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So they should get special treatment because they are religious?
Note that while I don't agree with the punishment or even the law in the first place they should not be special in the law.
They are clearly causing a disruption on a weekly basis however.
If the people don't have a problem with it though I'm not sure why it should matter?
They should dispute it under the first amendment though.
How are they causing a disruption? Would it cause a disruption if a group of union members got together for a party once a week?
It may depend on where they live. I know that if my block was parked up on a regular basis for some idiot have meetings... i would be calling in and having them cited too.
Entitlement junkies.
All they need to do is get a permit, but of course they are too good for that.
Who cares about states rights?
Why should they need a permit for something they are doing in their own house? Should the city be able to require you to get a permit to have meetings about political causes, because the ordinance covers that. What if you were organizing a petition to make the city provide more money for libraries and schools but they would not give you a permit? Would that be permissible or do you think it should only apply to things you do not like?
It's Orange County people, the most conservative right wing county in California. It's the home of the John Birch Society, people, and Disneyland where a young man with hair too long was once denied admission by the happist place on earth.
What you see, and what you're all whinning about is what the rest of the country will be like if the New Right finishes its take over of the Republican Party and one day controls the agenda of the Congress and the White House as it already does of the Supreme Court.
I don't care if they are showing bi-weekly porno flicks with Palin and Rice....if the neighbors object, the neighbors object. One homeowner does not get to dictate what goes on in the neighborhood.
the neighbors have rights too.
Its not about whos in their home its about screwing up the lives of their neighbors with 40 cars on a bi weekly basis.
Just because they are Christains doesnt gove them the right to ruin the neighborhood and the housing prices of the other people who live there
Yes, they do. They have the right to make sure that any illegally parked cars are ticketed. They do not have the right to tell their neighbors they cannot have people over to their house.
what these people dont realize is its likely a parking issue.
I do not give a fuck what they claim the issue is, the government does not have the authority to dictate what people can discuss inside their homes.
I don't give a fuck what they are meeting for either. Look closely...its about regular meetings of 3 or more people. They don't give a shit about what they are meeting about.
I would have issues with the cars and fucking up my life...
...violation of municipal code 9-3.301, which prohibits religious, fraternal or non-profit organizations ...
If they were muslims you would not be defending this
If you are talking to me, I would be defending this. Unlike you I do not pick and chose who gets to have rights. The government does not have the right to tell anyone who they can have in their home, or require them to pay money for that right.
How are they causing a disruption? Would it cause a disruption if a group of union members got together for a party once a week?
It may depend on where they live. I know that if my block was parked up on a regular basis for some idiot have meetings... i would be calling in and having them cited too.
Your block has parking restrictions, and the city would send out a bunch of tow trucks to get the impound fees. If OC did the same thing I would have no problem with them, the fact that they are trying to get money for the meeting is what I object to.
I do not give a fuck what they claim the issue is, the government does not have the authority to dictate what people can discuss inside their homes.
I don't give a fuck what they are meeting for either. Look closely...its about regular meetings of 3 or more people. They don't give a shit about what they are meeting about.
I would have issues with the cars and fucking up my life...
Actually, they do care what they are talking about.
...violation of municipal code 9-3.301, which prohibits religious, fraternal or non-profit organizations ...
That is the ordinance they are citing. The news is leaving out a few facts.
The city has an ordinance for ANY meetings of 3 or more people on a regular basis.
They don't care what the meeting is about.
No one is being singled out... they just got caught and or complained about.
Exactly! Residential means RESIDENTIAL.
I don't give a fuck what they are meeting for either. Look closely...its about regular meetings of 3 or more people. They don't give a shit about what they are meeting about.
I would have issues with the cars and fucking up my life...
Actually, they do care what they are talking about.
...violation of municipal code 9-3.301, which prohibits religious, fraternal or non-profit organizations ...
That is the ordinance they are citing. The news is leaving out a few facts.
So what they are saying is that it is zoned....residential.
The city has an ordinance for ANY meetings of 3 or more people on a regular basis.
Nope, only religious meetings.
It's a flagrant violation of the 1st Amendment.
They don't care what the meeting is about.
Yes they do, it specifically prohibits religious meetings.
No one is being singled out... they just got caught and or complained about.
It's an infringement of the free exercise of religion, an infringement on the right to assemble and a violation of equal protection under the law.
San Juan Capistrano is a miniature version of San Francisco. They're so far left that the main drag might be renamed "Che' Guevara Boulevard" (or maybe "Bolevar...")
If they were muslims you would not be defending this
If you are talking to me, I would be defending this. Unlike you I do not pick and chose who gets to have rights. The government does not have the right to tell anyone who they can have in their home, or require them to pay money for that right.
No, i agree... no one has the right to tell anyone what they talk about in their homes.
However as a neighbor......I have the right to complain about the nuisance what you are doing in terms of impacting the streets and neighborhood. Also if there is a stranding ordinance for a permit of regular meetings ....they pay up and shut up.
It may depend on where they live. I know that if my block was parked up on a regular basis for some idiot have meetings... i would be calling in and having them cited too.
Your block has parking restrictions, and the city would send out a bunch of tow trucks to get the impound fees. If OC did the same thing I would have no problem with them, the fact that they are trying to get money for the meeting is what I object to.
The city has an ordinance for ANY meetings of 3 or more people on a regular basis. They don't care what the meeting is about. No one is being singled out... they just got caught and or complained about.
The article I linked later in the thread than the OP shows that someone did complain.And you didn't answer my question. If they get the permit, what changes?
What changes is that they either have the agreement of the neighbors to hold potentially disrupting meetings or they don't. Neighbors have a vested interest in what happens in their neighborhood.
I don't give a fuck what they are meeting for either. Look closely...its about regular meetings of 3 or more people. They don't give a shit about what they are meeting about.
I would have issues with the cars and fucking up my life...
Actually, they do care what they are talking about.
That is the ordinance they are citing. The news is leaving out a few facts....violation of municipal code 9-3.301, which prohibits religious, fraternal or non-profit organizations ...
So what they are saying is that it is zoned....residential.
If you are talking to me, I would be defending this. Unlike you I do not pick and chose who gets to have rights. The government does not have the right to tell anyone who they can have in their home, or require them to pay money for that right.
No, i agree... no one has the right to tell anyone what they talk about in their homes.
However as a neighbor......I have the right to complain about the nuisance what you are doing in terms of impacting the streets and neighborhood. Also if there is a stranding ordinance for a permit of regular meetings ....they pay up and shut up.
The problem is the permit actually only applies to some people, not everyone.
It's Orange County people, the most conservative right wing county in California. It's the home of the John Birch Society, people, and Disneyland where a young man with hair too long was once denied admission by the happist place on earth.
What you see, and what you're all whinning about is what the rest of the country will be like if the New Right finishes its take over of the Republican Party and one day controls the agenda of the Congress and the White House as it already does of the Supreme Court.
No, they aren't saying that at all. The neighbors HAVE to be asked to see if there are any objections.The article I linked later in the thread than the OP shows that someone did complain.And you didn't answer my question. If they get the permit, what changes?
What changes is that they either have the agreement of the neighbors to hold potentially disrupting meetings or they don't. Neighbors have a vested interest in what happens in their neighborhood.
But the 30 to 50 cars will still be parked out there every Sunday and Thursday and the neighbor who complained will still be pissed. That's the point I'm making. What the city is saying is that this is our law, but if you pay us money for this permit (ie. a bribe) we will waive it for you. That's nothing but extortion. The "problem" isn't solved, but the government is a few hundred dollars wealthier.
Actually, they do care what they are talking about.
That is the ordinance they are citing. The news is leaving out a few facts.
So what they are saying is that it is zoned....residential.
No, what they are saying it is illegal to talk about some things and not others.
