O'Donnell questions separation of church, state

[geauxtohell]

Never fear, Teabaggers!

Rush Limbaugh is here to carry O'Donnell's water for her...

RealClearPolitics - Video - Limbaugh: O'Donnell Correct About First Amendment

 

[bodecea]

That's not separation of church and state.

That was a made up construct, like Kwaanzaa.

Kwanza's made up? Wow, so is Christmas. What's your point?

You do realize that Kwaanza is the Black equivalent of White Power/White Supermacist Day don't you?

You seriously believe that, don't you?

 

[GHook93]

However, if you look at her response, she had no idea whether it was true or not that is why she shut the fuck up quick! She had no idea what is in the first amendment, so she was quiet.

Worse yet was she had absolutely no idea what was inside the 14th amendment, the MOST utilitized amendment outside the 1st amendment! Also troubling is she didn't know the 16th amendment! Come on, if your a conservative and you don't know the only amendment addressing taxes then you have issue. ConLaw 101 to everyone, the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendment all have do with Civil Rights!!!

The real story here is the liberal arrogance.

It does not say separation of church and state anywhere in the constitution. God is all throughout out government. They prayer before each congressional session, in god we trust, endowed by our creator, all references to God.

A state can not proclaim itself an Islam state or a Jewish state or a Christian state. That's what is meant by The First Amendment : "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

nowhere does the quote separation of church and state appear. This is the brainwashing of political rhetoric.

 

[bodecea]

Were talking practicing Religion, beliefs versus...Wait for it...ESTABLISHING LAW...

Of course Sharia could be stopped. Just don't VOTE for it. We are talking exercising religious beliefs...NOT speaking of establishing a LAW.

See how that works? Nice StrawDog Arguement though...too bad your attempt FAILED MISERABLY.

Actually, my point was made quite nicely by you....different religions...different set of rules. Yours is the kind of attitude our Founders made the 1st Amendment to protect AGAINST.

Bullsqueeze. Sharia LAW vs. Practice of Religion in the Constitution...Guess what Religion is permitted under Sharia?

You are an Idiot. You defeated yourself.

Sharia is Contrary to the Constitution. Nice try at turning my words against me. Didn't work wench. I said the contrary of what you accused me of.

Try again fruitloop.

Thank you again for proving my point for me. You do that a lot.....without even realizing it. That's why I think it's vital to have people like you around....as a warning.

 

[geauxtohell]

However, if you look at her response, she had no idea whether it was true or not that is why she shut the fuck up quick! She had no idea what is in the first amendment, so she was quiet.

Worse yet was she had absolutely no idea what was inside the 14th amendment, the MOST utilitized amendment outside the 1st amendment! Also troubling is she didn't know the 16th amendment! Come on, if your a conservative and you don't know the only amendment addressing taxes then you have issue. ConLaw 101 to everyone, the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendment all have do with Civil Rights!!!

The real story here is the liberal arrogance.

It does not say separation of church and state anywhere in the constitution. God is all throughout out government. They prayer before each congressional session, in god we trust, endowed by our creator, all references to God.

A state can not proclaim itself an Islam state or a Jewish state or a Christian state. That's what is meant by The First Amendment : "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

nowhere does the quote separation of church and state appear. This is the brainwashing of political rhetoric.

Yeah. She wasn't making an esoteric argument here.

She's as ignorant of the Constitution as she is of evolution.

 

[Queen]

The real story here is the liberal arrogance.

It does not say separation of church and state anywhere in the constitution. God is all throughout out government. They prayer before each congressional session, in god we trust, endowed by our creator, all references to God.

A state can not proclaim itself an Islam state or a Jewish state or a Christian state. That's what is meant by The First Amendment : "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

nowhere does the quote separation of church and state appear. This is the brainwashing of political rhetoric.

And you've never heard of Thomas Jefferson, right?

What a bunch of idiots you christian right wingers are.

 

[Sheldon]

The real story here is the liberal arrogance.

It does not say separation of church and state anywhere in the constitution. God is all throughout out government. They prayer before each congressional session, in god we trust, endowed by our creator, all references to God.

A state can not proclaim itself an Islam state or a Jewish state or a Christian state. That's what is meant by The First Amendment : "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

nowhere does the quote separation of church and state appear. This is the brainwashing of political rhetoric.

man I wish I could thank myself or positive rep myself sometimes.

For what, restating the obvious?

Of course those words aren't verbatim in the Constitution; I had harder reading assignments in kindergarten. But anyone with a marginal understanding of the Constitution--which should be a requirement for political office--would know that "separation of Church and State" is a logical conclusion from the wording of the First and a phrase coined by the most famous Founder. That she had to even ask...

Don't thank yourself too much, unless you want to starting acting like an arrogant liberal.

 

[geauxtohell]

Yes. You heard it from Limbaugh.

All those Law Students are idiots for jeering at O'Donnells question.

 

[The Infidel]

POLITICO.com: VIDEOS

Listen to the crowd.

That scares me.... the fact that many peolpe are that IGNORANT of what The Constitution actually says, and its proper interpritation.

Amendment I: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I can read, and I dont see the words "seperation of church and state"

Congress can not establish a religion for America... thats what the pilgrims were fleeing from. Religious persicution by the State.



I am amazed at the ignorance from so many USMB member too Wow, just wow....

 

[The Infidel]

However, if you look at her response, she had no idea whether it was true or not that is why she shut the fuck up quick! She had no idea what is in the first amendment, so she was quiet.

Actually, I think she was as shocked as I was, that all those "law" students were so damn ignorant of The Constitution.

 

[The Infidel]

Never fear, Teabaggers!

Rush Limbaugh is here to carry O'Donnell's water for her...

RealClearPolitics - Video - Limbaugh: O'Donnell Correct About First Amendment

Have no fear.... MSNBC is there to carry Coon's water for him

O'Donnell questions separation of church, state - Politics - Decision 2010 - msnbc.com

 

[geauxtohell]

POLITICO.com: VIDEOS

Listen to the crowd.

That scares me.... the fact that many peolpe are that IGNORANT of what The Constitution actually says, and its proper interpritation.

Amendment I: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I can read, and I dont see the words "seperation of church and state"

Congress can not establish a religion for America... thats what the pilgrims were fleeing from. Religious persicution by the State.



I am amazed at the ignorance from so many USMB member too Wow, just wow....

Yeah, Coons explains it to her and quotes it ver batum. She still doesn't get it.

Apparently she also doesn't know what the 14th and 16th amendment are. Here is a special clip for all you people who think that this was some sort of esoteric argument on O'Donnell's part and not patent ignorance, watch more than the one minute edited clip given to you by your talking heads. It gets funny around the 3:30 mark where O'Donnell displays her patent ignorance of the issue (also funny: the look on Coons face).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miwSljJAzqg&feature=player_embedded#!

 

[Queen]

POLITICO.com: VIDEOS

Listen to the crowd.

That scares me.... the fact that many peolpe are that IGNORANT of what The Constitution actually says, and its proper interpritation.

Amendment I: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I can read, and I dont see the words "seperation of church and state"

Congress can not establish a religion for America... thats what the pilgrims were fleeing from. Religious persicution by the State.



I am amazed at the ignorance from so many USMB member too Wow, just wow....

God damn.....another idiot conservative who's never heard of Thomas Jefferson. You people are ridiculous in your ignorance.

 

[Ravi]

The woman is an embarrassment to women everywhere. What is up with the GOP running idiotic women for office?

 

[Revere]

Where is "separation of church and state" quoted in the Constitution?

 

[Steerpike]

This episode shows ignorance on the part of O'Donnell as well as the audience laughing at her.

Technically, she is correct. There is no Separation of Church and State in the Constitution, so when you ask where in the Constitution it is located, the answer is that it isn't. There's a fair bit of academic debate on this point in legal journals. But as someone said above, I doubt O'Donnell was making such a fine point. She just comes off as looking bad.

But the audience whose knee-jerk reaction is to laugh, and the others who for politically reason pounce on this without thinking about it, look just as ignorant. Because even though it looks like O'Donnell just stumbled into this, she's right. It's not in there, but it is language used in Supreme Court opinions and is now part of our jurisprudence. Even though the Constitution itself doesn't include a separation of church and State, the Establishment and Free Exercise clauses of the First Amendment have been interpreted in that manner for some time.

 

[Intense]

O'Donnell questions separation of church, state - Politics - Decision 2010 - msnbc.com

"Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?" O'Donnell asked him.

When Coons responded that the First Amendment bars Congress from making laws respecting the establishment of religion, O'Donnell asked: "You're telling me that's in the First Amendment?"

Her comments, in a debate aired on radio station WDEL, generated a buzz in the audience.

I thought these Tea Party candidates were all about Constitutionalism? WTF???

James Madison was an advocate of Separation of Church and State, in relation to Dogma and Theocracy. This Philosophy originated with John Locke, as best as I can tell.

This Philosophy can also be found In
A Letter Concerning Toleration
by John Locke
1689
John Locke: A Letter Concerning Toleration

From "Memorial and Remonstrance"....... in Part......
Because we hold it for a fundamental and undeniable truth, "that religion or the duty which we owe to our Creator and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence." The Religion then of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man; and it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate. This right is in its nature an unalienable right. It is unalienable, because the opinions of men, depending only on the evidence contemplated by their own minds cannot follow the dictates of other men: It is unalienable also, because what is here a right towards men, is a duty towards the Creator. It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage and such only as he believes to be acceptable to him. This duty is precedent, both in order of time and in degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society. Before any man can be considerd as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governour of the Universe: And if a member of Civil Society, do it with a saving of his allegiance to the Universal Sovereign. We maintain therefore that in matters of Religion, no man's right is abridged by the institution of Civil Society and that Religion is wholly exempt from its cognizance. True it is, that no other rule exists, by which any question which may divide a Society, can be ultimately determined, but the will of the majority; but it is also true that the majority may trespass on the rights of the minority.

Because Religion be exempt from the authority of the Society at large, still less can it be subject to that of the Legislative Body. The latter are but the creatures and vicegerents of the former. Their jurisdiction is both derivative and limited: it is limited with regard to the co-ordinate departments, more necessarily is it limited with regard to the constituents. The preservation of a free Government requires not merely, that the metes and bounds which separate each department of power be invariably maintained; but more especially that neither of them be suffered to overleap the great Barrier which defends the rights of the people. The Rulers who are guilty of such an encroachment, exceed the commission from which they derive their authority, and are Tyrants. The People who submit to it are governed by laws made neither by themselves nor by an authority derived from them, and are slaves.

Because it is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. We hold this prudent jealousy to be the first duty of Citizens, and one of the noblest characteristics of the late Revolution. The free men of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entagled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle. We revere this lesson too much soon to forget it. Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?

Because the Bill violates the equality which ought to be the basis of every law, and which is more indispensible, in proportion as the validity or expediency of any law is more liable to be impeached. If "all men are by nature equally free and independent," all men are to be considered as entering into Society on equal conditions; as relinquishing no more, and therefore retaining no less, one than another, of their natural rights. Above all are they to be considered as retaining an "equal title to the free exercise of Religion according to the dictates of Conscience." Whilst we assert for ourselves a freedom to embrace, to profess and to observe the Religion which we believe to be of divine origin, we cannot deny an equal freedom to those whose minds have not yet yielded to the evidence which has convinced us. If this freedom be abused, it is an offence against God, not against man: To God, therefore, not to man, must an account of it be rendered. As the Bill violates equality by subjecting some to peculiar burdens, so it violates the same principle, by granting to others peculiar exemptions. Are the quakers and Menonists the only sects who think a compulsive support of their Religions unnecessary and unwarrantable? can their piety alone be entrusted with the care of public worship? Ought their Religions to be endowed above all others with extraordinary privileges by which proselytes may be enticed from all others? We think too favorably of the justice and good sense of these demoninations to believe that they either covet pre-eminences over their fellow citizens or that they will be seduced by them from the common opposition to the measure.

Because the Bill implies either that the Civil Magistrate is a competent Judge of Religious Truth; or that he may employ Religion as an engine of Civil policy. The first is an arrogant pretension falsified by the contradictory opinions of Rulers in all ages, and throughout the world: the second an unhallowed perversion of the means of salvation.


Religious Freedom Page: Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, James Madison (1785)

 

[Sallow]

The woman is an embarrassment to women everywhere. What is up with the GOP running idiotic women for office?

She's just one of many extremists they have put up.

 

[Political Junky]

Christine O'Donnell's church and state gaffe makes voters laugh | World news | The Guardian

It was great seeing the audience laugh at her ignorance.

 

[Intense]

The woman is an embarrassment to women everywhere. What is up with the GOP running idiotic women for office?

She's just one of many extremists they have put up.

Yeah, like Dean, Kerry, Pelosi, Reid, Cuomo, Frank, Teddy Kennedy,........on and on and on