Obama Orders New Efficiency for Big Trucks

[Stephanie]

Conservatives seem almost eager to trash the environment just to spite "tree-huggers" and seem to despise any efforts to keep the planet livable for future generations. You do not like regulation, I get that, but someone has to make sure your grandchildren can breath the air and drink the water because it is clear conservatives would not care if they have to live in filth.

go eat a tree and choke on it

 

[The T]

BS

This is about violating the Constitution of the United States of America.

Tell me, is there ever a right time to put the health of the planet first? In conservativeland I do not think so, a polluted river or foul air is always worth a few jobs.

You tell me. You are here using a computer, which is using power, which creates CO2. The manufacturing of the computer created CO2. Them home your are in, cut down a bunch of trees, and created CO2 in it's construction. The chair your butt is in, created CO2. The car you drive to work, creates CO2, and created CO2 in it's production. The job you do, whatever it is, creates CO2. The cell phone you have creates CO2. And nearly every single thing I just listed, and everything you have that I have not listed, all created toxic by products in their respective production.

You tell me sparky..... when should *YOU* give up everything you have for the sake of the planet?

You people are all the same. Everything is worth giving up for the planet, until it's actually your own stuff you have to give up. Great when sacrifice applies to others, not so good when it applies to you.

I met a guy saying the same thing, and I asked him what kind of car he drove. It was an SUV. Why not a tiny Ford Festiva, or Chevy Metro? "Well...... um.... my family can't fit in those"

..... oh... I'm sorry eco-tard.... I thought you said EVERYTHING was worth giving up for the planet.... Was there a personal exemption for Eco-tards? You really expect me to believe that only that SUV could fit your two 5 year old kids, and a dog?

No, it's just that eco-tards expect everyone else to sacrifice, not them.

Including OwlGore and his nonsense.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

Breathtaking how the progressives are just fine with the president acting like Emperor, as long as it meshes with their political sensitivities.

You can only imagine the seething conniption fit they would be throwing, if someone like Bush unilaterally declared something like gay marriage to be illegal by presidential proclamation.

You could probably hear the howling form orbit.

 

[bripat9643]

Conservatives seem almost eager to trash the environment just to spite "tree-huggers" and seem to despise any efforts to keep the planet livable for future generations. You do not like regulation, I get that, but someone has to make sure your grandchildren can breath the air and drink the water because it is clear conservatives would not care if they have to live in filth.

CO2 isn't a pollutant, moron.

 

[bripat9643]

Breathtaking how the progressives are just fine with the president acting like Emperor, as long as it meshes with their political sensitivities.

You can only imagine the seething conniption fit they would be throwing, if someone like Bush unilaterally declared something like gay marriage to be illegal by presidential proclamation.

You could probably hear the howling form orbit.

Just wait until a Republican is elected President who repeals all these whacko regulations.

 

[Avatar4321]

Politicians are so arrogant.

Do they really think just passing a law, or in this case writing an order, is going to magically develop technology? Trucks are going to get better gas mileage just because the government says so.

Elect me to Congress. Ill pass a law saying that car manufactures must produce flying cars by 2015.

Do you honestly believe that the technology is going to magically be there just because i pass a law?

Why are people so foolish?

 

[Avatar4321]

Conservatives seem almost eager to trash the environment just to spite "tree-huggers" and seem to despise any efforts to keep the planet livable for future generations. You do not like regulation, I get that, but someone has to make sure your grandchildren can breath the air and drink the water because it is clear conservatives would not care if they have to live in filth.

CO2 isn't a pollutant, moron.

But it has to be. Because if we aren't polluting the atmosphere by exhaling, then how can totalitarians justify the mass murder to "save the planet"?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Who will it hurt the most?
Small privately owned transportation companies.
Corporate fleet firms are actually probably behind the bill, they can afford to fix the trucks. It is the smaller firms that will be hurt the most.
I wonder who this is payback for...what corporation(s) contributed to his campaign that he is repaying?

 

[Old Rocks]

This is a terrible move. This will drastically increase the cost of shipping goods, and will harm every aspect of the economy.

Also, killing off coal power plants, which is the cheapest source of electricity in the country, will drastically drive up power prices.

What is killing off the coal fired plants is that the grandfathered dirty plants have hit their lifespan, and natural gas and wind are both cheaper to install and maintain than even dirty coal.

 

[Old Rocks]

Breathtaking how the progressives are just fine with the president acting like Emperor, as long as it meshes with their political sensitivities.

You can only imagine the seething conniption fit they would be throwing, if someone like Bush unilaterally declared something like gay marriage to be illegal by presidential proclamation.

You could probably hear the howling form orbit.

Just wait until a Republican is elected President who repeals all these whacko regulations.

Well, at the present rate of increasing popularity of the GOP and it's teabagger leaders, that would be sometime in the 23rd century.

 

[rightwinger]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/19/u...w-rules-for-cutting-truck-pollution.html?_r=1

The new regulations, to be drafted by the Environmental Protection Agency and the Transportation Department by March 2015 and completed a year later so they are in place before Mr. Obama leaves office, are the latest in a series of actions intended to cut back on greenhouse gases without the sort of comprehensive legislation the president failed to push through Congress in his first term.



Tom Steyer at the office of NextGen Climate Action, his political organization, in San Francisco.Financier Plans Big Ad Campaign on Climate ChangeFEB. 17, 2014
The new regulation would primarily affect the country’s 600 coal-fired power plants, like this one in Texas, and could ultimately shutter hundreds of them.E.P.A. Staff Struggling to Create Pollution RuleFEB. 4, 2014
The limits on greenhouse gas pollution from trucks would combine with previous rules requiring passenger cars and light trucks to burn fuel more efficiently and pending rules to limit the carbon emissions of power plants. Cumulatively, experts said the à la carte approach should enable Mr. Obama to meet his target of cutting carbon pollution in the United States by 17 percent from 2005 levels by 2020. But they said he would still be far short of his goal of an 80 percent reduction by 2050.

Obama has a pen and a phone.............Congress and the Constitution need not apply to Obama and the Dems.

Again, abuse of power without Congressional Consent.

Congress can pass their own laws on emissions.....Why don't they?

 

[Old Rocks]

Breathtaking how the progressives are just fine with the president acting like Emperor, as long as it meshes with their political sensitivities.

You can only imagine the seething conniption fit they would be throwing, if someone like Bush unilaterally declared something like gay marriage to be illegal by presidential proclamation.

You could probably hear the howling form orbit.

Breathtaking how you 'Conservatives' howl and whine like kicked pups every time that the President does anything at all. We have known for a long time how to make the big diesels more efficient and cleaner, so it is time that we do that.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

Breathtaking how the progressives are just fine with the president acting like Emperor, as long as it meshes with their political sensitivities.

You can only imagine the seething conniption fit they would be throwing, if someone like Bush unilaterally declared something like gay marriage to be illegal by presidential proclamation.

You could probably hear the howling form orbit.

Breathtaking how you 'Conservatives' howl and whine like kicked pups every time that the President does anything at all. We have known for a long time how to make the big diesels more efficient and cleaner, so it is time that we do that.

I care about separation of powers, no matter who is in the oval Office.

You don't.

Thank you for proving my observation correct.

 

[Andylusion]

This is a terrible move. This will drastically increase the cost of shipping goods, and will harm every aspect of the economy.

Also, killing off coal power plants, which is the cheapest source of electricity in the country, will drastically drive up power prices.

What is killing off the coal fired plants is that the grandfathered dirty plants have hit their lifespan, and natural gas and wind are both cheaper to install and maintain than even dirty coal.

It's not wise to have the entire power generation of the country, tied to a single source of power.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

This is a terrible move. This will drastically increase the cost of shipping goods, and will harm every aspect of the economy.

Also, killing off coal power plants, which is the cheapest source of electricity in the country, will drastically drive up power prices.

What is killing off the coal fired plants is that the grandfathered dirty plants have hit their lifespan, and natural gas and wind are both cheaper to install and maintain than even dirty coal.

It's not wise to have the entire power generation of the country, tied to a single source of power.

It is if you want to use electrical power to reward your friends and punish your enemies.

 

[rightwinger]

Breathtaking how the progressives are just fine with the president acting like Emperor, as long as it meshes with their political sensitivities.

You can only imagine the seething conniption fit they would be throwing, if someone like Bush unilaterally declared something like gay marriage to be illegal by presidential proclamation.

You could probably hear the howling form orbit.

Breathtaking how you 'Conservatives' howl and whine like kicked pups every time that the President does anything at all. We have known for a long time how to make the big diesels more efficient and cleaner, so it is time that we do that.

I care about separation of powers, no matter who is in the oval Office.

You don't.

Thank you for proving my observation correct.

Congress has the authority to pass their own emission standards

 

[Silhouette]

This is a terrible move. This will drastically increase the cost of shipping goods, and will harm every aspect of the economy.

Also, killing off coal power plants, which is the cheapest source of electricity in the country, will drastically drive up power prices.

FALSE:

1. Coal power plants don't have to be "killed off" entirely, only hybridized with solar thermal to reduce coal usage per year: http://www.usmessageboard.com/energy/338907-first-hyrbid-solar-thermal-power-plant-in-florida.html

2. Increasing efficiency in cars means burning fuels with platinum particulates found in cumbersome [drag producing/low milege producing] smog systems.

The catalytic converters BigOil engineered to suit themselves with the cooperation of auto manufacturers [which they are and always have been deeply in bed with] in the smog systems were to burn unused fuel AFTER the combustion stroke of the car. Genius! Instead of using that particulate platinum introduction to improve efficiency to push the car forward AND reduce smog at the same time, they strapped the car down with more pulleys, pumps, reburners and the like AFTER the important part of combustion. Result? less smog and less fuel efficiency which means you have to burn MORE gas to get from point A to point B.

If Obama's "improve efficiency" laws mean strapping trucks down with more smog equipment, that means requiring more fuel to be burned and therefore less efficiency. Take the platinum particulates [larger chunks won't do, the smaller the platinum particles the better they work to completely combust fuels] and make the smog reduction happen in the combustion chamber. Not the exhaust system. Less fuel burned, less smog produced.

BigOil should hang its head in shame.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

Breathtaking how you 'Conservatives' howl and whine like kicked pups every time that the President does anything at all. We have known for a long time how to make the big diesels more efficient and cleaner, so it is time that we do that.

I care about separation of powers, no matter who is in the oval Office.

You don't.

Thank you for proving my observation correct.

Congress has the authority to pass their own emission standards

We're not talking about congress here, sport.

Try to keep up.

 

[rightwinger]

I care about separation of powers, no matter who is in the oval Office.

You don't.

Thank you for proving my observation correct.

Congress has the authority to pass their own emission standards

We're not talking about congress here, sport.

Try to keep up.

It is a separation of powers and checks and balance

If the Congress doesn't like the new EPA standards, they can pass their own
Why don't they?
If the President is overstepping his authority, the Supreme Court can overrule him

 

[Harry Dresden]

Conservatives seem almost eager to trash the environment just to spite "tree-huggers" and seem to despise any efforts to keep the planet livable for future generations. You do not like regulation, I get that, but someone has to make sure your grandchildren can breath the air and drink the water because it is clear conservatives would not care if they have to live in filth.

This is about the president ruling by decree, fool.

This about there being only one man willing to incur the wrath of big business to do the right thing by your children and grandchildren. Do you not care if they live in a polluted cesspool? It seems to be case when there is apparently no political will on the right to protect the environment.

is that one man willing to incur the wrath of the Mexican Govt and make sure anything he does applies to their trucks crossing the border as well?....