Ocean studies

[bripat9643]

The second they mentioned acidification they lost all credibility.

The second that you claimed to have an education as a geologist you lost all credibility. So you are supposed to be smarter than the scientists that publish for the National Academy of Science.

Not smarter, just more honest. He doesn't have anything to gain by lying about the facts. So-called "scientists" sucking on the government tit do.

 

[chikenwing]

I've been an avid diver since the '70s and I've fished the Long Island Sound all my life.

And from my observations, I can report that marine life has most definitely declined substantially in that period.

I have seen stocks decline as well, but that is an issue of conservation, not climate. Here in NC, legislation is going forward that will make it illegal to catch redfish, stripers, and speckled trout in a net. That will effectively end long gill net fishing here. It happens in every state that forces sportfishermen to buy salt water fishing licenses. When that number of people are paying the "kitty" they suddenly have far more political clout than commercial fishermen.

I aggree that stocks are declining, but it isn't a climate issue; not by a long shot and anyone who tries to make it a climate issue is, at their very core, dishonest.

The rock fish populations in the Chesapeake bay are on the increase,because of conservation measures put in place some years ago,simpley over fished now they are on the return.

There is more wild life around our home then ever,deer,turkeys,we have seen more rare birds this year,geese,ducks landing and nesting on our pond.Our blue bird house are all full 1st time ever.

 

[wirebender]

The rock fish populations in the Chesapeake bay are on the increase,because of conservation measures put in place some years ago,simpley over fished now they are on the return.

There is more wild life around our home then ever,deer,turkeys,we have seen more rare birds this year,geese,ducks landing and nesting on our pond.Our blue bird house are all full 1st time ever.

It is good to hear about the rockfish. I lived there back in the middle 80's and there weren't many around. At the time, I seem to remember the envirowackos wringing their hands saying that the stocks couldn't be restored unless some pretty draconian measures were put in place. Chalk up one more failed prediction to that side.

I am all for conservation measures, but it isn't necessary to destroy entire economies in order to conserve the environment and the wildlife that shares it with us. Envirowackos only use conservation and wildlife management as a means to an end. That end being the destruction of capitalism and it's ultimate replacement with socialism in one form or another that is destined, like all forms of socialism to fail.

 

[konradv]

The rock fish populations in the Chesapeake bay are on the increase,because of conservation measures put in place some years ago,simpley over fished now they are on the return.

There is more wild life around our home then ever,deer,turkeys,we have seen more rare birds this year,geese,ducks landing and nesting on our pond.Our blue bird house are all full 1st time ever.

It is good to hear about the rockfish. I lived there back in the middle 80's and there weren't many around. At the time, I seem to remember the envirowackos wringing their hands saying that the stocks couldn't be restored unless some pretty draconian measures were put in place. Chalk up one more failed prediction to that side.

I am all for conservation measures, but it isn't necessary to destroy entire economies in order to conserve the environment and the wildlife that shares it with us. Envirowackos only use conservation and wildlife management as a means to an end. That end being the destruction of capitalism and it's ultimate replacement with socialism in one form or another that is destined, like all forms of socialism to fail.

You mean draconian like not allowing any fishing for rockfish for a number of years? What do you think caused the population rebound, anyway? You're the wacko, if you think it was all a magical "cycle". It was thanks to the "envirowackos", you dipshit.

 

[wirebender]

You mean draconian like not allowing any fishing for rockfish for a number of years? What do you think caused the population rebound, anyway? You're the wacko, if you think it was all a magical "cycle". It was thanks to the "envirowackos", you dipshit.

Read about the reasons the rockfish stocks were diminishing. Then if no one is to embarassed to print some of the suggestions that were made for restoring the stocks (if they hadn't already reached a "tipping point" at the time) you might try reading some of that idiocy.

 

[westwall]

The rock fish populations in the Chesapeake bay are on the increase,because of conservation measures put in place some years ago,simpley over fished now they are on the return.

There is more wild life around our home then ever,deer,turkeys,we have seen more rare birds this year,geese,ducks landing and nesting on our pond.Our blue bird house are all full 1st time ever.

It is good to hear about the rockfish. I lived there back in the middle 80's and there weren't many around. At the time, I seem to remember the envirowackos wringing their hands saying that the stocks couldn't be restored unless some pretty draconian measures were put in place. Chalk up one more failed prediction to that side.

I am all for conservation measures, but it isn't necessary to destroy entire economies in order to conserve the environment and the wildlife that shares it with us. Envirowackos only use conservation and wildlife management as a means to an end. That end being the destruction of capitalism and it's ultimate replacement with socialism in one form or another that is destined, like all forms of socialism to fail.

You mean draconian like not allowing any fishing for rockfish for a number of years? What do you think caused the population rebound, anyway? You're the wacko, if you think it was all a magical "cycle". It was thanks to the "envirowackos", you dipshit.

Outright bans on hunting don't work and in fact lead to uncontrolled poaching. Instead, when governments work together to maintain populations with hunters and sportsmen the populations have invariably rebounded. Ducks unlimited and groups like them have done orders of magnitude more for the preservation of animals then any environmental organization.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ducks Unlimited is an environmental organization. They have worked to preserve and restore wetlands and other habitat that wildfowl need for survival. And were there a population crash for a particular wildfowl, I am sure they would be the first to call for a ban on hunting that bird until the population rebounded.

Outright bans on hunting does work, and has been used many times to bring a game population back to a huntable status.

 

[Old Rocks]

Bentwire, old boy, why don't you try breathing what the average atmosphere for the earth is, the average for all 5 1/2 billion years?

Already been through that rocks. I wouldn't have any problem at all breathing it and neither would any of the rest of us. We would do just fine. The belief that O2 didn't appear in a gas form till about 2.2 billion years ago is going the way of the dinosaurs rocks. New research is shedding new light. Read something besides your handwringing envirowacko publications.

So you say. Here is what real scientists state.

The atmosphere - origin and structure

Evidence from the Rock Record

Iron (Fe) i s extremely reactive with oxygen. If we look at the oxidation state of Fe in the rock record, we can infer a great deal about atmospheric evolution.
Archean - Find occurrence of minerals that only form in non-oxidizing environments in Archean sediments: Pyrite (Fools gold; FeS2), Uraninite (UO2). These minerals are easily dissolved out of rocks under present atmospheric conditions.

Banded Iron Formation (BIF) - Deep water deposits in which layers of iron-rich minerals alternate with iron-poor layers, primarily chert. Iron minerals include iron oxide, iron carbonate, iron silicate, iron sulfide. BIF's are a major source of iron ore, b/c they contain magnetite (Fe3O4) which has a higher iron-to-oxygen ratio than hematite. These are common in rocks 2.0 - 2.8 B.y. old, but do not form today.

Red beds (continental siliciclastic deposits) are never found in rocks older than 2.3 B. y., but are common during Phanerozoic time. Red beds are red because of the highly oxidized mineral hematite (Fe2O3), that probably forms secondarily by oxidation of other Fe minerals that have accumulated in the sediment.

Conclusion - amount of O2 in the atmosphere has increased with time.

 

[westwall]

Ducks Unlimited is an environmental organization. They have worked to preserve and restore wetlands and other habitat that wildfowl need for survival. And were there a population crash for a particular wildfowl, I am sure they would be the first to call for a ban on hunting that bird until the population rebounded.

Outright bans on hunting does work, and has been used many times to bring a game population back to a huntable status.

As usual you are wrong. DU is a CONSERVATION organization. There is a HUGE difference.


From their website...


Ducks Unlimited is the world's leader in wetlands and waterfowl conservation.
DU got its start in 1937 during the Dust Bowl when North America’s drought-plagued waterfowl populations had plunged to unprecedented lows. Determined not to sit idly by as the continent’s waterfowl dwindled beyond recovery, a small group of sportsmen joined together to form an organization that became known as Ducks Unlimited. Its mission: habitat conservation.

Thanks to decades of abiding by that single mission, Ducks Unlimited is now the world’s largest and most effective private waterfowl and wetlands conservation organization. DU is able to multilaterally deliver its work through a series of partnerships with private individuals, landowners, agencies, scientific communities and other entities.


The DU Mission - Wetlands and Waterfowl Conservation

Furthermore look at the African continent. Where hunting is banned the animal populations are in decline or near extinction. Those countries that allow limited hunting have seen the animal populations rebound. It's simple but I'll explain it to you anyay, when animals have no economic value there is no desire to prevent poaching and in fact poaching is encouraged.

When the animals do have a value however, the local population has a vested interest in the preservation of those animals. The trophy fee for an elephant in Botswana is 15,000 dollars. That doesn't include any of the other fees involved in an African hunt or the cost to hire a PH (that's Professional Hunter to you) or the observers which cost an average of around 300 bucks per day.... this in a country where the average wage is 20 grand a year.

It is very expensive to kill animals in Africa. Eco tourists on the other hand are notoriously cheap. The average hunter spends around 65,000 to kill an elephant. The photo safari on the other hand only runs about 2,800 for an 8 day trip.