Okay, this is..

[toobfreak]

Ambassador class, yep. And it was that ONLY episode, which I can't recall the title to right now to save my life. lol

I can get a copy of the Ambassador class and I may purchase it.

I thought the C version was pretty OK. Some parts looked similar to the B class, others looked similar to D class. But why did no admirals ever show up in a C class? You never saw any Cs in space battles.

Lt. Yar must have humped them all to pieces.

None of that was CGI, all those ships were expensive physical art models, usually about 3-4-5 feet long. The movie enterprise A model was sold at auction for $500,000 and the TNG D enterprise used for TV actually sold for $600,000.

The D was pretty cool but I would have rather had the A version from the motion pictures myself.

Would you believe the Seaview sub used on 'Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea' was a six foot model?

 

[LibertyWeeps]

Well, if they did that, it would lose the chronological consistency that Roddenberry wanted. Personally, I never watch DS9. I've only caught 1-2 episodes that I thought held my attention. I just never liked the Ferengi nor the Cardassians. Enterprise and Voyager each had about a dozen episodes that I thought were very good.

I like that slipstream technology.

Some of the suggestions would just be technologically non-feasible and require a lot of explaining. The Federation agreed not to develop cloaking technology to keep peace with Romulus. In the one TNG episode, they did reveal that phased-cloak technology, which they banned.

Some of your suggestions would narrow the available story lines as well as increase cost of production. I've studied television writing and one precept is you need to keep your audience able to relate to the show--- place it too far in the future or make things too advanced and folks have trouble relating. That is why they still use recognizable buttons, refer to "tape" drives and such.

I really liked Species 8472 and wish they had developed/used them more. Better opponent than the Borg. The Borg was totally lost, completely transformed from the original concept, and very much watered down in the process.

They don't have to slap people in the face with this concept/storyline of mine. It can be slowly stepped into, instead of jumping in.

Although it is animation, they have a completely different storyline for Lower Decks, and it worked just fine........even if it was not a comedy.

If Species 8472 did declare war on our universe in order to take it over, then the Federation would HAVE to find all necessary tools to use in order to fight them. Hence delving back into the 32nd century slipstream tech, since the entrance point to their universe is in the Delta Quadrant. Also having to develop cloaking tech to use to hide Federation ships, which the Borg would obviously be in charge of.

Even with the Borg collective reaquiring their human sentience, they would still believe they are the highest grade species in our universe and protect it from Species 8472.

Believe me, I've had this in my head for DECADES and have it pretty much figured out. Just like I do with my Dr. Who movie and who/what he actually is. And I've also got a continuation for Bewitched in my head. I've also got a 3 part Wonder Woman movie series in my head as well. But I can't write worth a shit, so none of it has ever gotten on paper........or computer screen.

 

[LibertyWeeps]

I thought the C version was pretty OK. Some parts looked similar to the B class, others looked similar to D class. But why did no admirals ever show up in a C class? You never saw any Cs in space battles.

Lt. Yar must have humped them all to pieces.

None of that was CGI, all those ships were expensive physical art models, usually about 3-4-5 feet long. The movie enterprise A model was sold at auction for $500,000 and the TNG D enterprise used for TV actually sold for $600,000.

The D was pretty cool but I would have rather had the A version from the motion pictures myself.

Would you believe the Seaview sub used on 'Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea' was a six foot model?

OMG!!!! I saw Denise Crosby on an episode of The Drew Carey Show today!!!! ROFL

I loved Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea when it was on TV. That and Lost in Space.

Yes, the models for the special effects had to be big enough for them to have in depth work done on them. Hull pieces, flanges, engines, windows, ports, doors, and even room inside for puppet people if needed.

But now, CGI + AI = "real life" work for little cost. No more giant models and huge filiming facilities for FX work.

 

[Darkwind]

I thought the C version was pretty OK. Some parts looked similar to the B class, others looked similar to D class. But why did no admirals ever show up in a C class? You never saw any Cs in space battles.

Lt. Yar must have humped them all to pieces.

None of that was CGI, all those ships were expensive physical art models, usually about 3-4-5 feet long. The movie enterprise A model was sold at auction for $500,000 and the TNG D enterprise used for TV actually sold for $600,000.

The D was pretty cool but I would have rather had the A version from the motion pictures myself.

Would you believe the Seaview sub used on 'Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea' was a six foot model?

I think that the Ambassador Class was a shrunk down version of the Excellsior Class. They have the same secondary hull config but with shorter and with shortened nacelles.

Ambassador Class

 

[toobfreak]

OMG!!!! I saw Denise Crosby on an episode of The Drew Carey Show today!!!! ROFL

She was also in a small bit part in one of the Nick Nolte/Eddie Murphy 48 Hours movies. She played one of the biker gang's girlfriends.

I loved Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea when it was on TV. That and Lost in Space.

They are both still on TV. I just watched both last (Saturday) night.

But now, CGI + AI = "real life" work for little cost. No more giant models and huge filiming facilities for FX work.

I can tell the difference. CGI may be cheaper, but I like real models better.

 

[toobfreak]

I think that the Ambassador Class was a shrunk down version of the Excellsior Class. They have the same secondary hull config but with shorter and with shortened nacelles.

Maybe. I thought it was more than good enough to be used in more than just the one episode. Here is a picture of the actual filming model I guess after it had survived the Romulan attack and made it back into the past.

My biggest complaint about it was that it had all this blue details all over it, much like the B. I just couldn't see the blue color being of anything more than cosmetic, and I can't believe they'd go to the trouble of putting pretty colors all over a starship just to make it look pretty from the outside.

 

[LibertyWeeps]

I absolutely love the Universal design.
2 miles long though, I believe is overkill.

But just the outter design is a work of art to me.
I'd love to see a ship like this in the movies. It's gorgeous.

 

[Darkwind]

I thought the C version was pretty OK. Some parts looked similar to the B class, others looked similar to D class. But why did no admirals ever show up in a C class? You never saw any Cs in space battles.

Lt. Yar must have humped them all to pieces.

None of that was CGI, all those ships were expensive physical art models, usually about 3-4-5 feet long. The movie enterprise A model was sold at auction for $500,000 and the TNG D enterprise used for TV actually sold for $600,000.

The D was pretty cool but I would have rather had the A version from the motion pictures myself.

Would you believe the Seaview sub used on 'Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea' was a six foot model?

I really can't answer to the direction they took the series. I happen to agree. They would still have been out there in TNG and should have figured more prominently. LIke Wolf 359

 

[Darkwind]

I absolutely love the Universal design.
2 miles long though, I believe is overkill.

But just the outter design is a work of art to me.
I'd love to see a ship like this in the movies. It's gorgeous.

I didn't care for it at all. Just seemed out of place.

 

[Darkwind]

 

[Darkwind]

A little die-cast action. lol

 

[toobfreak]

I absolutely love the Universal design. 2 miles long though, I believe is overkill.
But just the outter design is a work of art to me. I'd love to see a ship like this in the movies. It's gorgeous.

That ship has been around for years. Frankly, when I first saw it, I thought it was a joke, someone's throwaway fantasy idea. OK, a universal class ship, a city in space essentially completely independent, which means that it will likely be more like 1500 years in the future and not just a mere 500.

It also means that they rely on some new form of travel beyond mere warp ability. I mean, ships had already done warp 9.8 in TNG and where did it get them? Wesley got around far better. Between the two series, they came across many "First One" civilizations almost godlike in their technology, so by this ship's time, maybe we have digested some of the technologies we have been exposed to and intercepted and have begun utilizing them.

Technologies from civilizations they've met like:

1. The First Federation.
2. The Metrons.
3. The Organians.
4. The Iconians.
5. The Cytherians.

So why then does this ship still need two warp nacelles sticking out back like a 1966 Enterprise? I look at these designs from a mechanical POV; I look at ships like the Klingons and the new Romulan ships and I ask myself what does this part of the ship do? How to they get into it, use it, work on it? I question where they place some of the windows and question their need.

I ask myself the practicality of a disc a mile in diameter; why a disc? Why not a sphere where everything is closer together, easier to get around, provides less of a target to hit, its surface which faces equally in all directions, and is structurally more together.

Another thing I don't like is that considering the advanced technology, I see the ship having fewer and fewer discreet components. In other words, the outside of the ship now serves both as the engines, and the shields, and the sensors, and the weapons, rather than this being a weapon over here and a sensor or shield over there. I don't see this ship as having a whole lot of nuts and bolts in it.

I see a ship like this as needing a better way of getting around than a mere propulsion system, really fast speed. It would travel great distances by some subtle trick of space, time, or dimension by utilizing fields and forces already contained within the universe.

 

[LibertyWeeps]

That ship has been around for years. Frankly, when I first saw it, I thought it was a joke, someone's throwaway fantasy idea. OK, a universal class ship, a city in space essentially completely independent, which means that it will likely be more like 1500 years in the future and not just a mere 500.

It also means that they rely on some new form of travel beyond mere warp ability. I mean, ships had already done warp 9.8 in TNG and where did it get them? Wesley got around far better. Between the two series, they came across many "First One" civilizations almost godlike in their technology, so by this ship's time, maybe we have digested some of the technologies we have been exposed to and intercepted and have begun utilizing them.

Technologies from civilizations they've met like:

1. The First Federation.
2. The Metrons.
3. The Organians.
4. The Iconians.
5. The Cytherians.

So why then does this ship still need two warp nacelles sticking out back like a 1966 Enterprise? I look at these designs from a mechanical POV; I look at ships like the Klingons and the new Romulan ships and I ask myself what does this part of the ship do? How to they get into it, use it, work on it? I question where they place some of the windows and question their need.

I ask myself the practicality of a disc a mile in diameter; why a disc? Why not a sphere where everything is closer together, easier to get around, provides less of a target to hit, its surface which faces equally in all directions, and is structurally more together.

Another thing I don't like is that considering the advanced technology, I see the ship having fewer and fewer discreet components. In other words, the outside of the ship now serves both as the engines, and the shields, and the sensors, and the weapons, rather than this being a weapon over here and a sensor or shield over there. I don't see this ship as having a whole lot of nuts and bolts in it.

I see a ship like this as needing a better way of getting around than a mere propulsion system, really fast speed. It would travel great distances by some subtle trick of space, time, or dimension by utilizing fields and forces already contained within the universe.

Hmmmmmmmm