October 7th: The Most Successful Military Raid of This Century.

[Lisa558]

The OP must be very disappointed this morning. The hostages are back, HAMAS will not be allowed to resurface, and multiple Arab countries and the U.S. will be involved in rebuilding Gaza to make sure the Jew-haters are not in control.

 

[martybegan]

A Jewish state by definition privileges its Jewish majority over its non-Jewish minority.

Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia

"Many Arab citizens feel that the state, as well as society at large, not only actively limits them to second-class citizenship, but treats them as enemies, affecting their perception of the de jure versus de facto quality of their citizenship.

"The joint document The Future Vision of the Palestinian Arabs in Israel, asserts: 'Defining the Israeli State as a Jewish State and exploiting democracy in the service of its Jewishness excludes us, and creates tension between us and the nature and essence of the State.'

"The document explains that by definition the 'Jewish State' concept is based on ethnically preferential treatment towards Jews enshrined in immigration (the Law of Return) and land policy (the Jewish National Fund), and calls for the establishment of minority rights protections enforced by an independent anti-discrimination commission."

By law they have the same rights as any other citizen.

 

[Hafar1014]

The Arab minority inside Green Line Israel is limited to 20% of the total Israeli population; they face discrimination similar to Jim Crow edicts in the US:

What to Know About the Arab Citizens of Israel

"Today, nearly all Arab towns and cities have lower standards of living than those that are predominantly Jewish.

"This separation and socioeconomic disparity fuel intense debate.

"Some analysts argue that Israel has effectively established an unjust, segregated society.

"'Technically you don’t have redlining, technically you don’t have formal, Jim Crow–type segregation. In practice you do,' says Palestinian American historian Rashid Khalidi.

"Conversely, Arik Rudnitzky of the Israel Democracy Institute (IDI) tells CFR that terms such as 'segregation,' 'de facto separation,' or the more conservative 'voluntary separation' reflect individual worldviews, but that there is no expert consensus on how to characterize this separation.

"Experts such as Nachum Blass of the Taub Center for Social Policy Studies in Israel say many in both communities prefer separation, though Arabs are increasingly moving to Jewish areas to improve their standards of living, as well as to work and attend school."

How is the standard of living in Hamas controlled Gaza. Now local Muslims are fighting with Hamas. All they know is violence

 

[JoeB131]

The OP must be very disappointed this morning. The hostages are back, HAMAS will not be allowed to resurface, and multiple Arab countries and the U.S. will be involved in rebuilding Gaza to make sure the Jew-haters are not in control.

Lots of wishful thinking there, Lisa.

I'm old and cynical.

I'm old enough to remember the Camp David Accords, the Oslo Accords, the Abraham Accords, and those are only the ones that got enough hype to where I remember them.

The actual list is a lot longer.

Arab League–Israel accords​

• Balfour Declaration (1917)
• Peace proposals of Count Folke Bernadotte (1948)
• 1949 Armistice Agreements
• UN Security Council Resolution 242 (November 22, 1967)
• Jarring Mission (1967–1971)
• Allon Plan (July 26, 1967)
• Rogers Plan (1969)
• Camp David Accords (1978)
• Egypt–Israel peace treaty (1979)
• Fahd Plan (1981)
• Reagan peace plan (September 1, 1982)
• Fez Initiative (September 9, 1982)
• May 17 Agreement, a failed attempt of peace between Lebanon and Israel (1983)
• Israel–Jordan peace treaty (1994)
• Arab Peace Initiative (March 28, 2002)
• Abraham Accords (2020)
• Israel–Sudan normalization agreement (2020)

​

Main article: Israeli–Palestinian peace process
See also: Corpus separatum (Jerusalem), One-state solution, Two-state solution, and Three-state solution

• Madrid Conference of 1991
• Oslo Accords (1993)
• Wye River Memorandum (October 23, 1998)
• Camp David 2000 Summit (2000)
• The Clinton Parameters (December 23, 2000)
• Taba summit (January, 2001)
• Arab Peace Initiative (March, 2002)
• Elon Peace Plan (also known as "The Israel Initiative") (2002)
• The People's Voice (July 27, 2002)
• Road Map for Peace (April 30, 2003)
• Geneva Accord (October 20, 2003)
• Sharm el-Sheikh Summit of 2005 (February 8, 2005)
• 2006 Franco-Italian-Spanish Middle East Peace Plan
• Isratin proposal (a one-state solution by Muammar Gathafi) (May 8, 2003)
• Israeli Peace Initiative (April 6, 2011)
• John Kerry Parameters (December 28, 2016)
• Trump peace plan (January 28, 2020)
• 2025 Trump Israel-Palestine Peace Plan (September 29, 2025)

So, um, throw this one on the pile, I guess.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the slaughter in Gaza is going to stop, but the underlying problem hasn't been resolved

 

[Stryder50]

A Jewish state by definition privileges its Jewish majority over its non-Jewish minority.

Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia

"Many Arab citizens feel that the state, as well as society at large, not only actively limits them to second-class citizenship, but treats them as enemies, affecting their perception of the de jure versus de facto quality of their citizenship.

"The joint document The Future Vision of the Palestinian Arabs in Israel, asserts: 'Defining the Israeli State as a Jewish State and exploiting democracy in the service of its Jewishness excludes us, and creates tension between us and the nature and essence of the State.'

"The document explains that by definition the 'Jewish State' concept is based on ethnically preferential treatment towards Jews enshrined in immigration (the Law of Return) and land policy (the Jewish National Fund), and calls for the establishment of minority rights protections enforced by an independent anti-discrimination commission."

Meanwhile the many more Muslim states with several times more Muslims than Jews privileges the Muslims over Jews, Christians, and all other non-Muslims.

 

[Stryder50]

Lots of wishful thinking there, Lisa.

I'm old and cynical.

I'm old enough to remember the Camp David Accords, the Oslo Accords, the Abraham Accords, and those are only the ones that got enough hype to where I remember them.

The actual list is a lot longer.

Arab League–Israel accords​

• Balfour Declaration (1917)
• Peace proposals of Count Folke Bernadotte (1948)
• 1949 Armistice Agreements
• UN Security Council Resolution 242 (November 22, 1967)
• Jarring Mission (1967–1971)
• Allon Plan (July 26, 1967)
• Rogers Plan (1969)
• Camp David Accords (1978)
• Egypt–Israel peace treaty (1979)
• Fahd Plan (1981)
• Reagan peace plan (September 1, 1982)
• Fez Initiative (September 9, 1982)
• May 17 Agreement, a failed attempt of peace between Lebanon and Israel (1983)
• Israel–Jordan peace treaty (1994)
• Arab Peace Initiative (March 28, 2002)
• Abraham Accords (2020)
• Israel–Sudan normalization agreement (2020)

​

Main article: Israeli–Palestinian peace process
See also: Corpus separatum (Jerusalem), One-state solution, Two-state solution, and Three-state solution

• Madrid Conference of 1991
• Oslo Accords (1993)
• Wye River Memorandum (October 23, 1998)
• Camp David 2000 Summit (2000)
• The Clinton Parameters (December 23, 2000)
• Taba summit (January, 2001)
• Arab Peace Initiative (March, 2002)
• Elon Peace Plan (also known as "The Israel Initiative") (2002)
• The People's Voice (July 27, 2002)
• Road Map for Peace (April 30, 2003)
• Geneva Accord (October 20, 2003)
• Sharm el-Sheikh Summit of 2005 (February 8, 2005)
• 2006 Franco-Italian-Spanish Middle East Peace Plan
• Isratin proposal (a one-state solution by Muammar Gathafi) (May 8, 2003)
• Israeli Peace Initiative (April 6, 2011)
• John Kerry Parameters (December 28, 2016)
• Trump peace plan (January 28, 2020)
• 2025 Trump Israel-Palestine Peace Plan (September 29, 2025)

So, um, throw this one on the pile, I guess.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the slaughter in Gaza is going to stop, but the underlying problem hasn't been resolved

To the majority of Muslims the "problem" is only resolved when there is no Israel/Jewish State and the Jews either dead, exiled, or enslaved.

 

[JoeB131]

To the majority of Muslims the "problem" is only resolved when there is no Israel/Jewish State and the Jews either dead, exiled, or enslaved.

Okay, let's say that's true for the moment.

Then why in Heaven's name would the Jews be so keen to live next door to them?

If I lived in a neighborhood where all my neighbors wanted me dead and they were strapping bombs onto their kids and pointing them at my house, I'd move.

Seriously.

Without getting into another tedious argument about which side is "in the right" here, there's no universe where 7 million Jews are going to beat up a billion Muslims. It simply won't happen.

 

[georgephillip]

Meanwhile the many more Muslim states with several times more Muslims than Jews privileges the Muslims over Jews, Christians, and all other non-Muslims.

But none of the Muslim states are murdering tens of thousands of Jews and stealing the Jew's land, right?

Two years of Gaza genocide

 

[Lisa558]

But none of the Muslim states are murdering tens of thousands of Jews and stealing the Jew's land, right?

Two years of Gaza genocide

1) Israel hasn’t murdered anyone other than terrorists.

2) Muslim countries expelled nearly 1 million Jews and stole their land.

You really need to do better with your lies.

The Expulsion of the Jews from Muslim Countries, 1920-1970: A History of Ongoing Cruelty and Discrimination

Between 1920 and 1970, 900,000 Jews were expelled from Arab and other Muslim countries. The 1940s were a turning point in this tragedy; of those expelled, 600,000 settled in the new state of Israel, and 300,000 in France and the United States. Today, they and their descendents form the majority...

jcpa.org

 

[georgephillip]

How is the standard of living in Hamas controlled Gaza. Now local Muslims are fighting with Hamas. All they know is violence

All they know is occupation, ethnic cleansing, and, now, genocide. It is the Jewish-supremacist state of Israel that can not exist without violence as proven by the current IDF bombing campaigns in Lebanon and Syria.

On to Iran (again)?

 

[Lisa558]

All they know is occupation, ethnic cleansing, and, now, genocide. It is the Jewish-supremacist state of Israel that can not exist without violence as proven by the current IDF bombing campaigns in Lebanon and Syria.

On to Iran (again)?

Wow. The end of the war and the return of innocent Jewish hostages sure has the antisemites in a rage! The lies and smears are ramping up.

 

[georgephillip]

By law they have the same rights as any other citizen.

Not exactly:
Arab citizens of Israel face systemic discrimination with regards to where they can live and who they can marry.

Israel: Discriminatory Land Policies Hem in Palestinians

"The Israeli government’s policy of boxing in Palestinian communities extends beyond the West Bank and Gaza to Palestinian towns and villages inside Israel, Human Rights Watch said today.

"The policy discriminates against Palestinian citizens of Israel and in favor of Jewish citizens, sharply restricting Palestinians’ access to land for housing to accommodate natural population growth.

"Decades of land confiscations and discriminatory planning policies have confined many Palestinian citizens to densely populated towns and villages that have little room to expand.

"Meanwhile, the Israeli government nurtures the growth and expansion of neighboring predominantly Jewish communities, many built on the ruins of Palestinian villages destroyed in 1948."

 

[georgephillip]

^^^ “Jewish-supremacist state”?!

And these anti-Israel posters keep insisting they’re not antissemites.

The 2018 Nation-State Law constitutionally defines Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people, formalizing inequality by giving the right of self-determination exclusively to Jews and solidifying the second-class status of Arab Israelis.

 

[Lisa558]

The 2018 Nation-State Law constitutionally defines Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people, formalizing inequality by giving the right of self-determination exclusively to Jews and solidifying the second-class status of Arab Israelis.

Muslims in Israel have it much better than Jews in Muslim countries.

 

[georgephillip]

The OP must be very disappointed this morning. The hostages are back, HAMAS will not be allowed to resurface, and multiple Arab countries and the U.S. will be involved in rebuilding Gaza to make sure the Jew-haters are not in control.

All we know for sure at this time is Hamas has released all surviving hostages; it's only a matter of time before Israel resumes its ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

 

[Lisa558]

All we know for sure at this time is Hamas has released all surviving hostages; it's only a matter of time before Israel resumes its ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

I see you diverted from the truth I just posted and went right back to lying about Israel.

Back on point, the 2nd class citizenship of Jews in Muslim-supremacist countries is well known.

What Do You Know? Dhimmi, Jewish Legal Status under Muslim Rule

katz.sas.upenn.edu

 

[Lisa558]

Perhaps the forum antisemites should give it a rest. There’s no point in pushing their lies:

Israel has won, HAMAS will be forced to disarm, the hostages are back, and there is an entire group of Arab and European countries vested in making sure Islamic terrorists do not start a war against Israel again,

 

[BackAgain]

Genocide is justice in your tiny demented brain. You’re proud of murdering innocent women and children by the hundreds of thousands.

You are really fucked up.

Gimp the simp ^ hopes that if he just keeps repeating the bullshit claim of “genocide” long enough and often enough, somehow, he’ll convince some other ******* shitlib moron (such as gimp, himself) to buy that obvious lie.

 

[Lisa558]

Gimp the simp ^ hopes that if he just keeps repeating the bullshit claim of “genocide” long enough and often enough, somehow, he’ll convince some other ******* shitlib moron (such as gimp, himself) to buy that obvious lie.

Why don’t the antisemites talk about a REAL genocide, such as that happening in Sudan?

Just shows the genocide lie is all about making people hate Jews.

 

[gipper]

Gimp the simp ^ hopes that if he just keeps repeating the bullshit claim of “genocide” long enough and often enough, somehow, he’ll convince some other ******* shitlib moron (such as gimp, himself) to buy that obvious lie.

Not to worry *****. Your leader Bibi will continue the genocide very soon.