Oklahoma ready to put God back in the schools

[SweetTea]

just about all of the Pro Israel RINOs they elect oppose

W
Huckabee
McConnell

name a pro Israel "Christian" Republican, and check that issue....


W had the best chance with both houses of Congress, and simply sold out to Teddy Kennedy....

Maybe we are talking about different things. Virtually the entire Republican Party supports school vouchers and school choice. The vast majority of Republicans are pro-Israel and a large number are Christian. When Trump was President, his Secretary of Education was very much pro-voucher.

The GOP platform calls for 'universal school choice.' What would that mean for students?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Religion is about politics for far too many.

Politics is religion for far too many

 

[Harpy Eagle]

A kid can be arrested for merely carrying a Bible in class. It's not an exaggeration that a gestapo squad would raid a Bible study on school grounds

 

[SweetTea]

Politics is religion for far too many

Particularly for those without a true religion on which to rely.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Particularly for those without a true religion on which to rely.

It is good you can recognize that so many self proclaimed Christians on here do not have a true religion

 

[initforme]

As a Christian I see how politics and religion are a toxic partnership.

 

[SweetTea]

It is good you can recognize that so many self proclaimed Christians on here do not have a true religion

Sure, some aren’t as devout as they need to be for sure, if at all, but the very fact that they claim to be Christian means at the very least they likely believe they must ultimately answer to a higher power. Looking at a political figure or party as a replacement for God would be against their stated belief. Atheists, who are largely Democrats, have no such moral quandary and it shows. They unabashedly put their faith in government and their Democratic leaders. Much like in places like N. Korea, their dear leader is their god because Christianity is not acceptable there.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Sure, some aren’t as devout as they need to be for sure, if at all, but the very fact that they claim to be Christian means at the very least they likely believe they must ultimately answer to a higher power. Looking at a political figure or party as a replacement for God would be against their stated belief.

Yet so many of them do it on this forum day in and day out.

They do not care about lying, as long as it is in support of their beloved party.

They do not care they are filled with hate for the other side, despite what Jesus tells them about hate.

We have people that claim to be Christians that say the Dems should all be killed.

They unabashedly put their faith in government and their Democratic leaders. Much like in places like N. Korea, their dear leader is their god because Christianity is not acceptable there.

It is like you have never read a post from the Trump faithful on this forum. They worship Trump every bit as much as the North Koreans do so to Un.

 

[EMH]

Virtually the entire Republican Party supports school vouchers and school choice

They "say" they do. And then when it comes time to VOTE on it, they don't...

Once again Pro Israel Bible Thumping RINOs sell out school vouchers, this time in TN

Just like W... https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2024/04/22/tennessee-school-choice-voucher-program-gov-bill-lee-says-no-pathway-to-passage-this-year/73331645007/ For some reason, those "conservative" Pro ISRAEL "Republicans" like W and the TN state crowd want to force your kids...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[SweetTea]

Yet so many of them do it on this forum day in and day out.

They do not care about lying, as long as it is in support of their beloved party.

They do not care they are filled with hate for the other side, despite what Jesus tells them about hate.

We have people that claim to be Christians that say the Dems should all be killed.



It is like you have never read a post from the Trump faithful on this forum. They worship Trump every bit as much as the North Koreans do so to Un.

I am a Christian and I support Trump. I do not worship him by any measure. I don’t agree with many of his personal actions. I don’t agree with many of his antics. I do agree with the majority of his policies, including ones that can be tied back to Christianity. True Christian’s that vote for Democrats are putting politics ahead of their religion. Either that are they are just ignorant as to the Democratic Party’s policy platform. Non-religious people have nothing to worship other than politics and it shows.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I am a Christian and I support Trump. I do not worship him by any measure. I don’t agree with many of his personal actions. I don’t agree with many of his antics.

I do agree you do not seem to be a member of the cult.

True Christian’s that vote for Democrats are putting politics ahead of their religion.

My opinion is that true Christian’s that vote for Trump are putting politics ahead of their religion, but that is just me.

 

[SweetTea]

My opinion is that true Christian’s that vote for Trump are putting politics ahead of their religion, but that is just me

This is where I think you and many others are confused. Trump is most certainly not an excemplary Christian. He says and does things that are not appropriate for Christians. Funny though, many of his actions are perfectly acceptable in many liberal circles, the only issue for them is that his policy positions support more conservative and more Christian ideals. That is the only reason Democrats hate him so much and that is why Christians can still support him. From a pragmatic approach, Trump’s policies ultimately lead to a better result for Christians in this country. That is why many Christian support him. Why would we vote for Democrats? Many of their policy positions are antithetical to our values.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

This is where I think you and many others are confused. Trump is most certainly not an excemplary Christian. He says and does things that are not appropriate for Christians. Funny though, many of his actions are perfectly acceptable in many liberal circles, the only issue for them is that his policy positions support more conservative and more Christian ideals. That is the only reason Democrats hate him so much and that is why Christians can still support him. From a pragmatic approach, Trump’s policies ultimately lead to a better result for Christians in this country. That is why many Christian support him. Why would we vote for Democrats? Many of their policy positions are antithetical to our values.

I would never suggest anyone should vote for a Democrat.

This is the problem with our country, everyone always only sees two choices.

It does not have to be that way.

 

[SweetTea]

I would never suggest anyone should vote for a Democrat.

This is the problem with our country, everyone always only sees two choices.

It does not have to be that way.

I don’t necessarily disagree with the sentiment, however, voting 3rd party would virtually anoint Harris President. That is not an acceptable outcome for me. It is a real catch-22 for sure. The only real solution to the problem would be to completely disband both parties and have everyone run as Independents. I don’t give money to the Republican Party and would support such a movement. Until that happens, I am unable to justify essentially wasting my vote on a candidate that has virtually no chance of winning and ultimately providing support for Democratic Party. IMO, the Democratic Party will destroy our country. They aren’t a viable option at all.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I don’t necessarily disagree with the sentiment, however, voting 3rd party would virtually anoint Harris President.

And the Harris people say voting 3rd party would virtually anoint Trump President.

It is just odd how you all use the same talking points.

The only real solution to the problem would be to completely disband both parties and have everyone run as Independents. I don’t give money to the Republican Party and would support such a movement.

Or perhaps vote for better people in the primaries. If you are going to stay loyal to a party, why vote for the least Christian person of the group running?

Until that happens, I am unable to justify essentially wasting my vote on a candidate that has virtually no chance of winning and ultimately providing support for Democratic Party. IMO, the Democratic Party will destroy our country. They aren’t a viable option at all.

This is just what both parties want their faithful to believe. As long as you all believe the other side will destroy the country, you will vote for your chosen party no matter what they do or who they run.

I do not know where you live, but the odds are your vote is more or less meaningless anyhow as the outcome of your state is already known.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

It's freedom of Religion, not freedom from Religion.

They can't grasp that

 

[SweetTea]

Or perhaps vote for better people in the primaries. If you are going to stay loyal to a party, why vote for the least Christian person of the group running?

I vote for the person who I feel is best suited to win the election because the alternative is unacceptable.

I do not know where you live, but the odds are your vote is more or less meaningless anyhow as the outcome of your state is already known.

Sure, nobody’s individual vote matters. Obviously we are talking about in masses. If I rounded up a couple/few of hundred thousand conservative voters and convinced them to vote 3rd party, Democrats would win my state. Why on earth would I do that? Like I said, it is a catch 22.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I vote for the person who I feel is best suited to win the election because the alternative is unacceptable.

And it is this thinking that has led us to the point where the two best people were Trump and Biden and are now Trump and Harris.

As an American I am embarrassed by this election.

Sure, nobody’s individual vote matters.

Some states it matters more. Take mine, Illinois. A vote for Trump or a vote for a 3rd party candidate has the exact same outcome. You and I have no more of a chance to win the state than Trump does. Same goes for Harris in a lot of states.

If I rounded up a couple/few of hundred thousand conservative voters and convinced them to vote 3rd party, Democrats would win my state. Why on earth would I do that? Like I said, it is a catch 22.

and this is why your party has spent the last 40 convincing you the Dems are pure evil and you must vote for your beloved party no matter what. And the Dems have done the same to their faithful.

Yet when the rubber meets the road, there is very little difference in how they govern. The only differences are on cosmetic social issues.

 

[pknopp]

I am a Christian and I support Trump. I do not worship him by any measure. I don’t agree with many of his personal actions. I don’t agree with many of his antics. I do agree with the majority of his policies, including ones that can be tied back to Christianity. True Christian’s that vote for Democrats are putting politics ahead of their religion. Either that are they are just ignorant as to the Democratic Party’s policy platform. Non-religious people have nothing to worship other than politics and it shows.

I'm not voting (D) mainly because while they state positions i agree with they don't follow through by and large but as a Christian I should vote for a party that argues to end paid school lunches for poor students?

That argue we should end any sort of health care programs? That it's ok to discriminate because of some perceived difference you see in yourself and those you wish to discriminate against?

 

[SweetTea]

Yet when the rubber meets the road, there is very little difference in how they govern. The only differences are on cosmetic social issues.

The social issues are far from cosmetic. They are very meaningful. They contribute to the very fabric of our country.

They both spend far too much money, but they spend it on different things. Though I disagree with too much government spending, I tend to agree with where the Republicans spend the money vs Democrats.