is
related to his/her disability.
2. Why does the School hold an MDR?
a. Students with disabilities are protected from improper discipline for
behavior that results because of their disabilities.
b. The School holds the MDR to find out whether it can use the same
discipline for the student with a disability as it uses for other students.

https://www.equipforequality.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Manifestation-Determination-Review-Fact-Sheet.pdf

We do an MDR every time we sent a student to DAEP, or to ISS for ten days or more, as a total of all ISS assignments for the year.

As my campus' behavior specialist, I've sat in on more than a hundred MDR's over the years. My district is relatively conservative, so the MDR's usually go well. Unless it were something like a kid with Tourettes being disciplined for cursing, the committee decides that it is not a manifestation of the disability and the punishment stands.

This year, and it is only November, we have had a rash of students threatening teachers when a teacher does something the student doesn't like. People my age know that if we had done that, we would have limped into school the next day and ask permission to stand up in classes. Different world, and I suppose to some, a better one.

The first one, the AP wasn't sure if he should give detention or ISS. He called the District Dean of Students, who told him to send the little guy to DAEP, the district doesn't tolerate its teachers beeing threatened. We went to MDR and the committee determined that it was not ADHD that caused the behavior.

That happened three more times, each time the kid acting surprised at being so misunderstood. Then the first kid, having served his time, threatened a teacher again. This time, Mom - a member of the committee - objected to the punishment, claiming that the kid made the threat due to impulsiveness caused by ADHD.

Now, he will likely come back after only nine days (he was given thirty). He is sure to feel that mommy rescued him from the unfair meanies at school who don't realize that sometimes a boy just has to tell a teacher that her life is in danger if she doesn't stop looking at him.

All in the name of "rights of people with disabilities."

Remember that the next time there is a school shooting and the district says there was no indication of any propensity to violence. They are not allowed to say if the kid had a disability or had been i trouble before. Not to cover up their own incompetence, but in the name of privacy. And stuff.

 

[rampart]

What is an MDR?

1. What is a Manifestation Determination Review (MDR)?
a. The MDR is a meeting that is held to discuss whether a child’s behavior is
related to his/her disability.
2. Why does the School hold an MDR?
a. Students with disabilities are protected from improper discipline for
behavior that results because of their disabilities.
b. The School holds the MDR to find out whether it can use the same
discipline for the student with a disability as it uses for other students.

https://www.equipforequality.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Manifestation-Determination-Review-Fact-Sheet.pdf

We do an MDR every time we sent a student to DAEP, or to ISS for ten days or more, as a total of all ISS assignments for the year.

As my campus' behavior specialist, I've sat in on more than a hundred MDR's over the years. My district is relatively conservative, so the MDR's usually go well. Unless it were something like a kid with Tourettes being disciplined for cursing, the committee decides that it is not a manifestation of the disability and the punishment stands.

This year, and it is only November, we have had a rash of students threatening teachers when a teacher does something the student doesn't like. People my age know that if we had done that, we would have limped into school the next day and ask permission to stand up in classes. Different world, and I suppose to some, a better one.

The first one, the AP wasn't sure if he should give detention or ISS. He called the District Dean of Students, who told him to send the little guy to DAEP, the district doesn't tolerate its teachers beeing threatened. We went to MDR and the committee determined that it was not ADHD that caused the behavior.

That happened three more times, each time the kid acting surprised at being so misunderstood. Then the first kid, having served his time, threatened a teacher again. This time, Mom - a member of the committee - objected to the punishment, claiming that the kid made the threat due to impulsiveness caused by ADHD.

Now, he will likely come back after only nine days (he was given thirty). He is sure to feel that mommy rescued him from the unfair meanies at school who don't realize that sometimes a boy just has to tell a teacher that her life is in danger if she doesn't stop looking at him.

All in the name of "rights of people with disabilities."

Remember that the next time there is a school shooting and the district says there was no indication of any propensity to violence. They are not allowed to say if the kid had a disability or had been i trouble before. Not to cover up their own incompetence, but in the name of privacy. And stuff.

i su[[pse there are disadvantages to collecting similarly placed students with such disabilities in separate schools or c;lass rooms?

 

[Seymour Flops]

i su[[pse there are disadvantages to collecting similarly placed students with such disabilities in separate schools or c;lass rooms?

There is a place for student in Special Ed who persistently misbehave and it is thought to be due to their disabilities. In Harris County, Texas it is called "Academic and Behavior School."

There are uniforms, metal detectors, searches, police on duty, a fence topped with barbed wire to protect the students from the nearby freeway, and strict rules about movement in the building. I visit whenever one of my students is assigned there.

First thing I noticed was the size of the teachers. The principle is built like a college linebacker and she is one of the smallest staffers there. If a student shows any physical resistance, including trying to walk out of class, he is captured by four teachers, one for each arm or leg and held on the ground until he expresses willingness to comply. Threats don't frighten those teachers.

In the past, if a parent fought a DAEP assignment, the principal would bring up ABS, which is for students who "can't help themselves" due to their disability. Unlike DAEP, they don't go there for a set number of days, but until they are deemed safe to return, in terms of physical safety and protection of undisrupted classrooms. When that is explained, DAEP doesn't look so bad.

Unfortunately, even in Texas we have liberal activists. They are trying to shut down ABS, which is a county run school. ABS has suspended taking new students and is trying to move existing students back to their districts.

So, we have nowhere to send them. DAEP is not much of a punishment for threatening the lives of teachers and students, but that's all we have. If there is a school shooting in the Houston area, and I suddenly stop posting, you'll know why. I'm a veteran and I'm not going to hide while my students are massacred.

 

[Anathema]

This is why if I’d had kids none of them would have seen a public school.

I could see this sort of shit coming 40+ years ago. My father left the teaching profession after 8.5 years because in the early 1980s his classes (industrial arts) were where the administration would send all the troublemakers. Yeah, let’s send disobedient student to a class environment with electric saws, drill presses, gasoline, etc…

Even during my own time in school, you could see that ADHD, learning “disabilities”, etc… were being used as a crutch to “help” students by removing them from the regular classroom for “special” teaching. My mother tried to get me special help with math in elementary school. She was denied because my “learning disability” didn’t include me acting out in class or cursing at the teacher. We dropped the request when my parents found out the “math lab” was actually just 4 computers with Pong on them, not actual help learning math.

 

[sparky]

As my campus' behavior specialist, I've sat in on more than a hundred MDR's over the years

Ah!, so you're our very own resident expert on child behavior Seymour?


~S~

 

[Seymour Flops]

Ah!, so you're our very own resident expert on child behavior Seymour?


~S~

yessir! Ask me anything.

I'm reasonably qualified in education and experience, I would say.

 

[Jarlaxle]

There is a place for student in Special Ed who persistently misbehave and it is thought to be due to their disabilities. In Harris County, Texas it is called "Academic and Behavior School."

There are uniforms, metal detectors, searches, police on duty, a fence topped with barbed wire to protect the students from the nearby freeway, and strict rules about movement in the building. I visit whenever one of my students is assigned there.

First thing I noticed was the size of the teachers. The principle is built like a college linebacker and she is one of the smallest staffers there. If a student shows any physical resistance, including trying to walk out of class, he is captured by four teachers, one for each arm or leg and held on the ground until he expresses willingness to comply. Threats don't frighten those teachers.

In the past, if a parent fought a DAEP assignment, the principal would bring up ABS, which is for students who "can't help themselves" due to their disability. Unlike DAEP, they don't go there for a set number of days, but until they are deemed safe to return, in terms of physical safety and protection of undisrupted classrooms. When that is explained, DAEP doesn't look so bad.

Unfortunately, even in Texas we have liberal activists. They are trying to shut down ABS, which is a county run school. ABS has suspended taking new students and is trying to move existing students back to their districts.

So, we have nowhere to send them. DAEP is not much of a punishment for threatening the lives of teachers and students, but that's all we have. If there is a school shooting in the Houston area, and I suddenly stop posting, you'll know why. I'm a veteran and I'm not going to hide while my students are massacred.

I wonder how many of the teachers get off on hurting children.

I wonder how many students there get molested, either by other students or staff.

 

[SweetSue92]

What is an MDR?

1. What is a Manifestation Determination Review (MDR)?
a. The MDR is a meeting that is held to discuss whether a child’s behavior is
related to his/her disability.
2. Why does the School hold an MDR?
a. Students with disabilities are protected from improper discipline for
behavior that results because of their disabilities.
b. The School holds the MDR to find out whether it can use the same
discipline for the student with a disability as it uses for other students.

https://www.equipforequality.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Manifestation-Determination-Review-Fact-Sheet.pdf

We do an MDR every time we sent a student to DAEP, or to ISS for ten days or more, as a total of all ISS assignments for the year.

As my campus' behavior specialist, I've sat in on more than a hundred MDR's over the years. My district is relatively conservative, so the MDR's usually go well. Unless it were something like a kid with Tourettes being disciplined for cursing, the committee decides that it is not a manifestation of the disability and the punishment stands.

This year, and it is only November, we have had a rash of students threatening teachers when a teacher does something the student doesn't like. People my age know that if we had done that, we would have limped into school the next day and ask permission to stand up in classes. Different world, and I suppose to some, a better one.

The first one, the AP wasn't sure if he should give detention or ISS. He called the District Dean of Students, who told him to send the little guy to DAEP, the district doesn't tolerate its teachers beeing threatened. We went to MDR and the committee determined that it was not ADHD that caused the behavior.

That happened three more times, each time the kid acting surprised at being so misunderstood. Then the first kid, having served his time, threatened a teacher again. This time, Mom - a member of the committee - objected to the punishment, claiming that the kid made the threat due to impulsiveness caused by ADHD.

Now, he will likely come back after only nine days (he was given thirty). He is sure to feel that mommy rescued him from the unfair meanies at school who don't realize that sometimes a boy just has to tell a teacher that her life is in danger if she doesn't stop looking at him.

All in the name of "rights of people with disabilities."

Remember that the next time there is a school shooting and the district says there was no indication of any propensity to violence. They are not allowed to say if the kid had a disability or had been i trouble before. Not to cover up their own incompetence, but in the name of privacy. And stuff.

I'm sorry, I'm going to say it.

Bring back contained classrooms. Some children MUST have them, for the safety of themselves and others.

Bring back separate schools for the same reason.

We're having a PD day soon about safety; it's going to take everything in me not to scream "THE THREAT IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE"

People don't know. They don't understand.

 

[fncceo]

The first thing we have to decide is if ALL children are entitled to a tax-payer funded education.

Or, if those children who refuse or are incapable of following the very basic requirements of behavior forfeit that right.

It is unfair to the vast majority of students who follow the rules of behavior to be at risk of assault by those who do not.

 

[SweetSue92]

There is a place for student in Special Ed who persistently misbehave and it is thought to be due to their disabilities. In Harris County, Texas it is called "Academic and Behavior School."

There are uniforms, metal detectors, searches, police on duty, a fence topped with barbed wire to protect the students from the nearby freeway, and strict rules about movement in the building. I visit whenever one of my students is assigned there.

First thing I noticed was the size of the teachers. The principle is built like a college linebacker and she is one of the smallest staffers there. If a student shows any physical resistance, including trying to walk out of class, he is captured by four teachers, one for each arm or leg and held on the ground until he expresses willingness to comply. Threats don't frighten those teachers.

In the past, if a parent fought a DAEP assignment, the principal would bring up ABS, which is for students who "can't help themselves" due to their disability. Unlike DAEP, they don't go there for a set number of days, but until they are deemed safe to return, in terms of physical safety and protection of undisrupted classrooms. When that is explained, DAEP doesn't look so bad.

Unfortunately, even in Texas we have liberal activists. They are trying to shut down ABS, which is a county run school. ABS has suspended taking new students and is trying to move existing students back to their districts.

So, we have nowhere to send them. DAEP is not much of a punishment for threatening the lives of teachers and students, but that's all we have. If there is a school shooting in the Houston area, and I suddenly stop posting, you'll know why. I'm a veteran and I'm not going to hide while my students are massacred.

I am told, on this forum, that it's stupid to be afraid of elementary children.

I weigh well less than 100 lbs.

I have a male student, an older one, that is prone to violence and could probably kill me, not kidding. Special needs. I was told he only "shoves teachers" so not to worry about it. He is massive, well over 200 lbs.

 

[SweetSue92]

The first thing we have to decide is if ALL children are entitled to a tax-payer funded education.

Or, if those children who refuse or are incapable of following the very basic requirements of behavior forfeit that right.

It is unfair to the vast majority of students who follow the rules of behavior to be at risk of assault by those who do not.

Thank you, I would give this a thousand upvotes if I could.

YES, all children are entitled, but NOT when others are at risk.

We are at this point: If inmates assault officers they are given immediate solitary.

If children assault other children or teachers, a big ole shrug and "he's just having a bad day" or "what's the big deal? She's just 6" (or 7 or 10)

 

[Seymour Flops]

I'm sorry, I'm going to say it.

I'll say it also.

Bring back contained classrooms. Some children MUST have them, for the safety of themselves and others.

When I was a kid, the special ed kids had their own classrooms in temporary buildings behind the outdoor basketball courts. That's what I grew up seeing, and I never questioned it. Years later, I trained for Special Education and I was told about the beauty of "inclusion," and that special kids are now educated alongside non-disabled peers. Sounded great.

Until I saw it in practice. In practice, the severe kids who are placed in "regular" classrooms are still separated, not by walls, but by thier own inability to communicate on the same level as non-disabled peers. At best, they are ignored, at worst, mocked, ridiculed and stigmatized. Meanwhile, they learn nothing because the grade-level material is far beyond their ability to comprehend.

Also, when I was young, kids who made threats to adults were not put in special education, they were gotten rid of. Their parent would be told that it is up to them to figure out how to educate them, because their misraised offpring will not be allowed to make death threats to adults of children then return to school to do it again. I imagine principals would constrain themselves from adding "DUH!"

In junior high, my best friend since third grade brought a derringer to school and showed it to a kid who had been bullying him. I never saw him again. I was sad that he left, but I never questioned whether it was the right thing to do. No second chances for something like that made sense to me.

Bring back separate schools for the same reason.

We're having a PD day soon about safety; it's going to take everything in me not to scream "THE THREAT IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE"

People don't know. They don't understand.

It's like the old urban legend about "he's calling from your house!" Except that no matter how many times you tell them, they keep doing the same things that have led to the mass slaughters.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

There is a place for student in Special Ed who persistently misbehave and it is thought to be due to their disabilities. In Harris County, Texas it is called "Academic and Behavior School."

There are uniforms, metal detectors, searches, police on duty, a fence topped with barbed wire to protect the students from the nearby freeway, and strict rules about movement in the building. I visit whenever one of my students is assigned there.

First thing I noticed was the size of the teachers. The principle is built like a college linebacker and she is one of the smallest staffers there. If a student shows any physical resistance, including trying to walk out of class, he is captured by four teachers, one for each arm or leg and held on the ground until he expresses willingness to comply. Threats don't frighten those teachers.

In the past, if a parent fought a DAEP assignment, the principal would bring up ABS, which is for students who "can't help themselves" due to their disability. Unlike DAEP, they don't go there for a set number of days, but until they are deemed safe to return, in terms of physical safety and protection of undisrupted classrooms. When that is explained, DAEP doesn't look so bad.

Unfortunately, even in Texas we have liberal activists. They are trying to shut down ABS, which is a county run school. ABS has suspended taking new students and is trying to move existing students back to their districts.

So, we have nowhere to send them. DAEP is not much of a punishment for threatening the lives of teachers and students, but that's all we have. If there is a school shooting in the Houston area, and I suddenly stop posting, you'll know why. I'm a veteran and I'm not going to hide while my students are massacred.

I have friends working in an East Texas district a hundred miles up in the pineywoods from Houston.

The say they manually administer the proper encouragement to such children.

To threaten a teacher ends up in solid application of manual administration.

The application to a child who hit a teacher has ended all sorts of hitting for now by kids.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I have friends working in an East Texas district a hundred miles up in the pineywoods from Houston.

The say they manually administer the proper encouragement to such children.

To threaten a teacher ends up in solid application of manual administration.

The application to a child who hit a teacher has ended all sorts of hitting for now by kids.

Hard to argue with the efficacy of the manual administration method, then.

 

[Unkotare]

This is why if I’d had kids none of them would have seen a public school.
....

You would have kept the barn locked? Good idea to keep the half human, half pig creatures locked up.

 

[Unkotare]

I am told, on this forum, that it's stupid to be afraid of elementary children.
...

It's not stupid, it's ridiculously weak and cowardly.

 

[Unkotare]

...

I weigh well less than 100 lbs.

I have a male student, an older one, that is prone to violence and could probably kill me, not kidding. Special needs. I was told he only "shoves teachers" so not to worry about it. He is massive, well over 200 lbs.

GO GET ANOTHER JOB.

 

[Unkotare]

I'm sorry, I'm going to say it.

Bring back contained classrooms. Some children MUST have them, for the safety of themselves and others.

Bring back separate schools for the same reason.

We're having a PD day soon about safety; it's going to take everything in me not to scream "THE THREAT IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE"

People don't know. They don't understand.

Go get a job teaching the unborn. Maybe they are small enough for you to not be afraid of them.

 

[Seymour Flops]

It's not stupid, it's ridiculously weak and cowardly.

Really? Don't you teach high school?

If you were in an elementary class, what would you do that would not be ridiculously weak and cowardly when a fifth grader with "emotional disturbance starts cursing, and throwing objects from your shelves onto the floor, at classmates, and at you?

 

[SweetSue92]

Really? Don't you teach high school?

If you were in an elementary class, what would you do that would not be ridiculously weak and cowardly when a fifth grader with "emotional disturbance starts cursing, and throwing objects from your shelves onto the floor, at classmates, and at you?

In this idiot's world, all teachers must be big strong men, or exceptionally strong women, to teach.

He doesn't see a problem in this. It's not the behavior or the lack of consequences; we just need bigger teachers who will take actual physical abuse on the job.