On the Very Day Biden was Sworn in, the National Archives Started the Trump Documents Nonsense

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

And Biden was never president, why was it ok for him to have unsecured top secret documents in his garage?

It was not, his people discovered them, and immediately self reported.

Trump could not do that because he believed everything is his. Then lied, then cried, and then obstructed.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Biden knew he had the documents prior to his attorney’s finding the documents and likely advising him to come forward. In other words, he only came forward when he had been caught. Spin some more.

Evidence, please.

 

[excalibur]

But they waited how many years to get documents back from Biden that he was NEVER entitled to have? 6, 7 years I believe?

But we know, you don't think its a threat to national security to have top secret documents unsecured in a garage with a 67 Corvette that ANYONE had access to who went into that house. Just Trump, with documents at Mar a Lago that were kept under lock and key and under strict security at all times. Yea, THOSE are the documents we are worried about.

And they NEVER tried to get the Clinton sock-drawer tapes, which contain classified information.

In fact, Clinton said they were personal, the Archive said nothing we can do about it, the DoJ argued favorably on behalf of Clinton in Federal Court, and the Court agreed with Clinton and the DoJ.

Also, no one ever did a thing regarding Reagan's copious daily diary, which contains classified information.

 

[excalibur]

Because they didn't know he had them until Biden reported them himself. On the other hand, people knew Trump stole his boxes of documents the day he did it.



Um, Trump kept his boxes in a bathroom, in a club that was open to the public. That's not very secure, yo. He was also showing them to people like Kid Rock, who I am pretty sure doesn't have a security clearance. (And his music sucks!)

Nope, not how that happened.

Biden was reading classified info to his biographer, who then destroyed the tape recordings of Biden when the Biden classified issue became a matter of the public record. That's when the matter first became public, when people found out from the biographer.

Biden was forced [embarrassed] into allowing a search, which he resisted at first, when he and Garland decided to make the Trump documents a court matter. Even then, Biden still held documents in other places, where they were unsecure for years, were sent via regular courier, and some had spent time in DC's Chinatown, etc., etc., etc.

 

[excalibur]

Biden's attorney's found the documents.

By Lawyer-Client privilege, the lawyer was not under any obligation to report them to anyone but Biden. But Biden fessed up, said he had them, and appointed a partisan special prosecutor to investigate. Said prosecutor had to admit he had no case, and decided to slander Biden personally for no other reason than being a partisan sleaze.

Here's the reality. Biden didn't pack his own boxes when moving. Some GS-10 probably did that, and packed the documents in the wrong box.

that's it.

Nope, Biden read some of them to his biographer. The biographer then destroyed the evidence by destroying the tapes when the matter went public.

Mark Zwonitzer worked with Biden on two memoirs, 2007’s “Promises to Keep” and “Promise Me, Dad,” which was published 10 years later.

According to a report released Thursday by special counsel Robert Hur, Biden was sloppy in his handling of classified material found at his home and former office, and shared classified information contained in some of them with Zwonitzer while the two were working on the Biden’s second book.​

How the ghostwriter of Biden's memoirs ended up in the center of a classified documents probe

President Joe Biden worked so closely with ghostwriter Mark Zwonitzer that he is accused of sharing government secrets with him.

apnews.com

 

[DBA]

Did he? YOu would think if he knew he had them, he'd have done a better job of hiding them.

Nobody said he was smart, but he knew he had them as did his ghost writer. You keep leaving that part out.

So you have a guy who had a few documents filed by accident, that no one knew was missing, and did all the due diligence things that you should do when finding one.

He did no due diligence until his attorney's told him that he needed to come clean. He was either a) too stupid to know that he wasn't supposed to have them back when he was reading from them to his ghost writer, b) forgot about them the moment he set them down or c) didn't care. Likely a little bit of all.

Compared to- a guy who stole documents,

He was President and had the authority to declassify on whim. He didn't steal anything. Biden was not president. There is that.

 

[DBA]

Evidence, please.

I don't know, the special counsel's report. That not good enough for you?

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

Biden's attorney's found the documents.

By Lawyer-Client privilege, the lawyer was not under any obligation to report them to anyone but Biden. But Biden fessed up, said he had them, and appointed a partisan special prosecutor to investigate. Said prosecutor had to admit he had no case, and decided to slander Biden personally for no other reason than being a partisan sleaze.

Here's the reality. Biden didn't pack his own boxes when moving. Some GS-10 probably did that, and packed the documents in the wrong box.

that's it.

Your a partisan hack , and a moron joe.

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

It was not, his people discovered them, and immediately self reported.

Trump could not do that because he believed everything is his. Then lied, then cried, and then obstructed.

Immediately self reported after a decade or so . G. F. Y.

 

[DBA]

Immediately self reported after a decade or so . G. F. Y.

I'm not so sure that these people actually believe the crap they post. They get their marching orders from the MSM and don't bother to actually think at all for themselves. They just regurgitate.

 

[JoeB131]

He was President and had the authority to declassify on whim. He didn't steal anything. Biden was not president. There is that.

Except he didn't declassify them.

Presidents aren't kings. There's a process for declassification.

I don't know, the special counsel's report. That not good enough for you?

The one where he admitted he had no case? And then lied about the contents of his interview?

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

Except he didn't declassify them.

Presidents aren't kings. There's a process for declassification.


The one where he admitted he had no case? And then lied about the contents of his interview?

What authority did Joe have joe? Let's hear it fool.

 

[DBA]

Except he didn't declassify them.

Presidents aren't kings. There's a process for declassification.

Wrong. There is no protocol that a sitting President must follow to declassify documents. They may follow a certain protocol, but it is not mandatory.

The one where he admitted he had no case? And then lied about the contents of his interview?

Ah, so now you don't believe the special counsel report. I love it how Democrats always have an excuse to justify their bad behavior and crimes. There is no evidence that will suffice to appease you in these cases. You still claim that Hunter's laptop was not his. You are hopeless.

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong. There is no protocol that a sitting President must follow to declassify documents. They may follow a certain protocol, but it is not mandatory.

Actually, there's a very specific protocol, in that he has to first inform the agency that classified the document, and they produce an impact report.

Such as, if you show our nuclear launch codes to Kid Rock what would be the impact if he incorporated them into a shitty song lyric?

Ah, so now you don't believe the special counsel report. I love it how Democrats always have an excuse to justify their bad behavior and crimes. There is no evidence that will suffice to appease you in these cases. You still claim that Hunter's laptop was not his. You are hopeless.

I'm usually not a fan of Special Counsels in general, and have been very critical of ones who have gone after Republicans, such as Lawrence Walsh (who prosecuted Cap Weinberger for not calling his meeting notes a diary) or Patrick Fitzgerald (who prosecuted Scooter Libby for not remembering a conversation the same way Tim Russert did.)

In this case, we have no evidence the Biden personally packed those boxes, where a few documents were mixed in with dozens of others. He reported them as soon as they were identified and fully cooperated even though he was CURRENTLY the sitting president and his possession of them was really not at issue.

Hur couldn't prove "intent", and admitted in his report that what Trump did was far worse. if he left it there, no issue, but he couldn't help himself and decided to throw in a few jabs at the President, including bringing up his dead son, which frankly, is pretty fucking tacky.

 

[DBA]

Actually, there's a very specific protocol, in that he has to first inform the agency that classified the document, and they produce an impact report.

No, there is not a law that a sitting President has to follow any protocol when declassifying documents. Please site any law that states this. Good luck, you won't find one.

In this case, we have no evidence the Biden personally packed those boxes, where a few documents were mixed in with dozens of others. He reported them as soon as they were identified and fully cooperated even though he was CURRENTLY the sitting president and his possession of them was really not at issue.

I don't care who packed them. Biden did not report them as soon as they were identified. He read directly from them and even skipped the classified sections when interviewed by his biographer. He didn't report them at that time. This is a fact, not an opinion.

Hur couldn't prove "intent",

Right, because Biden's mental state is curious enough that intent would be difficult to prove to a jury. In other words, Biden may be perceived as too demented to have purposefully hidden the documents. If the man had his wits about him, he would have been recommended for prosecution. Yeah, that is quite a ringing endorsement for a sitting US President.

 

[JoeB131]

No, there is not a law that a sitting President has to follow any protocol when declassifying documents. Please site any law that states this. Good luck, you won't find one.

Let me help you out, Cleetus.

Government Classification and the Mar-a-Lago Documents

Understanding how the classification system works is critical to understanding Trump’s culpability — legal and otherwise.

www.brennancenter.org

As with classification, declassification is a two-step process. First, an authorized official must determine that the information no longer requires protection. Second, that determination must be communicated so that the protections are removed. Accordingly, when a decision has been made to declassify information, it must be marked as declassified. If the declassification affects an entire category of information, the agency’s classification guide must be updated accordingly. If it is narrower, the decision may be captured in a declassification guide — although often, the consultation process that accompanies a declassification decision is sufficient to alert the necessary personnel.

For the most part, the rules for classification and declassification are set forth in presidential executive orders, along with regulations issued by the Information Security Oversight Office — an office within the National Archives and Records Administration — implementing those orders. Most presidents, dating back to the beginning of the modern classification system in the 1940s, have issued their own executive orders on classification. Trump was an exception, issuing no order on this subject. President Biden has not yet issued an executive order on classification (although there are reports that one is underway), so the order currently in place is the one issued by President Obama in 2009.

I don't care who packed them. Biden did not report them as soon as they were identified. He read directly from them and even skipped the classified sections when interviewed by his biographer. He didn't report them at that time. This is a fact, not an opinion.

No, it's an opinion. He didn't share classified info with his ghostwriter.

Right, because Biden's mental state is curious enough that intent would be difficult to prove to a jury. In other words, Biden may be perceived as too demented to have purposefully hidden the documents. If the man had his wits about him, he would have been recommended for prosecution. Yeah, that is quite a ringing endorsement for a sitting US President.

Again, Robert Hur didn't seem to have his wits about him when Congress ripped him a new on for his lies and commissions.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

And they NEVER tried to get the Clinton sock-drawer tapes, which contain classified information.

In fact, Clinton said they were personal, the Archive said nothing we can do about it, the DoJ argued favorably on behalf of Clinton in Federal Court, and the Court agreed with Clinton and the DoJ.

Also, no one ever did a thing regarding Reagan's copious daily diary, which contains classified information.

Your whataboutism just does not fly, period.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

DBA's nonsense is shot down again.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I don't know, the special counsel's report. That not good enough for you?

You have to spell it out, but you never do.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Immediately self reported after a decade or so . G. F. Y.

Once found, yes. When Donald was caught, he replied, "The fault is Whodatsaywhodat.:"