Obama Orders New Efficiency for Big Trucks

[bripat9643]

Conservatives seem almost eager to trash the environment just to spite "tree-huggers" and seem to despise any efforts to keep the planet livable for future generations. You do not like regulation, I get that, but someone has to make sure your grandchildren can breath the air and drink the water because it is clear conservatives would not care if they have to live in filth.

This is about the president ruling by decree, fool.

This about there being only one man willing to incur the wrath of big business to do the right thing by your children and grandchildren. Do you not care if they live in a polluted cesspool? It seems to be case when there is apparently no political will on the right to protect the environment.

I just looked out the window. I didn't see a polluted cesspool. I saw trees and birds and clear skies. Where is this cesspool you think we're all living in?

 

[deltex1]

Obama Orders New Efficiency for Big Trucks



Why hasn't the moron acted on the Pickens' plan?

 

[rightwinger]

We're not talking about congress here, sport.

Try to keep up.

It is a separation of powers and checks and balance

If the Congress doesn't like the new EPA standards, they can pass their own
Why don't they?
If the President is overstepping his authority, the Supreme Court can overrule him

Apparently you believe democracy is actually functional.

Been working for 235 years despite Republican obstructionism

 

[JasmineT]

OMG! The horror of it all. Decreasing toxic emissions. And the nerve of the POTUS to exercise the authority that is LAWFULLY his...

In the case of carbon pollution, Mr. Obama has the legal authority under the 1970 Clean Air Act, which requires the Environmental Protection Agency to regulate any substance designated as a pollutant that harms or endangers human health. In 2009, the E.P.A. determined that carbon dioxide, emitted in large quantities from tailpipes and smokestacks, meets that definition.

 

[Political Junky]

The EPA was proposed and signed by Richard Nixon in 1970.

 

[Andylusion]

Obama Orders New Efficiency for Big Trucks



Why hasn't the moron acted on the Pickens' plan?

Mainly because the pinkens plan, sucks.

First, as many have said over and over, Wind Power is non-power. It's impossible to have 22% of electricity generated by wind power, simply because of "physics". There simply isn't that much wind power to be had.

All of the electricity generated by over 800 acres of wind mills across the entire state of Ohio, produce less power, than one single coal fired power plant outside Cincinnati. Additionally, those hundreds on hundreds of wind mills, have racked up a cost of several hundred million, which is more than the cost of the one single coal power plant.

So, drastically higher cost, for drastically lower power, and it still doesn't replace ANYTHING.

You can't rely on wind power. You have to have conventional power plants up, and running, and operating, at all times, in case the wind dies down, which defeats the entire purpose.

Of course the other aspect of his plan, is to shift Natural Gas over to automobiles, using Compressed Natural Gas, CNG, as a replacement for OIl.

(FYI, I realized I was mixing in different names. Petrol is the UK name for Gasoline. For simplicity, I'll refer to Petrol and CNG, instead of gas and gasoline)
That's *NOT* going to happen yet.

Fleet vehicles see a value to CNG, but to the domestic consumer, it's still not really all that great.

First, the cost of a CNG car is a good $5,000 higher. This is mostly due to the super expensive, super safe, high pressure tank, designed to take being smashed and beaten, without blowing gas all over the place and burning everyone.

So you want that.

The second problem is that although the fuel is in fact, a good $1.50 Cheaper (local prices are $3.30 for petrol, and $2.00 for CNG), and additionally the CNG typically gets better mileage (about 5 mile per gallon equivalent more), the fact is, the tank holds quite a bit less.

The only CNG consumer car on the market, is Honda's, and it's running a maximum of 220 miles on a tank, whereas it's Petrol version, runs 350 miles on a single tank.

Lastly, unless you want to drive miles to get to a station with a CNG pump, (the closest to my home is 10 miles north), you have to install a home pump, which will cost you about $5,000, and that's assuming you have a place to install and safely use it. I live in a condo, with a communal parking lot. I'm not leaving an unprotected natural gas line sitting outside all night long.

Breaking even on just the $5,000 initial higher price, would be nearly impossible. Unless you kept the car for over 7 years.... which few do.

But to then add in the additional $5,000 for the home pump, for a total additional $10,000 over a conventional gas car, you'll never break even on that. Never.

Further, even if you had the home pump, from what I understand, it easily takes all night long to refuel the car.

Even if you go to a service station with a CNG pump, my understanding is that it can easily take a good 20 minutes to fuel your car, depending on the station. Some stations have very high pressure, which of course makes fueling faster. Others have much lower pressure, and that can take some time.

The point again, is that this is a lot like Hybrid cars. The cost savings of the fuel, minus the higher up front cost, never breaks even.

Now the truth is, if the people pushing CNG were to actually succeed, they would actually only result in ruining their own movement. There are two reasons for this.

First, if they actually succeeded in moving a significant portion of the population from Petrol to CNG, that would be a drastic increase in demand, far greater than increase in production of natural gas. Demand goes up, supply stays relatively stable, price? Price goes up.

Equally, as the demand for Petrol declined as more people used CNG, the price for Petrol would also decline.

The fact is, the primary reason people have for buying CNG over Petrol is the profit motive. The money savings. Yet in the very act of switching, they would gradually eliminate the very savings which motivated the switch.

The second reason is taxes. A lot of people point to the use of CNG in places like the UK. Which is true, but the reason is that Petrol costs $9 a gallon in the UK, when it costs $3.40 here. Meanwhile CNG costs are relatively similar.

But this ignores the fact that the reason Petrol is more the double the US price, is exclusively because of taxes. Taxes which are not applied to CNG.

Ironically, if taxes were eliminated in the UK, and the US, the existing price savings would be gone. In the UK, nearly $7 of the price of Petrol, is all tax. In the US, over $1 of the price is all tax. In both cases if you eliminate the taxes, or apply the taxes equally, the price savings between Petrol and CNG is gone.

But the point though is, if in fact a significant portion of the population moves from Petrol to CNG, the government in the UK and the US, would lose a massive source of tax revenue.

In both cases, the governments would be forced to replace that lost revenue, or cut spending. Well we all know that cutting spending isn't likely to happen. Just look at what happened in the UK even 'proposed' austerity measures? The leftists went fruit bat crazy.

So they will have to increase taxes elsewhere, and the most logical and obvious choice is....... CNG. In doing so, again, the price savings that is the primary driver of people switching to CNG over Petrol, is eliminated, thus destroying it's own movement..

So the bottom line in all this is.... The Picken's plan is DOA. Not a solution to anything.

 

[Andylusion]

It is a separation of powers and checks and balance

If the Congress doesn't like the new EPA standards, they can pass their own
Why don't they?
If the President is overstepping his authority, the Supreme Court can overrule him

Apparently you believe democracy is actually functional.

Been working for 235 years despite Republican obstructionism

Nah. Democracy is a universal failure. The moment the US becomes a true Democracy, the country is doomed. Read the histories of Democracies. Without restraint on the unbridled will of the people, and the random sway of the masses, they will quickly consume and destroy themselves.

If anything, it's been exclusively because of Republican obstructionism, that the unrestrained will of the people hasn't destroyed this country.

 

[Katzndogz]

The EPA needs to be defunded.

 

[RandallFlagg]

This is a terrible move. This will drastically increase the cost of shipping goods, and will harm every aspect of the economy.

Also, killing off coal power plants, which is the cheapest source of electricity in the country, will drastically drive up power prices.

I DO seem to recall His Royal Highness stating that he would regulate coal out of existence - that "if they want to build a coal fired plant, it will bankrupt them"

As for a former traffic manager of one of the largest grocery wholesalers in the country with a fleet of around 3,000 trucks - you are correct. This will do nothing more than to increase the price of ALL delivered goods (of which trucks carry 99.9%) to the public.

Good going Barry.....Oh, and I heard the news conference. Barry, big trucks operate on DIESEL - not gasoline you moron.

 

[Londoner]

Obama has a pen and a phone.............Congress and the Constitution need not apply to Obama and the Dems.

Again, abuse of power without Congressional Consent.

Executive orders by President

George W. Bush
First Term - 173
Second Term - 118
Total - 291

Barack Obama
First Term - 147
Second Term - 21
Total - 168

Ronald Reagan - 381
Bill Clinton - 364

(If you ever condemned your party for doing any of this shit, we'd take you seriously - we'd believe you'd care about the Constitution. But we're not even sure you understand the Constitution, since you don't reference how executive orders are anti-Constitutional)

People wonder why we're fucked. The OP votes.

 

[Londoner]

Obama has a pen and a phone.............Congress and the Constitution need not apply to Obama and the Dems.

Again, abuse of power without Congressional Consent.

Executive orders by President

George W. Bush
First Term - 173
Second Term - 118
Total - 291

Barack Obama
First Term - 147
Second Term - 21
Total - 168

Ronald Reagan - 381
Bill Clinton - 364

(If you ever condemned your party for doing any of this shit, we'd take you seriously - we'd believe you cared about the Constitution. But we're not even sure you understand the Constitution since you don't reference how executive orders are anti-Constitutional. At some point you have to stand up for actual principals, and not be merely a cheerleader/loyal attack dog for one party.)

People wonder why we're fucked. The OP probably votes.

 

[RandallFlagg]

WOW, you were so enamored with your post that you chose to post it twice!!! Good for you.

 

[bripat9643]

It is a separation of powers and checks and balance

If the Congress doesn't like the new EPA standards, they can pass their own
Why don't they?
If the President is overstepping his authority, the Supreme Court can overrule him

Apparently you believe democracy is actually functional.

Been working for 235 years despite Republican obstructionism

If you think swirling down the toilet bowl at ever greater velocity means it's "working."

 

[ScienceRocks]

Some times the greatest of innovation happens when you push something. I have faith that trucks will get the mileage and meet this standard within the next 10-15 years.

 

[bripat9643]

OMG! The horror of it all. Decreasing toxic emissions. And the nerve of the POTUS to exercise the authority that is LAWFULLY his...

In the case of carbon pollution, Mr. Obama has the legal authority under the 1970 Clean Air Act, which requires the Environmental Protection Agency to regulate any substance designated as a pollutant that harms or endangers human health. In 2009, the E.P.A. determined that carbon dioxide, emitted in large quantities from tailpipes and smokestacks, meets that definition.

In other words, the EPA has the arbitrary authority to declare whatever it likes to be pollution, even mother's milk.

CO2 is not a pollutant or toxic according to any scientific definition of the term.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Obama has a pen and a phone.............Congress and the Constitution need not apply to Obama and the Dems.

Again, abuse of power without Congressional Consent.

Executive orders by President

George W. Bush
First Term - 173
Second Term - 118
Total - 291

Barack Obama
First Term - 147
Second Term - 21
Total - 168

Ronald Reagan - 381
Bill Clinton - 364

(If you ever condemned your party for doing any of this shit, we'd take you seriously - we'd believe you'd care about the Constitution. But we're not even sure you understand the Constitution, since you don't reference how executive orders are anti-Constitutional)

People wonder why we're fucked. The OP votes.

The tea party hasn't a goddamn point. There entire case is made of blind hatred of all forms of government. They imagine themselves farming some field or hunting crook in some swamp.

 

[Clementine]

This is a terrible move. This will drastically increase the cost of shipping goods, and will harm every aspect of the economy.

Also, killing off coal power plants, which is the cheapest source of electricity in the country, will drastically drive up power prices.

The trucking industry has taken enough hits from the Obama administration. I think he has a problem with people making money.

 

[RandallFlagg]

This is a terrible move. This will drastically increase the cost of shipping goods, and will harm every aspect of the economy.

Also, killing off coal power plants, which is the cheapest source of electricity in the country, will drastically drive up power prices.

The trucking industry has taken enough hits from the Obama administration. I think he has a problem with people making money.

Indeed. Most folks don't have a clue just how much trucking companies pay in taxes for the "right" to drive on our roads. The average truck will pay in excess of $5,000 per year. Every year. For one truck.

What does the average car pay? Probably less than $75. There are millions more cars on the roads.

And of course, let us not forget the 860 BILLION dollar "stimulus" that was to provide "shovel ready" jobs repairing and re-building infrastructure. Anyone seen a brand new Highway lately?

"I guess "shovel ready" wasn't as "shovel ready" as we thought" - Barrack Hussein Obama

Mt President....where the hell did all that money go??

 

[Politico]

Wow 2050. He's really doing something...not.....

 

[Duped]

This is a terrible move. This will drastically increase the cost of shipping goods, and will harm every aspect of the economy.

Also, killing off coal power plants, which is the cheapest source of electricity in the country, will drastically drive up power prices.

That is precisely why he is doing it!

If it sounds good; his cult will be all in - they will not consider the reality. They will only regurgitate his babble