One country in Europe understands the importance of the Right to own guns....

[ph3iron]

How many facts do you want. The USA is a violent country. Gun deaths are way higher here.
Just saw where you have 3x better chance of dying in homes which have guns.
How many baddies have you fought off hand to hand btw?

The killing of criminals and suicides do not count, that is called lying.
When you talk about things like this your finger is on the scale… Fact

How many cimminals killed at vegas?

How many criminals were killed in Paris, or Nice, France....?

By a group of terrorists? Or just by an individual who legally bought weapons for mass killing?

Terrorists, in countries that completely banned semi auto rifles....and completely banned fully automatic military rifles....those terrorists, on government terrorist watch lists and many convicted criminals, easily acquired fully automatic rifles and 30 round magazines....as well as banned pistols and hand grenades......

Oh...and a rental truck that was used to murder 89 people and injure 458.......let's not forget that...

Omg, trucks now!!!
Don't forget the deaths from shower falls
Maybe we should all own tanks
Btw are you over there battling?
Or here challenging. The downtown baddies?
You never do say

 

[2aguy]

Crime went down with the Bill Clinton crime bill and the gun control he passed. Now after years of declining gun control and increased concealed carry:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Keep lying.....it was old the first time you lied...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.




Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

 

[Rustic]

Here you go...the truth about gun deaths in the U.S...



Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015
Gun suicide... (Non Gun suicide...22,078)

22,018

Gun Accidental death.....
2015

489

==================

Gun murder ( 70-80% of the victims of gun murder are actual criminals, not law abiding people)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


2015--

9,616

=

So....out of 9,616 actual gun murders...if you take out the 80% that are criminals murdering other criminals...that leaves...

1,923 innocent people murdered with guns...in a country of over 320 million people, who own close to 600 million guns, and personally carry over 16.3 million for self defense...

Cars killed 35,616 people in 2015.........

You have no facts that support what you believe about guns and Americans...

How many facts do you want. The USA is a violent country. Gun deaths are way higher here.
Just saw where you have 3x better chance of dying in homes which have guns.
How many baddies have you fought off hand to hand btw?

The killing of criminals and suicides do not count, that is called lying.
When you talk about things like this your finger is on the scale… Fact

So only 20000 suicides and 2000 real white boy murders?
I feel a lotbetter now

Suicides have nothing to do with firearms… Coping with life is how some people decide to commit suicide.

Anything quick and easy is done more than something difficult. Guns sure make suicide quick and easy.

Na, Not really. Suicidal people have no common sense… They use whatever they have in front of them.
See: countries like Japan

Firearms have nothing to do with suicide rates… Anywhere

 

[Brain357]

How many facts do you want. The USA is a violent country. Gun deaths are way higher here.
Just saw where you have 3x better chance of dying in homes which have guns.
How many baddies have you fought off hand to hand btw?

And yet....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Concealed carry up and....

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

The increase has nothing to do with law abiding people carrying guns....you know this...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Yes....lying by ommission of truth, facts and reality....


The increase has nothing to do with law abiding people carrying guns....you know this...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Ferguson was because we have too many guns. Our law enforcement shoot too may people because we have guns everywhere.

 

[Brain357]

Crime went down with the Bill Clinton crime bill and the gun control he passed. Now after years of declining gun control and increased concealed carry:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Keep lying.....it was old the first time you lied...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.




Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Crime went down with the Bill Clinton crime bill and the gun control he passed. Now after years of declining gun control and increased concealed carry:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

 

[Rustic]

The killing of criminals and suicides do not count, that is called lying.
When you talk about things like this your finger is on the scale… Fact

How many cimminals killed at vegas?

How many criminals were killed in Paris, or Nice, France....?

By a group of terrorists? Or just by an individual who legally bought weapons for mass killing?

Terrorists, in countries that completely banned semi auto rifles....and completely banned fully automatic military rifles....those terrorists, on government terrorist watch lists and many convicted criminals, easily acquired fully automatic rifles and 30 round magazines....as well as banned pistols and hand grenades......

Oh...and a rental truck that was used to murder 89 people and injure 458.......let's not forget that...

Omg, trucks now!!!
Don't forget the deaths from shower falls
Maybe we should all own tanks
Btw are you over there battling?
Or here challenging. The downtown baddies?
You never do say

2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

You need to find a scarier boogie man… Here’s a list of things that are much more dangerous than firearms. Jack weed

 

[2aguy]

The killing of criminals and suicides do not count, that is called lying.
When you talk about things like this your finger is on the scale… Fact

How many cimminals killed at vegas?

How many criminals were killed in Paris, or Nice, France....?

By a group of terrorists? Or just by an individual who legally bought weapons for mass killing?

Shit happens, what are your chances of getting killed by a mass shooter? I would quess you have more of a chance of spontaneously combusting in your safe place then getting killed by a mass shooter using an ar sporting rifle... snowflake

The chance of our police being shot and killed sure is higher than other places.

Funny....of the two of us....actual police officers agree with my side.....

Police Gun Control Survey: Are legally-armed citizens the best solution to gun violence?




Instead, it is interesting to note that many respondents consider armed citizens as a potential asset in reducing the carnage from a mass murder situation; proactive choices dominate over gun and magazine restrictions and bans.

More than 91 percent of respondents support the concealed carry of firearms by civilians who have not been convicted of a felony and/or not been deemed psychologically/medically incapable.

A full 86 percent feel that casualties would have been reduced or avoided in recent tragedies like Newtown and Aurora if a legally-armed citizen was present (casualties reduced: 80 percent; avoided altogether: 60 percent).

 

[Rustic]

And yet....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Concealed carry up and....

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

The increase has nothing to do with law abiding people carrying guns....you know this...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Yes....lying by ommission of truth, facts and reality....


The increase has nothing to do with law abiding people carrying guns....you know this...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Ferguson was because we have too many guns. Our law enforcement shoot too may people because we have guns everywhere.

Na, Michael brown deserved to die because he was a punk ass hoodlum… A gangbanger want to be piece of shit...
The same could be said for tray von Martin. Quit being a *****

 

[Brain357]

How many cimminals killed at vegas?

How many criminals were killed in Paris, or Nice, France....?

By a group of terrorists? Or just by an individual who legally bought weapons for mass killing?

Terrorists, in countries that completely banned semi auto rifles....and completely banned fully automatic military rifles....those terrorists, on government terrorist watch lists and many convicted criminals, easily acquired fully automatic rifles and 30 round magazines....as well as banned pistols and hand grenades......

Oh...and a rental truck that was used to murder 89 people and injure 458.......let's not forget that...

Omg, trucks now!!!
Don't forget the deaths from shower falls
Maybe we should all own tanks
Btw are you over there battling?
Or here challenging. The downtown baddies?
You never do say

2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

You need to find a scarier boogie man… Here’s a list of things that are much more dangerous than firearms. Jack weed

And of those things we have them all in common with the rest of the world. Except for gun deaths, they fixed that. You want us to focus on what can't be solved and ignore what can.

 

[2aguy]

And yet....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Concealed carry up and....

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

The increase has nothing to do with law abiding people carrying guns....you know this...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Yes....lying by ommission of truth, facts and reality....


The increase has nothing to do with law abiding people carrying guns....you know this...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Ferguson was because we have too many guns. Our law enforcement shoot too may people because we have guns everywhere.

Yeah......you shouldn't start drinking this early.....it makes you even more stupid than you already are....

The thug attacked a police officer.......and that had anything to do with guns how?

 

[Brain357]

How many cimminals killed at vegas?

How many criminals were killed in Paris, or Nice, France....?

By a group of terrorists? Or just by an individual who legally bought weapons for mass killing?

Shit happens, what are your chances of getting killed by a mass shooter? I would quess you have more of a chance of spontaneously combusting in your safe place then getting killed by a mass shooter using an ar sporting rifle... snowflake

The chance of our police being shot and killed sure is higher than other places.

Funny....of the two of us....actual police officers agree with my side.....

Police Gun Control Survey: Are legally-armed citizens the best solution to gun violence?




Instead, it is interesting to note that many respondents consider armed citizens as a potential asset in reducing the carnage from a mass murder situation; proactive choices dominate over gun and magazine restrictions and bans.

More than 91 percent of respondents support the concealed carry of firearms by civilians who have not been convicted of a felony and/or not been deemed psychologically/medically incapable.

A full 86 percent feel that casualties would have been reduced or avoided in recent tragedies like Newtown and Aurora if a legally-armed citizen was present (casualties reduced: 80 percent; avoided altogether: 60 percent).

And a week never goes by without a dead cop shot. They will figure it out.

 

[Brain357]

Concealed carry up and....

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

The increase has nothing to do with law abiding people carrying guns....you know this...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Yes....lying by ommission of truth, facts and reality....


The increase has nothing to do with law abiding people carrying guns....you know this...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Ferguson was because we have too many guns. Our law enforcement shoot too may people because we have guns everywhere.

Yeah......you shouldn't start drinking this early.....it makes you even more stupid than you already are....

The thug attacked a police officer.......and that had anything to do with guns how?

And thugs were shot for years with no riots. This one was really no different, except the people had finally had enough. Too many people shot because we have too many guns.

 

[2aguy]

How many criminals were killed in Paris, or Nice, France....?

By a group of terrorists? Or just by an individual who legally bought weapons for mass killing?

Terrorists, in countries that completely banned semi auto rifles....and completely banned fully automatic military rifles....those terrorists, on government terrorist watch lists and many convicted criminals, easily acquired fully automatic rifles and 30 round magazines....as well as banned pistols and hand grenades......

Oh...and a rental truck that was used to murder 89 people and injure 458.......let's not forget that...

Omg, trucks now!!!
Don't forget the deaths from shower falls
Maybe we should all own tanks
Btw are you over there battling?
Or here challenging. The downtown baddies?
You never do say

2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

You need to find a scarier boogie man… Here’s a list of things that are much more dangerous than firearms. Jack weed

And of those things we have them all in common with the rest of the world. Except for gun deaths, they fixed that. You want us to focus on what can't be solved and ignore what can.

If by fixed that you mean they banned guns....and now they have more gun crime and violent crime than ever before....and their homicide rates are going up....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

 

[Brain357]

How many cimminals killed at vegas?

How many criminals were killed in Paris, or Nice, France....?

By a group of terrorists? Or just by an individual who legally bought weapons for mass killing?

Shit happens, what are your chances of getting killed by a mass shooter? I would quess you have more of a chance of spontaneously combusting in your safe place then getting killed by a mass shooter using an ar sporting rifle... snowflake

The chance of our police being shot and killed sure is higher than other places.

Funny....of the two of us....actual police officers agree with my side.....

Police Gun Control Survey: Are legally-armed citizens the best solution to gun violence?




Instead, it is interesting to note that many respondents consider armed citizens as a potential asset in reducing the carnage from a mass murder situation; proactive choices dominate over gun and magazine restrictions and bans.

More than 91 percent of respondents support the concealed carry of firearms by civilians who have not been convicted of a felony and/or not been deemed psychologically/medically incapable.

A full 86 percent feel that casualties would have been reduced or avoided in recent tragedies like Newtown and Aurora if a legally-armed citizen was present (casualties reduced: 80 percent; avoided altogether: 60 percent).

US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

 

[Rustic]

How many criminals were killed in Paris, or Nice, France....?

By a group of terrorists? Or just by an individual who legally bought weapons for mass killing?

Shit happens, what are your chances of getting killed by a mass shooter? I would quess you have more of a chance of spontaneously combusting in your safe place then getting killed by a mass shooter using an ar sporting rifle... snowflake

The chance of our police being shot and killed sure is higher than other places.

Funny....of the two of us....actual police officers agree with my side.....

Police Gun Control Survey: Are legally-armed citizens the best solution to gun violence?




Instead, it is interesting to note that many respondents consider armed citizens as a potential asset in reducing the carnage from a mass murder situation; proactive choices dominate over gun and magazine restrictions and bans.

More than 91 percent of respondents support the concealed carry of firearms by civilians who have not been convicted of a felony and/or not been deemed psychologically/medically incapable.

A full 86 percent feel that casualties would have been reduced or avoided in recent tragedies like Newtown and Aurora if a legally-armed citizen was present (casualties reduced: 80 percent; avoided altogether: 60 percent).

And a week never goes by without a dead cop shot. They will figure it out.

Criminals do not obey laws, hence is why they are called criminals. Frivolous gun control laws are a fools errand

 

[Rustic]

How many criminals were killed in Paris, or Nice, France....?

By a group of terrorists? Or just by an individual who legally bought weapons for mass killing?

Shit happens, what are your chances of getting killed by a mass shooter? I would quess you have more of a chance of spontaneously combusting in your safe place then getting killed by a mass shooter using an ar sporting rifle... snowflake

The chance of our police being shot and killed sure is higher than other places.

Funny....of the two of us....actual police officers agree with my side.....

Police Gun Control Survey: Are legally-armed citizens the best solution to gun violence?




Instead, it is interesting to note that many respondents consider armed citizens as a potential asset in reducing the carnage from a mass murder situation; proactive choices dominate over gun and magazine restrictions and bans.

More than 91 percent of respondents support the concealed carry of firearms by civilians who have not been convicted of a felony and/or not been deemed psychologically/medically incapable.

A full 86 percent feel that casualties would have been reduced or avoided in recent tragedies like Newtown and Aurora if a legally-armed citizen was present (casualties reduced: 80 percent; avoided altogether: 60 percent).

US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

Because we have more criminals, and no real criminal control in this country…

 

[Brain357]

By a group of terrorists? Or just by an individual who legally bought weapons for mass killing?

Terrorists, in countries that completely banned semi auto rifles....and completely banned fully automatic military rifles....those terrorists, on government terrorist watch lists and many convicted criminals, easily acquired fully automatic rifles and 30 round magazines....as well as banned pistols and hand grenades......

Oh...and a rental truck that was used to murder 89 people and injure 458.......let's not forget that...

Omg, trucks now!!!
Don't forget the deaths from shower falls
Maybe we should all own tanks
Btw are you over there battling?
Or here challenging. The downtown baddies?
You never do say

2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

You need to find a scarier boogie man… Here’s a list of things that are much more dangerous than firearms. Jack weed

And of those things we have them all in common with the rest of the world. Except for gun deaths, they fixed that. You want us to focus on what can't be solved and ignore what can.

If by fixed that you mean they banned guns....and now they have more gun crime and violent crime than ever before....and their homicide rates are going up....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

Among countries ranked by total gross domestic product, rate of death by firearm assaults in the U.S. was more than 10 times higher than the next four highest countries combined, according to data from the Global Burden of Disease. Those four countries are China, Japan, Germany and the U.K.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...s-global-leader-in-gun-violence-and-ownership

 

[Brain357]

By a group of terrorists? Or just by an individual who legally bought weapons for mass killing?

Shit happens, what are your chances of getting killed by a mass shooter? I would quess you have more of a chance of spontaneously combusting in your safe place then getting killed by a mass shooter using an ar sporting rifle... snowflake

The chance of our police being shot and killed sure is higher than other places.

Funny....of the two of us....actual police officers agree with my side.....

Police Gun Control Survey: Are legally-armed citizens the best solution to gun violence?




Instead, it is interesting to note that many respondents consider armed citizens as a potential asset in reducing the carnage from a mass murder situation; proactive choices dominate over gun and magazine restrictions and bans.

More than 91 percent of respondents support the concealed carry of firearms by civilians who have not been convicted of a felony and/or not been deemed psychologically/medically incapable.

A full 86 percent feel that casualties would have been reduced or avoided in recent tragedies like Newtown and Aurora if a legally-armed citizen was present (casualties reduced: 80 percent; avoided altogether: 60 percent).

US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

Because we have more criminals, and no real criminal control in this country…

Yes, U.S. locks people up at a higher rate than any other country

 

[Rustic]

Terrorists, in countries that completely banned semi auto rifles....and completely banned fully automatic military rifles....those terrorists, on government terrorist watch lists and many convicted criminals, easily acquired fully automatic rifles and 30 round magazines....as well as banned pistols and hand grenades......

Oh...and a rental truck that was used to murder 89 people and injure 458.......let's not forget that...

Omg, trucks now!!!
Don't forget the deaths from shower falls
Maybe we should all own tanks
Btw are you over there battling?
Or here challenging. The downtown baddies?
You never do say

2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

You need to find a scarier boogie man… Here’s a list of things that are much more dangerous than firearms. Jack weed

And of those things we have them all in common with the rest of the world. Except for gun deaths, they fixed that. You want us to focus on what can't be solved and ignore what can.

If by fixed that you mean they banned guns....and now they have more gun crime and violent crime than ever before....and their homicide rates are going up....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

Among countries ranked by total gross domestic product, rate of death by firearm assaults in the U.S. was more than 10 times higher than the next four highest countries combined, according to data from the Global Burden of Disease. Those four countries are China, Japan, Germany and the U.K.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...s-global-leader-in-gun-violence-and-ownership

Only in progressive controlled areas, violent crime is almost nonexistent in conservative areas of the country. Fact

 

[2aguy]

Terrorists, in countries that completely banned semi auto rifles....and completely banned fully automatic military rifles....those terrorists, on government terrorist watch lists and many convicted criminals, easily acquired fully automatic rifles and 30 round magazines....as well as banned pistols and hand grenades......

Oh...and a rental truck that was used to murder 89 people and injure 458.......let's not forget that...

Omg, trucks now!!!
Don't forget the deaths from shower falls
Maybe we should all own tanks
Btw are you over there battling?
Or here challenging. The downtown baddies?
You never do say

2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

You need to find a scarier boogie man… Here’s a list of things that are much more dangerous than firearms. Jack weed

And of those things we have them all in common with the rest of the world. Except for gun deaths, they fixed that. You want us to focus on what can't be solved and ignore what can.

If by fixed that you mean they banned guns....and now they have more gun crime and violent crime than ever before....and their homicide rates are going up....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

Among countries ranked by total gross domestic product, rate of death by firearm assaults in the U.S. was more than 10 times higher than the next four highest countries combined, according to data from the Global Burden of Disease. Those four countries are China, Japan, Germany and the U.K.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...s-global-leader-in-gun-violence-and-ownership

And Europe murdered 12 million people in gas chambers.....averaging those murders out, we don't even come close to their insanity...at least criminals in the U.S. murder each other for personal gain, mass murdering innocent men, women and children....that is a European practice that our gun ownership keeps from happening....