October Surprise: Top Reagan Backers Persuaded Iran to Hold the Hostages Until after the 1980 Election

[theHawk]

Who debunked it? Who? Have you read Bird's book or Parry's book? Do you know that Iranian sources later confirmed the deal?

And, FYI, Carter had already finalized the agreement with Iran to release the hostages, but even then Iran delayed their release until after Reagan was sworn in. If high-level Reagan operatives had not made the back-channel deal with the Ayatollah, the hostages would have been released before the election.

Iranian sources? Are you joking?

Look who the Russian puppet is now.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

We can't really blame Carter for the failed rescue attempt. It was a combination of bad weather and faulty maintenance. But the rescue attempt is really beside the point. The point is that it was illegal and immoral for Reagan backers to persuade the Iranians to keep holding the hostages until after the election.

Never Negotiate Out of Fear; Always Force Your Enemies to Negotiate Out of ?Fear

Just use common sense instead of "investigative" jurinalistic ignorance. Reagan threatened to nuke Iran if the theocratic fanatics didn't release the hostages. With Reagan's hardline reputation and the Ayatollah's smug conviction that the Americans, including the electorate, were pushovers if led by anyone else, they caved in as soon as Ray Gun was elected.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Not at all. With Republican promises of a better deal from Reagan, the Iranians were only too happy to spite Carter by releasing the hostages right after Reagan's inauguration. And Reagan started selling weapons to the Ayatollah's regime soon after he took office, something that Carter had refused to do.

Moreover, Reagan kept selling weapons to Iran. Heard of the Iran-Contra affair? Carter never would have done that. I say this as someone who voted for Reagan and who still admires Reagan.

As for the failed rescue operation, only blind partisans will blame Carter. The mission failed partly because it was not well planned and mainly because it encountered horrible weather. Carter did not micromanage the mission planning but, as he should have, let the military plan the operation.

I notice nobody is dealing with the evidence that October Surprise plot occurred.

Jimmy Cracked Corn, and the Libtards Popped It

 

[mikegriffith1]

Reagan threatened to nuke Iran if the theocratic fanatics didn't release the hostages.

That is sheer fiction.

With Reagan's hardline reputation and the Ayatollah's smug conviction that the Americans, including the electorate, were pushovers if led by anyone else, they caved in as soon as Ray Gun was elected.

I know this is a sacred tenet of GOP mythology, but it's simply not true. Far from "getting tough" with Iran, Reagan quickly began selling weapons to Iran--and he continued to do so.

And Carter was no pushover. He crippled Iran's economy with sanctions, including the freezing of Iranian assets held in American banks, which amounted to about 8% of Iran's GDP at the time.

We now know that if the mullahs had put the hostages on trial, Carter was going to ask Congress for a declaration of war and was going to start mining Iran's harbors.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A good, fairly short online article on the evidence on the October Surprise is Dr. Leslie Griffin's article "Was the October Surprise Treason?" Dr. Griffin is a professor of law at the University of Nevada and has been studying this subject for decades. Here's her article:

Was the October Surprise Treason? Craig Unger’s Den of Spies

UNLV Boyd School of Law professor Leslie C. Griffin revisits the “October Surprise,” a theory alleging that the Reagan/Bush campaign in 1980 covertly negotiated with Iran to delay the release of Ameri...

verdict.justia.com

Yes, left-wing October surprise conspiracists are traitors.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Not at all. With Republican promises of a better deal from Reagan, the Iranians were only too happy to spite Carter by releasing the hostages right after Reagan's inauguration. And Reagan started selling weapons to the Ayatollah's regime soon after he took office, something that Carter had refused to do.

Moreover, Reagan kept selling weapons to Iran. Heard of the Iran-Contra affair? Carter never would have done that. I say this as someone who voted for Reagan and who still admires Reagan.

As for the failed rescue operation, only blind partisans will blame Carter. The mission failed partly because it was not well planned and mainly because it encountered horrible weather. Carter did not micromanage the mission planning but, as he should have, let the military plan the operation.

I notice nobody is dealing with the evidence that October Surprise plot occurred.

I notice nobody is dealing with the evidence that October Surprise plot occurred.

Dealing with the absence of evidence that it occurred?

 

[whitehall]

Whatever Reagan is accused of, the issue is that the sitting president, "The Peanut Man" couldn't put a coalition together to release the hostages. Fast forward to Biden and it seems that democrats do not and never had the clout to deal with foreign intrigues.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Ooooh, lefty law professor, all the more reason to call this a farce.

So just because she's a liberal you summarily reject her article? Facts are facts, whether they're presented by a liberal or a conservative. Some of you conservatives are just as closed minded and rabidly partisan as some of the liberals here. FYI, I voted for Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024.

Some of the arguments conservatives are making in this thread are either jaw-dropping fiction or sadly erroneous polemic.

One of the Iranian sources who confirmed the Casey-Iran deal was the moderate Iranian leader Abolhassan Banisadr, who turned against the Ayatollah and fled Iran. Banisadr was Iran's first president after the Shah was deposed. After fleeing to France, he became a leader among anti-Ayatollah Iranians.

Carter was hardly "conciliatory" toward the Ayatollah's regime. Again, Carter crippled Iran's economy with harsh sanctions and publicly threatened the Iranians with severe consequences if they harmed the hostages. And, again, we now know that if the Ayatollah had put the hostages on trial, Carter was going to ask Congress for a declaration of war and start mining Iran's harbors.

Carter increased defense spending every year he was in office. Defense spending rose by 10% in real terms, i.e., after inflation, during Carter's four years. That was one of the reasons the liberal wing of his party was upset with him, and one of the reasons Ted Kennedy challenged him in the 1980 Democratic primary.

If we're going to blame Carter for the failure of the rescue operation, we should blame Reagan for the Challenger disaster and for the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut. Blame and responsibility are not always the same thing.

I see several people dismissing the evidence of the Casey-Iran deal without offering any substantive explanation for it. Why did Casey lie about not being in Madrid during the time period in question? Why did he produce a phony alibi for his whereabouts? Why did the George H. W. Bush White House withhold key evidence from the October Surprise Task Force? What conceivable reason would Banisadr have had to lie about what he knew regarding the Casey-Iran deal? Why did high-level Reagan backers arrange for secret weapons sales to Iran even before Reagan took office? Huh? What was up with that? Etc., etc., etc.

If you haven't read Robert Parry's book or Kai Bird's book, you're in no position to dismiss the evidence of the Casey-Iran deal.

Finally, I repeat that I am not saying that Reagan initiated or knew about the illicit deal. I certainly hope he didn't. I want to believe he didn't. He did many good things for America.

 

[jbrownson0831]

So just because she's a liberal you summarily reject her article? Facts are facts, whether they're presented by a liberal or a conservative. Some of you conservatives are just as closed minded and rabidly partisan as some of the liberals here. FYI, I voted for Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024.

Some of the arguments conservatives are making in this thread are either jaw-dropping fiction or sadly erroneous polemic.

One of the Iranian sources who confirmed the Casey-Iran deal was the moderate Iranian leader Abolhassan Banisadr, who turned against the Ayatollah and fled Iran. Banisadr was Iran's first president after the Shah was deposed. After fleeing to France, he became a leader among anti-Ayatollah Iranians.

Carter was hardly "conciliatory" toward the Ayatollah's regime. Again, Carter crippled Iran's economy with harsh sanctions and publicly threatened the Iranians with severe consequences if they harmed the hostages. And, again, we now know that if the Ayatollah had put the hostages on trial, Carter was going to ask Congress for a declaration of war and to start mining Iran's harbors.

Carter increased defense spending every year he was in office. Defense spending rose by 10% in real terms, i.e., after inflation, during Carter's four years. That was one of the reasons the liberal wing of his party was upset with him, and one of the reasons Ted Kennedy challenged him in the 1980 Democratic primary.

If we're going to blame Carter for the failure of the rescue operation, we should blame Reagan for the Challenger disaster and for the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut. Blame and responsibility are not always the same thing.

I see several people dismissing the evidence of the Casey-Iran deal without offering any substantive explanation for it. Why did Casey lie about not being in Madrid during the time period in question? Why did he produce a phony alibi for his whereabouts? Why did the George H. W. Bush White House withhold key evidence from the October Surprise Task Force? What conceivable reason would Banisadr have had to lie about what he knew regarding the Casey-Iran deal? Why did high-level Reagan backers arrange for secret weapons sales to Iran even before Reagan took office? Huh? What was up with that? Etc., etc., etc.

If you haven't read Robert Parry's book or Kai Bird's book, you're in no position to dismiss the evidence of the Casey-Iran deal.

Finally, I repeat that I am not saying that Reagan initiated or knew about the illicit deal. I certainly hope he didn't. I want to believe that he didn't. He did many good things for America.

Exactly correct. Liberal brains are all scrambled and wired backwards....so dismissing this hogwash is absolutely right.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Here is the most detailed, in-depth online article available on the evidence of the Casey-Iran deal to delay the release of the hostages. Titled "It's All but Settled," it was published in 2023 in The New Republic. Kai Bird is one of the authors. Notice that the article argues that Reagan may not have known about the deal, and that it's entirely possible that Casey acted on his own without Reagan's knowledge. The article also notes that, incredibly, within one week of Reagan's inauguration, Secretary of State Al Haig approved a secret sale of weapons to the Ayatollah's regime (whereas Carter had forbidden arms sales to the regime). Here's the link:

It’s All but Settled: The Reagan Campaign Delayed the Release of the Iranian Hostages

Suspicions have long swirled around unscrupulous campaign manager William Casey. We believe the evidence is now overwhelming.

newrepublic.com

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Until fairly recently, I flatly rejected the "October Surprise" claim that top Republicans, especially William Casey, cut a deal with the Iranians to hold the American hostages until after the 1980 election. I did not believe former NSC staffer Gary Sick's 1991 book on the subject. However, after reading Dr. Kai Bird's book The Outlier and especially after reading award-winning investigative journalist Robert Parry's 2016 book Trick or Treason: The 1980 October Surprise Mystery, I am convinced that Casey and certain other top Reagan backers did make a deal with the Iranians to delay releasing the hostages until after the election.

Among other things, Parry demolishes the 1991 congressional October Surprise Task Force's report. For example, Parry debunks the committee's claims about Casey's alibi for the time period when he reportedly met with Iranian contacts in Madrid, Spain. Parry found documents that showed that the George H. W. Bush White House withheld key evidence from the October Surprise Task Force. This evidence included a secret State Department cable that proved that Casey was in Madrid at the exact same time an Iranian source said Casey met with Iranian representatives to try to persuade them not to release the hostages until after the election.

I take no pleasure in acknowledging the evidence that top Reagan backers persuaded the Iranians not to release the hostages until after the election. I just hope that Reagan was not aware of this effort. If evidence ever surfaces that Reagan knew about it, my opinion of him will change substantially. I would not put it past Casey to take this action on his own, without Reagan's knowledge. I hope that was the case.

Jimmy Carter arguably would have won the 1980 election if he had been able to get the hostages released before the election.

what deserted island you been living on? cant belive you have been this dense about reagan all these years till now No surprise 90% of Americans have been brainwashed by the corporate controlled media and worship the ground he walks on because of them and what hollywood has told them clueess to what a traiter and mass murderer he was. you and most americans are braindead,you at least are acknowledging you have been asleep braindead all these years unlike most Americans and can own up to it unlike them.thats the first step in the right direction.

Here is the most detailed, in-depth online article available on the evidence of the Casey-Iran deal to delay the release of the hostages. Titled "It's All but Settled," it was published in 2023 in The New Republic. Kai Bird is one of the authors. Notice that the article argues that Reagan may not have known about the deal, and that it's entirely possible that Casey acted on his own without Reagan's knowledge. The article also notes that, incredibly, within one week of Reagan's inauguration, Secretary of State Al Haig approved a secret sale of weapons to the Ayatollah's regime (whereas Carter had forbidden arms sales to the regime). Here's the link:

It’s All but Settled: The Reagan Campaign Delayed the Release of the Iranian Hostages​

Suspicions have long swirled around unscrupulous campaign manager William Casey. We believe the evidence is now overwhelming.

newrepublic.com
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Reagan was a traiter,its well documented that Carter when he got in office,he cleaned up the corruption of the CIA by firing the evil demonic geroge bush as CIA director who hired stansfield turner who cleaned up the corruption of the CIA firing all CIA covert opreaters,Reagan got in and fired turner and got the CIA back its war machine by hiring william casey who got the CIA back its covert operations again,whats comical is the braindead here dismiss these facts as fake news.

REAGAN BROADENS POWER OF C.I.A., ALLOWING SPYING ACTIVITIES IN U.S.​

love how people like our resident troll toddsterparrot from langley thrys to convince themelves these facts have been debunked. dont they wish.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Carter totally botched his rescue opportunity.

thats because the CIA fixed it so the rescue attempt would be botched,the CIA wanted carter out of office hense why he only served one term because he had cleaned up the corruption of the CIA firing the evil demonic george bush and brining in stansfiled turner who cleaned up CIA corruption,they sabotoged carters rescue attempt and delayed the release of hostages the DAY he was inaugurated to make their boy reagan who got the CIA back to their war machine efforts look like a hero,every serious student of the october superprise knows what a traiter reagan and bush were.

This was fairly well established from what I read years ago, I think it was the CIA behind this effort as they wanted Reagan to win over Carter for a number of reasons.

SHOCKED CANADIAN is the only one here that has done his homework. well done shockedcanadian

The contras kidnapped, raped and murdered nuns.

Reagan supported that.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

So just because she's a liberal you summarily reject her article? Facts are facts, whether they're presented by a liberal or a conservative. Some of you conservatives are just as closed minded and rabidly partisan as some of the liberals here. FYI, I voted for Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024.

Some of the arguments conservatives are making in this thread are either jaw-dropping fiction or sadly erroneous polemic.

One of the Iranian sources who confirmed the Casey-Iran deal was the moderate Iranian leader Abolhassan Banisadr, who turned against the Ayatollah and fled Iran. Banisadr was Iran's first president after the Shah was deposed. After fleeing to France, he became a leader among anti-Ayatollah Iranians.

Carter was hardly "conciliatory" toward the Ayatollah's regime. Again, Carter crippled Iran's economy with harsh sanctions and publicly threatened the Iranians with severe consequences if they harmed the hostages. And, again, we now know that if the Ayatollah had put the hostages on trial, Carter was going to ask Congress for a declaration of war and start mining Iran's harbors.

Carter increased defense spending every year he was in office. Defense spending rose by 10% in real terms, i.e., after inflation, during Carter's four years. That was one of the reasons the liberal wing of his party was upset with him, and one of the reasons Ted Kennedy challenged him in the 1980 Democratic primary.

If we're going to blame Carter for the failure of the rescue operation, we should blame Reagan for the Challenger disaster and for the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut. Blame and responsibility are not always the same thing.

I see several people dismissing the evidence of the Casey-Iran deal without offering any substantive explanation for it. Why did Casey lie about not being in Madrid during the time period in question? Why did he produce a phony alibi for his whereabouts? Why did the George H. W. Bush White House withhold key evidence from the October Surprise Task Force? What conceivable reason would Banisadr have had to lie about what he knew regarding the Casey-Iran deal? Why did high-level Reagan backers arrange for secret weapons sales to Iran even before Reagan took office? Huh? What was up with that? Etc., etc., etc.

If you haven't read Robert Parry's book or Kai Bird's book, you're in no position to dismiss the evidence of the Casey-Iran deal.

Finally, I repeat that I am not saying that Reagan initiated or knew about the illicit deal. I certainly hope he didn't. I want to believe he didn't. He did many good things for America.

Most Americans Mike have reagan on a pedastal and refuse to admit his corruption being hypocrites by doing what you said so well blaming carter for the Iran rescue failure yet turning a blind eye to reagans corruption not owning up that he should be blamed and held responsible then for at least the bombing in Beirut that killed Americans,they will not do so though because they have to ADMIT he is a murderer of Americans,thats a rabbit hole they do not want to go down.

this is the REAL Reagan exposed here.Robert Parry is an excellent researcher. I myself exposed Reagan for the war criminal and mass murderer he was also in all these links,there is one reaganut zombie that worships him so bad he dismissed these links here as fake news. im sure many others will as well.

Reagan: Killer, Coward, Con-man

Greg Palast "In 1987, I found myself stuck in a crappy little town in Nicaragua named Chaguitillo. The people were kind enough, though hungry, except for one surly young man. His wife had just died of tuberculosis. People don't die of TB if they get some antibiotics. But Ronald Reagan...

www.usmessageboard.com

Reagan: Killer, Coward, Con-man

Greg Palast "In 1987, I found myself stuck in a crappy little town in Nicaragua named Chaguitillo. The people were kind enough, though hungry, except for one surly young man. His wife had just died of tuberculosis. People don't die of TB if they get some antibiotics. But Ronald Reagan...

www.usmessageboard.com

Reagan: Killer, Coward, Con-man

Greg Palast "In 1987, I found myself stuck in a crappy little town in Nicaragua named Chaguitillo. The people were kind enough, though hungry, except for one surly young man. His wife had just died of tuberculosis. People don't die of TB if they get some antibiotics. But Ronald Reagan...

www.usmessageboard.com

Reagan: Killer, Coward, Con-man

Greg Palast "In 1987, I found myself stuck in a crappy little town in Nicaragua named Chaguitillo. The people were kind enough, though hungry, except for one surly young man. His wife had just died of tuberculosis. People don't die of TB if they get some antibiotics. But Ronald Reagan...

www.usmessageboard.com

Reagan: Killer, Coward, Con-man

Greg Palast "In 1987, I found myself stuck in a crappy little town in Nicaragua named Chaguitillo. The people were kind enough, though hungry, except for one surly young man. His wife had just died of tuberculosis. People don't die of TB if they get some antibiotics. But Ronald Reagan...

www.usmessageboard.com

Reagan: Killer, Coward, Con-man

Greg Palast "In 1987, I found myself stuck in a crappy little town in Nicaragua named Chaguitillo. The people were kind enough, though hungry, except for one surly young man. His wife had just died of tuberculosis. People don't die of TB if they get some antibiotics. But Ronald Reagan...

www.usmessageboard.com

Reagan: Killer, Coward, Con-man

Greg Palast "In 1987, I found myself stuck in a crappy little town in Nicaragua named Chaguitillo. The people were kind enough, though hungry, except for one surly young man. His wife had just died of tuberculosis. People don't die of TB if they get some antibiotics. But Ronald Reagan...

www.usmessageboard.com

Reagan: Killer, Coward, Con-man

Greg Palast "In 1987, I found myself stuck in a crappy little town in Nicaragua named Chaguitillo. The people were kind enough, though hungry, except for one surly young man. His wife had just died of tuberculosis. People don't die of TB if they get some antibiotics. But Ronald Reagan...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

thats because the CIA fixed it so the rescue attempt would be botched,the CIA wanted carter out of office hense why he only served one term because he had cleaned up the corruption of the CIA firing the evil demonic george bush and brining in stansfiled turner who cleaned up CIA corruption,they sabotoged carters rescue attempt and delayed the release of hostages the DAY he was inaugurated to make their boy reagan who got the CIA back to their war machine efforts look like a hero,every serious student of the october superprise knows what a traiter reagan and bush were.

This was fairly well established from what I read years ago, I think it was the CIA behind this effort as they wanted Reagan to win over Carter for a number of reasons.

SHOCKED CANADIAN is the only one here that has done his homework. well done shockedcanadian

The contras kidnapped, raped and murdered nuns.

Reagan supported that.

Carter was worthless and weak.
We're still paying for his failures.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Until fairly recently, I flatly rejected the "October Surprise" claim that top Republicans, especially William Casey, cut a deal with the Iranians to hold the American hostages until after the 1980 election. I did not believe former NSC staffer Gary Sick's 1991 book on the subject. However, after reading Dr. Kai Bird's book The Outlier and especially after reading award-winning investigative journalist Robert Parry's 2016 book Trick or Treason: The 1980 October Surprise Mystery, I am convinced that Casey and certain other top Reagan backers did make a deal with the Iranians to delay releasing the hostages until after the election.

Among other things, Parry demolishes the 1991 congressional October Surprise Task Force's report. For example, Parry debunks the committee's claims about Casey's alibi for the time period when he reportedly met with Iranian contacts in Madrid, Spain. Parry found documents that showed that the George H. W. Bush White House withheld key evidence from the October Surprise Task Force. This evidence included a secret State Department cable that proved that Casey was in Madrid at the exact same time an Iranian source said Casey met with Iranian representatives to try to persuade them not to release the hostages until after the election.

I take no pleasure in acknowledging the evidence that top Reagan backers persuaded the Iranians not to release the hostages until after the election. I just hope that Reagan was not aware of this effort. If evidence ever surfaces that Reagan knew about it, my opinion of him will change substantially. I would not put it past Casey to take this action on his own, without Reagan's knowledge. I hope that was the case.

Jimmy Carter arguably would have won the 1980 election if he had been able to get the hostages released before the election.

what deserted island you been living on? No surprise 90% of Americans have been brainwashed by the corporate controlled media and worship the ground he walks on because of them and what hollywood has told them clueess to what a traiter and mass murderer he was. you and most americans are braindead,you at least are ackoledging you have been asleep all these years unlike most Americans and can own up to it unlike them.thats the first step in the right direction.



Reagan was a traiter,its well documented that Carter when he got in office,he cleaned up the corruption of the CIA by firing the evil demonic geroge bush as CIA director who hired stansfield turner who cleaned up the corruption of the CIA firing all CIA covert opreaters,Reagan got in and fired turner and got the CIA back its war machine by hiring william casey who got the CIA back its covert operations again,whats comical is the braindead here dismiss these facts as fake news.

REAGAN BROADENS POWER OF C.I.A., ALLOWING SPYING ACTIVITIES IN U.S.​

i just proved i hit a homerun out of the ballpark now the fact that langley agent toddsterPARROT dismisses it as fake news. these clowns kill me,langley agent toddsterparrot worships the demonic bush family and thnks Bush did no wrong as CIA director when carter fired him.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

That is sheer fiction.


I know this is a sacred tenet of GOP mythology, but it's simply not true. Far from "getting tough" with Iran, Reagan quickly began selling weapons to Iran--and he continued to do so.

And Carter was no pushover. He crippled Iran's economy with sanctions, including the freezing of Iranian assets held in American banks, which amounted to about 8% of Iran's GDP at the time.

We now know that if the mullahs had put the hostages on trial, Carter was going to ask Congress for a declaration of war and was going to start mining Iran's harbors.

sheer fiction from him indeed. mike you are making far too much sense for the reaganuts to comprehend.

 

[mikegriffith1]

This is another case of the pot calling the kettle black.

No, not really.

Obama tried to undercut Trump in his negotiations with foreign countries after Trump won the 2016 election. He went to the Iraqi government and tried to tell them not to agree with anything Trump negotiates.

I agree that Obama's backdoor effort was sleazy, but it did not affect the outcome of the election (since Trump had already won), and no American hostages were involved. I'm not minimizing it; it was indeed sleazy and unethical. I'm just saying it was an order of magnitude less serious than what Casey and his pals did.

A case that comes closer to resembling what Casey and his buddies did is Ted Kennedy's treasonous, shocking 1983 approach to the Soviets, through an intermediary, to try to get the Soviets to help the Democrats defeat Ronald Reagan in the 1984 election (LINK, LINK, LINK). When this was revealed in 2006, Kennedy should have been expelled from the Senate, if not put on trial for treason.

 

[mudwhistle]

No, not really.


I agree that Obama's backdoor effort was sleazy, but it did not affect the outcome of the election (since Trump had already won), and no American hostages were involved. I'm not minimizing it; it was indeed sleazy and unethical. I'm just saying it was an order of magnitude less serious than what Casey and his pals did.

A case that comes closer to resembling what Casey and his buddies did is Ted Kennedy's treasonous, shocking 1983 approach to the Soviets, through an intermediary, to try to get the Soviets to help the Democrats defeat Ronald Reagan in the 1984 election (LINK, LINK, LINK). When this was revealed in 2006, Kennedy should have been expelled from the Senate, if not put on trial for treason.

Let's talk about Benghazi and the 5 terrorist generals Obama handed over for one Bo Bergdahl.
Let's talk about the pallets of cash Obama delivered to Iran, all to cover up the fact that he sold surface to air rocket launchers that were being used against our own troops in Afghanistan.
Let's talk about 4 State Dept employees who were killed to cover this all up.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Let's talk about Benghazi and the 5 terrorist generals Obama handed over for one Bo Bergdahl.
Let's talk about the pallets of cash Obama delivered to Iran, all to cover up the fact that he sold surface to air rocket launchers that were being used against our own troops in Afghanistan.
Let's talk about 4 State Dept employees who were killed to cover this all up.

I agree with you on the first two cases. I'm not familiar with the third case.

In terms of fraudulent actions that may have changed the outcome of an election, the 2012 election's outcome may have been changed when Obama-Hillary cover-up of the fact that Hillary was given clear and repeated warnings about the serious security shortfalls at our consulate in Benghazi and did nothing about them. Hillary even made the scurrilous claim that Ambassador Stevens never once mentioned his profound security concerns in any of their numerous phone conversations. Hillary also claimed that she did not see, much less reject, Ambassador Stevens' numerous requests for security improvements at the consulate. If the truth about Hillary's criminally negligent response to Ambassador Stevens' security concerns and Obama's role in the cover-up had been revealed during the 2012 election, this may have enabled Romney to win that election.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Let's talk about Benghazi and the 5 terrorist generals Obama handed over for one Bo Bergdahl.
Let's talk about the pallets of cash Obama delivered to Iran, all to cover up the fact that he sold surface to air rocket launchers that were being used against our own troops in Afghanistan.
Let's talk about 4 State Dept employees who were killed to cover this all up.

We can do thst just as long as you don’t deny realty Reagan along with bush committed treason in the October surprise delaying the hostages in a deal with Iran so he could get elected which is all documented in Barbara honneger s book the October surprise or deny reality thst as governor of california he committed treason against the American people blocking jim garrisons extradition request to subpeona Allen Dulles for his trial against clay Shaw.that he was rewarded the position of potus for his role participating in the coverup the same as ford was because they both participated in the coverup endorcing the Warren commission,reagan,ford and bush were all later rewarded potus in the future because they all had a major role in the coverup.Reagan was as much a mass murderer and traiter as much as bush was.

Let’s also talk about how carter like kennedy,the greatest president of the twentieth century,also tried to reform the cia by firing the evil demonic George bush and replacing him with stansfield turner who then cleaned yp the corruption in the cia by firing all covert operaters in the cia and as soon as the cia got their boy Reagan in,Reagan returned the favor to them by getting the cia back to its corrupt ways again firing turner and bringing in new cia director William Casey who got the cia back to its evil covert operations again.the cia was elated when Carter was gone.

We can talk about all that about obama as long as you don’t deny those facts of Reagans documented corruption I mentioned.

The elite never wanted Reagan dead,,had they really wanted him dead they would have made sure of it same as they did jfk.the elite let him off with a warning shot because he was doing things on his own,they sent him the message you do what we tell you or you will end up like kennedy,Reagan got the message,his policys drastically changed for the worse after that.they let Reagan off with a warning shot sense he was corrupt and participated in the coverup on the jfk assassination.they just too careless and shot him closer to the heart than they meant to.

Thst thread I posted the links of in post 33 I made several posts on thst thread that documents his treason against the American people.