Obama's poll numbers down, Imaginary racism up

[Moon]

What you and rdean do to each other is your business.

Finally a man worthy of my time.

This is beautiful. rdean and Zona find Twoo Wuv!

That is sooooo wrong!

 

[Kat]

Modbert.....let me try and get this straight in my mind. Here is what I see.....

Dive said he voted for Bush because he was the lesser of 2 evils. You implied that voting for the lesser of 2 evils is wrong. Yet you implied that you would have voted for the lesser of 2 evils and voted Obama over McCain??

Is this what I am seeing??

Modbert has answered me elsewhere.

What I am most guilty of is speaking without really reading a thread, so for that I apologize. I never mind saying when I am wrong, plus it was wrong of me to post without reading more first.
When I came in I read a little, and it looked like dog piling, which is something I don't care for, though I know it happens. Shoulda kept my mouth shut.

You guys hash this out....I am outta here!

 

[Wicked Jester]

1) So your vote for obama is not a vote for obama but a vote against mccain or palin?

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I didn't vote so my vote wasn't for or against anything. If I could of voted knowing what I know now, I would of voted for a third party or wrote in Mickey Mouse or something along the lines of that.

However, compared to who could of been in office, Obama was the best candidate.

How so?

Please explain how Obama was the better candidiate. Is it because he was the better speaker?.....Because he sure didn't have the experience of McCain. He had no experience whatsoever. No executive experience whatsoever. He never ran a damn thing in his life so, please explain yourself.

 

[Wicked Jester]

it still pointed out hypocrisy
doesn't matter if you admit it or not

There is no hypocrisy. I was asked pretty much why we should have Obama in the White House still. I pointed out that as much as I do not like Obama, he is still better than McCain or Palin would of been. That's not showing support for Obama or saying I would of voted for him if given the opportunity, it's stating a fact.

Or do you think President Palin would be doing a better job than President Obama at this point in the game?

So, back up the "fact" that you stated. Why do you feel that Obama would be better than McCain?.......What did Obama do in his life that would make him better than McCain, or Palin for that matter?

 

[Wicked Jester]

So you don't think people should vote for Obama OR the republican candidate next time?

Why should we? They haven't given us any reasons to, have they? They seem more worried on staying in power than helping Americans.

That is kind of how I feel, but I would rather have Obama than a republican.
The Tea Party really needs to look at who they are standing up for, and maybe realize they could get more followers if they actually stood up to the people who are actually destroying this country.

Uh, excuse me but, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING!....That's why the movement is growing....That's why we are seeing so many independents joining in the movement.

Unfuckin'believable!

 

[elvis]

So, fox went after....
Rev Wright
Acorn
Van Jones
Ms. Sherrod
NAACP
Next, I am calling Maxine Waters.

Imaginary? Need links to tea bagger signs?

What you and rdean do to each other is your business.

Excellent, thoughtful, insightful retort. You can tell you are a person who never runs from a fight. A person who takes on problems one by one and addresses them with brilliant knowledge and experience.

Its been so fun having these verbal battles with you. Finally a man worthy of my time.

yawn.

 

[elvis]

1) So your vote for obama is not a vote for obama but a vote against mccain or palin?

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I didn't vote so my vote wasn't for or against anything. If I could of voted knowing what I know now, I would of voted for a third party or wrote in Mickey Mouse or something along the lines of that.

However, compared to who could of been in office, Obama was the best candidate.

How so?

Please explain how Obama was the better candidiate. Is it because he was the better speaker?.....Because he sure didn't have the experience of McCain. He had no experience whatsoever. No executive experience whatsoever. He never ran a damn thing in his life so, please explain yourself.

The greatest orator ever was a certain failed artist from Austria.

 

[Wicked Jester]

This thread title has the words Imaginary racism in it. Within the thread is Imaginary points that people like Moon made up to try and respond to.

People need to make the distinction and stop assuming and in doing so jumping to conclusions. Yes, I called Obama the lesser evil of the two candidates between him and McCain. Yes, I called Obama the lesser evil of the two candidates between him and Palin. However, that doesn't mean I advocated for one to vote for Obama in the election.

I'm merely saying my opinion about them in a comparison between only those two people.

I have made it clear that I believe one should vote third party in 2012 and that one should of voted third party in 2008. Not once did I say vote for Obama because he was the lesser evil of the two.

It is the same philosophy I have shown throughout this thread.

Dive got mad at me because I had pointed out that he was not forced to vote for Bush twice, but rather he could of voted for third party candidates. Dive seems to think that if you don't vote for one of the two mainstream candidates, your vote is essentially wasted. I'm not saying that's a fact, I'm saying that's my conclusion from his posts for earlier. He's entitled to his opinion, however like I said earlier, I think he's wrong.

I'm done trying to explain what should be obvious and clear in this thread. No matter what I say, Boe or Dive or Moon will not change their minds. At this point, they're just going to say NO U no matter how much I explain it.

I'm done with this thread, have fun in the partisan circle jerk Bush voters.

TRANSLATION:

"I just had my ass handed to me so, C-YA!....i'm outta here!"lol:

 

[syrenn]

No. Moon is trying to say I'm a hypocrite because I supposedly wanted Obama in office because I thought he was the lesser evil of the two.

I told you earlier that just because someone is the lesser evil of the two, doesn't mean you should vote for them just because you're looking at those two candidates. I told you earlier if it came down to it, you should vote for Mickey Mouse over the two candidates.

It's the same philosophy I've had throughout this entire thread.

You're making the assumption that because I think Obama is a lesser evil than McCain, that I'm going to vote for Obama. But given the information I know today, I would not.

That has always been my position as I said in my original posts to Syrenn.

There is a difference between believing one candidate is a lesser of the two evils and voting for that candidate.

Do you see the distinction?

Well damn Modbert didn't this all blow up since i left for dinner!

Alright boys and girls.... the point is everyone is entitled to an opinion. There is no right or wrong...there is only opinion. For the most part i think that modbert and i will see things black and white and on opposite sides of the fence of many things, but in this we see pretty much eye to eye, but from different preservatives.

Your hand is forced not to vote FOR a candidate but AGAINST the alternative.

First off modbert (and forgive me if i am putting words in you mouth here) is saying hindsight is 20/20 and you cannot see a future that did not happen.

I understand what he was saying to ME in response to MY questions put directly to him. Misquoting by using half quotes sucks, and since i am all part of this in terms of the half quotes and answers...i guess i get to help modbert out of this one.

Let me tell you what I get out of all of this.

Modbert and i talked specifically about 3 people, two choices. obama mccain/palin, with NO third party canidate option. Which of the two choices is the lesser of the evils, who of the two choices would be BEST of them. Modbert thinks/feels obama was/is the better of the choices given at the time of the "08 election. Fine that was/is HIS opinion. I had/have a different opinion.

At this point in time given obamas actions/policies hindsight clarifies his position. At this point he would consider a 3rd party/write in candidate as he doesn't feel ANY of the possible candidates as of now are great. But given the choices of obama and palin he would still vote obama, knowing his faults, as his choice of "who he thinks/feel would be better for the country." Again, that is Modberts opinion, of which he is entitled. I have a different opinion.

An obama vote is not a FOR obama...but against palin. My vote would cancel his out in this scenario. Though we may both vote Mickey Mouse as a write in.

And Mickey Mouse would have just as much a chance of winning as alvin greene did. No one likes who is up so you vote for the least offensive. Imagine what would happen if MM won!

 

[bodecea]

I didn't vote so my vote wasn't for or against anything. If I could of voted knowing what I know now, I would of voted for a third party or wrote in Mickey Mouse or something along the lines of that.

However, compared to who could of been in office, Obama was the best candidate.

How so?

Please explain how Obama was the better candidiate. Is it because he was the better speaker?.....Because he sure didn't have the experience of McCain. He had no experience whatsoever. No executive experience whatsoever. He never ran a damn thing in his life so, please explain yourself.

The greatest orator ever was a certain failed artist from Austria.

Godwin is in the House.

 

[elvis]

How so?

Please explain how Obama was the better candidiate. Is it because he was the better speaker?.....Because he sure didn't have the experience of McCain. He had no experience whatsoever. No executive experience whatsoever. He never ran a damn thing in his life so, please explain yourself.

The greatest orator ever was a certain failed artist from Austria.

Godwin is in the House.

yes, I wonder if it took all 16 pages to get him in here.

 

[Zona]

What you and rdean do to each other is your business.

Finally a man worthy of my time.

This is beautiful. rdean and Zona find Twoo Wuv!

Its all about me and Elvis, not Rdean. Read the post please. I am out of the Navy now, so dont ask, dont tell does not apply, you bitch. Y.M.C.A, its fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.

 

[code1211]

See I would believe you guys were not racist, if you didn't think he was born in Kenya, you didn't have signs with him as a witch doctor or other racial terms on them. I also could believe it a little more if you guys didn't start bitching the day he took office, and if you didn't call him a socialist.
I think when you guys call him a socialist, I think that is when I know the reason you don't like him is not because of his politics. The man is so far from being a socialist, which makes it quite hilarious when you guys throw that word around. Another favorite is when someone calls him a communist, and in the next sentence calls him Hitler, then calls accuses him of catering to Unions. You guys either need to own your racism, or learn what a socialist is.

The Big 0 "Bailed Out" GM to avoid having go into bankruptcy. If it had gone through bankruptcy without the benefit of the bail out, it would have dissolved the right of the union to represent employees in the redefined entity after the bankruptcy was complete.

Due to the terms of the bail out, the UAW was saved. GM would have been saved with or without the bailout through bankruptcy. This favored the Unions.

Wealth redistribution is the basic tenet of all forms of Socialism or Communism. He has said that he wants to do this. How is this not Socialism or Communism? The Big 0 sees either of these as good things. If you back the Big 0, and think that there is something wrong with either or both of Communism and Socialism, you are suffering a logic disconnect.

I don't happen to care if the Big 0 is a white or black or purple. I do care if he spends money like a pimp with 3 days to live and says he is trying to do something, like keep the unemployment rate under 8%, then fails miserably and then tells me it's my fault that he failed when he was given everything he asked for, was given absolute freedom to do what he wanted and absolute autonomy in executing his plan.

His plan. Unlimited resources. No interference. Abject failure.

You don't need racism to dismiss this guy's administration as a failure. You only need the ability to listen and learn.

 

[ConHog]

See I would believe you guys were not racist, if you didn't think he was born in Kenya, you didn't have signs with him as a witch doctor or other racial terms on them. I also could believe it a little more if you guys didn't start bitching the day he took office, and if you didn't call him a socialist.
I think when you guys call him a socialist, I think that is when I know the reason you don't like him is not because of his politics. The man is so far from being a socialist, which makes it quite hilarious when you guys throw that word around. Another favorite is when someone calls him a communist, and in the next sentence calls him Hitler, then calls accuses him of catering to Unions. You guys either need to own your racism, or learn what a socialist is.

The Big 0 "Bailed Out" GM to avoid having go into bankruptcy. If it had gone through bankruptcy without the benefit of the bail out, it would have dissolved the right of the union to represent employees in the redefined entity after the bankruptcy was complete.

Due to the terms of the bail out, the UAW was saved. GM would have been saved with or without the bailout through bankruptcy. This favored the Unions.

Wealth redistribution is the basic tenet of all forms of Socialism or Communism. He has said that he wants to do this. How is this not Socialism or Communism? The Big 0 sees either of these as good things. If you back the Big 0, and think that there is something wrong with either or both of Communism and Socialism, you are suffering a logic disconnect.

I don't happen to care if the Big 0 is a white or black or purple. I do care if he spends money like a pimp with 3 days to live and says he is trying to do something, like keep the unemployment rate under 8%, then fails miserably and then tells me it's my fault that he failed when he was given everything he asked for, was given absolute freedom to do what he wanted and absolute autonomy in executing his plan.

His plan. Unlimited resources. No interference. Abject failure.

You don't need racism to dismiss this guy's administration as a failure. You only need the ability to listen and learn.

To be fair, Bush was responsible for the GM bailout, and it HAD to be done. An entire US industry would have disappeared had GM been forced to shut its doors.