Obama tries to stop Texas execution

[Momanohedhunter]

"WASHINGTON — The Obama administration took the unusual step Friday of asking the Supreme Court to stop Texas from executing a Mexican citizen convicted of raping and killing a 16-year-old girl.

The administration said the court should delay the planned July 7 execution of Humberto Leal for up to six months to give Congress time to consider legislation that would directly affect Leal's case.

The 38-year-old native of Monterrey wasn't told he could contact the Mexican Consulate after his arrest in the murder of Adria Sauceda. His lawyers say police violated an international treaty by not telling Leal he could have consular assistance.

Legislation pending in the Senate would allow federal courts to review cases of condemned foreign nationals to determine if the lack of consular help made a significant difference in the outcome of their cases. Last week, a federal judge refused to delay the execution.

The Supreme Court has previously ruled that states can't be forced to comply with the provisions of treaties without some intervening federal legislation."


Read more: Obama administration calls for halt to Texas execution | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle


I am not sure the Feds can stop it. A Federal court cannot stay a State court. Looks like another trip and fall for the Obama administration and a chance for Perry to give Obama the finger.

So this isn't a question of innocence , its politics ala the Vienna treaty? hummmmm

Therefore its about the rights Americans will have when they are in another country. No big thing to CON$ who hate Americans and love executions.

And what rights do Americans have in other country's ?

 

[edthecynic]

Wonder if any one actually has a clue when they are talking about the faulty forensics of Texas. That was in Harris County.

He had his appeals. And none of them found evidence of faulty forensics or miscue of Justice. The Federal Government will have to actually provide evidence he was denied due process. And that never happened in all the appeals. Been 17 years.

If the Court takes it, they will probably find no material consequences to his not contacting the Consulate.

His appeal was denied.

Furthermore the DNA evidence from one minute drop of blood found on his underwear was not retested. Mind you that none of her blood was found on his shirt, pants, boots or socks he had on, nor in his car. He was not at the party while the girl was being raped by the white Texans, none of whom were even investigated or questioned, but he showed up after the rape and was furious at the party goers for allowing the gang rape to happen!

Even the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals that denied his appeal wrote in 2009, “[W]ith the science available at the time of trial in 1994, no one could credibly say that an unknown blood sample came from a given individual.”

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Wonder if any one actually has a clue when they are talking about the faulty forensics of Texas. That was in Harris County.

He had his appeals. And none of them found evidence of faulty forensics or miscue of Justice. The Federal Government will have to actually provide evidence he was denied due process. And that never happened in all the appeals. Been 17 years.

If the Court takes it, they will probably find no material consequences to his not contacting the Consulate.

His appeal was denied.

Furthermore the DNA evidence from one minute drop of blood found on his underwear was not retested. Mind you that none of her blood was found on his shirt, pants, boots or socks he had on, nor in his car. He was not at the party while the girl was being raped by the white Texans, none of whom were even investigated or questioned, but he showed up after the rape and was furious at the party goers for allowing the gang rape to happen!

Even the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals that denied his appeal wrote in 2009, “[W]ith the science available at the time of trial in 1994, no one could credibly say that an unknown blood sample came from a given individual.”

And the other details of the case that convicted him ?

 

[edthecynic]

So this isn't a question of innocence , its politics ala the Vienna treaty? hummmmm

Therefore its about the rights Americans will have when they are in another country. No big thing to CON$ who hate Americans and love executions.

And what rights do Americans have in other country's ?

The rights guaranteed under the Vienna Convention.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Therefore its about the rights Americans will have when they are in another country. No big thing to CON$ who hate Americans and love executions.

And what rights do Americans have in other country's ?

The rights guaranteed under the Geneva Convention.

Ok. It is obvious you have not ever left this country. As an American, you nave no rights in any other country other then what you are given in accordance to that country's laws. Did you know that in Mexico your family has to provide your food if you are in prison. If no one brings food, then you must rely on the charity of your fellow inmates for food. Some country's can beat a confession out of you or imprison you for no reason. I point to the hikers in Iran. Think there rights are being looked after ?

 

[edthecynic]

The philosopher Ron White said:

I’m from Texas. In Texas we have the death penalty. And we USE it.

That’s right, if you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back. That’s our policy.

They’re trying to pass a bill right now through the Texas Legislature that will speed up the process of execution in heinous crimes where there’s more than three credible eye witnesses. If more than three people saw you do what you did, you don’t sit on death row for 15 years, Jack, you go straight to the front of the line.

Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty … my state’s puttin’ in an express lane.

Message to take from this:

If you plan on raping and killing 16 year old girls, don't do it in Texas.

Try California instead...

Unless you ARE a white Texan, then some mentally retarded Mexican will get the death penalty in your place.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Congress can always pass the law and posthumously name it the Humberto Lela Mexican Rapist and Murderer Memorial Law

 

[Momanohedhunter]

The philosopher Ron White said:

I’m from Texas. In Texas we have the death penalty. And we USE it.

That’s right, if you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back. That’s our policy.

They’re trying to pass a bill right now through the Texas Legislature that will speed up the process of execution in heinous crimes where there’s more than three credible eye witnesses. If more than three people saw you do what you did, you don’t sit on death row for 15 years, Jack, you go straight to the front of the line.

Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty … my state’s puttin’ in an express lane.

Message to take from this:

If you plan on raping and killing 16 year old girls, don't do it in Texas.

Try California instead...

Unless you ARE a white Texan, then some mentally retarded Mexican will get the death penalty in your place.

I thought so.

 

[edthecynic]

And what rights do Americans have in other country's ?

The rights guaranteed under the Geneva Convention.

Ok. It is obvious you have not ever left this country. As an American, you nave no rights in any other country other then what you are given in accordance to that country's laws. Did you know that in Mexico your family has to provide your food if you are in prison. If no one brings food, then you must rely on the charity of your fellow inmates for food. Some country's can beat a confession out of you or imprison you for no reason. I point to the hikers in Iran. Think there rights are being looked after ?

That's what happens when the US no longer honors the Vienna Convention, this was not the first, no other country will honor it either.

 

[WillowTree]

Therefore its about the rights Americans will have when they are in another country. No big thing to CON$ who hate Americans and love executions.

And what rights do Americans have in other country's ?

The rights guaranteed under the Geneva Convention.

that's a fucking laugh. I can't remember a single time Americans were afforded rights under the Geneva Convention. Ask John McCain. You are a bigger idiot than I previously thought.

 

[edthecynic]

Congress can always pass the law and posthumously name it the Humberto Lela Mexican Rapist and Murderer Memorial Law

Again, it doesn't matter to hate filled CON$ that Leal did not arrive at the "party" until AFTER the gang rape, he's a Mexican therefore he raped her.

 

[edthecynic]

And what rights do Americans have in other country's ?

The rights guaranteed under the Geneva Convention.

that's a fucking laugh. I can't remember a single time Americans were afforded rights under the Geneva Convention. Ask John McCain. You are a bigger idiot than I previously thought.

As I've said so many times, Two wrongs makes The Right!

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Congress can always pass the law and posthumously name it the Humberto Lela Mexican Rapist and Murderer Memorial Law

Again, it doesn't matter to hate filled CON$ that Leal did not arrive at the "party" until AFTER the gang rape, he's a Mexican therefore he raped her.

You are indeed an ignorant one. that's not an insult, just a fact. The Geneva convention does not cover Americans traveling abroad. You are a hate filled liberal, and it must be bad if you would take the side of a rapist of any race or nationality.

 

[Anachronism]

This SOB should never have gotten a trial. He's not an American citizen. The rights of American citizens to counsel, trial, etc.... DO NOT APPLY TO HIM. They should have executed his ass 30 seconds after they caught him.

 

[edthecynic]

Congress can always pass the law and posthumously name it the Humberto Lela Mexican Rapist and Murderer Memorial Law

Again, it doesn't matter to hate filled CON$ that Leal did not arrive at the "party" until AFTER the gang rape, he's a Mexican therefore he raped her.

You are indeed an ignorant one. that's not an insult, just a fact. The Geneva convention does not cover Americans traveling abroad. You are a hate filled liberal, and it must be bad if you would take the side of a rapist of any race or nationality.

I meant the Vienna Convention.

Again, according to all the witnesses, Leal arrived at the party AFTER the gang rape. You are obviously a hate filled CON$ervative who defends white rapists and blames their rape on foreigners that you hate no matter how much evidence exists that foreigners you hate didn't do the raping.
Sucks to be you.

 

[logical4u]

and NO ONE (at least i am not)* is saying the man should be set free and / or should not pay for his crime....just that the law was not followed regarding a treaty we signed and was ratified....?

If it is a treaty, doesn't that apply to "legal" citizens, not those that are in another country "illegally" (we could just punish him like the Central or South American countries do for illegal entry and save ourselves the cost of a trial?

 

[logical4u]

"WASHINGTON — The Obama administration took the unusual step Friday of asking the Supreme Court to stop Texas from executing a Mexican citizen convicted of raping and killing a 16-year-old girl.

The administration said the court should delay the planned July 7 execution of Humberto Leal for up to six months to give Congress time to consider legislation that would directly affect Leal's case.

The 38-year-old native of Monterrey wasn't told he could contact the Mexican Consulate after his arrest in the murder of Adria Sauceda. His lawyers say police violated an international treaty by not telling Leal he could have consular assistance.

Legislation pending in the Senate would allow federal courts to review cases of condemned foreign nationals to determine if the lack of consular help made a significant difference in the outcome of their cases. Last week, a federal judge refused to delay the execution.

The Supreme Court has previously ruled that states can't be forced to comply with the provisions of treaties without some intervening federal legislation."


Read more: Obama administration calls for halt to Texas execution | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle


I am not sure the Feds can stop it. A Federal court cannot stay a State court. Looks like another trip and fall for the Obama administration and a chance for Perry to give Obama the finger.

From the way it reads Obama did not want to prevent the man's execution, the administration merely wanted it to wait on laws. How are things going to 'change' within the system if 'we' do not accommodate the ways through which the system works?

Seriously. Dysfunctionalism's best is right before our eyes, it seems. Perhaps the Federal Judge should give Perry the same time the Anthony's case judge gave the juvenile for 'flipping the bird' to prosecution.

I want to "wait" to pay taxes, because at some point in the future, I might not have to pay them.

 

[logical4u]

The Supreme Court has previously ruled that states can't be forced to comply with the provisions of treaties without some intervening federal legislation."

WHAT?!?!

If they did that, the SCOTUS has lost its collective mind.

Treaties are the law of the LAND.

The states do not get to parce out what parts of a treaty they like.

And not only that, I heard that the 16 year old was asking for it.

Have you been talking to sunniman?

 

[bodecea]

And what rights do Americans have in other country's ?

The rights guaranteed under the Geneva Convention.

Ok. It is obvious you have not ever left this country. As an American, you nave no rights in any other country other then what you are given in accordance to that country's laws. Did you know that in Mexico your family has to provide your food if you are in prison. If no one brings food, then you must rely on the charity of your fellow inmates for food. Some country's can beat a confession out of you or imprison you for no reason. I point to the hikers in Iran. Think there rights are being looked after ?

Isn't it fun comparing us to other countries with envy?

 

[bodecea]

This SOB should never have gotten a trial. He's not an American citizen. The rights of American citizens to counsel, trial, etc.... DO NOT APPLY TO HIM. They should have executed his ass 30 seconds after they caught him.

Sure....we can emulate other countries and the old lynch mobs....bravo.
Oh...we ARE talking Texas here....carry on.