Obama’s Team Including Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, Alexander Vindman Told Zelensky to Reject Trump Deal in Violation of Logan Act.

[ThisIsMe]

What contradiction? Me listing three options and then asking another poster which one they support doesn't give you any indication of which one I do. The first post where I said dollars are good discount to American lives does that. Now, what do those words indicate, Moron?

The contradiction is your first post, then you lay out 3 options where the one where you suggest money AND soldiers to "defeat" Russian aggression. If you take the total of your two posts, and you say that you are not wanting to send american troops, then the conclusion that one would reach is you are not in favor of defeating russian aggression, but rather "frustrating" it, by choosing option 2, funding the war with dollars and weapons.

 

[Curried Goats]

The contradiction is your first post, then you lay out 3 options where the one where you suggest money AND soldiers to "defeat" Russian aggression. If you take the total of your two posts, and you say that you are not wanting to send american troops, then the conclusion that one would reach is you are not in favor of defeating russian aggression, but rather "frustrating" it, by choosing option 2, funding the war with dollars and weapons.

You're still not describing any contradiction I can discern. I clearly have a preference. It's helping Ukraine fight a foreign invader with military aid rather than with our own soldiers. I listed three options and asked another poster what they supported. What's confusing you you Moron?

 

[ThisIsMe]

You're still not describing any contradiction I can discern. I clearly have a preference. It's helping Ukraine fight a foreign invader with military aid rather than with our own soldiers. I listed three options and asked another poster what they supported. What's confusing you you Moron?

OK, if there is no contradiction, then that means you are not looking to defeat russian aggression, but just prolong the war with further funding them with money and weapons?

 

[hadit]

I was just in the former Confederacy last week. I saw better race relations than I do in the NorthEast.

And that is a reality. I live next to the Capital of the Confederacy, and I do not see the kind of racial animosity we see in Yankee land.

 

[Curried Goats]

OK, if there is no contradiction, then that means you are not looking to defeat russian aggression, but just prolong the war with further funding them with money and weapons?

I'm looking to support the people fighting a foreign invader. It's their war. I take my cues from them. It's not my place to tell them when to stop fighting. That's their choice.

 

[hadit]

From "Give peace a chance!" to "How dare you want to stop the war!!!". My, how things have changed.

One also notes that the leader and nation the usual suspects are howling we absolutely have to support bans homosexual marriage, kidnaps men off the street to be killed on the battlefield, and bans opposition political parties, all things about which they would be screaming, "FASCIST!!!" if done in the States. Apparently, it's all cool and stuff when the Z man does it.

 

[hadit]

I'm looking to support the people fighting a foreign invader. It's their war. I take my cues from them. It's not my place to tell them when to stop fighting. That's their choice.

IOW, you're captive to their demands that you continue to spend treasure and ultimately blood on their behalf. You cannot decide for yourself if it is a good idea for our nation to be drawn into a proxy war like we were in Korea and Vietnam?

 

[Curried Goats]

And that is a reality. I live next to the Capital of the Confederacy, and I do not see the kind of racial animosity we see in Yankee land.

That's great for you. You two are the real barometers of black racial bias.

 

[Curried Goats]

IOW, you're captive to their demands that you continue to spend treasure and ultimately blood on their behalf. You cannot decide for yourself if it is a good idea for our nation to be drawn into a proxy war like we were in Korea and Vietnam?

Those other words being your words. Am I supposed to stand here and account for your frail make believe?

 

[hadit]

That's great for you. You two are the real barometers of black racial bias.

Just saying what I've observed. Do you live where you see racial conflict?

 

[Curried Goats]

Just saying what I've observed. Do you live where you see racial conflict?

I live and grew up in a minority majority city so yeah. All the time.

 

[hadit]

Those other words being your words. Am I supposed to stand here and account for your frail make believe?

"I take my cues from them. It's not my place to tell them when to stop fighting. That's their choice."

Most of us want the killing to stop, and to that end, refuse to fund the continuation of a war that is killing large numbers of people.

 

[hadit]

I live and grew up in a minority majority city so yeah. All the time.

North or south of the Mason Dixon line?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Remember when the Logan Act was all the rage among Democrats? What happened to that?

I hope that if any of these Obama stooges still have security clearances, they are quickly revoked.

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The same traitors Same who colluded in Trump’s first impeachment and Russia hoax: Zelenskyy, Sullivan, Blinken, Rice, Nuland, and Vindman were the architects of Zelensky’s blowing up the peace talks. They are acting as foreign agents.​

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This is treasonous and most certainly a violation of the Logan Act. Ironically, this treasonous act will have the opposite effect of what they intended – chalk another up to the law of unintended consequences.​

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Obama’s Co-Conspirators Including Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, Alexander Vindman Told Zelensky to Reject Trump Deal in Violation of Logan Act. - Geller Report

This is treasonous and most certainly a violation of the Logan Act. Ironically, this traitorous act will have the opposite effect of what they intended - chalk another one up to the law of unintended consequences.

gellerreport.com

Many good points in that post.

Personally, I cannot believe that Alexander Vindman is still a player on the international stage.

His willingness to lie about Trump’s phone call and his ability to speak Ukrainian has really carried him far. Did he write a book yet?

Back in my army he would have been chaptered out for being overweight long before he got to field grade.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I'm looking to support the people fighting a foreign invader. It's their war. I take my cues from them. It's not my place to tell them when to stop fighting. That's their choice.

But it's not just "their war", it's ours too, both in that we are obligated to help them, and because we are simply just feeding it with resources. They should have started working an exit strategy and a peace deal the very moment it started, not spending 3 years helping it chug along.

 

[Curried Goats]

"I take my cues from them. It's not my place to tell them when to stop fighting. That's their choice."

Most of us want the killing to stop, and to that end, refuse to fund the continuation of a war that is killing large numbers of people.

The killing doesn't stop by wishing it away you bozo. Not funding Ukraine's resistance doesn't mean the killing stops if they aren't yet willing to stop fighting their invaders, it just means they die easier.

North or south of the Mason Dixon line?

South Florida which is north of the Mason Dixon line.

 

[Curried Goats]

But it's not just "their war", it's ours too, both in that we are obligated to help them, and because we are simply just feeding it with resources. They should have started working an exit strategy and a peace deal the very moment it started, not spending 3 years helping it chug along.

They're the ones being invaded. Sorry if that inconveniences you.

 

[hadit]

The killing doesn't stop by wishing it away you bozo. Not funding Ukraine's resistance doesn't mean the killing stops if they aren't yet willing to stop fighting their invaders, it just means they die easier.

Was Truman wrong to drop the nukes on Japan? Some argue that it was unnecessary civilian death while others argue that it stopped the war in its tracks and prevented a long, drawn-out invasion of Japan that would have killed many more. Sometimes it takes an overwhelming attack like that to break an enemy and force the end of a war.

Also, combatants don't dictate the terms by which other nations get involved. If the Z man wants to keep fighting, he can do so, but he doesn't get to dictate that the US fund his efforts and by how much.

South Florida which is north of the Mason Dixon line.

Yes, Florida certainly is north of the line. It's night and day when you cross the border from Georgia.

 

[Billiejeens]

From "Give peace a chance!" to "How dare you want to stop the war!!!". My, how things have changed.

One also notes that the leader and nation the usual suspects are howling we absolutely have to support bans homosexual marriage, kidnaps men off the street to be killed on the battlefield, and bans opposition political parties, all things about which they would be screaming, "FASCIST!!!" if done in the States. Apparently, it's all cool and stuff when the Z man does it.

They clearly have fallen into the Cult of Zelenski.

It is weird that they love him so.

 

[Curried Goats]

Was Truman wrong to drop the nukes on Japan? Some argue that it was unnecessary civilian death while others argue that it stopped the war in its tracks and prevented a long, drawn-out invasion of Japan that would have killed many more. Sometimes it takes an overwhelming attack like that to break an enemy and force the end of a war.

I wouldn't of nuked Japan but these are all just opinions. The question is what are you about? I'm about helping a nation we promised to help in exchange for them giving up their nukes, with funding and weapons to help them repell a foreign invader for as long as they are willing.

Also, combatants don't dictate the terms by which other nations get involved. If the Z man wants to keep fighting, he can do so, but he doesn't get to dictate that the US fund his efforts and by how much.

I'm not suggesting that he has the power to dictate anything to us.

Yes, Florida certainly is north of the line. It's night and day when you cross the border from Georgia.

And? What does that have to do with what? If experience matters in this case as your argument indicates then it's the experiences of Black Americans that matter in this case.