Oh fuck this ethical media shit... ATTACK!

who on cnn do you consider hard left?
that retard they got to replace Larry King. Elliot "client #9" Spitzer to name two.

Piers Morgan is political? Coulda fooled me. He's an excellent interviewer, with the same talent for asking the right questions to get the answers he wants. That's exactly what made Larry King great.
 
Media Matters? Don't they have like 90 employees? And they're Progressives, right? They're the same type of people that allowed people like Hitler and Stalin to come to power.

Godwin'd

Hayek. Learn a little about history so we don't repeat the same mistakes, please.

I don't care what Hayek has to say about it, but it's historical fact that all media came under Nazi authority almost within days following Hitler establishing himself as dictator. The press, all other political parties, and the national labor union were all brought under Nazi control, period. How does Media Matters equate?
 
Ironically, they are indirectly verifying that Reagan was right. Enemies cannot be contained, the must be defeated.

Media matters is threatened by the fact that alternative viewpoints are provided on the Fox News Network. See when the message of media matters and the message of conservatives is put next to each other. The people will in large parts reject the media matters message. Hence, you have to shut down the other points of view.

It's an effort in futility. There are so many other forums to disperse the information that the message will never be contained nor defeated.

Christ, you guys are fucking drama queens. MediaMatters isn't trying to "silence" Fox. They won't even try - that would defeat the point of MediaMatters.

MediaMatters wouldn't exist if it wasn't for FOX.


Freedom of speech is a two-way street. MediaMatters is allowed to voice their freedom of speech too.

E-fucking-zactly.
 
The problem with you is that you do not want to see the truth. What's sad is that some people think, for example, the Germans were just inherently evil and that's the reason for Nazism. WRONG! They came to power because of central planning PROGRESSIVES! Learn your history, dude. It's not that hard and you won't come across as clueless.

Dude, I'm really not worried about coming across as clueless, since I do actually know what I'm talking about.

You see, I studied history at a real school, not the Glenn Beck College of History.

There were many factors that led to the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany.

A staggering defeat in WWI that crippled Germany economically and publicly. Germans were ashamed of the standing of their country at the time, a country that had been run into the ground by incompetant and weak leadership for the decades before. The German Workers Party took advantage of this by focusing on nationalism - basically the idea that Germans were superior humans, and the only reason everything was going badly were outside influences of weaker peoples (Jews, and Western Europe in general).

The Weimar Republic was financially broken by the Treaty of Versailles, and in general very corrupt, decadent, and ineffectual. Germany suffered from hyperinflation, open warfare between paramilitary organizations from the far right and the far left, and staggering financial problems from the Treaty, which had ordered reparations of around 153 billion marks. The NSDAP (commonly referred to as the Nazi Party) grew out of the aforementioned German Workers Party, and came into power in the early 1930s by election to the horribly corrupt Reichstag, eventually leading to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor in 1933.

That, combined with Hitler and company's staggering ability to propagandize led to the rise of the Nazi Party. The NSDAP found a way to channel one of humanity's greatest emotions - hatred and fear - into a political philosophy.

Not "progressives".

The word "progressive" doesn't even mean anything.

You see no link between the workers party and progressives ? Unions maybe ?

You're conveniently omitting huge chunks of history, like when Hitler's subservient legislature quickly passed The Enabling Act, which gave Hitler carte blanche permission to do anything he wanted, including kicking out union members who did not carry the Nazi message. In fact, he combined all unions into one and renamed it the "German Labor Front."
 
That's fucking hilarious. The person who told me that Media Matters are the type of people who "allowed Hitler and Stalin to come to power" is telling me that I need to learn history?

Priceless.

The problem with you is that you do not want to see the truth. What's sad is that some people think, for example, the Germans were just inherently evil and that's the reason for Nazism. WRONG! They came to power because of central planning PROGRESSIVES! Learn your history, dude. It's not that hard and you won't come across as clueless.

Dude, I'm really not worried about coming across as clueless, since I do actually know what I'm talking about.

You see, I studied history at a real school, not the Glenn Beck College of History.

There were many factors that led to the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany.

A staggering defeat in WWI that crippled Germany economically and publicly. Germans were ashamed of the standing of their country at the time, a country that had been run into the ground by incompetant and weak leadership for the decades before. The German Workers Party took advantage of this by focusing on nationalism - basically the idea that Germans were superior humans, and the only reason everything was going badly were outside influences of weaker peoples (Jews, and Western Europe in general).

The Weimar Republic was financially broken by the Treaty of Versailles, and in general very corrupt, decadent, and ineffectual. Germany suffered from hyperinflation, open warfare between paramilitary organizations from the far right and the far left, and staggering financial problems from the Treaty, which had ordered reparations of around 153 billion marks. The NSDAP (commonly referred to as the Nazi Party) grew out of the aforementioned German Workers Party, and came into power in the early 1930s by election to the horribly corrupt Reichstag, eventually leading to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor in 1933.

That, combined with Hitler and company's staggering ability to propagandize led to the rise of the Nazi Party. The NSDAP found a way to channel one of humanity's greatest emotions - hatred and fear - into a political philosophy.

Not "progressives".

The word "progressive" doesn't even mean anything.

The dems "took advantage of this by focusing on (nationalism: make this rights/entitlements) - basically the idea that (Germans: make this intellectual elites) were superior humans, and the only reason everything was going badly were outside influences of weaker peoples" (the corrupt rich or wealthy/corporations). Looks the same to me.
 
Ironically, they are indirectly verifying that Reagan was right. Enemies cannot be contained, the must be defeated.

Media matters is threatened by the fact that alternative viewpoints are provided on the Fox News Network. See when the message of media matters and the message of conservatives is put next to each other. The people will in large parts reject the media matters message. Hence, you have to shut down the other points of view.

It's an effort in futility. There are so many other forums to disperse the information that the message will never be contained nor defeated.

Christ, you guys are fucking drama queens. MediaMatters isn't trying to "silence" Fox. They won't even try - that would defeat the point of MediaMatters.

MediaMatters wouldn't exist if it wasn't for FOX.


Freedom of speech is a two-way street. MediaMatters is allowed to voice their freedom of speech too.

E-fucking-zactly.
Except for Fox. That's why we need to shut them down. Right?

Puhleeze, peddle that bullshit to the farmer and quit trying to put a helping on my plate.
 
Dude, I'm really not worried about coming across as clueless, since I do actually know what I'm talking about.

You see, I studied history at a real school, not the Glenn Beck College of History.

There were many factors that led to the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany.

A staggering defeat in WWI that crippled Germany economically and publicly. Germans were ashamed of the standing of their country at the time, a country that had been run into the ground by incompetant and weak leadership for the decades before. The German Workers Party took advantage of this by focusing on nationalism - basically the idea that Germans were superior humans, and the only reason everything was going badly were outside influences of weaker peoples (Jews, and Western Europe in general).

The Weimar Republic was financially broken by the Treaty of Versailles, and in general very corrupt, decadent, and ineffectual. Germany suffered from hyperinflation, open warfare between paramilitary organizations from the far right and the far left, and staggering financial problems from the Treaty, which had ordered reparations of around 153 billion marks. The NSDAP (commonly referred to as the Nazi Party) grew out of the aforementioned German Workers Party, and came into power in the early 1930s by election to the horribly corrupt Reichstag, eventually leading to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor in 1933.

That, combined with Hitler and company's staggering ability to propagandize led to the rise of the Nazi Party. The NSDAP found a way to channel one of humanity's greatest emotions - hatred and fear - into a political philosophy.

Not "progressives".

The word "progressive" doesn't even mean anything.

You'll have to educate me on Glenn Beck since I don't watch his program. You obviously do since you know so much about him.

In any case, your history lesson is sound. What you forgot to mention (and may not be aware of) is how, say, the Nazis were allowed to come to power in the first place. Fascism and socialism have common roots in central economic planning and the power of the state over the individual. That's what progressives believe. You see, they created the environment for the truly evil to come to power (like Hitler). It doesn't happen overnight and may take a generation to desensitize and prepare the general population for a takeover, but the inevitable outcome is nothing like what the progressives had hoped for. Look around. It's happening in the US now.

May I suggest you read the works of Alexis de Tocqueville. We have history repeating itself and we are letting it happen.

I apologize for the Beck crack. I'll make you a deal: you stop being condescending to me about "learning history", I'll stop with the Beck cracks.

But you're completely wrong about your analysis. It did happen "overnight". The German people weren't "desensitized" to stronger government, they DEMANDED it. The Nazi Party took power based on the failures of the Weimar Republic, a small, non-statist, ineffectual government.

I think they were demanding....."CHANGE".
 
The problem with you is that you do not want to see the truth. What's sad is that some people think, for example, the Germans were just inherently evil and that's the reason for Nazism. WRONG! They came to power because of central planning PROGRESSIVES! Learn your history, dude. It's not that hard and you won't come across as clueless.

Dude, I'm really not worried about coming across as clueless, since I do actually know what I'm talking about.

You see, I studied history at a real school, not the Glenn Beck College of History.

There were many factors that led to the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany.

A staggering defeat in WWI that crippled Germany economically and publicly. Germans were ashamed of the standing of their country at the time, a country that had been run into the ground by incompetant and weak leadership for the decades before. The German Workers Party took advantage of this by focusing on nationalism - basically the idea that Germans were superior humans, and the only reason everything was going badly were outside influences of weaker peoples (Jews, and Western Europe in general).

The Weimar Republic was financially broken by the Treaty of Versailles, and in general very corrupt, decadent, and ineffectual. Germany suffered from hyperinflation, open warfare between paramilitary organizations from the far right and the far left, and staggering financial problems from the Treaty, which had ordered reparations of around 153 billion marks. The NSDAP (commonly referred to as the Nazi Party) grew out of the aforementioned German Workers Party, and came into power in the early 1930s by election to the horribly corrupt Reichstag, eventually leading to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor in 1933.

That, combined with Hitler and company's staggering ability to propagandize led to the rise of the Nazi Party. The NSDAP found a way to channel one of humanity's greatest emotions - hatred and fear - into a political philosophy.

Not "progressives".

The word "progressive" doesn't even mean anything.

You'll have to educate me on Glenn Beck since I don't watch his program. You obviously do since you know so much about him.

In any case, your history lesson is sound. What you forgot to mention (and may not be aware of) is how, say, the Nazis were allowed to come to power in the first place. Fascism and socialism have common roots in central economic planning and the power of the state over the individual. That's what progressives believe. You see, they created the environment for the truly evil to come to power (like Hitler). It doesn't happen overnight and may take a generation to desensitize and prepare the general population for a takeover, but the inevitable outcome is nothing like what the progressives had hoped for. Look around. It's happening in the US now.

May I suggest you read the works of Alexis de Tocqueville. We have history repeating itself and we are letting it happen.

Bullshit. There is nothing "happening" in the US now that hasn't already been happening for over 200 years. We just have ten times more citizens all with the RIGHT to the same opportunities and benefits as the original 7 million expected.
 
You see no link between the workers party and progressives ? Unions maybe ?

Here's the NSDAP's 25 point plan - the political basis for the Nazi Party.

The Avalon Project : Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression Volume IV - Document No. 1708-PS

While there are so-called "socialist" ideas on the list (in practice, it was corporatism), the focus was much more on Nationalism and blaming others for Germany's problems.

Again, you're missing the "infrastructure" necessary that allowed the Nazis to achieve power. There will always be evil people in the world and if you give them the framework and the means to take power, they most certainly will.

The "infrastructure" was the same everywhere: Post World War I, post depression era, people looking for work, having to live meager lifestyles. Hitler was able to convince the masses that their plight was all because of migration of non-anglos to "The Fatherland."
 
who on cnn do you consider hard left?
that retard they got to replace Larry King. Elliot "client #9" Spitzer to name two.

Piers Morgan is political? Coulda fooled me. He's an excellent interviewer, with the same talent for asking the right questions to get the answers he wants. That's exactly what made Larry King great.
Piers Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Morgan was fired from the Mirror on 14 May 2004 after authorising the newspaper's publication of photographs allegedly showing Iraqi prisoners being abused by British Army soldiers from the Queen's Lancashire Regiment.[19] Within days the photographs were shown to be crude fakes. Under the headline "SORRY.. WE WERE HOAXED", the Mirror responded that it had fallen victim to a "calculated and malicious hoax" and apologised for the publication of the photographs.[20]
Morgan sacked from Daily Mirror | Media | MediaGuardian

Nooooo... he's perfectly innocent and unbiased. :rolleyes: So was Marla Mapes and Valerie Plame. Remind me. Was George Stuffitupyourass a member of Clinton's staff? Oh that's right... he was. Do you expect me to believe people like that become non-partisan too when they spent a life as political hacks?

A regular British Dan Rather.
 
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that retard they got to replace Larry King. Elliot "client #9" Spitzer to name two.

Piers Morgan is political? Coulda fooled me. He's an excellent interviewer, with the same talent for asking the right questions to get the answers he wants. That's exactly what made Larry King great.
Piers Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Morgan was fired from the Mirror on 14 May 2004 after authorising the newspaper's publication of photographs allegedly showing Iraqi prisoners being abused by British Army soldiers from the Queen's Lancashire Regiment.[19] Within days the photographs were shown to be crude fakes. Under the headline "SORRY.. WE WERE HOAXED", the Mirror responded that it had fallen victim to a "calculated and malicious hoax" and apologised for the publication of the photographs.[20]
Morgan sacked from Daily Mirror | Media | MediaGuardian

Nooooo... he's perfectly innocent and unbiased. :rolleyes: So was Marla Mapes and Valerie Plame. Remind me. Was George Stuffitupyourass a member of Clinton's staff? Oh that's right... he was. Do you expect me to believe people like that become non-partisan too when they spent a life as political hacks?

A regular British Dan Rather.

So what's he currently doing that pisses you off? I don't even watch him regularly, so I'm truly curious. Geezus, calm down, wouldya?

I'd still suggest that Morgan is probably less biased than, say, Sarah Palin or Mike Huckabee, possible presidential candidates, who have been given their own shows on Fox. And George Stephanopoulos was replaced by Bill Clinton with <drumroll please> David Gergen, whom I believe was a speech writer for Ronald Reagan. Any other "comparisons" you'd like to make?
 
Piers Morgan is political? Coulda fooled me. He's an excellent interviewer, with the same talent for asking the right questions to get the answers he wants. That's exactly what made Larry King great.
Piers Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Morgan was fired from the Mirror on 14 May 2004 after authorising the newspaper's publication of photographs allegedly showing Iraqi prisoners being abused by British Army soldiers from the Queen's Lancashire Regiment.[19] Within days the photographs were shown to be crude fakes. Under the headline "SORRY.. WE WERE HOAXED", the Mirror responded that it had fallen victim to a "calculated and malicious hoax" and apologised for the publication of the photographs.[20]
Morgan sacked from Daily Mirror | Media | MediaGuardian

Nooooo... he's perfectly innocent and unbiased. :rolleyes: So was Marla Mapes and Valerie Plame. Remind me. Was George Stuffitupyourass a member of Clinton's staff? Oh that's right... he was. Do you expect me to believe people like that become non-partisan too when they spent a life as political hacks?

A regular British Dan Rather.

So what's he currently doing that pisses you off? I don't even watch him regularly, so I'm truly curious. Geezus, calm down, wouldya?

I'd still suggest that Morgan is probably less biased than, say, Sarah Palin or Mike Huckabee, possible presidential candidates, who have been given their own shows on Fox. And George Stephanopoulos was replaced by Bill Clinton with <drumroll please> David Gergen, whom I believe was a speech writer for Ronald Reagan. Any other "comparisons" you'd like to make?
Looking for equivalency doesn't change the point. You want to give passes to the leftwing media while burning Fox to the ground.

Who on fox has been fired for perpetrating a hoax on another major paper or news outlet?
 
I do believe I can laugh at every 'media matters' link from now on with much more authority.

Media Matters' war against Fox - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

What's the old adage? It's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it.

Somebody has to get even with those fucks.

They keep exposing our conspiracies.

Rat-bastards let everyone know about the plan to crash the economy in May.

There went another $6 billion in hedgefund speculation right down the drain.
 
I do believe I can laugh at every 'media matters' link from now on with much more authority.

Media Matters' war against Fox - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

What's the old adage? It's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it.

Somebody has to get even with those fucks.

They keep exposing our conspiracies.

Rat-bastards let everyone know about the plan to crash the economy in May.

There went another $6 billion in hedgefund speculation right down the drain.
Ze revolution vill be televized UND bet upon!
 
Ironically, they are indirectly verifying that Reagan was right. Enemies cannot be contained, the must be defeated.

Media matters is threatened by the fact that alternative viewpoints are provided on the Fox News Network. See when the message of media matters and the message of conservatives is put next to each other. The people will in large parts reject the media matters message. Hence, you have to shut down the other points of view.

It's an effort in futility. There are so many other forums to disperse the information that the message will never be contained nor defeated.

No, but we can do our best to debunk erroneous messages as often as Fox et al. repeats them.
 
Call the wammmmbulance. This is about Fox News kicking the shit out of anything MsNBC or Cnn puts on ratings wise.

One on one, yes, but when you consider that more people are watching SOMETHING OTHER THAN FOX at any given time, then Fox loses.
 
The problem with you is that you do not want to see the truth. What's sad is that some people think, for example, the Germans were just inherently evil and that's the reason for Nazism. WRONG! They came to power because of central planning PROGRESSIVES! Learn your history, dude. It's not that hard and you won't come across as clueless.

Dude, I'm really not worried about coming across as clueless, since I do actually know what I'm talking about.

You see, I studied history at a real school, not the Glenn Beck College of History.

There were many factors that led to the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany.

A staggering defeat in WWI that crippled Germany economically and publicly. Germans were ashamed of the standing of their country at the time, a country that had been run into the ground by incompetant and weak leadership for the decades before. The German Workers Party took advantage of this by focusing on nationalism - basically the idea that Germans were superior humans, and the only reason everything was going badly were outside influences of weaker peoples (Jews, and Western Europe in general).

The Weimar Republic was financially broken by the Treaty of Versailles, and in general very corrupt, decadent, and ineffectual. Germany suffered from hyperinflation, open warfare between paramilitary organizations from the far right and the far left, and staggering financial problems from the Treaty, which had ordered reparations of around 153 billion marks. The NSDAP (commonly referred to as the Nazi Party) grew out of the aforementioned German Workers Party, and came into power in the early 1930s by election to the horribly corrupt Reichstag, eventually leading to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor in 1933.

That, combined with Hitler and company's staggering ability to propagandize led to the rise of the Nazi Party. The NSDAP found a way to channel one of humanity's greatest emotions - hatred and fear - into a political philosophy.

Not "progressives".

The word "progressive" doesn't even mean anything.

The dems "took advantage of this by focusing on (nationalism: make this rights/entitlements) - basically the idea that (Germans: make this intellectual elites) were superior humans, and the only reason everything was going badly were outside influences of weaker peoples" (the corrupt rich or wealthy/corporations). Looks the same to me.

That's the wildest stretch I've ever seen.
 

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