Old Technology could breath new life into Restaurants and other close contact businesses...

Old Technology could breath new life into Restaurants and other close contact businesses...
Narrow band UV bulbs are safe for human exposure if it is monitored and intermittent.
EUV shorter than 100nm burns skin for a reason. I for one don't want to live in a laboratory all my life. You are talking about a major investment for a business to do all of that. Worse, living in a sterile environment actually LOWERS your resistance and immunity making you more susceptible and dependent within that environment!
LOL

Mom used to encourage us kids to eat dirt.... "Go out and play"


Your point is well taken. Where is the happy medium? There is really no perfect answer for this. I guess isolating those who are most suceptible is the primary answer but how do we slow the spread until we gain herd immunity while not killing ourselves?
My dad used to tell me that when he was a kid out playing in the woods, that the old timers taught them that in the Springtime when the poison ivy was first starting to grow that all the kids would eat the first leaves and in his whole life, he never got poison ivy!
 
Old Technology could breath new life into Restaurants and other close contact businesses...
Narrow band UV bulbs are safe for human exposure if it is monitored and intermittent.
EUV shorter than 100nm burns skin for a reason. I for one don't want to live in a laboratory all my life. You are talking about a major investment for a business to do all of that. Worse, living in a sterile environment actually LOWERS your resistance and immunity making you more susceptible and dependent within that environment!
You are damned if you do...........damned if you don't...........

If a REAL PANDEMIC COMES.........and these systems don't have them.........well we aren't gonna have enough body bags to stack the dead.

This one is turning out to be only slightly worse than the dang Flu.
This was a real pandemic that if left to burn uncontrolled would have killed millions. This was handled the best way we could given our circumstances. Given our current information, rate of spread, severity of infections, those who were affected, had it gone unchecked, the number of dead would be very high. There was never going to be a win or killing of this virus. it was going to run its course and the only thing we could do is slow it so we could manage the illnesses and not get overwhelmed.
 
Old Technology could breath new life into Restaurants and other close contact businesses...

In a Duh moment several of my colleagues and I may have just come up with a plan to allow close contact businesses to function safely.

Hospitals use what is called a negative pressure room for patients who have infectious diseases. These operate on specific air flow patterns, controlled humidity, and UV lights which the air is pulled through to kill any virus.

Several Companies manufacture UV lights to be used above head high with slow updraft fans to kill the viruses in the air. They run about $175.00 and two can cover a room that is 100' X 30'. A series of these lights and fans in any restaurant could effectively capture and kill viruses that are airborne. These lights can also be fitted with covers that open automatically to the floor and seating areas every hour to kill surface viruses if the narrow band UV bulb is used.

Narrow band UV bulbs are safe for human exposure if it is monitored and intermittent.

We can add to this structured air flows so that air is drawn downward at walls and floor level around the room. This would pull the viruses downward to the floor where the air handler can push them out above the lights after filtration. You could also incorporate a High Output Light chamber (these are kind of pricey) to disinfect the air rapidly as it passes through the chamber. These were used in TB segregation wards so that the staff was not breathing the same air as the patients.

The technology is out there to bring America back on line quickly. The simple light and circulation fans can be installed in a day.


The hippies were right, with the black lights all over the place.
 
Lets all go to the lobby...
Lets all go to the lobby...
Lets all go to the lobby...

To get ourselves some snacks :banana:
Damn, I suddenly have an intense craving to go to a Drive In theater. We have one here on the outskirts of town in Valparaiso, Indiana. I went there quite a few times when our parents took us there in the early to mid 1970's, and I went there once by riding my bike!?! and met my friend there, who biked MUCH farther than I did, to see Jaws in the summer of 1976. They let us in, we sat at a bench by the food stand, with plenty of speakers surrounding us. I haven't been back since, but probably WILL go again as soon as they re-open. Thanks for bringing back fond memories of this. I also went to Drive In theaters quite a few times when I lived in the Phoenix, Arizona area. These trips all occurred in the 1980's except for the last time, around 1997, when I saw the first Scream film.
There's a drive-in theater across the road from Franklin Roosevelt's home.
 
Old Technology could breath new life into Restaurants and other close contact businesses...

In a Duh moment several of my colleagues and I may have just come up with a plan to allow close contact businesses to function safely.

Hospitals use what is called a negative pressure room for patients who have infectious diseases. These operate on specific air flow patterns, controlled humidity, and UV lights which the air is pulled through to kill any virus.

Several Companies manufacture UV lights to be used above head high with slow updraft fans to kill the viruses in the air. They run about $175.00 and two can cover a room that is 100' X 30'. A series of these lights and fans in any restaurant could effectively capture and kill viruses that are airborne. These lights can also be fitted with covers that open automatically to the floor and seating areas every hour to kill surface viruses if the narrow band UV bulb is used.

Narrow band UV bulbs are safe for human exposure if it is monitored and intermittent.

We can add to this structured air flows so that air is drawn downward at walls and floor level around the room. This would pull the viruses downward to the floor where the air handler can push them out above the lights after filtration. You could also incorporate a High Output Light chamber (these are kind of pricey) to disinfect the air rapidly as it passes through the chamber. These were used in TB segregation wards so that the staff was not breathing the same air as the patients.

The technology is out there to bring America back on line quickly. The simple light and circulation fans can be installed in a day.

Maybe, maybe not to the point of UVC Lighting to kill Corona: There is also a third type: UVC. This relatively obscure part of the spectrum consists of a shorter, more energetic wavelength of light. It is particularly good at destroying genetic material – whether in humans or viral particles. Luckily, most of us are unlikely to have ever encountered any. That’s because it’s filtered out by ozone in the atmosphere long before it reaches our fragile skin.
However, it's not quite as good as we might have hoped. In a recent study – which looked at whether UVC could be used to disinfect PPE – the authors found that, while it is possible to kill the virus this way, in one experiment it needed the highest exposure out of hundreds of viruses that have been looked at so far. The amount of ultraviolet required varied widely, depending on factors such as the shape and type of material the virus was on.
“UVC is really nasty stuff – you shouldn't be exposed to it,” says Arnold. “It can take hours to get sunburn from UVB, but with UVC it takes seconds. If your eyes are exposed… you know that gritty feeling you get if you look at the sun? It’s like that times 10, just after a few seconds.”
Arnold works for UV Light Technology, a company that provides disinfecting equipment to hospitals, pharmaceutical companies and food manufacturers across the UK. Recently, as the global anxiety about Covid-19 has reached extraordinary new heights, he’s found himself fielding some unusual requests.

To use UVC safely, you need specialist equipment and training. The World Health Organization (WHO) has issued a stern warning against people using UV light to sterilise their hands or any other part of their skin.

So maybe.., maybe not?
UVC is what is used in the air chamber. And yes it is some nasty stuff but its 100% effective against COVID-19. UVB is the lights used in doctors offices above head height and with slow fans to circulate the air to keep the area clear of viruses. There are UVC-N a narrow band tube that can be used to disinfect rooms and it is currently being used in hospital settings that does little damage to human skin but will kill viruses very quickly.

Were going over to the boulder atmospherics lab to see how effective our solutions are later in the week. One of our engineers thinks we can create items that can be used in the general populace safely. We cant obviously use live virals but we can generate flows and extrapolate how it would react to them given the data just out from homeland security.
 
They need to bring back drive-in movies and burger places where the hot little chicky-poo roller skates up to your car & takes your order :banana:
Workmans comp for rollerskate servers. $10,000/mo. EACH
Great plan. Call accountant Goldstein. Maybe his unkle Harry can offer a discount for 10 or more
 
Old Technology could breath new life into Restaurants and other close contact businesses...

In a Duh moment several of my colleagues and I may have just come up with a plan to allow close contact businesses to function safely.

Hospitals use what is called a negative pressure room for patients who have infectious diseases. These operate on specific air flow patterns, controlled humidity, and UV lights which the air is pulled through to kill any virus.

Several Companies manufacture UV lights to be used above head high with slow updraft fans to kill the viruses in the air. They run about $175.00 and two can cover a room that is 100' X 30'. A series of these lights and fans in any restaurant could effectively capture and kill viruses that are airborne. These lights can also be fitted with covers that open automatically to the floor and seating areas every hour to kill surface viruses if the narrow band UV bulb is used.

Narrow band UV bulbs are safe for human exposure if it is monitored and intermittent.

We can add to this structured air flows so that air is drawn downward at walls and floor level around the room. This would pull the viruses downward to the floor where the air handler can push them out above the lights after filtration. You could also incorporate a High Output Light chamber (these are kind of pricey) to disinfect the air rapidly as it passes through the chamber. These were used in TB segregation wards so that the staff was not breathing the same air as the patients.

The technology is out there to bring America back on line quickly. The simple light and circulation fans can be installed in a day.


Snort....I followed the link to the companies website. Did you see the warning in red block letters on top of the website that says, "We are still open! Due to an overwhelming number of calls and emails, we are slow to respond but are trying our best and focusing all of our efforts on getting product to our customers as quickly as possible. Note: UV-C light can not be used on your skin or body for any reason". That kinda puts a damper on the light being exposed to ANY part of your skin.

I say it again. Trump supporters have taken stupid to levels I have not seen in my lifetime. :auiqs.jpg:
 
Old Technology could breath new life into Restaurants and other close contact businesses...

In a Duh moment several of my colleagues and I may have just come up with a plan to allow close contact businesses to function safely.

Hospitals use what is called a negative pressure room for patients who have infectious diseases. These operate on specific air flow patterns, controlled humidity, and UV lights which the air is pulled through to kill any virus.

Several Companies manufacture UV lights to be used above head high with slow updraft fans to kill the viruses in the air. They run about $175.00 and two can cover a room that is 100' X 30'. A series of these lights and fans in any restaurant could effectively capture and kill viruses that are airborne. These lights can also be fitted with covers that open automatically to the floor and seating areas every hour to kill surface viruses if the narrow band UV bulb is used.

Narrow band UV bulbs are safe for human exposure if it is monitored and intermittent.

We can add to this structured air flows so that air is drawn downward at walls and floor level around the room. This would pull the viruses downward to the floor where the air handler can push them out above the lights after filtration. You could also incorporate a High Output Light chamber (these are kind of pricey) to disinfect the air rapidly as it passes through the chamber. These were used in TB segregation wards so that the staff was not breathing the same air as the patients.

The technology is out there to bring America back on line quickly. The simple light and circulation fans can be installed in a day.


Snort....I followed the link to the companies website. Did you see the warning in red block letters on top of the website that says, "We are still open! Due to an overwhelming number of calls and emails, we are slow to respond but are trying our best and focusing all of our efforts on getting product to our customers as quickly as possible. Note: UV-C light can not be used on your skin or body for any reason". That kinda puts a damper on the light being exposed to ANY part of your skin.

I say it again. Trump supporters have taken stupid to levels I have not seen in my lifetime. :auiqs.jpg:
dumbass.. look up UVC-N bulbs,, THEY ARE NARROW BAND BULBS.
 
Old Technology could breath new life into Restaurants and other close contact businesses...
Narrow band UV bulbs are safe for human exposure if it is monitored and intermittent.
EUV shorter than 100nm burns skin for a reason. I for one don't want to live in a laboratory all my life. You are talking about a major investment for a business to do all of that. Worse, living in a sterile environment actually LOWERS your resistance and immunity making you more susceptible and dependent within that environment!
LOL

Mom used to encourage us kids to eat dirt.... "Go out and play"


Your point is well taken. Where is the happy medium? There is really no perfect answer for this. I guess isolating those who are most suceptible is the primary answer but how do we slow the spread until we gain herd immunity while not killing ourselves?
My dad used to tell me that when he was a kid out playing in the woods, that the old timers taught them that in the Springtime when the poison ivy was first starting to grow that all the kids would eat the first leaves and in his whole life, he never got poison ivy!
My dad didn't say anything about eating poison ivy, but I saw him drag it down off trees on our property with his hands and burn it without suffering the ill effects, until becoming allergic to it sometime in his 50. Never having to worry about it before, he was doing some more cleanup between pasture and woodline, barehanded again. Next day he was eat up with it require a doctor's care.
 
Old Technology could breath new life into Restaurants and other close contact businesses...

In a Duh moment several of my colleagues and I may have just come up with a plan to allow close contact businesses to function safely.

Hospitals use what is called a negative pressure room for patients who have infectious diseases. These operate on specific air flow patterns, controlled humidity, and UV lights which the air is pulled through to kill any virus.

Several Companies manufacture UV lights to be used above head high with slow updraft fans to kill the viruses in the air. They run about $175.00 and two can cover a room that is 100' X 30'. A series of these lights and fans in any restaurant could effectively capture and kill viruses that are airborne. These lights can also be fitted with covers that open automatically to the floor and seating areas every hour to kill surface viruses if the narrow band UV bulb is used.

Narrow band UV bulbs are safe for human exposure if it is monitored and intermittent.

We can add to this structured air flows so that air is drawn downward at walls and floor level around the room. This would pull the viruses downward to the floor where the air handler can push them out above the lights after filtration. You could also incorporate a High Output Light chamber (these are kind of pricey) to disinfect the air rapidly as it passes through the chamber. These were used in TB segregation wards so that the staff was not breathing the same air as the patients.

The technology is out there to bring America back on line quickly. The simple light and circulation fans can be installed in a day.


Snort....I followed the link to the companies website. Did you see the warning in red block letters on top of the website that says, "We are still open! Due to an overwhelming number of calls and emails, we are slow to respond but are trying our best and focusing all of our efforts on getting product to our customers as quickly as possible. Note: UV-C light can not be used on your skin or body for any reason". That kinda puts a damper on the light being exposed to ANY part of your skin.

I say it again. Trump supporters have taken stupid to levels I have not seen in my lifetime. :auiqs.jpg:
dumbass.. look up UVC-N bulbs,, THEY ARE NARROW BAND BULBS.

The virus spreads by droplets...dumbass. Transmitted by ejection through a persons mouth or nose. So let me get this straight. You want a fan to take a potentially lethal virus and drag it up or down in a roomful of people to a UV light that may or may not kill it, and can't be shined or exposed to any part of the skin....and send it where?..at a cost of what to businesses.? Oh God, this just keeps getting better and better. The material never ends. Just when I think I haven't seen the limit of stupid, my expectations are surpassed yet again.
 
In a restaurant with UV lights

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Welcome to ChickenPox restaurant, my name is Roberto and I will be serving you today...
 
dumbass.. look up UVC-N bulbs,, THEY ARE NARROW BAND BULBS.

I found some small cabinet models in the $200 to $300 range ... a bit cheaper for the corporeal versions ... all of them are enclosed for safety ... the frequency of the radiation is important, but so it the power ... 14 W for an algae cleaner, plug-and-play ... how much power for viruses? ...
 
dumbass.. look up UVC-N bulbs,, THEY ARE NARROW BAND BULBS.

I found some small cabinet models in the $200 to $300 range ... a bit cheaper for the corporeal versions ... all of them are enclosed for safety ... the frequency of the radiation is important, but so it the power ... 14 W for an algae cleaner, plug-and-play ... how much power for viruses? ...
Depends on distance from the light. Most of the UVB are 96-105 watts and they will kill viruses out to about 20'. The time it takes to kill a viruses ability to replicate is about 1 min 30 seconds and to physically kill the virus is about 5 minuets. UVC-N will render a virus unable to replicate in about 5 seconds and can kill a virus in about 15 sec out to 20' for a 96-105watt bulb. Even though the narrow band bulbs take much longer to harm human skin they cause problems with the eyes and shielding is necessary (after talking with folks smarter than me on these bulbs).

We can use UVC-N bulbs in over head applications but these can only be used when people are not around to do surface disinfection. indirect exposure will not harm humans.
 
dumbass.. look up UVC-N bulbs,, THEY ARE NARROW BAND BULBS.
Even though the narrow band bulbs take much longer to harm human skin ...

I guess this is what I don't understand ... 100 W at 200 nm is less harmful than 100 W at 150-250 nm? ... it's still 100 W of ionizing radiation ... at these power levels I can see where this is a great idea for air circulation systems, where the UVC can be contained within the air ducts and (presumably) idiot-proof ... but in a habitable area there's always one jack-wagon who will flip on the radiation source when the room is occupied ...

Remember: idiots are always one step ahead of the idiot-proofers ...
 
Old Technology could breath new life into Restaurants and other close contact businesses...

In a Duh moment several of my colleagues and I may have just come up with a plan to allow close contact businesses to function safely.

Hospitals use what is called a negative pressure room for patients who have infectious diseases. These operate on specific air flow patterns, controlled humidity, and UV lights which the air is pulled through to kill any virus.

Several Companies manufacture UV lights to be used above head high with slow updraft fans to kill the viruses in the air. They run about $175.00 and two can cover a room that is 100' X 30'. A series of these lights and fans in any restaurant could effectively capture and kill viruses that are airborne. These lights can also be fitted with covers that open automatically to the floor and seating areas every hour to kill surface viruses if the narrow band UV bulb is used.

Narrow band UV bulbs are safe for human exposure if it is monitored and intermittent.

We can add to this structured air flows so that air is drawn downward at walls and floor level around the room. This would pull the viruses downward to the floor where the air handler can push them out above the lights after filtration. You could also incorporate a High Output Light chamber (these are kind of pricey) to disinfect the air rapidly as it passes through the chamber. These were used in TB segregation wards so that the staff was not breathing the same air as the patients.

The technology is out there to bring America back on line quickly. The simple light and circulation fans can be installed in a day.


Duh might work as long as no one eats any food

Luke, the farce is strong with this one
 
dumbass.. look up UVC-N bulbs,, THEY ARE NARROW BAND BULBS.
Even though the narrow band bulbs take much longer to harm human skin ...

I guess this is what I don't understand ... 100 W at 200 nm is less harmful than 100 W at 150-250 nm? ... it's still 100 W of ionizing radiation ... at these power levels I can see where this is a great idea for air circulation systems, where the UVC can be contained within the air ducts and (presumably) idiot-proof ... but in a habitable area there's always one jack-wagon who will flip on the radiation source when the room is occupied ...

Remember: idiots are always one step ahead of the idiot-proofers ...
Well.....

There will always be an idiot who drinks fish tank cleaner or wants a quick tan for the day..

As for the ionizing radiation, it propogates outward so as distance increases the power covering a square inch decreases by roughly 1/2 at every doubling. Its a logarithmic decline.
 
Old Technology could breath new life into Restaurants and other close contact businesses...

In a Duh moment several of my colleagues and I may have just come up with a plan to allow close contact businesses to function safely.

Hospitals use what is called a negative pressure room for patients who have infectious diseases. These operate on specific air flow patterns, controlled humidity, and UV lights which the air is pulled through to kill any virus.

Several Companies manufacture UV lights to be used above head high with slow updraft fans to kill the viruses in the air. They run about $175.00 and two can cover a room that is 100' X 30'. A series of these lights and fans in any restaurant could effectively capture and kill viruses that are airborne. These lights can also be fitted with covers that open automatically to the floor and seating areas every hour to kill surface viruses if the narrow band UV bulb is used.

Narrow band UV bulbs are safe for human exposure if it is monitored and intermittent.

We can add to this structured air flows so that air is drawn downward at walls and floor level around the room. This would pull the viruses downward to the floor where the air handler can push them out above the lights after filtration. You could also incorporate a High Output Light chamber (these are kind of pricey) to disinfect the air rapidly as it passes through the chamber. These were used in TB segregation wards so that the staff was not breathing the same air as the patients.

The technology is out there to bring America back on line quickly. The simple light and circulation fans can be installed in a day.

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Duh might work as long as no one eats any food

Luke, the farce is strong with this one
You are aware meat packing plants have been using station serilization bulbs for about 10 years now. Are you not? The only person with the farce is people like you who are ignorant of ways the industries have been trying to protect them for years.
 

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