Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows

[Katzndogz]

We have a percentage of the population that thinks it has a right to the fruits of someone else's labor. We have a widespread belief that there should be limits on the assets someone might acquire through their own efforts and innovation.

We have another percentage of the population that is determined this shall not happen.

You can't see a collision course in there?

 

[Intense]

This is a sad subject to post on. When Dick Armey and a few other rightys decided to 'create' a grass roots movement to put a new face on the Republican Party, their PR team came up with "Teabaggers." If they had only looked in the encyclopedia they would have learned that "Teabagger" carries a negative sexual connotation. But, the cat was out of the bag, here is one of their own people selling "Teabagger" buttons.

Since then the Tea Party has done everything they could to separate themselves from the word "Teabagger," but it is too late. Google will give you more under "Teabagger" than "Tea Party." I frequently throw the word "Teabagger" into my posts as a way to remind the Tea Party that they jumped without thinking, and this has been typical of their entire opperation. Also, whomever came up with those tea bag hats made a big mistake, the movement looked like joke. Are Tea Party politics a joke? If you want to be taken seriously, you must behave accordingly. Can you take this man's politics seriously, or does he look like he wants you to bring your income tax to his store?

Joe Kennedy said it, "In politics the facts are not as important as the perception."​

However, depending on your point of view, OWS has read the Tea Party play book. They know that the minute they take a stand on an issue, the media will start picking at their bones - so they do not commit - it is working. The 99% know that if they look too conservative or liberal, they will turn potential new members off - hence a strong middle class image - plenty of seniors, firefighters, construction workers etc.

Here is Bill Maher's now definitive statement on the Tea Party. The Tea Party should never have let this utube go unanswered, because now it has a lock on the left and some independents.

Bill Maher BECOMES a Teabagger - 4/23/10 - YouTube

Dwight Eisenhower's daughter sat next to Maher as he did this classic Tea Party take-off.​

OWS is a broader movement, and there is room for you. This is becoming a global movement as the planet faces financial collapse. We Americans need to cut the crap and pull together ---------we need the talents of the right. But, as with the American Revolution 20% of the Tories left the United States after we won that revolution. All we are looking to get rid of today is less than 1%., or so I say. Truth is the only reason we had the American Revolution is because the wealthy wanted it. The same will be true today. OWS has allies in the 1% also. You can't argue with the source, it is Republican leaning ABC News division of Disney. 'Patriotic Millionaires' Petition Obama For Bush-Era Tax Cuts To Expire - ABC News Please keep an open mind.

I have watched the Tea Party deal with their Achilles heel "bigotry," while I feel sorry for them, they would not give the left a minutes piece if we had made a similar mistake with our name. So, "Teabagger" is here to stay. As for me personally, I rarely post on the Tea Party as it is passe. Perhaps this is because this practical Democrat agrees strongly with the Republicans on the illegal immigration issue. I believe the efforts in Arizona, Missouri, and Alabama have truly been courageous, while Democrats pander to Mexican American voters. Hell, Obama's policy is about the same as Bush's. Both promote amnesty. I am solidly in for deportation regardless of circumstances. This is a law enforcement, not racial, question.

The subject of this thread is, "Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows"​

From my perspective you could not be more full of shit. Feel Free to stick with the TeaBagger Label if you feel the need, no matter how juvenile. Maybe you can fantasize on being on a Date with Anderson Cooper standing over you, but hey, that's your fantasy. The Main Stream People that did originally came up with the name were not aware of what the Gay Community had turned it into. I don't fault them for not knowing gutter slang. The Tea Party walked away from the term long ago. So who are you trying to play Jackass.

Life Liberty, Property, and the Pursuit of Happiness is what this Republic was founded on. Your attack is not on the Rich, but on the Right of Private Property, and Due Process, so **** You, I know how sad it is, and I really bleed for you, Jerk Off.

Keep feeding the Angry Mob with your Bullshit and lies. When the eye's are open, it's you that will be within reach. There is no substitute for Unalienable Rights, the Free Will, and the Righteous anger that goes with it. You however are feeding Anarchy, with the hope that when it burns itself out, your Totalitarian Utopia will be there to nipple feed whoever is left. So my message to you, is **** Off.

In other words, Teabaggers were inept from the start in naming themselves 'Teabaggers,' so we should give those disorganized bigots a break?

You get one break out of me for the Tea Party on deporting illegal immigrants, but don't push your luck. Teabagging is the easiest win on the board. Let's not do it.

The subject of this thread is, "Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows"​

Makes me wonder why you fear it so much. Is it the Voice? The Power? The Liberty? Free Will? I can understand fully why you are so afraid of the Tea Party. You get no breaks from me. I don't like Control Freaks. I don't lime Piss Ants that would trade in the Constitution for a chance to gain control of others through Favor. You don't even begin to comprehend the effects of your efforts. Just keep pretending you are in it for the common good, as you strip away Individual Rights, for the Selfish interest of the Angry Horde.

 

[Intense]

You guys are insane. The US of A is not breaking up and there will be no bloody revolution.

They are just showing their cards, in hope of support. By my definition it is Insurrection. When realized for what it is, when realized, the level of their incompetence and stupidity, will shut them down.

 

[Intense]

We have a percentage of the population that thinks it has a right to the fruits of someone else's labor. We have a widespread belief that there should be limits on the assets someone might acquire through their own efforts and innovation.

We have another percentage of the population that is determined this shall not happen.

You can't see a collision course in there?

We have Major Opposition out there in the World around us, that would cause harm. It is not in our best interest to break up. It is pretty retarded to think there will be no consequence. The True colors of the Left shine through here, exposing some pretty bad intention. What they cannot attain through Achievement and Merit, they seek to destroy. They have been weakening us for Decades.

 

[Intense]

So much for seeing who supports the Constitution in truth. These Bastards will say or do anything to further their agenda. Why not just be honest at this point? Why do you have to lie still, to advance your agenda and proselytize through deceit and misrepresentation? Because you would be knocked on your ass by the very people you are trying to deceive, should they figure out what you are.

 

[Dragon]

We have a percentage of the population that thinks it has a right to the fruits of someone else's labor.

Indeed we do. It's called the capitalist class.

 

[Dragon]

So much for seeing who supports the Constitution in truth. These Bastards will say or do anything to further their agenda. Why not just be honest at this point?

I support most of the Constitution. I'd like to see, at minimum, an amendment to the document that clarifies that money is not speech and that a corporation is not a person.

To see what I might like at maximum, go to the link in my signature and read the free, short e-pamphlet there (about 4000 words).

 

[Big Fitz]

We have a percentage of the population that thinks it has a right to the fruits of someone else's labor. We have a widespread belief that there should be limits on the assets someone might acquire through their own efforts and innovation.

We have another percentage of the population that is determined this shall not happen.

You can't see a collision course in there?

And those who believe force is justified to give them their desired life without merit or work are more than comfortable in using violence to get it.

This has been the case since the French Revolution.

 

[The Gadfly]

When I recall the angry zietgeist in the nation during the time of the antiwar movement, AND the civil rights movements, and I compare that to what we're facing right now, I seriously doubt that a bloody revolution is in the making.

As much as some Americans now hate the "dirty smelly hippies" of the OWS movement, the absolutely disgust many Americans felt for the Yuppies, Hippies and anti-war protestors of the late 1960s was even worse than today.

Still we managed to roll with that and come back out of it, eventually.

And when this economic finally settles down and people get used to the idea that they are never again going to be in a real middle class and they give up all their delusions about winning the American Dream?

This national Scamocracy we call our American Republic will continue unabated.

I hope you're right; I'd sure like to believe you are, but there's at least one big difference between those times and this, and it might be a key factor. Back then, the conflict was between two generations: the Baby Boomers, and the WW II generation, who were then "the establishment". We also were not far removed from WW II and the relatively more conformist and traditional fifties, and the hippies and yippies found little to no support among their elders.

Today's society is different; now, it's the Boomers who hold the levers of power, and while some eventually turned conservative, or at least moderated their views, a significant number did not. In addition there are two more generations, largely raised in permissiveness and entitlement; many of them without any solid values, adrift , disillusioned, and increasingly angry-the perfect fodder for demagoguery. Under those circumstances, the Left still can't win, but it may well be emboldened enough to try, instead of just talk. Meanwhile, society itself is fragmented on other fronts; the racial divide still simmers, with an increasingly angry dispute over illegal immigration continuing unresolved. Add to that increased political polarization, a decline in the influence of religion, and economic hard times and uncertainty; while at the same time, real political and civic leadership has decreased in both numbers and quality until there is virtually none.

The danger is not that this little revolt will succeed; that's extremely unlikely. The real danger is what else it may set off; It's akin to striking a match in a shed full of open gas cans-it's not whether the match actually lights; it's a question of whether the sparks reach the fumes. Just a little bad luck, and an abortive insurrection turns into something far worse, in a cascade of unintended and unforeseen consequences.That's the REAL concern, I think.

 

[Dragon]

I hope you're right; I'd sure like to believe you are, but there's at least one big difference between those times and this, and it might be a key factor. Back then, the conflict was between two generations: the Baby Boomers, and the WW II generation, who were then "the establishment". We also were not far removed from WW II and the relatively more conformist and traditional fifties, and the hippies and yippies found little to no support among their elders.

Oh, this is also a generational conflict, between the Boomers as elders (those of them in power, anyway) and the Millennials. But there's another important difference. That period was an Awakening era, while this is a Crisis era. We get both at roughly 40-year intervals, alternated. (Thus, a Crisis in the 1930s-40s, an Awakening in the 1960s-70s, then another Crisis in the 2010s-20s.) A Crisis era, like we're in now, is mainly political and economic in focus, while an Awakening era is primarily cultural and moral and religious in focus. The political movements in the Awakening achieved imperfect success because they were a sideshow. The main movements of the time were cultural: changes to sexual morality, women's liberation, gay rights, environmentalism. Those movements have just about completely succeeded, except for the last, and even that has succeeded to the point where "green" has become part of the common moral parlance.

Today's society is different; now, it's the Boomers who hold the levers of power, and while some eventually turned conservative, or at least moderated their views, a significant number did not.

I would say rather that some Boomers were always conservative. It's a big generation. The idea of hippies turning into yuppies is mostly a myth; Boomers who were hippies are still hippies, although with somewhat more practicality and maturity, and it was a different segment of the generation that were yuppies. Boomers who are now leaders in the religious right were not, in the 1960s, hippies or antiwar protesters.

In addition there are two more generations, largely raised in permissiveness and entitlement; many of them without any solid values, adrift , disillusioned, and increasingly angry-the perfect fodder for demagoguery.

This is a complete mischaracterization of both Generation X and the Millennials. Well, except for the "disillusioned" part, for Gen-X only. But "without any solid values"? No, they just don't share YOUR values; that doesn't mean they don't have values of their own. They certainly do. They tend to be pro-gay-rights and pro-gender-equality and environmentalist, for example, and all of those are "solid values." You may not agree with them, but they are values just the same.

Under those circumstances, the Left still can't win, but it may well be emboldened enough to try, instead of just talk.

I wouldn't assume we can't win if I were you. Jefferson was right: a government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed. Corporate money is keeping the government from truly seeking the consent of the governed. Without that consent, it cannot survive. The power only seems to be with the government and the wealthy elite. In reality, it's with the people, and on some core issues, like that corruption itself, the people are far more united than you seem ready to believe.

 

[Katzndogz]

The people are united only in the existence of discontent. Where that discontent is directed is the core of dissent.

The parasites in the entitlement class direct their discontent to those who work to acquire assets and refuse to share with that who refuse to work.

The working and business class directs their discontent to the entitlement class and an increasing number of demands.

 

[Katzndogz]

The OWS movement is dying. They are fighting over money, the protests themselves are badly attended. Less than 50 people showed up for a police brutality protest. Partly because there isn't any police brutality.

Tensions grow at Occupy Wall Street as money and power struggles fester behind-the-scenes - NYPOST.com

Even a free movie night with pyjamas in freezing weather and free popcorn can't help.

 

[georgephillip]

"Good news for Occupy Wall Street protestors: 67 percent of New York City voters agree with protestors' demonstrations and 72 percent of New Yorkers statewide desire a Millionaire's Tax in order to increase taxes for those who earn more than $1 million a year. The numbers were released on Monday by two separate polls conducted by Quinnipiac University and Siena College."

The oligarchs are dying.
In their silk pajamas.
Popcorn pimps to the end.

 

[Katzndogz]

I am familiar with polls conducted by both those organizations. I am surprised that they didn't come up with 100%. I would have expected results in the 90% range from them.

 

[Katzndogz]

For a different point of view, that isn't liberal directed.

Figures… Only 37% of Americans Support Obama-Endorsed #OWS Freakshow | The Gateway Pundit

After weeks of enthusiastic reports by the liberal media – still only 37% of Americans support the far left Occupy freaks.

I don't believe that one either. Too many groups support OWS. The American Nazi party, the Communist Party USA, Unions, Democrats. Obama, of which I am very happy. He is going to be welded to OWS at the hip come election time.

 

[georgephillip]

What level of support have you seen for Wall Street?

 

[Ropey]

Why are welfare queens having more babies to be supported on the public dole? Why do college students get loans for worthless degrees because they want to smoke pot and drink through their years of school and then don't want to pay their debt? Why are pimps baby daddys to a dozen women and gather up those EBT cars every month. Who do shitters at OWS whine about more donations, especially condoms that they expect for free.

I'd rather Wall Street took it all.

It is a time of discontent. Easy to pass and divert blame. Also Soul searching time.

QFT

 

[Intense]

So much for seeing who supports the Constitution in truth. These Bastards will say or do anything to further their agenda. Why not just be honest at this point?

I support most of the Constitution. I'd like to see, at minimum, an amendment to the document that clarifies that money is not speech and that a corporation is not a person.

To see what I might like at maximum, go to the link in my signature and read the free, short e-pamphlet there (about 4000 words).

If you want to Remove Speech from one Group, how do not treat All Groups the same way? A Union is not a Person. A PAC is not a Person, The Democratic Party is not a Person, The Republican Party is not a Person. What exactly is Free Speech? What about my Right to Listen? Does Google's attempt to buy up Yahoo concern you? How many minds are controlled by the results of Google Searches?

I think Monopolies are bad and adversely effect the Free Market. I think only Human Beings should Own Stocks, not Conglomerates. I agree with you on unfair Trade Practices, and would like to see Government Oversight and Review. I do believe the Law Makers are fingering Conglomerates with one hand, while the other is in the pot with the conglomerates. Can GE do anything wrong now a days?

I do believe that we need Major Reform, I do not Agree in any way with throwing away the Constitution, You are all being duped by a Source desperate for Power and Control, willing to stoop to any level to remove the Safeguards, which prevent it from Usurping Authority and Jurisdiction, when Truly, it's only goal is to displace the Ruling Class, not correct any wrongs. Show me the List of Wrongs that have been Corrected. I'll show you the Mass Graves that Always follow these types of Revolutions. That does not include those that fall in Battle. It is the Over informed, the Critics, those with Ball's enough to Question Authority, that end up in the Mass Graves which Fertilize your Promised Socialist Utopia, Comrade. Something that never gets enough Fertilizer to actually succeed in It's Lie.

Freedom of Speech allows you to Speak your mind, Listen to other Perspectives on any issue, and it also allows you to challenge, address, and Rebut. Stand in confidence of your own Witness, and have the Courtesy to allow others to do the same. Censorship and Arbitrary Proclamations concerning Political Discourse do not serve Justice.

 

[Intense]

What level of support have you seen for Wall Street?

Who's invested in it? Are You?

 

[Intense]

For a different point of view, that isn't liberal directed.

Figures… Only 37% of Americans Support Obama-Endorsed #OWS Freakshow | The Gateway Pundit

After weeks of enthusiastic reports by the liberal media – still only 37% of Americans support the far left Occupy freaks.

I don't believe that one either. Too many groups support OWS. The American Nazi party, the Communist Party USA, Unions, Democrats. Obama, of which I am very happy. He is going to be welded to OWS at the hip come election time.

Most of the Supporters are Truly unaware of the real agenda here. The real Trouble Makers going so far out of their way to make Insurrection look like a natural occurring reaction to perceived Injustice. The Dirt Bags need to be uncovered for what they are.