Octuplets' Mom: Wanted Big Family to Compensate for Isolation of Her Childhood

[Againsheila]

so i'll ask again...

how many are in favor of a government imposed limit and or test prior to the embryo implant?

forget the conservative v. liberal (v. fascists) aspect.

personally, i'm torn. sure there could be mental test, but how do give that? sure there could be a financial test, but i'm sure i favor that either.

on the other hand given what we know bout this mother we're devouring seems like limiting her to say 1-2 implants would have been ah reasonable? no?

I think we should limit implants at any single time to no more than 2.

 

[Againsheila]

My grandmother had 13 kids. I heard the story that one of my uncles ran away from home because he said that every time he came home from school, momma was having a baby. He was only gone a couple of hours though. But I have no doubt it will affect some of the other kids. That's when the mother has to step in and give that child what they need.

I think it was easier in the past to have large families because usually people were part of large extended families so there were more adult relatives around to provide guidance and care. Also, expectations and responsibilities of parents were different in past generations. Now people hire nannies, even when they have just one kid. I'm sure there are as many good nannies as bad parents out there but still, it seems like kids are not always getting a stable homelife, regardless of their economic situation.

You're forgetting the biggest reason why people had large families. No birthcontrol. As my mom told me when I asked her why she had 5 kids "By the time I figured out what caused it, I was addicted."

 

[catzmeow]

Re: The OP....

Children aren't toys for the amusement of adults. Having children is a sacred responsibility to everyone else in society that you won't **** up the job. This woman should have gone down to the local animal shelter and adopted some pets.

 

[Bern80]

She obviously has mental problems.

What amazing irony that she worked in a mental hospital. some of the loonieness must have rubbed off.

 

[WillowTree]

so i'll ask again...

how many are in favor of a government imposed limit and or test prior to the embryo implant?

forget the conservative v. liberal (v. fascists) aspect.

personally, i'm torn. sure there could be mental test, but how do give that? sure there could be a financial test, but i'm sure i favor that either.

on the other hand given what we know bout this mother we're devouring seems like limiting her to say 1-2 implants would have been ah reasonable? no?

Getting pregnant accidentlally is a far cry from what this lady did. She pruposefully impregnated herself with 8 babies.. knowing she was unmarried, unemployed and homeless. knowing she already had 6 she was unable to care for.. does that sound like a good decision to anyone? anyone?

 

[Anguille]

My grandmother had 13 kids. I heard the story that one of my uncles ran away from home because he said that every time he came home from school, momma was having a baby. He was only gone a couple of hours though. But I have no doubt it will affect some of the other kids. That's when the mother has to step in and give that child what they need.

I think it was easier in the past to have large families because usually people were part of large extended families so there were more adult relatives around to provide guidance and care. Also, expectations and responsibilities of parents were different in past generations. Now people hire nannies, even when they have just one kid. I'm sure there are as many good nannies as bad parents out there but still, it seems like kids are not always getting a stable homelife, regardless of their economic situation.

You're forgetting the biggest reason why people had large families. No birthcontrol. As my mom told me when I asked her why she had 5 kids "By the time I figured out what caused it, I was addicted."

I'm not forgetting that. That's the number one cause why they happened. That and medical advances and less starvation.
I'm just saying when you ended up with a big family back then, you may have had more help and less expectations of what you were supposed to do as a parent.

Your mom sound like a funny lady.

 

[Anguille]

Re: The OP....

Children aren't toys for the amusement of adults. Having children is a sacred responsibility to everyone else in society that you won't **** up the job. This woman should have gone down to the local animal shelter and adopted some pets.

I don't think he would have been safe to entrust with pets either. Thinking cat lady type.

 

[editec]

Putting aside the whole issue of the woman's fiscal irresponsibility...

How the hell does sombody with dozens of children give them the parental love and attention every kid needs?

Having this many kids insures that they can't possible all be getting the nurturing and parental attention that they need.

The woman's mad, and the MD who helped her to do this ought to have his license pulled.

 

[Care4all]

My husband's best friend Mike, was adopted...his parents gave him up at birth...this was around 45 years ago....

his adopted mom and dad ended up getting divorced, and he continued to live with his father....then his house burnt down when he was 16, and adopted dad went on to live in with his girlfriend and mike had no where to go, so he was sleeping on benches in parks and then waking up to continue to go to school...

Showering when he could, at the school....but not nearly enough to keep him from becoming scruffy.

Matthew befriended him and felt sorry for him, without telling his mom what was going on in mike's life, matt asked if mike could stay the night....matt's mom said sure and mike stayed on the couch that night....

(now this is going to sound funny) But Mikes shoes and feet stunk up the entire house, and my MIL could not get to sleep the whole night, even in the other room with her door shut, she said he stunk so badly....

Anyway, the next morning matt and mike went off to school, and when matt came home his mom had a word or two with him...and said that young man was never setting foot in this house again until he learns something about cleanliness....there was no further arguing with her about it....

So then, the emotional matt in this fight with his mom shouts out, WELL WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? HE'S BEEN SLEEPING ON BENCHES IN PARKS WITH NO WHERE TO SHOWER AND WASH HIS CLOTHES....and proceeded to tell her that mike's father's house burned down and mike's dad just moved in with his girlfriend and let mike fend for himself!!!!

My MIL said to Matt, WHAT? WHAT DID YOU SAY, and matt repeated that his father left him to fend for himself and the whole story again....

And my MIL, God rest her soul, told matthew to ''git right out now and find that young man Mike on that park bench and tell him he can come and live with us.''

so that's what happened, mike went to live with Matt and my mother and father in law, and matt's brother, and matt's sister's son who matt's sister abandoned and my mother in law took in to rear as her own child as well.

Did i say that my husband's family were DIRT POOR when he was young...and i do not think you can comprehend what dirt poor is....but let's just say his parent's house is humbling to most....700 sq feet with 6 and sometimes 7 or 8 when matt's oldest brother and sister decided they needed a roof over head, with one very, very very small bath and a kitchen that could fit through an eye of a needle it was so small....but they were happy and my in laws had faith that somehow, God would provide, with an extra teenage boy's mouth to feed....and it did work out, they managed to get by.

(Now this was 30* years ago, and last year before my mother in law passed on, when she retells the story she still had tears in her eyes...as she tells me how horrified she was that she thought all those awful things about mike cuz he stunk so badly.)

Well, why i mentioned this is last year, Mike found his blood family....12 brothers and sisters who had been looking for him for 45 years...all blood siblings.

What happened is that his mom and dad were married and had 6 children, but then his mom and dad had troubles and split for a divorce, in which time his mom found out she was pregnant with him. they went on to divorce, and gave up mike for adoption while his mom got custody of the other 6.

then, the Lord worked in mysterious ways and his mom and dad, fell back in love with eachother, and got remarried to eachother and went on to have 5 more children together.

When they reunited, they searched for Mike, and could not find him and were not given the info to find him....they told all of their other children about him and them giving him up....they were always honest with the children they did have at home, about mike.

When his siblings got older, they too tried to get the info on who mike was adopted by...to no avail...then when his younger set of siblings got older, the youngest was the age of the internet savvy and he pursued it, along with laws being changed over the years that finally allows one to get in touch with one adopted out....if the other person adopted is searching for them, and mike was searching for them, he felt lost without them....always.

Anyway, the one younger brother found him and he met up with all 11 brothers and sisters and they just doted over him....his parents had just died 3 years earlier so he missed out on that, but his brothers and sisters are in hog heaven and happy campers and so is he....my husband got to meet them all....and all of them are on a friends and family network...with unlimited minutes so they are catching up on the lost time...

these 12 brothers and sisters are all successful, normal, human beings and they loved their life as kids together...the only one missing out on this healthy childhood, was MIKE, the one that was adopted out.

Something to think about, no?

care

 

[Care4all]

so i'll ask again...

how many are in favor of a government imposed limit and or test prior to the embryo implant?

forget the conservative v. liberal (v. fascists) aspect.

personally, i'm torn. sure there could be mental test, but how do give that? sure there could be a financial test, but i'm sure i favor that either.

on the other hand given what we know bout this mother we're devouring seems like limiting her to say 1-2 implants would have been ah reasonable? no?

I don't think a financial test is necessary but I also don't think insurance should pay for any more implants once she's had, say , two children.

I do think doctors should be more cognizant of the signs of mental illness. If this doctor knew she wanted kids to cure her of depression that should have sent up a red flag. That she already had 6 should have sent up another.

I favor regulation the limits implants of no more than 2 at a time unless the patient agrees in writing to abort extra fetuses that form or take hold.

This should never happen to any other mother or children again.

People will end up going to Brazil though. Some people are child hoarders.

insurance doesn't pay for it now, do they....? They didn't back when i was trying...?

 

[Anguille]

so i'll ask again...

how many are in favor of a government imposed limit and or test prior to the embryo implant?

forget the conservative v. liberal (v. fascists) aspect.

personally, i'm torn. sure there could be mental test, but how do give that? sure there could be a financial test, but i'm sure i favor that either.

on the other hand given what we know bout this mother we're devouring seems like limiting her to say 1-2 implants would have been ah reasonable? no?

I don't think a financial test is necessary but I also don't think insurance should pay for any more implants once she's had, say , two children.

I do think doctors should be more cognizant of the signs of mental illness. If this doctor knew she wanted kids to cure her of depression that should have sent up a red flag. That she already had 6 should have sent up another.

I favor regulation the limits implants of no more than 2 at a time unless the patient agrees in writing to abort extra fetuses that form or take hold.

This should never happen to any other mother or children again.

People will end up going to Brazil though. Some people are child hoarders.

insurance doesn't pay for it now, do they....? They didn't back when i was trying...?

I don't actually know if they do. I suppose some kinds do. A lot pay for Viagra so it seems fair they should do something for women too.
Actually that is an issue I haven't considered much and don't have any strong feelings about.

 

[Dickmeyerslo]

Everyone involved with this is mentally ill. The only hope we have is that she goes sterile! We can pray....

 

[doeton]

"these 12 brothers and sisters are all successful, normal, human beings and they loved their life as kids together...the only one missing out on this healthy childhood, was MIKE, the one that was adopted out.

Something to think about, no?"

well your hubby's mom was a saint.

but growing up with 12 brothers n sisters one of whom was given up for adoption because mom n dad couldn't get along (surely there weren't financial problem in finding food for 14)...doesn't quite make for a reaffirming have all the kids you want and we can sing like the van tramps picture...

 

[Care4all]

"these 12 brothers and sisters are all successful, normal, human beings and they loved their life as kids together...the only one missing out on this healthy childhood, was MIKE, the one that was adopted out.

Something to think about, no?"

well your hubby's mom was a saint.

but growing up with 12 brothers n sisters one of whom was given up for adoption because mom n dad couldn't get along (surely there weren't financial problem in finding food for 14)...doesn't quite make for a reaffirming have all the kids you want and we can sing like the van tramps picture...

regardless, it's none of your business.

there are couples that have only one child they can not afford when they have them....you gonna give that child to the State as well?

we do not get to pick and choose for someone elses personal decisions within the law and constitution, that is what freedom is all about....imho.

 

[doeton]

regardless, it's none of your business.

there are couples that have only one child they can not afford when they have them....you gonna give that child to the State as well?

we do not get to pick and choose for someone elses personal decisions within the law and constitution, that is what freedom is all about....imho.

respect.

 

[KittenKoder]

Married or not, financial instability is certainly a good reason to not have children (I hate paying for those kids), and mental issues (my own mother was one ... look how wonderful I turned out).

However, anyone willing to be livestock and have so many offspring are not worth keeping alive regardless. She isn't human, she's a walking incubator.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There should be some violation of ethics charges brought against the fertility doctor.

The U.S. fertility industry has guidelines on how many embryos doctors should implant, with the number varying by age and other factors. The guidelines call for no more than two for a generally healthy woman younger than 35, and no more than five for women older than 40.

If eight embryos were implanted at once, that is "well beyond our guidelines," Dr. R. Dale McClure, president of the reproductive medicine society, said in a statement.

The Columbus Dispatch : Size of octuplets' family stirs fertility-ethics furor

 

[KittenKoder]

There should be some violation of ethics charges brought against the fertility doctor.

The U.S. fertility industry has guidelines on how many embryos doctors should implant, with the number varying by age and other factors. The guidelines call for no more than two for a generally healthy woman younger than 35, and no more than five for women older than 40.

If eight embryos were implanted at once, that is "well beyond our guidelines," Dr. R. Dale McClure, president of the reproductive medicine society, said in a statement.

The Columbus Dispatch : Size of octuplets' family stirs fertility-ethics furor

Yep ...

 

[Anguille]

There should be some violation of ethics charges brought against the fertility doctor.

The U.S. fertility industry has guidelines on how many embryos doctors should implant, with the number varying by age and other factors. The guidelines call for no more than two for a generally healthy woman younger than 35, and no more than five for women older than 40.

If eight embryos were implanted at once, that is "well beyond our guidelines," Dr. R. Dale McClure, president of the reproductive medicine society, said in a statement.

The Columbus Dispatch : Size of octuplets' family stirs fertility-ethics furor

Interesting! Thanks for looking that up. I figured there must be guidelines the doctor had violated.
I suppose he will claim it was a question of implanting her with all or see them destroyed, since she said she could not afford to keep them stored any longer. The extremists anti abortionists will claim not to implant the would constitute an abortion.

 

[Care4all]

Jesus, God Almighty....you should have killed this woman as livestock and eaten her body.

you are just like the EVIL CHINESE forcing women to abort their babies if they have one child already.


sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick

you say she's immoral, non human, livestock

YOU are the ones being immoral.

I refuse to live in communist China, and YOU will never make me turn my country in to what they are and they do.

nuff said.