On guns: "Do the right thing!"

[petro]

NRA is evil

This was no NRA member...

Put the blame where it belongs.
On a demented individual that our permissive society seems to making a lot of the last three decades.

This shit is far deeper than guns.

 

[tyroneweaver]

What is the "right thing"?

Lay it out there *biden, we're waiting.

he has congress, the senate and the presidency and he won't do a dang thing but listen to those dems caterwaul

 

[tyroneweaver]

No American citizens should have access to these wmds

molon labe

 

[night_son]

If it's a function of mental illness, and the availability of firearms plays no part, then why do we have a higher murder rate than other developed nations?

We're at 4.96 per 100,000, right between Cuba and Kenya. India is at 3.08; Canada, 1.76; UK and France are at 1.2. Germany 0.95, Italy 0.57, Japan 0.26.

What else is different between us and all of them?

At least ninety percent of American gun violence is committed by inner-city criminals—narco-terrorists, gangbangers, drug dealers and so on. Go right ahead and pass laws that essentially ban repeating firearms. All that will change as a result is the immediate lack of your average American's ability to defend himself, which he will no longer have. In Germany for instance fathers desperate to defend their families buy air guns and crossbows and fashion spears. In the event of a home invasion by armed assailants those fathers and their families will die. Americans will never surrender their ability to fight back effectively, both against criminal scum and government thugs. Bank on it.

 

[Woodznutz]

Why do you think everything is a gun ban? Anything restricting guns in any way will never get a republican vote. This thread is pointless. Nothing can ever be done about this.

And there will be more school shootings, and likely worse.

 

[Winco]

What a piece of shit.

You define 'a piece of shit'

We

Need

Machine guns

Tough guy on a message board.
That is your thing.

 

[Missourian]

If it's a function of mental illness, and the availability of firearms plays no part, then why do we have a higher murder rate than other developed nations?

We're at 4.96 per 100,000, right between Cuba and Kenya. India is at 3.08; Canada, 1.76; UK and France are at 1.2. Germany 0.95, Italy 0.57, Japan 0.26.

What else is different between us and all of them?

We always have.

This is our US homicide and suicide rates from 1900 to 1950... Back when every country had guns.

Don't ask me why our homicide rate has consistently been higher than Europe... but that's the way it's always been.

Prohibition: US homicide and suicide rate 1900-1950 | Statista

Once described by US President Herbert Hoover as "a great social and economic experiment", we now know that Prohibition was ultimately a failure, that led to increased crime and violence and gave way to a new era of mafia and mob influence in the United States.

www.statista.com

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

We

Need

Machine guns

Factory fresh brand spanking new
Until then our civil rights are being trampled

 

[Quasar44]

If we take away guns then all this no nonsense will stop

 

[Pellinore]

We always have.

This is our US homicide and suicide rates from 1900 to 1950... Back when every country had guns.

Don't ask me why our homicide rate has consistently been higher than Europe... but that's the way it's always been.

Prohibition: US homicide and suicide rate 1900-1950 | Statista

Once described by US President Herbert Hoover as "a great social and economic experiment", we now know that Prohibition was ultimately a failure, that led to increased crime and violence and gave way to a new era of mafia and mob influence in the United States.

www.statista.com

Those numbers are in the 10-15 range. It was at 90 in the 90s, and is still at almost 50 now.

Since there's nothing else that leaps out, I think we should at least consider that it's because there are more guns here than people.

 

[Missourian]

Those numbers are in the 10-15 range. It was at 90 in the 90s, and is still at almost 50 now.

Since there's nothing else that leaps out, I think we should at least consider that it's because there are more guns here than people.

Say what?

You need to read that again.

From 1920 to 1940 the homicide rate was the same as in the 90s.


The homicide rate today is lower than it was from 1940 to 1950.

In 2018 the homicide rate was about half of what it was in 1920s, 30s, 40s and 90s...4.8 per 100,000 residents.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

In the 1960’s, we had a couple of notorious mass murders that involved knives more than guns. Our high school had a rifle club. Pretty common. No school shootings in spite of that. So guns aren’t the issue.
The only thing that has changed is the culture. Drug abuse is celebrated and legalized and family structure depleted.
That about sums it up.

 

[Pellinore]

Say what?

You need to read that again.

From 1920 to 1940 the homicide rate was the same as in the 90s.


The homicide rate today is lower than it was from 1940 to 1950.

In 2018 the homicide rate was about half of what it was in 1920s, 30s, 40s and 90s...4.8 per 100,000 residents.

Oh! Yeah, you're right; I misread that.

Forget that part, but my second sentence still holds up.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Our tired, bedraggled old President brought out the oldest, tiredest, emptiest Leftist comment, in his lame attempt to comfort the country in the wake of this horrific school shooting today.

He claims that "we" have to have the courage to "do the right thing" on guns.

And yet...the Left never comes up with any suggestion that would have had the slightest impact on the shooting that he is supposed to be addressing.

Ban "assault" weapons? Pure idiocy. An assault weapon is a single-shot firearm, just like a deer rifle. No more lethal than a deer rifle. But it looks scary. Biden claimed that when "assault weapons" were banned, mass shootings dropped by some absurd fraction. I'd really like to see the data that supports that statement.

This is not confirmed, but I've heard that the punk in Texas used a pistol and a long rifle. Not an "assault weapon." What does our addled President suggest? Apparently, he could not have purchased a handgun from a licensed dealer in Texas at his age.

Lefties never really grasp the fact that Bad Guys don't obey the law, so outlawing things often accomplishes nothing.

I just watched a video this morning of Joe Biden, in 1988, angrily telling a constituent that he graduated with three bachelor's degrees, went to law school on a full scholarship, and graduated near the top of his class...all of which were lies. Blatant, knowing lies, because he knew that the people hearing him had no way of verifying what he was saying in that moment.

What a piece of shit.

The left has come up with loads of suggestions. You just don't want to hear them.

 

[j-mac]

The left has come up with loads of suggestions. You just don't want to hear them.

Maybe if they didn’t try to demonize the millions of lawful citizens gun owners, and disarm the population which you know is impossible.
We have to harden our schools further, and focus on mental health instead of paying lip service.

 

[scruffy]

The left has come up with loads of suggestions. You just don't want to hear them.

Yeah, all kinds of unconstitutional solutions, as usual

 

[August West]

Say what?

You need to read that again.

From 1920 to 1940 the homicide rate was the same as in the 90s.


The homicide rate today is lower than it was from 1940 to 1950.

In 2018 the homicide rate was about half of what it was in 1920s, 30s, 40s and 90s...4.8 per 100,000 residents.

Were we having weekly mass shootings in those days?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Maybe if they didn’t try to demonize the millions of lawful citizens gun owners, and disarm the population which you know is impossible.
We have to harden our schools further, and focus on mental health instead of paying lip service.

It's not "impossible".

However the problem is that the gun lobby will use any argument to get what it wants.

Like "it's impossible to take guns away" and "you're demonizing gun owners".

Mental health services aren't going to get better because the US political system is messed up. Politicians don't care about real issues because real issues don't get you elected.

People don't have a real choice of who they vote for, they get Republican or Democrat, and both are nonsense.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The price of being intractable about anything concerning guns is a classroom full of kids every now and then. It's a price the gun lobby and the right is quite comfortable with. Your hopes and prayers are insulting.

You're goddamn right.

Eat a fat dick.

We need better weapons. Machine guns.

 

[tyroneweaver]

In the 1960’s, we had a couple of notorious mass murders that involved knives more than guns. Our high school had a rifle club. Pretty common. No school shootings in spite of that. So guns aren’t the issue.
The only thing that has changed is the culture. Drug abuse is celebrated and legalized and family structure depleted.
That about sums it up.

The local high school has a trap club
The state champion is a girl