Obama proclaims Irene a "historic" hurricane

[RetiredGySgt]

The Federal Government ask Nagin to evacuate New Orleans. He and the Governor refused. In fact the day before the Hurricane Nagin was still refusing to evacuate.

That's not even true. Mayor Nagin ordered a mandatory evacuation a 9 am the morning after the federal government declared a state of emergency. You're so ignorant of basic facts - and appear to be willing to just make shit up when you don't know - is it worth even debating you over it?

Link.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

The Federal Government ask Nagin to evacuate New Orleans. He and the Governor refused. In fact the day before the Hurricane Nagin was still refusing to evacuate.

That's not even true. Mayor Nagin ordered a mandatory evacuation a 9 am the morning after the federal government declared a state of emergency. You're so ignorant of basic facts - and appear to be willing to just make shit up when you don't know - is it worth even debating you over it?

Link.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Mayor+Nagin+orders+mandatory+evacuation+Katrina&l=1

Seriously dude. You're ******* clueless.

 

[MeBelle]

When's the last time a hurricane hit NC?

OK, what is NOT historic about Hurricane Irene. Please explain.

Everything. What IS historic about it? Here is NOAA's historical list of hurricanes and as you can see the area has been hit many times before and by more powerful storms. The only thing historic so far is the amount of misinformation being generated by the collective media.


Year Month States Affected Highest Saffir- Central Max. Name
and Category by Simpson U.S. Pressure Winds
States Category

<snip>
1989 Sep SC, 4; I-NC 1 4 934 120 Hugo
1989 Oct TX, N1 1 983 75 Jerry

1991 Aug RI, 2; MA, 2; NY, 2; CT, 2 2 962 90 Bob
1992 Aug FL, SE5, SW4; LA, 3 5 922 145 Andrew
1993 Aug * NC, 3 3 960 100 Emily
1995 Aug FL, NW2, SE1 2 973 85 Erin
1995 Oct FL, NW3, I-AL 1 3 942 100 Opal
1996 Jul NC, 2 2 974 90 Bertha
1996 Sep NC, 3 3 954 100 Fran
1997 Jul LA, 1; AL, 1 1 984 70 Danny
1998 Aug NC, 2 2 964 95 Bonnie
1998 Sep FL, NW1 1 987 70 Earl
1998 Sep FL, SW2; MS, 2 2 964 90 Georges
1999 Aug TX, S3 3 951 100 Bret
1999 Sep NC, 2 2 956 90 Floyd
1999 Oct FL, SW1 1 987 70 Irene

2002 Oct LA, 1 1 963 80 Lili
2003 Jul TX, C1 1 979 80 Claudette
2003 Sep NC, 2; VA, 1 2 957 90 Isabel
2004 Aug * NC, 1 1 972 70 Alex
2004 Aug FL, SW4, SE1, NE1; SC,1; NC,1 4 941 130 Charley
2004 Aug SC, 1 1 985 65 Gaston
2004 Sep FL, SE2, SW1 2 960 90 Frances
2004 Sep AL, 3; FL, NW3 3 946 105 Ivan
2004 Sep FL, SE3, SW1, NW1 3 950 105 Jeanne
2005 Jul LA, 1 1 991 65 Cindy
2005 Jul FL, NW3; I-AL 1 3 946 105 Dennis
2005 Aug FL, SE1, SW1; LA, 3; MS, 3; 3 920 110 Katrina
AL, 1
2005 Sep * NC, 1 1 982 65 Ophelia
2005 Sep FL, SW1; LA, 3; TX, N2 3 937 100 Rita
2005 Oct FL, SW3; FL, SE2 3 950 105 Wilma
2007 Sep TX, N1; LA, 1 1 985 80 Humberto
2008 Jul TX, S1 1 967 75 Dolly
2008 Sep LA, 2 2 954 90 Gustav
2008 Sep TX, N2; La, 1 2 950 95 Ike



http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/ushurrlist18512009.txt

 

[FactFinder]

Obama proclaims Irene a "historic" hurricane

Last I seen it is already a Cat 2 and weakening. Don't put the cart before the horse. I was in New England for the last one about 19 years ago. This one don't look that different.

 

[BDBoop]

Obama proclaims Irene a "historic" hurricane

Last I seen it is already a Cat 2 and weakening. Don't put the cart before the horse. I was in New England for the last one about 19 years ago. This one don't look that different.

It don't?

Maybe they'll get off lightly. Here's hoping. The last thing this country needs is for one coast to be annihilated. It's already downgraded to a one.

I'm landlocked, never been in a hurricane. But I know they can switch back up after they've been switched down. I have read it in books.

/nod

 

[Provocateur]

Obama proclaims Irene a "historic" hurricane

Last I seen it is already a Cat 2 and weakening. Don't put the cart before the horse. I was in New England for the last one about 19 years ago. This one don't look that different.

It don't?

Maybe they'll get off lightly. Here's hoping. The last thing this country needs is for one coast to be annihilated. It's already downgraded to a one.

I'm landlocked, never been in a hurricane. But I know they can switch back up after they've been switched down. I have read it in books.

/nod

Praise Obama! He did it!

 

[daveman]

https://www.gplus.com/Hurricanes/Insight/The-storm-cannot-master-its-own-strength

Dr. Simon Atkins
CEO, Advanced Forecasting Corporation [AFC]
August 26, 2011
The hype over Hurricane Irene is overblown, predicts the CEO of Advanced Forecasting Corporation.

"North of Delaware, most hurricane force winds will very likely be gusts, not sustained winds."

o The demise of Irene has already begun. There is no visible eye. The storm intensity is down to 99 mph. This would be a low-end category 2 or a strong category 1 storm, while 36 hours ago some predicted a catastrophic category 4 storm. Air Force Reserve aircraft have found that Irene's eyewall has collapsed, and the central pressure has risen -- rising pressure means a weakening storm.

o The reduction in storm intensity likely confirms that this storm is not going to be as monstrous as it has been publicly forecast to be.

o Yes, it will be windy. However, north of Delaware most hurricane force winds will very likely be gusts, not sustained winds.​

 

[Provocateur]

https://www.gplus.com/Hurricanes/Insight/The-storm-cannot-master-its-own-strength

Dr. Simon Atkins
CEO, Advanced Forecasting Corporation [AFC]
August 26, 2011
The hype over Hurricane Irene is overblown, predicts the CEO of Advanced Forecasting Corporation.

"North of Delaware, most hurricane force winds will very likely be gusts, not sustained winds."

o The demise of Irene has already begun. There is no visible eye. The storm intensity is down to 99 mph. This would be a low-end category 2 or a strong category 1 storm, while 36 hours ago some predicted a catastrophic category 4 storm. Air Force Reserve aircraft have found that Irene's eyewall has collapsed, and the central pressure has risen -- rising pressure means a weakening storm.

o The reduction in storm intensity likely confirms that this storm is not going to be as monstrous as it has been publicly forecast to be.

o Yes, it will be windy. However, north of Delaware most hurricane force winds will very likely be gusts, not sustained winds.​

Obama saved us from this historic hurricane, Dave.


He's a miracle worker!

 

[bodecea]

https://www.gplus.com/Hurricanes/Insight/The-storm-cannot-master-its-own-strength

Dr. Simon Atkins
CEO, Advanced Forecasting Corporation [AFC]
August 26, 2011
The hype over Hurricane Irene is overblown, predicts the CEO of Advanced Forecasting Corporation.

"North of Delaware, most hurricane force winds will very likely be gusts, not sustained winds."

o The demise of Irene has already begun. There is no visible eye. The storm intensity is down to 99 mph. This would be a low-end category 2 or a strong category 1 storm, while 36 hours ago some predicted a catastrophic category 4 storm. Air Force Reserve aircraft have found that Irene's eyewall has collapsed, and the central pressure has risen -- rising pressure means a weakening storm.

o The reduction in storm intensity likely confirms that this storm is not going to be as monstrous as it has been publicly forecast to be.

o Yes, it will be windy. However, north of Delaware most hurricane force winds will very likely be gusts, not sustained winds.​

Obama saved us from this historic hurricane, Dave.


He's a miracle worker!

Obama had nothing to do with it...and all sane people know that.

 

[dblack]

Don't you usually wait until after a disaster to make judgements about it?

Not if you're trying to convince people to take precautions.Some of the things you guys come up with to needle Obama about are just pathetic.

 

[Provocateur]

Don't you usually wait until after a disaster to make judgements about it?

Not if you're trying to convince people to take precautions.Some of the things you guys come up with to needle Obama about are just pathetic.

Something should probably happen, prior to it being "historic", no?

 

[daveman]

https://www.gplus.com/Hurricanes/Insight/The-storm-cannot-master-its-own-strength

Dr. Simon Atkins
CEO, Advanced Forecasting Corporation [AFC]
August 26, 2011
The hype over Hurricane Irene is overblown, predicts the CEO of Advanced Forecasting Corporation.

"North of Delaware, most hurricane force winds will very likely be gusts, not sustained winds."

o The demise of Irene has already begun. There is no visible eye. The storm intensity is down to 99 mph. This would be a low-end category 2 or a strong category 1 storm, while 36 hours ago some predicted a catastrophic category 4 storm. Air Force Reserve aircraft have found that Irene's eyewall has collapsed, and the central pressure has risen -- rising pressure means a weakening storm.

o The reduction in storm intensity likely confirms that this storm is not going to be as monstrous as it has been publicly forecast to be.

o Yes, it will be windy. However, north of Delaware most hurricane force winds will very likely be gusts, not sustained winds.​

Obama saved us from this historic hurricane, Dave.


He's a miracle worker!

Obama the Miracle Worker | Mother Jones

Illinois Review: Obama, the miracle worker, appears to do it again

DAVID JONES: Now Obama the miracle worker must deliver | Mail Online

 

[Maple]

The Federal Government ask Nagin to evacuate New Orleans. He and the Governor refused. In fact the day before the Hurricane Nagin was still refusing to evacuate.

That's not even true. Mayor Nagin ordered a mandatory evacuation a 9 am the morning after the federal government declared a state of emergency. You're so ignorant of basic facts - and appear to be willing to just make shit up when you don't know - is it worth even debating you over it?

The federal government can not issue a state of emergency for a state, it is the governor that does that. Bush called the governor several times asking her to issue a state of emergency so he could engage fema. She didn't until it was too late. It was ridiculous watching that, the mayor of New Orleans would tell people to evacuate, the governor would say no don't do that, then the governor would say evacuate and the mayor would say no don't so that. What a nut job of local governments. And 1,000 empty buses sat and did not even get started up to rescue anyone. Yet, still to this day Bush is blamed for that. A President can not issue a state of emergency for any state, that is the law, it has to come from the governor of that state.

 

[Provocateur]

The Federal Government ask Nagin to evacuate New Orleans. He and the Governor refused. In fact the day before the Hurricane Nagin was still refusing to evacuate.

That's not even true. Mayor Nagin ordered a mandatory evacuation a 9 am the morning after the federal government declared a state of emergency. You're so ignorant of basic facts - and appear to be willing to just make shit up when you don't know - is it worth even debating you over it?

The federal government can not issue a state of emergency for a state, it is the governor that does that. Bush called the governor several times asking her to issue a state of emergency so he could engage fema. She didn't until it was too late. It was ridiculous watching that, the mayor of New Orleans would tell people to evacuate, the governor would say no don't do that, then the governor would say evacuate and the mayor would say no don't so that. What a nut job of local governments. And 1,000 empty buses sat and did not even get started up to rescue anyone. Yet, still to this day Bush is blamed for that. A President can not issue a state of emergency for any state, that is the law, it has to come from the governor of that state.

FYI, you're wasting energy trying to explain...facts.

 

[daveman]

The Federal Government ask Nagin to evacuate New Orleans. He and the Governor refused. In fact the day before the Hurricane Nagin was still refusing to evacuate.

That's not even true. Mayor Nagin ordered a mandatory evacuation a 9 am the morning after the federal government declared a state of emergency. You're so ignorant of basic facts - and appear to be willing to just make shit up when you don't know - is it worth even debating you over it?

The federal government can not issue a state of emergency for a state, it is the governor that does that. Bush called the governor several times asking her to issue a state of emergency so he could engage fema. She didn't until it was too late. It was ridiculous watching that, the mayor of New Orleans would tell people to evacuate, the governor would say no don't do that, then the governor would say evacuate and the mayor would say no don't so that. What a nut job of local governments. And 1,000 empty buses sat and did not even get started up to rescue anyone. Yet, still to this day Bush is blamed for that. A President can not issue a state of emergency for any state, that is the law, it has to come from the governor of that state.

 

[Maple]

That would be the Gov of NC.

NC governor declares state of emergency for Irene | The Asheville Citizen-Times | citizen-times.com

She declared a SOE on Wednesday.

RALEIGH &#8212; North Carolina Gov. Beverly Perdue has declared a state of emergency for the region east of Interstate 95 in preparation of approaching Hurricane Irene.

Perdue also said Thursday she has asked President Barack Obama to declare a federal emergency ahead of the storm reaching North Carolina this weekend to help accelerate response efforts.

Kudos to Perdue!!

Wow. 3 days before landfall.
The Governor of Louisiana also declared a SOE 3 days before Katrina.

Hope for NC's sake the President is a bit more responsive with 3 days notice this time around.

The Federal Government ask Nagin to evacuate New Orleans. He and the Governor refused. In fact the day before the Hurricane Nagin was still refusing to evacuate. What did the Governor do? She placed the bulk of the National Guard in the city she was in. She ignored New Orleans completely.

The Federal Government was in New Orleans within 3 days of the hurricane, even though all bridges were out, all roads flooded and all airports unusable. And what happened? Nagin refused to inform FEMA of where all his evacuation sites were, refused to assign police to the large ones to control the crime.

Then what did Nagin do? Illegally seized all private citizens weapons so they could not protect themselves or their property.

That is very true, I watched it all, what a circus from the local government.

Criticism of government response to Hurricane Katrina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin was also criticized for failing to implement his evacuation plan and for ordering residents to a shelter of last resort without any provisions for food, water, security, or sanitary conditions. Perhaps the most important criticism of Nagin is that he delayed his emergency evacuation order until less than a day before landfall, which led to hundreds of deaths of people who (by that time) could not find any way out of the city.[2] Adding to the criticism was the broadcast of school bus parking lots full of yellow school buses which Mayor Nagin refused to be used in evacuation. When asked why the buses were not used to assist evacuations instead of holing up in the Superdome, a lack of insurance liability and bus drivers were given as reasons

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

The federal government can not issue a state of emergency for a state, it is the governor that does that. Bush called the governor several times asking her to issue a state of emergency so he could engage fema. She didn't until it was too late.

I'm so tired of dealing with ignorant fuckfaces like yourself.

Katrina was originally headed to the Florida panhandle. It turned and headed to New Orleans on FRIDAY August 26th. Governor Blanco declared a state of emergency on FRIDAY August 26th. Here's the link you ignorant fucktard

Office of the Governor, Kathleen Babineaux Blanco, State of Louisiana - Press Releases

On the other hand, Governor Halley Barbour of the Personal Responsibility Party waited until Saturday to declare a state of emergency for Mississippi


On Saturday, Blanco requested a federal declaration of emergency, which was granted the same day.


Now shut the **** up about shit you obviously know NOTHING ABOUT.

It was ridiculous watching that, the mayor of New Orleans would tell people to evacuate, the governor would say no don't do that, then the governor would say evacuate and the mayor would say no don't so that.

It surely must have been ridiculous watching that, considering you made it up in your ******* head.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

That's not even true. Mayor Nagin ordered a mandatory evacuation a 9 am the morning after the federal government declared a state of emergency. You're so ignorant of basic facts - and appear to be willing to just make shit up when you don't know - is it worth even debating you over it?

The federal government can not issue a state of emergency for a state, it is the governor that does that. Bush called the governor several times asking her to issue a state of emergency so he could engage fema. She didn't until it was too late. It was ridiculous watching that, the mayor of New Orleans would tell people to evacuate, the governor would say no don't do that, then the governor would say evacuate and the mayor would say no don't so that. What a nut job of local governments. And 1,000 empty buses sat and did not even get started up to rescue anyone. Yet, still to this day Bush is blamed for that. A President can not issue a state of emergency for any state, that is the law, it has to come from the governor of that state.

FYI, you're wasting energy trying to explain...facts.

Most of the so called "facts" aren't even true. You people are so ******* stupid you can't even grasp basic objective fact.

Here's a brief time line to fill in your obvious ignorance:

Wednesday: Katrina predicted to hit Florida panhandle

Thursday: Katrina still predicted to hit Florida panhandle.

Friday: about 5 pm - Katrina veers towards Louisiana.
about 11pm - Katrina firmly predicted to hit New Orleans, Blanco declares state of emergency

Saturday:
about 5pm - Mayor Nagin declares a state of emergency and voluntary evacuation

Sunday:
about 11 am - Nagin orders mandatory evacuation
about noon - contraflow traffic initiated
~ - Bush declares state of emergency
Monday:
about 9 am - the first levees breach

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin was also criticized for failing to implement his evacuation plan...

"his" evacuation plan? Mayor Nagin did not write an evacuation plan.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The federal government can not issue a state of emergency for a state, it is the governor that does that. Bush called the governor several times asking her to issue a state of emergency so he could engage fema. She didn't until it was too late.

I'm so tired of dealing with ignorant fuckfaces like yourself.

Katrina was originally headed to the Florida panhandle. It turned and headed to New Orleans on FRIDAY August 26th. Governor Blanco declared a state of emergency on FRIDAY August 26th. Here's the link you ignorant fucktard

Office of the Governor, Kathleen Babineaux Blanco, State of Louisiana - Press Releases

On the other hand, Governor Halley Barbour of the Personal Responsibility Party waited until Saturday to declare a state of emergency for Mississippi


On Saturday, Blanco requested a federal declaration of emergency, which was granted the same day.


Now shut the **** up about shit you obviously know NOTHING ABOUT.

It was ridiculous watching that, the mayor of New Orleans would tell people to evacuate, the governor would say no don't do that, then the governor would say evacuate and the mayor would say no don't so that.

It surely must have been ridiculous watching that, considering you made it up in your ******* head.

You are an idiot. The Hurricane HIT on SUNDAY. You are aware that Sunday is one day from Saturday?

Nagin did not order an evacuation until Saturday night. Th storm hit on Sunday. Nagin did not follow his own Emergency procedures. Nagin did not use city buses or school Buses. Nagin used emergency secondary facilities as evac points. No food, no water, no toilets, no security.

Good thing I asked for a link ehh?