Ohio passes Stand Your Ground bill

[2aguy]

While I agree it is best to be as compliant as possible since what was legal and what was abusive can more safely be determined later.
But in the case of Breonna Taylor, the police illegal shot her 7 times even though they had no probable cause to even conduct the raid, made no attempt to serve the warrant, and fired randomly at unarmed people.

They had a no-knock warrant. To me (as far as we know) it seemed like police trying too hard to make a bust. A guy she was associated with was a known drug dealer, and they believed he was using her address to get drugs through mail. I also read where two of the detectives in that case were fired today.

The warrant and the way is was served was bogus, but also when there is a single shot through the door, the legal response is not to shoot everyone in sight.
They deliberately fired at Breonna Taylor even though she was unarmed and had done nothing illegal.
That is impossible to justify. They also kept firing, and then offered no first aid.

Moron, it was a small apartment and the idiot was shooting at the police from behind her......

Are you really this blind and stupid?

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Emilia Sykes is an obvious racist Democrat who does not have any empathy for the victims of violent crime.
The murder ratio between Blacks and Whites is more than 2 to 1.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Bullshit, there are only 3 streets in that little complex so that is some bullshit.

What difference does that make? It doesn't matter if there were two streets or twenty. He was behind the buildings and didn't know the address. So he continued to walk to the front of the building to get the address, walked back, and that's when the little hood attacked him.

So of he jumped out and attacked how did he exchange words with him before the attack?

In a hostile situation what person has a gun on them and when they come face to face with the person they are following pulls out their cellphone.

I don't even understand what you're asking here. What does the cellphone have to do with it. Zimmerman was going to this truck to drive to the store. As a CCW holder, he had his gun with him which was a common thing for him to do. He spotted Martin and called the police as a suspicious character who fit the description of suspects who were breaking into homes in that complex.

Totally wrong.
It is clear from the maps that Zimmerman ran to get in front of Martin, to cut him off.
Martin delayed once out of sight, by making a cellphone call to his girl friend.
Not something a person in ambush would have done.

Zimmerman could not have gotten an address where he went, between the back yards of the houses.

Zimmerman is lying with this "enactment".
The dispatcher never asked for him to tell them where Martin went, and he did not drive the SUV away as he claimed. We heard his heavy breathing, so he was running, not driving. Zimmerman is a liar. He is lying because it was illegal for him to run around in front of Martin and cut him off like he did.
We know where the SUV was left, and we know the shooting happened far away from it.
So Zimmerman was not going back to the SUV as he claimed.

Dipshit.........I watched the trial.....Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle when he was violently attacked by martin.......

Where was he walking back from? How far had he run?

If you had watched the trial, the liar on the witness stand testified that martin lost Zimmerman in the complex......he then went back to attack Zimmerman, you doofus.

Think about it idiot, if Trayvon went home how did he get back to Zimmerman before he got to his truck. His story doesn't add up dumbass.

Zimmerman was walking back to meet the police you idiot.

Why didn't he just wait for them to arrive. All you cowards stick together.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Where was he walking back from? How far had he run?

Watch the reenactment video I posted and find out for yourself.

Think about it idiot, if Trayvon went home how did he get back to Zimmerman before he got to his truck. His story doesn't add up dumbass.

Talk about dumbass, where did 2aGuy state he ran home?

Why didn't he just wait for them to arrive. All you cowards stick together.

That's what he was going to do, go back to his truck and wait for them to arrive. He told dispatch that's where the police could find him; in his truck at the clubhouse.

 

[2aguy]

Bullshit, there are only 3 streets in that little complex so that is some bullshit.

What difference does that make? It doesn't matter if there were two streets or twenty. He was behind the buildings and didn't know the address. So he continued to walk to the front of the building to get the address, walked back, and that's when the little hood attacked him.

So of he jumped out and attacked how did he exchange words with him before the attack?

In a hostile situation what person has a gun on them and when they come face to face with the person they are following pulls out their cellphone.

I don't even understand what you're asking here. What does the cellphone have to do with it. Zimmerman was going to this truck to drive to the store. As a CCW holder, he had his gun with him which was a common thing for him to do. He spotted Martin and called the police as a suspicious character who fit the description of suspects who were breaking into homes in that complex.

Totally wrong.
It is clear from the maps that Zimmerman ran to get in front of Martin, to cut him off.
Martin delayed once out of sight, by making a cellphone call to his girl friend.
Not something a person in ambush would have done.

Zimmerman could not have gotten an address where he went, between the back yards of the houses.

Zimmerman is lying with this "enactment".
The dispatcher never asked for him to tell them where Martin went, and he did not drive the SUV away as he claimed. We heard his heavy breathing, so he was running, not driving. Zimmerman is a liar. He is lying because it was illegal for him to run around in front of Martin and cut him off like he did.
We know where the SUV was left, and we know the shooting happened far away from it.
So Zimmerman was not going back to the SUV as he claimed.

Dipshit.........I watched the trial.....Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle when he was violently attacked by martin.......

Where was he walking back from? How far had he run?

If you had watched the trial, the liar on the witness stand testified that martin lost Zimmerman in the complex......he then went back to attack Zimmerman, you doofus.

Think about it idiot, if Trayvon went home how did he get back to Zimmerman before he got to his truck. His story doesn't add up dumbass.

Zimmerman was walking back to meet the police you idiot.

Why didn't he just wait for them to arrive. All you cowards stick together.

Shit for brains..........he followed martin so he could point him out to the police...he told the 911 caller that when other thugs had the police called on them they were gone before they arrived....you doofus. So he followed him to show the police where he went....the 911 operator said that wasn't necessary and he started to go back to his car....that is when the young criminal violently assaulted him....

If you watched any of the actual trial and the testimony by the girl on the phone with martin, you would also know this....you moron.

 

[2aguy]

Emilia Sykes is an obvious racist Democrat who does not have any empathy for the victims of violent crime.
The murder ratio between Blacks and Whites is more than 2 to 1.

Let me fix that for you.......the democrat party is the party of racism.....has been since it was founded by slave owners.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Bullshit, there are only 3 streets in that little complex so that is some bullshit.

What difference does that make? It doesn't matter if there were two streets or twenty. He was behind the buildings and didn't know the address. So he continued to walk to the front of the building to get the address, walked back, and that's when the little hood attacked him.

So of he jumped out and attacked how did he exchange words with him before the attack?

In a hostile situation what person has a gun on them and when they come face to face with the person they are following pulls out their cellphone.

I don't even understand what you're asking here. What does the cellphone have to do with it. Zimmerman was going to this truck to drive to the store. As a CCW holder, he had his gun with him which was a common thing for him to do. He spotted Martin and called the police as a suspicious character who fit the description of suspects who were breaking into homes in that complex.

Totally wrong.
It is clear from the maps that Zimmerman ran to get in front of Martin, to cut him off.
Martin delayed once out of sight, by making a cellphone call to his girl friend.
Not something a person in ambush would have done.

Zimmerman could not have gotten an address where he went, between the back yards of the houses.

Zimmerman is lying with this "enactment".
The dispatcher never asked for him to tell them where Martin went, and he did not drive the SUV away as he claimed. We heard his heavy breathing, so he was running, not driving. Zimmerman is a liar. He is lying because it was illegal for him to run around in front of Martin and cut him off like he did.
We know where the SUV was left, and we know the shooting happened far away from it.
So Zimmerman was not going back to the SUV as he claimed.

Dipshit.........I watched the trial.....Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle when he was violently attacked by martin.......

Where was he walking back from? How far had he run?

If you had watched the trial, the liar on the witness stand testified that martin lost Zimmerman in the complex......he then went back to attack Zimmerman, you doofus.

Think about it idiot, if Trayvon went home how did he get back to Zimmerman before he got to his truck. His story doesn't add up dumbass.

Zimmerman was walking back to meet the police you idiot.

Why didn't he just wait for them to arrive. All you cowards stick together.

Shit for brains..........he followed martin so he could point him out to the police...he told the 911 caller that when other thugs had the police called on them they were gone before they arrived....you doofus.

You ignorant POS the kid that was responsible for the previous breakins was arrested 2 weeks earlier.

So he followed him to show the police where he went....the 911 operator said that wasn't necessary and he started to go back to his car....that is when the young criminal violently assaulted him....

He continued to follow him after the dispatcher told him they didn't need him to.

If you watched any of the actual trial and the testimony by the girl on the phone with martin, you would also know this....you moron.

You are one of those racist cowards that celebrated the fact that this coward got away with killing a young black teenager. His story made no sense when he told it and it damn sure doesn't make any sense when your dumbass trys to repeat that bullshit.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You ignorant POS the kid that was responsible for the previous breakins was arrested 2 weeks earlier.

He continued to follow him after the dispatcher told him they didn't need him to.

You are basing that on what? All you have to do is listen to the 911 call and it's clear he stopped running when the dispatcher said he didn't need to follow Martin.

You are one of those racist cowards that celebrated the fact that this coward got away with killing a young black teenager. His story made no sense when he told it and it damn sure doesn't make any sense when your dumbass trys to repeat that bullshit.

WTF does race have to do with this? They were both people of race. Zimmerman is half Hispanic.

Anytime a violent attacker meets his maker is a reason to celebrate. Things like this have been going on for far too long and still goes on today. It needs to stop. His story doesn't have to make sense to you. It made sense to the police and detectives. It made sense to the grand jury. I don't think Zimmerman did the right thing by following Martin, but it certainly doesn't warrant being attacked either.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

You ignorant POS the kid that was responsible for the previous breakins was arrested 2 weeks earlier.

Police found Demeacis’s laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.

Burgess had committed a series of burglaries on the other side of town in 2008 and 2009, pleaded guilty to several, and spent all of 2010 incarcerated in a juvenile facility, his attorney said. He is now in jail on parole violations


The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.

This time, Zimmerman was not so patient, and he disregarded police advice against pursuing Martin.

“These assholes,” he muttered in an aside, “they always get away.”

George Zimmerman: Prelude to a shooting | Reuters

Also there had been no more burglaries after Burgess was arrested.

He continued to follow him after the dispatcher told him they didn't need him to.

You are basing that on what? All you have to do is listen to the 911 call and it's clear he stopped running when the dispatcher said he didn't need to follow Martin.

After the phone call ended, several minutes passed when the movements of Zimmerman and Martin remain a mystery.

You are one of those racist cowards that celebrated the fact that this coward got away with killing a young black teenager. His story made no sense when he told it and it damn sure doesn't make any sense when your dumbass trys to repeat that bullshit.

WTF does race have to do with this? They were both people of race. Zimmerman is half Hispanic.

Zimmerman wanted to be white, check his twitter account of what he thought about mexicans.

Anytime a violent attacker meets his maker is a reason to celebrate. Things like this have been going on for far too long and still goes on today. It needs to stop. His story doesn't have to make sense to you. It made sense to the police and detectives. It made sense to the grand jury. I don't think Zimmerman did the right thing by following Martin, but it certainly doesn't warrant being attacked either.

Who set this whole set of events into motion?

Why didn't Zimmerman just explain what he was doing when Trayvon approached his vehicle and asked him why was he following him.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Police found Demeacis’s laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.

Burgess had committed a series of burglaries on the other side of town in 2008 and 2009, pleaded guilty to several, and spent all of 2010 incarcerated in a juvenile facility, his attorney said. He is now in jail on parole violations


The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.

This time, Zimmerman was not so patient, and he disregarded police advice against pursuing Martin.

“These assholes,” he muttered in an aside, “they always get away.”

George Zimmerman: Prelude to a shooting | Reuters

Also there had been no more burglaries after Burgess was arrested.

Your link said nothing about the burglaries stopping. Furthermore it went on to say that witnesses seen several people, not just one. It said they linked him to other burglaries on the other side of town.

After the phone call ended, several minutes passed when the movements of Zimmerman and Martin remain a mystery.

No mystery. He hung up the phone, went to the front of a house to copy an address, started walking back to his truck through the backyard and that's when Martin attacked him.

Zimmerman wanted to be white, check his twitter account of what he thought about mexicans.

I don't have Twitter and never will. Why don't you link it.

Who set this whole set of events into motion?

Why didn't Zimmerman just explain what he was doing when Trayvon approached his vehicle and asked him why was he following him.

He never approached his vehicle. Listen to the 911 call. Supposedly he asked Zimmerman just before he attacked him. Zimmerman told the dispatcher "he's starting to come towards my truck" but then said he turned around and ran.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Police found Demeacis’s laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.

Burgess had committed a series of burglaries on the other side of town in 2008 and 2009, pleaded guilty to several, and spent all of 2010 incarcerated in a juvenile facility, his attorney said. He is now in jail on parole violations


The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.

This time, Zimmerman was not so patient, and he disregarded police advice against pursuing Martin.

“These assholes,” he muttered in an aside, “they always get away.”

George Zimmerman: Prelude to a shooting | Reuters

Also there had been no more burglaries after Burgess was arrested.

Your link said nothing about the burglaries stopping. Furthermore it went on to say that witnesses seen several people, not just one. It said they linked him to other burglaries on the other side of town.

You really don't have a clue about his case.

After the phone call ended, several minutes passed when the movements of Zimmerman and Martin remain a mystery.

No mystery. He hung up the phone, went to the front of a house to copy an address, started walking back to his truck through the backyard and that's when Martin attacked him.

Copy an address, please there are only 3 streets in the whole complex. He had a words with Trayvon before the altercation started so how was he attacked.

Zimmerman wanted to be white, check his twitter account of what he thought about mexicans.

I don't have Twitter and never will. Why don't you link it.

I really don't feel like doing the work for you, you don't have a clue.

“I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book,” Zimmerman wrote in a 2005 post. “Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!”

Who set this whole set of events into motion?

Why didn't Zimmerman just explain what he was doing when Trayvon approached his vehicle and asked him why was he following him.

He never approached his vehicle. Listen to the 911 call. Supposedly he asked Zimmerman just before he attacked him. Zimmerman told the dispatcher "he's starting to come towards my truck" but then said he turned around and ran.

George Zimmerman’s 911 Call Before Trayvon Martin’s Death (AUDIO) (thedailybeast.com)

. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

How is that against the law?

Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

He says on the call that Trayvon was staring at him and then he states Trayvon was coming towards him. This was happening while he was in his truck stalking Trayvon. Why didn't his punk ass get out and put this teenager whom he was stalking at ease. Last time I checked it wasn't against the law to walk through the neighborhood while talking on your cellphone. So as a 17yr old it wouldn't make you feel uneasy for some dude to start following you in his truck.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You really don't have a clue about his case.

And you don't have a clue how to post, that's why I have to copy/past your replies instead of just responding to them. I have a folder with dozens and dozens of links on this case. I studied it thoroughly.

Copy an address, please there are only 3 streets in the whole complex. He had a words with Trayvon before the altercation started so how was he attacked.

What do streets have to do with it? Each house has a different address. He lived there, he knew every street in the complex. I said he went to the front of the buildings to get an address, not a street name which wouldn't appear on the front of a building anyway.

He had no words with the punk until just before the attack. That was after Martin ran, after Zimmerman hung up with police, and after he started walking back to his truck.

I really don't feel like doing the work for you, you don't have a clue.

You don't feel like doing the work because the evidence doesn't exist. You made it all up.

He says on the call that Trayvon was staring at him and then he states Trayvon was coming towards him. This was happening while he was in his truck stalking Trayvon. Why didn't his punk ass get out and put this teenager whom he was stalking at ease. Last time I checked it wasn't against the law to walk through the neighborhood while talking on your cellphone. So as a 17yr old it wouldn't make you feel uneasy for some dude to start following you in his truck.

He didn't feel uneasy. If he felt uneasy, he wouldn't have called a girlfriend, he would have called the police. Watch the reenactment video I posted. After he seen Travon, he drove away from him to the clubhouse. Martin walked to the clubhouse where he parked at. That's not stalking anybody. Martin followed him. Zimmerman didn't decide what was against the law or not. He called police for them to decide if something was amiss.

 

[pknopp]

If Zimmerman had simply called the police and went on his way we would not be discussing this today.

Probably not. But on the other hand, if Martin didn't attack Zimmerman, he'd probably be alive today too; in prison? Likely, but at least he'd be alive.

Martin felt threatened. This entire law is about people being able to protect themselves when they feel threatened.

 

[RealDave]

COLUMBUS, Ohio—Gov. Mike DeWine on Monday signed a controversial “stand your ground” bill that would eliminate Ohio’s “duty to retreat” before using force in self-defense. Senate Bill 175, fast-tracked through the Ohio General Assembly last month by DeWine’s fellow Republicans, will make Ohio the 36th state to no longer require people to retreat before they can justifiably hurt or kill someone in self-defense.

The governor had previously hinted that he would veto SB175, saying he first wanted lawmakers to pass his package of gun reforms that they sat on for more than a year. But in a release sent Monday afternoon, the governor stated that the measure removes an “ambiguity in Ohio’s self-defense law.”

Until now, under Ohio law, people have been justified in using deadly force in self-defense so long as they aren’t the aggressor, believe they are in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm, and are in their home or vehicle. The new law, which takes effect in 90 days, removes the “home or vehicle” requirement, and instead states that the defendant need only be in a place where they lawfully have the right to be.

But Democrats, along with some Senate Republicans, have sharply criticized the bill, saying (among other things) that it would result in more violence and death -- particularly against minorities.

“Only cowards would pass and sign a bill that has been proven to disproportionately harm Black people,” said House Minority Leader Emilia Sykes, an Akron Democrat, in a statement. “Only cowards would support a bill that allows people to shoot first and ask questions later. The blood of the lives lost from the signing and passage of this bill rest solely on those who supported it.”

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine signs ‘stand your ground’ bill

Gov. Mike DeWine on Monday signed a controversial “stand your ground” bill that would eliminate Ohio’s “duty to retreat” before using force in self-defense.

www.cleveland.com

My state now joins the others with common sense to pass this law which empowers the victims and weakens the criminal element. This bill has been around for several years. Before it was voted on, the Trayvon Martin incident came up, and they felt it better to put it in the drawer. But it's back stronger than ever because this also disables the attacker or their family from suing the victim when deadly force is used. We have had that protection in our homes and cars since the Republicans passed the Castle Doctrine, but not it applies just about anywhere.

As expected, the Democrats are telling us of the doom and gloom that will follow, but of course, every advancement we made to empower the victim had the same claims, yet none came true.

Outside of Cleveland.com (The Cleveland Plain Dealer) it's not being reported by our local news agencies. Gee, I wonder why.

Too bad the DC capitol police did not use the Stand Your Ground to kill all the dumbass Trumpettes that invaded the Capitiol building.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If Zimmerman had simply called the police and went on his way we would not be discussing this today.

Probably not. But on the other hand, if Martin didn't attack Zimmerman, he'd probably be alive today too; in prison? Likely, but at least he'd be alive.

Martin felt threatened. This entire law is about people being able to protect themselves when they feel threatened.

If he felt threatened, why didn't he run back to the house he was staying at? Why didn't he call the police himself instead of calling his girlfriend?

SYG law is so people don't have to retreat or keep your mouth shut when accosted. The law will go into effect 90 days after it's passage. Until that time, if somebody gets pissed off because they don't like the way I'm driving, gets out of their car screaming and yelling at me, I can't do anything about it if I'm armed. If I'm armed and scream right back, it's escalating a heated situation. As an armed citizen in this state, I have to drive away, or if can't, just sit there and take it.

If I'm armed, see somebody bust an empty bottle on my sidewalk out front, yell at the guy to clean up the mess, it turns physical and I end up shooting the SOB, I'm going to jail because I addressed him first instead of just letting him walk away and I have to clean up the busted glass.

SYG gives us more rights when we're armed. We don't have to back away from anybody.

 

[pknopp]

If Zimmerman had simply called the police and went on his way we would not be discussing this today.

Probably not. But on the other hand, if Martin didn't attack Zimmerman, he'd probably be alive today too; in prison? Likely, but at least he'd be alive.

Martin felt threatened. This entire law is about people being able to protect themselves when they feel threatened.

If he felt threatened, why didn't he run back to the house he was staying at?

Why doesn't everyone that feels threatened simply run? If everyone did that, there would be no need for this law, right?

(he told his girlfriend why he felt threatened)

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Too bad the DC capitol police did not use the Stand Your Ground to kill all the dumbass Trumpettes that invaded the Capitiol building.

Or business owners in all those liberal cities where liberals destroyed them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If Zimmerman had simply called the police and went on his way we would not be discussing this today.

Probably not. But on the other hand, if Martin didn't attack Zimmerman, he'd probably be alive today too; in prison? Likely, but at least he'd be alive.

Martin felt threatened. This entire law is about people being able to protect themselves when they feel threatened.

If he felt threatened, why didn't he run back to the house he was staying at?

Why doesn't everyone that feels threatened simply run? If everyone did that, there would be no need for this law, right?

(he told his girlfriend why he felt threatened)

We don't know what he told his girlfriend because the pig that testified was not his real girlfriend. It was somebody his girlfriend knew because she didn't want to take the stand and have to tell the truth.

Point is that Martin in no way felt threatened because he had options before him if he really did feel that way. He was younger and much better shape than Zimmerman, and could have easily been a mile away from him in no time at all. He chose to stay there and attack Zimmerman when he got the chance.

 

[pknopp]

If Zimmerman had simply called the police and went on his way we would not be discussing this today.

Probably not. But on the other hand, if Martin didn't attack Zimmerman, he'd probably be alive today too; in prison? Likely, but at least he'd be alive.

Martin felt threatened. This entire law is about people being able to protect themselves when they feel threatened.

If he felt threatened, why didn't he run back to the house he was staying at?

Why doesn't everyone that feels threatened simply run? If everyone did that, there would be no need for this law, right?

(he told his girlfriend why he felt threatened)

We don't know what he told his girlfriend because the pig that testified was not his real girlfriend. It was somebody his girlfriend knew because she didn't want to take the stand and have to tell the truth.

Point is that Martin in no way felt threatened because he had options before him if he really did feel that way. He was younger and much better shape than Zimmerman, and could have easily been a mile away from him in no time at all. He chose to stay there and attack Zimmerman when he got the chance.

You don't get to determine who felt threatened.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You don't get to determine who felt threatened.

Sure I do, just like you are determining who felt threatened. Unfortunately for you, the evidence supports my opinion more than it does yours.