daveman
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And we were right, weren't we?
Obamacare decision: An intended consequence not considered by the left
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And we were right, weren't we?
So n o other country has controlled spiraling health care costs? OMG!
Have other countries slowed the spiral more than the USA has?
LOTS. What do they have that we don't have?
come on...you know...say it....say it....
Analysis | Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS
Five Capitalist Democracies & How They Do It | Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS
Dante, you must like to see yourself post. Padding your count?
Go check out the EU and their ever rising VAT taxes, high fees and fuel taxes. Yet, they are still nearing BK....and yes, their healthcare is a major part of the problem.
Now run along to your sand box sonny.
DontBeStupid
Look it up!
We're talking about the government...not yours or my household.
Are you honestly suggesting that if the government collects more in taxes it will then create more deficits?
Wow ... uhm ... wow.
You must of glossed over the "more spending" portion of my quote.
Wow....uhm... wow. Not surprising though.
Maybe.
So your position is more taxes leads to more spending leads to more deficits ... always.
Right?
With our government? You're joking right? Tell me you were just pulling my chain.
WillowTree
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we didn't get a 16 trillion dollar debt by taking in more than we spend genius.
Charles_Main
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I find it Funny libs keep bringing up how happy Countries in Europe are. How well they are Doing. Just because a few of them are doing good, does not change the Fact that the Model In general is leading to Serious Debt Problems across Europe. Most of the One they site as great Examples of how Socialism works all have a few things in Common. Very Small Populations, Rich in Resources, and a Healthy Age Demographic make up of their Populations to Support the System. But the Demographic in almost every case is slowly getting worse as Births and Immigration fail to keep up with people getting old.
Eventually they will all face the same problems seen across Europe if they continue with out any Reform, Which they are of course doing as we speak, Because they are not blind to these facts like American Liberals seem to be.
Eventually they will all face the same problems seen across Europe if they continue with out any Reform, Which they are of course doing as we speak, Because they are not blind to these facts like American Liberals seem to be.
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Charles_Main
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Absolutely.
Not to Mention that when they Calculated the Cost of this Bill they as usual used very Favorable Assumptions about things like Economic Growth, Cost of Care, Etc. Just like with MC and Bushes Plan B bs, the Actually cost is going to end up Many times the Amount sold to us.
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Dante
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not saying other countries are doing so good, just better than we are:
Its a few years old, but it's 5 Capitalist Democracies:
Five Capitalist Democracies & How They Do It | Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS
doing nothing may be a conservative value, but it's not an American one.
Dante
I have always been here
We're talking about the government...not yours or my household.
So n o other country has controlled spiraling health care costs? OMG!
Have other countries slowed the spiral more than the USA has?
LOTS. What do they have that we don't have?
come on...you know...say it....say it....
Analysis | Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS
Five Capitalist Democracies & How They Do It | Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS
Dante, you must like to see yourself post. Padding your count?
Go check out the EU and their ever rising VAT taxes, high fees and fuel taxes. Yet, they are still nearing BK....and yes, their healthcare is a major part of the problem.
Now run along to your sand box sonny.
5 Capitalist Democracies:
United Kingdom | Japan | Germany | Switzerland | Taiwan
yeah, they are all European Countries facing bankruptcy. You commented on what your imagination tells you I posted. Not the reality.
sucks to be you sans Dante's sandbox
Five Capitalist Democracies & How They Do It | Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS
not saying other countries are doing so good, just better than we are:
Its a few years old, but it's 5 Capitalist Democracies:
Five Capitalist Democracies & How They Do It | Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS
doing nothing may be a conservative value, but it's not an American one.
So your answer is that we bleed like the rest of those nations. Got it, Dante.
Now do your home work on how much those countries taxes are, and they are still bleeding.
Charles_Main
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not saying other countries are doing so good, just better than we are:
Its a few years old, but it's 5 Capitalist Democracies:
Five Capitalist Democracies & How They Do It | Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS
doing nothing may be a conservative value, but it's not an American one.
Doing Nothing is not a Conservative rule, Doing the sensible thing is.
Not that I am saying any of our Politicians are actually Conservative.
Dante
I have always been here
not saying other countries are doing so good, just better than we are:
Its a few years old, but it's 5 Capitalist Democracies:
Five Capitalist Democracies & How They Do It | Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS
doing nothing may be a conservative value, but it's not an American one.
So your answer is that we bleed like the rest of those nations. Got it, Dante.
Now do your home work on how much those countries taxes are, and they are still bleeding.
If you stepped away from your keyboard, FOX, and Rush, you'd have watched the program or read the text...the program was about doing something vs doing nothing.
The whole point of looking at 5 Capitalist Democracies is NOT to copy them, but to learn from them...what worked and what didn't and maybe find out why and how we could attempt to do something.
You haven't a clue. You say Dante proposed copying others when he did not, except Dante favors getting rid of for profit health insurance.
clear on the concept yet?
:doing nothing may be a conservative value, but it is surely not an American one
Dante
I have always been here
not saying other countries are doing so good, just better than we are:
Its a few years old, but it's 5 Capitalist Democracies:
Five Capitalist Democracies & How They Do It | Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS
doing nothing may be a conservative value, but it's not an American one.
Doing Nothing is not a Conservative rule, Doing the sensible thing is.
Not that I am saying any of our Politicians are actually Conservative.
Being a liberal, I fail to see how you went from a value to a rule. Can you explain?
Charles_Main
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not saying other countries are doing so good, just better than we are:
Its a few years old, but it's 5 Capitalist Democracies:
Five Capitalist Democracies & How They Do It | Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS
doing nothing may be a conservative value, but it's not an American one.
Doing Nothing is not a Conservative rule, Doing the sensible thing is.
Not that I am saying any of our Politicians are actually Conservative.
Being a liberal, I fail to see how you went from a value to a rule. Can you explain?
Value/rule What ever I was using the Word loosely. My Point is Real Conservatism is not about Doing Nothing, it's about doing the Right sensible thing. It's not that I don't want to do anything about Health Care, I just don't want to do the wrong thing.
I have said many Times I think a Single Payer Program, While not at all what I want, would be a massive Improvement on this Program. You may not admit it, But I know you are smart enough to know deep down that this Bill fails utterly in almost every way. It will not Cover Everyone, It will not Lower the Cost of Care, or the Cost of Insurance, and it Will Cost many times what we think it will. Lets take the good parts of this bill, Repeal the Rest and do something that will actually help.
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Dante
I have always been here
Well if we were to judge conservatives by their actions and not their words...
Every time conservatives have power, they do nothing to fix healthcare.
Wait! they did do something, with help from a few things :: The bill was introduced in the House of Representatives early on June 25, 2003 as H.R. 1, sponsored by Speaker Dennis Hastert.
Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
a few Dems helped. and the insurance and drug companies got a windfall. that is conservative legislation in action.
KissMy
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We are in way worse shape than socialist Europe!
America's debt is greater than the combined debt of the entire Eurozone and the U.K.. As the chart shows, America's debt is currently $15.1 trillion, while the Eurozone (which includes France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Spain, the U.K., and others) has a combined debt of $12.7 trillion. (All dollar amounts are in U.S. dollars, and the data refers to closing 2011 numbers.)
The Eurozone is larger than the United States, so America's debt per capita also exceeds the Eurozone's. According to the Census Bureau, the U.S. has a population of 313 million, whereas the Eurozone has a population in excess of 331 million.
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney frequently warns that the United States should not become like Greece. "We need to rein in government and unleash the extraordinary vitality and creativity of the American people," Romney wrote in a December op-ed. "We must not wait to suffer a crisis like Greece's or Portugal's to right the ship of state."
But with charts like this, that formulation might already be out of date, considering the enormity of America's debt burden.
List of World’s Largest Creditor and Debtor Nations
Since 2006 The International Monetary Fund’s Balance of Payment statistics have been uploaded into a neat online database accessible through its website. Among country balance of payments figures, the database also features the “Net International Investment Position” of a country, which is defined as the difference between foreign assets that domestic residents own and domestic assets held by foreign entities. Here are the most recent (2010) rankings. Note that the 2011 rankings are still in the process of being calculated.
2010 Country NIIP (Net International Investment Position) statistics by the IMF. NIIP is defined by a country’s total domestically owned assets minus its foreign owned assets. All figures have been adjusted to nominal US dollars.
It is no surprise that the most indebted country, the United States, takes the bottom of the list. Its NIIP means the value of its domestically owned assets is less than its liabilities to foreign investors. We see Spain, Greece, Italy, and Portugal on the list of negative NIIPers as well. Japan, China, and Germany are effectively the countries with the largest NIIP. Countries with a positive NIIP are considered to be creditor nations, while those with a negative NIIP are debtor nations. For everyday investors, the NIIP of a country promises to be a leading indicator of a country’s overall fiscal responsibility. Diversifying holdings in both creditor and debtor nations could help spread a portfolio’s risk over time.
Note that Germany and Switzerland have been acting as the main Eurozone creditors by maintaining a large and positive NIIP. Investors should keep the NIIP figures in mind when measuring the creditworthiness of a country and its businesses. Ultimately, the terms of trade will be determined by those nations that are willing to lend out their capital. Debtor nations will be the ones stuck with the credit card bill.
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Back to the OP: fail.
60 votes will be required to bring legislation up to repeal the ACA in the Senate.
60 votes will be required to bring legislation up to repeal the ACA in the Senate.
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