Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows

[mudwhistle]

I'm not confused....they're joined at the hip.

No, you are confused, and that's why you asked that question about Democratic corruption as if it were somehow contradictory of something else, when in fact the answer is obvious. The Democrats are part of the problem, part of what's being protested here. The Democratic Party is one thing. Occupy Wall Street is something else. Assertions to the contrary are lies.

We've got SEIU leaders on tape discussing this event and it's goal, to bring down the economy. SEIU is Obama's crew.

The only kind of person that would support this agrees with that goal.

It's why our enemies are throwing their support behind it.

 

[Dragon]

We've got SEIU leaders on tape discussing this event and it's goal, to bring down the economy. SEIU is Obama's crew.

First, SEIU is not in control of OWS any more than the Democratic Party is; secondly, the claim that SEIU has a goal to "bring down the economy" is ridiculous and the claim you have the union's leaders on tape saying this is a flat lie. And third, while SEIU does support President Obama, so do a lot of the Wall Street firms that the protest is targeting -- and they're targeting him, too.

It's a tribute to just how effective this protest is becoming that its opponents feel they have to lie about it in order to discredit it, as you are doing here.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'm going to start snipping anything you say that you fail to provide any evidence for.

Management frowns on that and you're not in the "in crowd" so proceed carefully.

Your bluster is not a refutation of what I said about most of Europe's industrial capacity (except for Germany's of course) being undamaged by the war.

Son, stupid lies are not a valid argument, regardless of how badly you want socialism.

There may have been a factory or two in southern England bombed by the Germans during the Blitz, but the bulk of British industry was in the north, and the Luftwaffe could not reach it. England suffered only minimal damage to its industrial capacity. The same is true of all other combatants except for Germany, Japan, and the Soviet Union (but the USSR wasn't a significant U.S. trade partner after the war so only Germany and Japan suffered significant industrial damage as that impacted U.S. trade).

You're making a fool of yourself.

The idea of a world in rubble is a myth. It did not happen that way.

Reread what I said, and try again. That is a non-response.

Dragon, you're an idiot, a liar, or both.

You've come back twice now with general statements like that in no way conflict with what I said, then tack a "no" on in front of it as if that by itself made it actual response.

Workers added in order to meet unmet consumer demand DO increase profitability.

No Sparky, they don't. There is huge, unmet demand for a $20 iPad - meeting that demand will not increase profitability for Apple.

Workers added when there is no consumer demand to justify them DON'T increase profitability. Workers will be added when need to meet unmet demand BECAUSE that will increase profitability, and won't be added otherwise because it would NOT do so.

No sparky, headcount is increased when sales volume AND MARGIN warrant the increase. A business that looses money will not be in business long.

Twist and squirm though you may, the bottom line is that hiring is done in response to consumer demand and for no other reason.

You are an idiot with zero knowledge of business or economics. Consumer demand is only one of the factors that drive hiring.

Rather than to take advantage of the tenfold savings in labor costs?

In other words, what if they do the same thing that a lot of other companies have done, but for a totally different and by comparison trivial reason?

Takes all kinds, I guess.

Escaping the cost of regulations is far from trivial.

Most of the people at [OWS] Union goons.

Prove it.

Don't change backquotes, son.

It's a violation of the TOS.

Unions dominate the Shitter Revolution, this is simply fact.

 

[mudwhistle]

We've got SEIU leaders on tape discussing this event and it's goal, to bring down the economy. SEIU is Obama's crew.

First, SEIU is not in control of OWS any more than the Democratic Party is; secondly, the claim that SEIU has a goal to "bring down the economy" is ridiculous and the claim you have the union's leaders on tape saying this is a flat lie. And third, while SEIU does support President Obama, so do a lot of the Wall Street firms that the protest is targeting -- and they're targeting him, too.

It's a tribute to just how effective this protest is becoming that its opponents feel they have to lie about it in order to discredit it, as you are doing here.

I could say the same about the Tea Party.

Course we don't have to make up phantom spitting incidents or call them racists to prove our point. The evidence is all over you tube.

 

[Dragon]

Management frowns on that and you're not in the "in crowd" so proceed carefully.

I honestly couldn't care less. This board is not that important to me; it's just a way to pass the time while I search for new contracts in my business, which like a lot of businesses is slow for the moment. I will go on snipping anything from your posts that is unworthy of a response, which is usually most of it.

The claim is not that the Germans never bombed Britain. Therefore, photos of the results of German bombing are not responsive. The claim is that most British industrial capacity was in the north of the island and was not bombed. You have offered nothing to refute that at all.

Coventry is in the West Midlands, in the south-central part of the island.

Here's a nice general article on the Blitz. It's from Wikipedia, so grain-of-salt recommended as always but I found no inaccuracy in it.

"The bombing did not achieve its intended goals of demoralising the British into surrender or significantly damaging their war economy.[7] In fact, the eight months of bombing never seriously hampered British production and the war industries continued to operate and expand. . . . Several reasons have been suggested for the failure of the German air offensive. First, the Luftwaffe High Command (Oberkommando der Luftwaffe, or OKL) failed to develop a coherent long-term strategy for destroying Britain's war industries. It frequently switched from bombing one type of industry to another, and no sustained pressure was put on any one of them. Second, the Luftwaffe was not equipped to carry out a long-term strategic air campaign. It was not armed in depth, and its intelligence on British industry and capabilities was poor. All of these shortcomings denied the Luftwaffe the ability to make a strategic difference."

As I said, while the Germans obviously did bomb Britain, they did not significantly reduce British industrial capacity. Nor was industry significantly damaged in any of the early German conquests in the industrialized West, including Norway, Denmark, Holland, and France, because German victory was so quick that no sustained bombing or artillery campaign was undertaken. Southern France wasn't even occupied by the Germans. Add to this the fact that many European countries were neutral and never came under attack at all.

In all of Europe, only Germany and the Soviet Union suffered significant industrial damage from the war. German industry had rebuilt to pre-war levels by the mid 1950s. That explanation for American postwar prosperity is totally bogus.

There is huge, unmet demand for a $20 iPad - meeting that demand will not increase profitability for Apple.

LOL there is of course always a demand for pie-in-the-sky fairy-tale products. Do you really think you're saying anything of significance here?

Unions dominate [OWS], this is simply fact.

Prove it.

 

[Dragon]

I could say the same about the Tea Party.

Yes, you could. Claims that the TP is a Republican Party shill or some such are equally false.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I could say the same about the Tea Party.

Course we don't have to make up phantom spitting incidents or call them racists to prove our point. The evidence is all over you tube.

No, we have very real shitting incidents....

 

[Dragon]

No, we have very real shitting incidents....

No, actually those are lies.

 

[mudwhistle]

I could say the same about the Tea Party.

Yes, you could. Claims that the TP is a Republican Party shill or some such are equally false.

Dems love to make false accusations. It keeps the GOP on the defensive. It makes the Dems look more honest and gives their target a presumption of guilt.

But after the mud-slinging proves ineffective they break out the excuse "they all suck".

In this case it doesn't fly.

The Tea Party wants a responsive government that listens to the voter plus they want an end to massive deficit spending, and for their troubles they get call racist, terrorist, and Sons of Bitches.

Democrats don't want to listen, so they dreamed up the OWS in an attempt to copy the TP and set their paid instigators at SEIU in charge of the operation to make sure it lasts.

Did you know media focus has completely changed from Fast & Furious to OWS like F&F never happened. A Republican Prez would have heard no end to it.

 

[Dragon]

Dems love to make false accusations. It keeps the GOP on the defensive.

You keep trying to turn this into a Democrat/Republican thing when that's not what it's about at all.

 

[flacaltenn]

There is NO evidence that Corporate influence created ideas like "1st time homebuyer tax credits"

There is also no evidence that first time homebuyer tax credits had much, if anything, to do with causing the economic meltdown.

Ahhh.. Just another artificial waste of taxpayer money then --- Right? OF COURSE those credits had a LARGE effect. Created a FRENZY in fact everytime they threatened to end them. Want me to quantify that for Ya? What about keeping interest rates low? What about the fact that Fanny/Freddy was FORCED to back higher amounts of the subprimes they engineered?

The ideas exist politically independent of the Cash flowing in both directions.

Are you actually naive enough to believe this?

Doesn't require naivety. A lot of people support domestic drilling for oil and gas. That lobby doesn't exist because of corporate cash. The opposition to UNIVERSAL health care doesn't stem from corporate cash. You want to set the appearance that ANY position lobbied for has no popular roots. Ethanol? Farm subsidies?

There are records of Clinton administration internal discussions that reveal the repeal of Glass-Steagal as part of a deal demanded by Wall Street in exchange for certain concessions and favors.

The power to SEND THE REGULATORS home -like Barney did -- is just pure arrogance of power. "Too big to fail?" -- GM bailouts that screwed current investors and favored the Unions?

No, it's not "pure arrogance of power," it's what the big contributors wanted. Wall Street gives massive amounts of money to both parties. Because of this, both parties kiss Wall Street's ass. That there was going to be some sort of deal pulling their patoots out of the fire at public expense was a given.

There might have been a bailout anyway ("too big to fail" wasn't entirely false), but without the corrupting influence of campaign cash it would have had a lot more strings attached to it and been much more in the public interest.

Of course the bailouts were gonna happen. Do you want me to believe that contributions made to the 2008 campaign BEFORE the meltdown somehow were to influence a bailout? Even when the banks didn't WANT the money -- they were intimidated into taking it. It IS the power to CREATE a subsidy or a loan that is the problem. GOVT shouldn't be writing EITHER of those unless it's for R&D.

You want to ignore the SOURCE of the POWER to grant favors and meddle.

It's impossible to fix that. If the government suddenly decided to keep its hands off the economy in all but the most basic ways, as libertarians want, corporate campaign donors would use their influence to make it butt back in. That's how the government got into the economy in the first place back in the late 19th century.

Why would corporations want to continue to waste time lobbying and donating if the power spigot got turned off? They'd have to earn a honest living.. Shut OFF the spigot and see if K Street is suddenly more bars and cupcake stores. We BOTH want that. Do the experiment. Let's see who's right....

 

[mudwhistle]

Dems love to make false accusations. It keeps the GOP on the defensive.

You keep trying to turn this into a Democrat/Republican thing when that's not what it's about at all.

That is part of what it is about. But something else has taken the opportunity and moved in.

The OWS didn't know what they were protesting at first.

So SEIU is teaching them what it is they're protesting.

Obama is the front man, George Soros, the Tides Foundation, and the National Network of Fiscal Sponsors are the bankroll, William Ayers, Van Jones, George Soros, to name a few, are the inventors of this movement.

The White House is part of the problem but the GOP will eventually get all of the blame.

That is only part of what this is about.

Btw, the owners of the park are Suncor Energy Inc. a Canadian energy company specializing in synthetic crudes and oil sands.

Imagine that....an oil company sponsoring their event.

Anyway....as to your claim that this event is just protest and not an attempt at economic revolution:

Charlie Gasparino has a piece in the New York Post. He went down, actually talked to some of these protesters down there, and like everybody else that has gone down there and done that, he came away with quite a stark reaction. And his advice is tell the president, you don't want to be anywhere near this. These people are, whether they know it or not, a bunch of Marxists. This is not just about redistributing wealth. This is about total revolution. That's what the people doing this thing think it's about. And he made an interesting observation.

"Also absent was any notice of how the much-hated banks benefited not from free-market capitalism, which would have let them fail in 2008, but from crony capitalism that bailed them out." These people are down there hating the banks, hating capitalism, where if capitalism had been allowed to run its course, these banks would have failed, they would not have been bailed out, and these people would be poor and penniless and maybe in jail if the market had been allowed to rule. And yet what happened? Capitalism was superseded by the notion that they were too big to fail and big government stepped in and bailed them out. It was exactly the kind of government these people claim they want that led to the circumstances that tick them off.

It’s not an overstatement to describe Zuccotti Park as New York’s Marxist epicenter. Flags with the iconic face of the Marxist revolutionary Che Guevara are everywhere; the only American flag I saw was hanging upside down. The “occupiers” openly refer to each other as “comrade,” and just about every piece of literature on offer (free or for sale) advocated socialism in the Marxist tradition as a cure-all for the inequalities of the American economic system.

Don’t try to explain to any of these protesters how those who sought to create a Marxist utopian dream of revolution also gave us the Stalinist purges, Mao’s bloody Cultural Revolution and many other efforts to collectivize thought in the name of economic “justice.”

One woman was holding a “Nationalize the Federal Reserve” sign; I tried to explain that the Fed is already nationalized, because it’s part of government, and she told me to “go check my f--king facts -- it’s privately owned.”

That’s when I was handed a piece paper offering the following wisdom: “The Game of Capitalism Breeds Dishonest Men.” The author of such deep thinking was a dude named De La Vega, an artist convicted a few years back for painting graffiti on a warehouse in The Bronx.

That was pretty mild compared to the sentiments offered in the official “Statement of the League for the Revolutionary Party” on the protests. These guys view as the enemy not just Wall Street tycoons, but also liberal labor leaders like Richard Trumka of the AFL-CIO.

The problem with Trumka, according to the Revolutionary Party and its Zuccotti Park contingent: He wants to work with wishy-washy Democratic Party politicians, where the true revolutionaries want to “defend and develop Marxist theory as a guide to action,” which is the protests’ real purpose.

Occupy Wall Street’s Marxists--Charles Gasparino - NYPOST.com

The problem is this is a revolution that has been hijacked by the worst element in this country. The same happened in Egypt, Iran, just about every revolution in history save ours.

The kind of company you keep matters.

 

[freedombecki]

Dems love to make false accusations. It keeps the GOP on the defensive.

You keep trying to turn this into a Democrat/Republican thing when that's not what it's about at all.

It is now.

 

[Preius]

Preius::

I am pushing psychiatry on you because I have little respect for that "science" and I wish you harm..

We SHOULD be working on those anti-capitalistic tendencies tho -- so that you might become a better spokesperson for economic and social freedom. But time is up on our session for the week. See the nurse on the way out for your next appointment..

I wish you had posted this nonsense before I wasted my time offering you serious consideration.

 

[mudwhistle]

A racist OWS protester lays it on the line:

Anti-Semitic Protester at Occupy Wall Street - LA - YouTube

 

[mudwhistle]

The age range of Tea Party members is between 35-80.

The age range of the Occupy Wall Street folks is 18-40.

Most suicide-bombers are between the age of 18-30.

Which group would you think is more likely to have a greater concentration of misinformed pinheads? The Tea Party or the OWS?

 

[Preius]

Are you doing better now than you were during Reagan second term? I was. and that was 25 years ago.

I don't understand if you're saying here that you are or aren't doing better than you were in the late 1980s.

Most people aren't. Most people are a good deal worse off now than they were then. That's the point.

It's a whether simple question no need to back it down word for word.

Are you doing better now than you were in the mid to late 80's
Better or worse.

In the mid to late 80s I had it made. We had a great club house, access to cigarettes, a couple of 'Playboy's,' free Mountain Dew because Eddie Bumpensaro's dad worked for Pepsi, a German Shepherd, and I discovered masturbation. No, I am not better off now.

 

[Preius]

There you go Preius.. I suspected you'd endorse a KristalNacht like "message" to the scapegoats you've selected as an enemy.. Don't bother responding to RATIONAL debate -- like you dodged my response to you yesterday.. http://www.usmessageboard.com/4267291-post1040.html

Just go for the punchline. Good Job.. Nancy Pelosi is REAL PROUD of your conviction..

Please, for the sake of those of us who actually read you, write for CLARITY first. I have no idea who KristaNacht is, so now I have to Google. Kristallnacht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Apparently, you think I hate Hebrew People, I will tell you this as a WASP, if it were not for my close Hebrew ties, my career would not be as advanced as it is at my age. I have had clients, (Jewish and others) request me specifically on their accounts because of my reputation.

I like Pelosi and Reid, but I do not get down on a rug and bow every morning like Repubs do to Austin, Texas for Rick Perry. I am a disgruntled Dem who is unhappy that President Barry Obama would consider cutting Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security. This is totally unacceptable. Pelosi and Reid have stuck to their guns. While I respect that, it is REQUIRED OF DEMS as far as I am concerned.

I have not dodged a single post of yours. In fact I went back for a post you complained about because I missed it. It would appear that the entire purpose of this post has to do with Jewish people, which I have responded to - even though it is off-topic. Do you actually think about what you post, or do you just dump whatever pops into your mind at the moment?

The subject of this thread is "Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows"​

Yes, Preius, you wouldn't mind violence, not if it serves your desired end. Of course, you'll denounce it publicly, while you relish it in private. So what if some "Wall Street types" are killed; better them than you, and they "deserve it" anyway, right? What happens when it goes to the next level? What happens if one of these loons bombs a CEO's house, and kills their family members-do they "deserve it" too? What happens, if violence breaks out in the streets? You think no innocents might be killed by stray bullets? Oh, but it can be "contained", right?

What happens, if you're wrong? What happens, if after the mob turns on the desired scapegoats, they start taking out their frustration on everyone else who happens to have more than they do? You see, there are some differences between this and Krystallnacht that go beyond scapegoating "the Jews" vs. scapegoating "the 1%". The Nazis were organized; this is a rabble. What happens, when they turn on whoever is handy? What happens, if they turn on YOU (I'm sure they'll be very moved to hear you're a "social liberal"-mobs are very amenable to reasoning, that way)?

You had better be careful what you wish for, because this is a very divided country, along a number of fronts, there are plenty of guns, and they are not all on the same side. Violence is an easy thing to start; stopping it can be another matter entirely. At best, you'll have one hell of a lot of bloodshed; at worst, you'll have neighbor against neighbor, with a lot of factions and shifting alliances. Think you can just hunker down and sit it out? Don't bet on it. Think you can buy safety for yourself and your family? Think again. If and when it all hits the fan, it will be a bloody, atrocity-filled mess. The best case scenario is that the active military can regain control, eventually, in which case the survivors will end up with a police state (and be grateful for that). If not, your only friend will be a weapon, and your only allies a defensible position, and enough combat experience to know what to do with both. Eventually, you will kill or be killed for a box of ammunition, a can of food, or a jug of water. I have been in combat, and I can tell you that you had better hope to whatever God you pray to that it never comes to that.

Clearly you are interested in hijacking this thread to share your views about folks of the Hebrew faith - go start a thread elsewhere on your own.

Disliking violence is like disliking emotion. It is a part of life, get used to it, and stop trying to change human nature. The real Tea Party, actually known as the Sons of Liberty involved John Hancock and Sam Adams with their cronies burning the homes of British tax collectors and perhaps murdering a few.

Historians have turned this into "exciting stories of a brewer, and tea merchant." America is as addicted to violence as it is to alcohol and tobacco. You can gloss over it for the kids in history books, but don't be naive yourself.

Here is my prediction if unemployment gets worse and people continue losing their homes. Some poor guy who is about to commit suicide is going to decide to take a few Wall Streeters with him or her. There will be upset when executives are sprayed with bullets, but I doubt there will be any tears.

Our military, (as France's did in 1789) will have to consider how to handle things responsibly to preserve our republic. As did the French soldiers who were told to fire on starving civilians at the Bastille, Americans will have to consider if they fire on their countrymen, or corporate executives and politicians. Now these soldiers at all levels have been underpaid for years. Many rely on food stamps, and few own their own homes. So soldiers and their families will have a stake in the outcome personally. People never seem to have a problem responding in their own self interest.

The American Revolution took place because the wealthy were unhappy with English law and taxes. We already have the Patriotic Millionaires who feel they SHOULD pay more taxes. Patriotic Millionaires Echo Occupy Wall Street (PHOTOS, VIDEOS) So, all the players are there, and the Second Amendment assures weaponry.

Do I endorse violence, no. Do I understand that violence is part of reality, and a political tool, yes. When things get close to a boil, I will invite the people I usually have over for the Academy Awards to come over for cocktails and big screen TV. I won't be at the scene of the violence, but I will write my second check to the 99%. This is going to involve a lot of lawyers when it happens. In the end, there are more working class and poor than wealthy 1%.

 

[Si modo]

Please, for the sake of those of us who actually read you, write for CLARITY first. I have no idea who KristaNacht is, so now I have to Google. Kristallnacht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Apparently, you think I hate Hebrew People, I will tell you this as a WASP, if it were not for my close Hebrew ties, my career would not be as advanced as it is at my age. I have had clients, (Jewish and others) request me specifically on their accounts because of my reputation.

I like Pelosi and Reid, but I do not get down on a rug and bow every morning like Repubs do to Austin, Texas for Rick Perry. I am a disgruntled Dem who is unhappy that President Barry Obama would consider cutting Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security. This is totally unacceptable. Pelosi and Reid have stuck to their guns. While I respect that, it is REQUIRED OF DEMS as far as I am concerned.

I have not dodged a single post of yours. In fact I went back for a post you complained about because I missed it. It would appear that the entire purpose of this post has to do with Jewish people, which I have responded to - even though it is off-topic. Do you actually think about what you post, or do you just dump whatever pops into your mind at the moment?

The subject of this thread is "Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows"​

Yes, Preius, you wouldn't mind violence, not if it serves your desired end. Of course, you'll denounce it publicly, while you relish it in private. So what if some "Wall Street types" are killed; better them than you, and they "deserve it" anyway, right? What happens when it goes to the next level? What happens if one of these loons bombs a CEO's house, and kills their family members-do they "deserve it" too? What happens, if violence breaks out in the streets? You think no innocents might be killed by stray bullets? Oh, but it can be "contained", right?

What happens, if you're wrong? What happens, if after the mob turns on the desired scapegoats, they start taking out their frustration on everyone else who happens to have more than they do? You see, there are some differences between this and Krystallnacht that go beyond scapegoating "the Jews" vs. scapegoating "the 1%". The Nazis were organized; this is a rabble. What happens, when they turn on whoever is handy? What happens, if they turn on YOU (I'm sure they'll be very moved to hear you're a "social liberal"-mobs are very amenable to reasoning, that way)?

You had better be careful what you wish for, because this is a very divided country, along a number of fronts, there are plenty of guns, and they are not all on the same side. Violence is an easy thing to start; stopping it can be another matter entirely. At best, you'll have one hell of a lot of bloodshed; at worst, you'll have neighbor against neighbor, with a lot of factions and shifting alliances. Think you can just hunker down and sit it out? Don't bet on it. Think you can buy safety for yourself and your family? Think again. If and when it all hits the fan, it will be a bloody, atrocity-filled mess. The best case scenario is that the active military can regain control, eventually, in which case the survivors will end up with a police state (and be grateful for that). If not, your only friend will be a weapon, and your only allies a defensible position, and enough combat experience to know what to do with both. Eventually, you will kill or be killed for a box of ammunition, a can of food, or a jug of water. I have been in combat, and I can tell you that you had better hope to whatever God you pray to that it never comes to that.

Clearly you are interested in hijacking this thread to share your views about folks of the Hebrew faith - go start a thread elsewhere on your own.

Disliking violence is like disliking emotion. It is a part of life, get used to it, and stop trying to change human nature. The real Tea Party, actually known as the Sons of Liberty involved John Hancock and Sam Adams with their cronies burning the homes of British tax collectors and perhaps murdering a few.

Historians have turned this into "exciting stories of a brewer, and tea merchant." America is as addicted to violence as it is to alcohol and tobacco. You can gloss over it for the kids in history books, but don't be naive yourself.

Here is my prediction if unemployment gets worse and people continue losing their homes. Some poor guy who is about to commit suicide is going to decide to take a few Wall Streeters with him or her. There will be upset when executives are sprayed with bullets, but I doubt there will be any tears.

Our military, (as France's did in 1789) will have to consider how to handle things responsibly to preserve our republic. As did the French soldiers who were told to fire on starving civilians at the Bastille, Americans will have to consider if they fire on their countrymen, or corporate executives and politicians. Now these soldiers at all levels have been underpaid for years. Many rely on food stamps, and few own their own homes. So soldiers and their families will have a stake in the outcome personally. People never seem to have a problem responding in their own self interest.

The American Revolution took place because the wealthy were unhappy with English law and taxes. We already have the Patriotic Millionaires who feel they SHOULD pay more taxes. Patriotic Millionaires Echo Occupy Wall Street (PHOTOS, VIDEOS) So, all the players are there, and the Second Amendment assures weaponry.

Do I endorse violence, no. Do I understand that violence is part of reality, and a political tool, yes. When things get close to a boil, I will invite the people I usually have over for the Academy Awards to come over for cocktails and big screen TV. I won't be at the scene of the violence, but I will write my second check to the 99%. This is going to involve a lot of lawyers when it happens. In the end, there are more working class and poor than wealthy 1%.

MORE of your hateful violent rhetoric!

What a pig!

When folks get hurt, you and others like you are responsible.

 

[Preius]

Yes, Preius, you wouldn't mind violence, not if it serves your desired end. Of course, you'll denounce it publicly, while you relish it in private. So what if some "Wall Street types" are killed; better them than you, and they "deserve it" anyway, right? What happens when it goes to the next level? What happens if one of these loons bombs a CEO's house, and kills their family members-do they "deserve it" too? What happens, if violence breaks out in the streets? You think no innocents might be killed by stray bullets? Oh, but it can be "contained", right?

What happens, if you're wrong? What happens, if after the mob turns on the desired scapegoats, they start taking out their frustration on everyone else who happens to have more than they do? You see, there are some differences between this and Krystallnacht that go beyond scapegoating "the Jews" vs. scapegoating "the 1%". The Nazis were organized; this is a rabble. What happens, when they turn on whoever is handy? What happens, if they turn on YOU (I'm sure they'll be very moved to hear you're a "social liberal"-mobs are very amenable to reasoning, that way)?

You had better be careful what you wish for, because this is a very divided country, along a number of fronts, there are plenty of guns, and they are not all on the same side. Violence is an easy thing to start; stopping it can be another matter entirely. At best, you'll have one hell of a lot of bloodshed; at worst, you'll have neighbor against neighbor, with a lot of factions and shifting alliances. Think you can just hunker down and sit it out? Don't bet on it. Think you can buy safety for yourself and your family? Think again. If and when it all hits the fan, it will be a bloody, atrocity-filled mess. The best case scenario is that the active military can regain control, eventually, in which case the survivors will end up with a police state (and be grateful for that). If not, your only friend will be a weapon, and your only allies a defensible position, and enough combat experience to know what to do with both. Eventually, you will kill or be killed for a box of ammunition, a can of food, or a jug of water. I have been in combat, and I can tell you that you had better hope to whatever God you pray to that it never comes to that.

Clearly you are interested in hijacking this thread to share your views about folks of the Hebrew faith - go start a thread elsewhere on your own.

Disliking violence is like disliking emotion. It is a part of life, get used to it, and stop trying to change human nature. The real Tea Party, actually known as the Sons of Liberty involved John Hancock and Sam Adams with their cronies burning the homes of British tax collectors and perhaps murdering a few.

Historians have turned this into "exciting stories of a brewer, and tea merchant." America is as addicted to violence as it is to alcohol and tobacco. You can gloss over it for the kids in history books, but don't be naive yourself.

Here is my prediction if unemployment gets worse and people continue losing their homes. Some poor guy who is about to commit suicide is going to decide to take a few Wall Streeters with him or her. There will be upset when executives are sprayed with bullets, but I doubt there will be any tears.

Our military, (as France's did in 1789) will have to consider how to handle things responsibly to preserve our republic. As did the French soldiers who were told to fire on starving civilians at the Bastille, Americans will have to consider if they fire on their countrymen, or corporate executives and politicians. Now these soldiers at all levels have been underpaid for years. Many rely on food stamps, and few own their own homes. So soldiers and their families will have a stake in the outcome personally. People never seem to have a problem responding in their own self interest.

The American Revolution took place because the wealthy were unhappy with English law and taxes. We already have the Patriotic Millionaires who feel they SHOULD pay more taxes. Patriotic Millionaires Echo Occupy Wall Street (PHOTOS, VIDEOS) So, all the players are there, and the Second Amendment assures weaponry.

Do I endorse violence, no. Do I understand that violence is part of reality, and a political tool, yes. When things get close to a boil, I will invite the people I usually have over for the Academy Awards to come over for cocktails and big screen TV. I won't be at the scene of the violence, but I will write my second check to the 99%. This is going to involve a lot of lawyers when it happens. In the end, there are more working class and poor than wealthy 1%.

MORE of your hateful violent rhetoric!

What a pig!

When folks get hurt, you and others like you are responsible.

I remember when I was just a liberal Democrat before I became a practical liberal Democrat. It was so easy to post, just dump the party line into a post. I felt good, I had taken a stand.

Then I read about illegal aliens absorbing $113 BILLION A YEAR in taxpayer dollars for education, health care, and welfare. I thought, damn, we have been generous, and now we are getting ripped off!!! $113 BILLION a year is about what we spend on the War in Afghanistan.

Why, I wondered aren't we spending that $113 BILLION A YEAR on our own American CITIZENS. That was the first time I had the word 'bigot' used on me. As a Dem, I was amazed until I realized that illegal propagandists like La Raza are all over these boards with two objectives. 1). Keep the $113 BILLION a year flowing to illegals, and 2). continue efforts to make U. S. border States into a province of Mexico known as Aztlan. Then I learned that La Raza is a registered lobbyist openly trying to remove whites from border States. National Council of La Raza | Take Action

What angered me most is the stupidity of these Utopian liberals who are supporting this, and if La Raza gets it's way, will be asked to leave Aztlan because they are white!

Folks there are organizations posting in these threads to sell an agenda. I have been personally targeted. The same is true of the 99%. Like they say follow the money. Who gains by discrediting the 99%? Could it be the Republican Party or Teabaggers. Decide for yourself, read some of the posts here. There are foreign interests disguised as fellow citizens. You do not need a four year degree to follow this.

Yes, I think some folks are going to get hurt, and it is regretable. But, it will not be the first time an American has lost a life in an effort to preserve American freedom from an oppressor. If you want to worry about America, worry about Mitt Romney getting into the White House without his magic underware! The 99% is you.