Obama not responsible after 2 yrs. They blame Bush after 8 mos.

[The T]

Obama is still not accepting responsibility. Yet the progressive libs blame Bush for 9/11 after he was in office for 8 months.

I never blamed Bush for 911. That is stupid.

However I can never forgive him for nor forget how he used 911 for his other political ends. ie Iraq.

911 was an inevitable event primarially due to our messing around with the ME for many years.

There is no reason to blame bush for things he did not do he has so many deeds he justly deserves blame for. No need to add to the already high total.

Not HOW the Democrats were just as eager to go after the perps....UNTIL it became politically inexpediant?

Don't forget? It took DEMOCRAT VOTES to send us to IRAQ/Afghanistan...and here we are with a DEMOCRAT Majority even NOW?

And we REMAIN in BOTH PLACES...

WHY Exactly?

It's OK. You can confess...

 

[Dr Grump]

ALL from WHAT policies? STATIST DEMOCRATS...Republicans are Guilty of not fighting strongly enough against it, and LACK of ******* SPINE.

*NEXT*

Well, Ok, yee fountain of knowledge, what is the answer? What would have YOU done if you had been in charge? (and the standard neocon answer and solution to all questions - "no" - will not be good enough.)

I'm betting you don't have a workable/feasible answer...

*EASY* LESS Government.

Is it that HARD for some of you? REALLY?

With less government there wouldn't have been a meltdown? Please explain.
With less government there would be less unemployment? Please explain.

I realise spouting rhetoric and slogans is standard neocon practice, but you'll have to do better on these boards, Sonny Boy. Any retard can do that. Giving solid, easy-to-understand and workable solutions is a lot harder...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The bigPinkfairy made the claim, it's his to prove. If I say I ran the 100m in 9.1 seconds, does it immediately go into the record books, or do I need to prove it?

And the RAT cuyo needs to prove the assertion...

Back on topic, child. You still haven't proven you're not actually 2 midgets. And it's not that important to me. I know it's a lie, that's good enough for me. I don't care what you believe. Your man crush on that loser Mark Levin proves you'll believe anything.

I know it to be the truth. As for you just keep thinking that I get around maybe the next person you see will be me. Who knows.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

From one ex cop to another you wouldn't stand a chance.

Um, we actually have real police down here. No corruption, no guns (well some of the sergeants and above carry if they want) and you don't get 'voted' in like your sheriffs, or get hired like deputies do. Why do I get the feeling you were one of those pretend cops like a county sheriff or deputy as opposed to the state trooper or big city cop that acutally gets proper training.

Down here we actually have to do six months in a police college and know criminal law. There is a huge vetting process. That aside, if you truly WERE an LEO (note the past tense), then you can't have been a very good one if you get out of the car and smack someone.

As for not standing a chance, we'll never know. All I DO know is, that any time some ****** starts their tough act on the net, dollars to donuts they're a Grade A *****.

Now, answer the question, or don't you have the brain power to do so?

Um, we actually have real police down here. No corruption, no guns (well some of the sergeants and above carry if they want) and you don't get 'voted' in like your sheriffs, or get hired like deputies do.

Excuse me? The sheriff's are the highest most powerful elected officals in the county. They can kick the state troopers out of the county if they want to. as for deputies they are hired like anybody else. Man for man I'll take a trained American officer over any outsider any day of the week and twice on Sunday. As for the corruption how do you know? The only time you find out about it is after the fact.

As for not standing a chance, we'll never know. All I DO know is, that any time some ****** starts their tough act on the net, dollars to donuts they're a Grade A *****.

I don't lie there is no need in it. It takes more time to lie and remember what you said to have to go through that. So that why I tell the truth. It's a lot easier that way.

Now, answer the question, or don't you have the brain power to do so

Nope asswipe I am still waiting on my reply to be answered . Why would I walk away from my post without it being addressed?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

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And? This MATTERS in the United States...HOW EXACLTY?

This 'debate' I'm having with the BigPinkFairy has nothing to do with the US...

Is that your code name? As in when you do under the cover work?
[ame]http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=nIOR5PXySAs[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fekD7WU7KNY&feature=related[/ame]

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I could argue that the whole mess started with Reagan and his Chief of Staff Don Regan (Of Merrill Lynch), where all the significant de-regulation began to take hold.


Again, Enron and the recall of Gray Davis come to mind. It's very sad. I can't reach you through a computer but do some research, you will find it's not nearly as simplistic as they're trying to tell you.

To be fair, going by his postings and lack of grammar etc, he is a pretty simplistic guy.

As for Raygun, I did some research about a year ago, and even saw a YouTube video, which showed him deregulating the Building societies in America. Some believe that was the start..

Thanks for pointing out the fact I do not care about grammar usage nor does anyone else by looking at the mistakes made in most post.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Now Back On Track Jillian still waiting.

Really? What people? Partisan hacks....that's who...

i love how the wingnuts think that things were better then. yeah, what's a little economic melt-down among friends.

what insane twits.

Well Jillian this is your time to shine explain what was so wrong with the economy before the democrats took contol of Congress.
What was the unemployment number before 2008?
What did the stock market look like in 2007?
Just how bad were things jillian

 

[Dr Grump]

Excuse me? The sheriff's are the highest most powerful elected officals in the county. They can kick the state troopers out of the county if they want to. as for deputies they are hired like anybody else.

Man for man I'll take a trained American officer over any outsider any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

As for the corruption how do you know? The only time you find out about it is after the fact.

I don't lie there is no need in it. It takes more time to lie and remember what you said to have to go through that. So that why I tell the truth. It's a lot easier that way.

Nope asswipe I am still waiting on my reply to be answered . Why would I walk away from my post without it being addressed?

1) Exactly, he or she is an elected official. By what standards are they measured? What is their qualification other than being first in a popularity contest? What is their knowledge of the law? What is the vetting process so they know the law of the land and definitions of certain things as pertaining to the law? ie, down here the term 'assault' has a definition under criminal law, as does a 'public place' etc....

2) True story. A person I worked with (no, he wasn't a friend, he was a bit of dick actually) in the 80s father was a captain in our SAS (version of your Green Berets). They had a war games exercise vs your Green Berets in Hawaii. Your guys 'killed' 17 of ours. Our guys 'killed' just over 70 of yours, including one poor sap who took a leak on a 'log', who happened to be a member of the SAS. Even the Viet Cong and NVA said they feared the Aussies in Viet Nam more than the US troops. Go figure...

3) A German think tank - last time I looked - put NZ on a 9.7 out of 10 on the incorruptibility scale. We came third after Finland somebody else. US was on about a 7.7. That just wasn't policing it was an overall score - politicians, public servants etc. That aside, whenever they did surveys in NZ about most trusted people the police, doctors and nurses always came out on top. Used car salesman and lawyers always on the bottom. Where do you think cops would come in the US on such a list?

4) The problem with you waiting for a reply is that your original question is erroneous...

 

[mudwhistle]

I could argue that the whole mess started with Reagan and his Chief of Staff Don Regan (Of Merrill Lynch), where all the significant de-regulation began to take hold.


Again, Enron and the recall of Gray Davis come to mind. It's very sad. I can't reach you through a computer but do some research, you will find it's not nearly as simplistic as they're trying to tell you.

To be fair, going by his postings and lack of grammar etc, he is a pretty simplistic guy.

As for Raygun, I did some research about a year ago, and even saw a YouTube video, which showed him deregulating the Building societies in America. Some believe that was the start..

Thanks for pointing out the fact I do not care about grammar usage nor does anyone else by looking at the mistakes made in most post.

I would call him a snooty elitist pig but that would be acting the way he does.

I keep noticing Dr. Grumps admiration of intelligence. Seems to be a constant theme with the left: That intelligence makes one a better person and intelligence alone can solve everything. What a narcissist.

He is just so smart (in his mind)

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhrfhjLd9e4[/ame]

 

[Dr Grump]

Is that your code name? As in when you do under the cover work?
http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=nIOR5PXySAs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fekD7WU7KNY&feature=related

Hey if you want to go down that road vis-a-vis the US, I'd be here for the rest of my life posting ****-ups....at the end of the day, our guys make mistakes for sure, but they are still one of the most trusted occupations in the land. Same Stateside? Thought not...carry on..

 

[Dr Grump]

I would call him a snooty elitist pig but that would be acting the way he does.

I keep noticing Dr. Grumps admiration of intelligence. Seems to be a constant theme with the left: That intelligence makes one a better person and intelligence alone can solve everything. What a narcissist.


He is just so smart (in his mind)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhrfhjLd9e4

Gee, and I bet you're one of those neocon fucktards who are always whinging and whining about how the public school system sucks.

You think having intelligence is a bad thing? Retard...

 

[mudwhistle]

Excuse me? The sheriff's are the highest most powerful elected officals in the county. They can kick the state troopers out of the county if they want to. as for deputies they are hired like anybody else.

Man for man I'll take a trained American officer over any outsider any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

As for the corruption how do you know? The only time you find out about it is after the fact.

I don't lie there is no need in it. It takes more time to lie and remember what you said to have to go through that. So that why I tell the truth. It's a lot easier that way.

Nope asswipe I am still waiting on my reply to be answered . Why would I walk away from my post without it being addressed?

1) Exactly, he or she is an elected official. By what standards are they measured? What is there qualification other than being first in a popularity contest? What is their knowledge of the law? What is the vetting process so they know the law of the land and definitions of certain things as pertaining to the law? ie, down here the term 'assault' has a definition under criminal law, as does a 'public place' etc....

2) True story. A person I worked with (no, he wasn't a friend, he was a bit of dick actually) in the 80s father was a captain in our SAS (version of your Green Berets). They had a war games exercise vs your Green Berets in Hawaii. Your guys 'killed' 17 of ours. Our guys 'killed' just over 70 of yours, including one poor sap who took a leak on a 'log', who happened to be a member of the SAS. Even the Viet Cong and NVA said they feared the Aussies in Viet Nam more than the US troops. Go figure...

3) A German think tank - last time I looked - put NZ on a 9.7 out of 10 on the incorruptibility scale. We came third after Finland somebody else. US was on about a 7.7. That just wasn't policing it was an overall score - politicians, public servants etc. That aside, whenever they did surveys in NZ about most trusted people the police, doctors and nurses always came out on top. Used car salesman and lawyers always on the bottom. Where do you think cops would come in the US on such a list?

4) The problem with you waiting for a reply is that your original question is erroneous...

Sometimes it happens that way. Sometimes luck plays a big part in battle. I'm a retired Green Beret myself and I discovered a few things. That prior planning prevented alot of screw ups in the field. But I also discovered that once you do an insertion burn the plan. We almost always had to do a FRAGO because our intel was screwed up.

I'm not gonna get into an argument about who's tougher or better fighters. I've worked with the Aussies and I think they've got alot going for them. One thing I noticed is they use common-sense alot more then our military. Politics doesn't overrule winning.

 

[Dr Grump]

Thanks for pointing out the fact I do not care about grammar usage nor does anyone else by looking at the mistakes made in most post.

I very rarely talk on grammar - if you can find even 5 posts out of the 9,000+ I've made on this board addressing the matter, I'd be very surprised. But when somebody consistently bickers, whines and whinges on and on and on about the leader of their country, but offers nothing but empty rhetoric, then you have to question their ability to debate.

So then it comes down to their ability to debate. So you look at their grammar, syntax and whether they can string sentences together and it all comes into place.

BTW, you wouldn't even pass the first of 14 entry-level tests to even QUALIFY to go to the police college in NZ if your current usage of grammar and lack of spelling ability is anything to go by. Like I said, unlike getting elected in a popularity contest, to become an LEO down here you actually have to have some pretty (high when I joined) standards...

 

[mudwhistle]

I would call him a snooty elitist pig but that would be acting the way he does.

I keep noticing Dr. Grumps admiration of intelligence. Seems to be a constant theme with the left: That intelligence makes one a better person and intelligence alone can solve everything. What a narcissist.


He is just so smart (in his mind)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhrfhjLd9e4

Gee, and I bet you're one of those neocon fucktards who are always whinging and whining about how the public school system sucks.

You think having intelligence is a bad thing? Retard...

Actually I like hanging with intelligent people as long as they don't let intelligence go to their heads.

 

[Dr Grump]

Actually I like hanging with intelligent people as long as they don't let intelligence go to their heads.

Who's letting intelligence get to their head? Not me...

Calling for a coherent, rational answer when somebody is spouting crap with nothing to back it up, is not letting intelligence go to one's head, it's asking somebody to stop being a dickhead...

 

[mudwhistle]

Actually I like hanging with intelligent people as long as they don't let intelligence go to their heads.

Who's letting intelligence get to their head? Not me...

Calling for a coherent, rational answer when somebody is spouting crap with nothing to back it up, is not letting intelligence go to one's head, it's asking somebody to stop being a dickhead...

What you want is an answer that you want to hear...not an honest answer.

The guys at the Parachute loft at 5th Group have a sign on their door that says:

"A mind is like a Parachute. It only works when it's open"

 

[Dr Grump]

What you want is an answer that you want to hear...not an honest answer.

Go back and reread the thread between bigreb and myself...the whole kit and kaboodle, and you'll see that you are wrong in your assumption...

...actually I'd love to hear a decent, well thought out solution to the current solution...a feasible one. Hell, even an infeasible one that seems feasible.

"Obama is to blame for the meltdown" is not an answer. It's a statement...with little or no facts to back it up....

 

[ClosedCaption]

Are ppl saying that it takes the same amount of time to stop a terror attack as it does to recover from a depression?

3rd time asking

 

[editec]

The simplistic notion that any POTUS can be held responsible for the macro economy is the root (and the mistaken given) of this debate.

We can hold them accountable for the laws they sign and the policies they impose, and that's about it.

Obama no more owns this economic meltdown than Bush II owned it.

 

[Cuyo]

*EASY* LESS Government.

Is it that HARD for some of you? REALLY?

I'm sorry, I don't speak Sloganeese. You'll have to be more specific. Especially because, by and large, this happened as a result of "Less Government."

No Slogan of it you ******* moron.

That's not even a sentence.