Ok..... So who is telling the truth?

Us says Iran wants to make a deal....Iran says no they don't.
Obviously, Iran does NOT want to make a deal, because for one thing, the USA stopped warring them as soon as they ran out of big military targets they can take out from air or sea. It is now down to the nitty gritty where soldiers need to go in there and start fighting door to door. Iran has spent 50 years preparing for a street fight, that is their turf. Americans will start crying soon as ten Americans get killed. So of course Iran wants no deal because once the deal is sealed, their options are reduced--- why talk or sign anything when they believe they can stall us endlessly?

The strait is still closed....Iran isn't budging and in fact threating to do even more.
The Strait is actually open to any ship not coming from or going to Iran. The USA just disabled an Iranian ship that ignored their warnings and tried to bypass the blockade. It is now adrift at sea. Only thing stopping anyone else from using the Strait is because the insurers in London are pulling their policies under fear Iran might make good on a threat to shoot at them, and maybe for the better as no one wants to see a widespread ecological disaster.

yet we continue to hear that we're in the brink of peace.
We are. We have Iran in a neck lock strangling them. All they need to do is agree to a deal where they lose bigly, and I don't think they ever will, which means that sooner or later, we go in Hot & Heavy, and damn the torpedoes.

What about the claim we are out of ammunition and ordinance? I doubt that. Look at the bombs we used in WWII. Look at all of the bombs, rockets, drones and missiles tiny Israel (size of New Jersey) has used against Hamas in Gaza, against Iran, and now is using in Lebanon? Have you ever heard Israel say they were running low?

The USA is built around fighting a high-tech war against a capable superpower and defeating billion dollar defense systems. Iran is built around fighting a low-tech war in the trenches.

Iran is trying to get us into the trenches while the USA is trying to keep it high tech. Hegseth better get his head on straight that there will be no peace, no resolution in Iran until we go in there and hammer the living bejeesus out of these people. America compartmentalizes its military: bases, the Pentagon, etc.; there really is no way of separating the IRGC from its people as the IRGC is all through the country everywhere, under hospitals, next to schools, etc., they have spent billions of dollars and half a century digging in and fortifying underground preparing for a trench war.
 
Iran has two different messages. One for the negotiations and second for its people. They cant allow the people to know how badly they have been defeated or they will revolt.
I think the people are willing to revolt anyway.
But they aren't armed or prepared enough for such to succeed.
Part of Trump's willingness to drag out negotiations could be to buy time will we arm, train, prep, etc. the anti-Theocracy revolt.
 
Us says Iran wants to make a deal....Iran says no they don't.
The strait is still closed....Iran isn't budging and in fact threating to do even more.



yet we continue to hear that we're in the brink of peace.

Shrug.....

I mean....what is this?


Jo

Bub,

Trump trades on the lies and makes lots of $$.

Here...

The reason Trump is unpredictable is not from genius, it is from being a lying conman. Back when Trump ran in 2016, NPR had a piece on him when he ran casinos in NJ and how he lied to the NJ Casino Commission to make the deal, promising them he won't issue junk bonds if they approve the acquisition. And what does Trump do after the acquisition of the casinos? He issues junk bonds, takes as much as he can and lets the casinos go bankrupt.

Google: 'Opening The Books On Donald Trump's Business Deals In Atlantic City'

Point is...Trump is a compulsive liar, completely untrustworthy. Would you feel good about him as your general in battle? Or would you be worried that Trump would sell you out? Would you like to go into business with Trump or would you worry about him cheating you? Trump always has to come out on top with any transaction. That means you lose.

I'm not saying Iran is 100%. But they had their negotiators assassinated twice trying to do a peace agreement with Jewmerica.

shtff never holiday beach.webp
 
Good point but if Trump gives Iran a longer leash they're just going to choke him with it.
Choke themselves with it.

Only the American political Left could choke Trump.
That's because they care more to preserve their political power and path to fascism than they do the ideals and future of the USA.
 
Us says Iran wants to make a deal....Iran says no they don't.




The strait is still closed....Iran isn't budging and in fact threating to do even more.



yet we continue to hear that we're in the brink of peace.

Shrug.....

I mean....what is this?


Jo
Trump only makes these announcements so his friends and family can trade on inside information
 
Time to carpet-nuke these mofos back into the Stone Age.

I agree, but you know the minute we do that, there is outrage throughout the EU and elsewhere about our human rights violations. The hard part for Trump must be that Iran was not and is not actually currently engaged in any military operation against us other than basically defending themselves in their own backyard so, despite hundreds of attacks and thousands of americans murdered, we look like the bad guys especially if we go in hard.
 
Us says Iran wants to make a deal....Iran says no they don't.




The strait is still closed....Iran isn't budging and in fact threating to do even more.



yet we continue to hear that we're on the brink of peace.

Shrug.....

I mean....what is this?


Jo
We all know Trump is a certified liar (just go back 1.5 years and listen to a few of his promises) and since there is no deal ... I have to lean towards Iran on the truth meter.
 
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I agree, but you know the minute we do that, there is outrage throughout the EU and elsewhere about our human rights violations. The hard part for Trump must be that Iran was not and is not actually currently engaged in any military operation against us other than basically defending themselves in their own backyard so, despite hundreds of attacks and thousands of americans murdered, we look like the bad guys especially if we go in hard.
Human Rights? These are foreigners - they’re NOT human beings.
 
We all know Trump is a certified liar (just go back 15 years and listen to a few of his promises)
How many things you intended 15 years ago never came true? Now list for us any politician you can think of who never said anything over a 15 year period that turned out wrong? Then tell me how Trump stands out as any different? 15 years ago, Joe Biden was still a politician; 15 years ago, Trump had not even given any thought to running for an office beyond perhaps some support he put behind Mitt Romney.

and since there is no deal ... I have to lean towards Iran on the truth meter.
Have you ever considered that there is still no deal because Iran does nothing but lie?
The last thing Trump wants is some half-baked deal that a week after agreed to, Iran is right back to violating.
Iran wants a get-out-of-jail-free card so they can have their cake and eat it too.

No deal.
 
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How many things you intended 15 years ago never came true? Now list for us any politician you can think of who never said anything over a 15 year period that turned out wrong? Then tell me how Trump stands out as any different? 15 years ago, Joe Biden was still a politician; 15 years ago, Trump had not even given any thought to running for an office beyond perhaps some support he put behind Mitt Romney.


Have you ever considered that there is still no deal because Iran does nothing but lie?
The last thing Trump wants is some half-baked deal that a week after agreed to, Iran is right back to violating.
Iran wants a get-out-of-jail-free card so they can have their cake and eat it too.

No deal.
I'm amazed at how quickly they forget the pattern of lies that dominated Biden's entire career....
 
I'm amazed at how quickly they forget the pattern of lies that dominated Biden's entire career....

Biden lied like no other. He was worse than the next three worst presidents combined.

But Left don't forget, they are literally blinded from seeing it in the first place due to leftwing cognitive dissonance.

Put simply, they measure with one ruler for their guy, but measure with an entirely different ruler for our guy.
 

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