Obama Losing Independents - 2010 In Play

[Meister]

Also, except for B-1 Bob Dornan, I don't remember the congressional Repubs having so many Reps in Congress making their party look like a bunch of nuts.
One of the latest examples:

The Washington Monthly

The same could be said for the democratic party, it's not like they have a real high approval rating in the eyes of the American people.

No, they don't. They don't have as many reps making nutbags of themselves in public, either. Maybe that's why the Congressional GOP's poll numbers are still worse.

For the love of God...bad is bad. What your saying is my "D" grade is better than your
"D-". Get real, and yes, both parties have plenty of rep's that are nutjobs.

 

[EriktheRed]

For the love of God...bad is bad. What your saying is my 'D" grade is better than your
"D-". Get real, and yes, they have plenty of rep's that are nutjobs.

Well, comparing the relative strengths and weaknesses of the two main parties' positions is kinda the point of this thread, I thought.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Obama has not proven his citizenship, Tom Delay would have been the Republican saviour if it was not for the Democrats slander

Listen to the nut cases on this web site.

Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Joe the plumber. No wonder that the Republicans approval rating is slipping more than Obama's.

The Republicans need to jettison the nut cases and get back main stream conservatives.

 

[Meister]

Obama has not proven his citizenship, Tom Delay would have been the Republican saviour if it was not for the Democrats slander

Listen to the nut cases on this web site.

Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Joe the plumber. No wonder that the Republicans approval rating is slipping more than Obama's.

The Republicans need to jettison the nut cases and get back main stream conservatives.

Elmer the least you can do is bring some of your sources, if your going to make those accusations. At least your honest enough to admit that obama's numbers are slipping. But show me some stats on who's slipping faster.

 

[Meister]

For the love of God...bad is bad. What your saying is my 'D" grade is better than your
"D-". Get real, and yes, they have plenty of rep's that are nutjobs.

Well, comparing the relative strengths and weaknesses of the two main parties' positions is kinda the point of this thread, I thought.

Well, yeah....but your making it out like the dems are so much better. I'm making the point that they're both bad.
The thread is about the independents leaving the left side....they are during this particuliar time period....and there is a reason for it.

 

[Sinatra]

Interesting write-up in the Washington Examiner noting the clear trend of Independent voters away from Obama - the single largest voting group in the country...

Excerpt:

Independent voters are turning away from President Obama and his fellow Democrats in droves. And if they can't find a way to get them back, the party could be in deep trouble for 2010 and beyond.

Independents gave Obama the White House last year with a vote for pragmatic competence. They have been repaid with partisanship and dithering. And unlike liberals who Obama has quickly re-energized after their summer doldrums, independents are devilishly hard to win back once they lose faith.

The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, the Rolls-Royce of public surveys, showed that for the first time, independents disapproved of the president's performance, 46 percent to 41 percent...

Now, Obama is ignoring the desperate-sounding pleas of his hand-picked commander in Afghanistan, Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, for more troops.

We hear that Obama is waiting to see what happens next before deciding to continue with his own strategy of an Afghan surge. His team is reading a book about how the Kennedy administration was led astray by the military and holding a series of meetings about the way forward.

A flip-flop on what Obama called a "war of necessity" just last might well send the independents to the exits for good.


Independents desert Obama, putting 2010 in play | Washington Examiner

,,,

 

[Intense]

Lieberman lost his primary, refused to respect the wishes of the Democratic voters of his state, and ran third party. Is there any reason at all that he should expect to be welcomed with open arms?

Zell Miller picked the most public and embarrasing way possible to air his grievances. Even the most tolerant co-workers will give you the cold shoulders when you act in such a manner. He did bring that on himself.

As for Nader... Nader is Nader. Calling him a Democrat is kinda strange when Nader's platform has always been that both parties suck.

I'd really like to know what Ron Paul did to deserve such ire in the GOP.

He is So Right though. (Nader).

 

[Coloradomtnman]

Obama's losing liberals as well. If he keeps doing things like this, it'll be like Gore/Bush 2000 all over again only instead of Nader stealing liberal votes it'll be Ron Paul cause he'll let us smoke weed, dude, er, whatever.

 

[The Rabbi]

Wow. I guess revisionism starts even before the history books are written.

You got a good source to counter what Polk said?

Yeah.
Read any newspaper account of what happened.
Some things are easy.

 

[drsmith1072]

The funniest thing of all is that republicans are trying to claim that obama is losing independents this far out from an election as if it means anything and have offerered opinions in a failed attempt to substantiate their claims when their own favorite poll (rassmussen) shows no such shift. Yet the righties still ramble on letting no facts or counter arguments stand in the way of their rants. LOL

a troll who asks for facts, but doesn't bring any to the table himself. That is a hypocritical troll. Show us Quack...don't just talk the talk.

July 18, 2009, Among those not affiliated with either major party, 43% Strongly Disapprove.

August 23, 2009, Strongly Disapprove along with 49% of those not affiliated with either major party.

Sept. 14, 2009, those not affiliated with either major party, 43% offer a positive assessment and 56% give a negative review.
Demographic Notes - Barack Obama Approval Index - Rasmussen Reports™

LOL

Had to look this up becuase I was told i ran away from it when I never knew it existed. BTW thought I would point out to you that there is a HUGE difference between total disapproval and those who strongly disapprove. You can guarantee that there are more people TOTAL that disapprove than there are that strongly disapprove. I wonder why rassmussen words it that way and why their polling #s don't support the claim that independents are abandoning oboma? So meister since I was referring to rasmussens overall polling numbers what did i lie about?

 

[Sinatra]

Obama is losing Independent support.

From just a couple weeks ago...

Independents gave Obama the White House last year with a vote for pragmatic competence. They have been repaid with partisanship and dithering. And unlike liberals who Obama has quickly re-energized after their summer doldrums, independents are devilishly hard to win back once they lose faith.

The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, the Rolls-Royce of public surveys, showed that for the first time, independents disapproved of the president's performance, 46 percent to 41 percent.



Independents desert Obama, putting 2010 in play | Washington Examiner

 

[rightwinger]

Obama is losing Independent support.

From just a couple weeks ago...

Independents gave Obama the White House last year with a vote for pragmatic competence. They have been repaid with partisanship and dithering. And unlike liberals who Obama has quickly re-energized after their summer doldrums, independents are devilishly hard to win back once they lose faith.

The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, the Rolls-Royce of public surveys, showed that for the first time, independents disapproved of the president's performance, 46 percent to 41 percent.



Independents desert Obama, putting 2010 in play | Washington Examiner

And their view of republicans was???

 

[Meister]

The funniest thing of all is that republicans are trying to claim that obama is losing independents this far out from an election as if it means anything and have offerered opinions in a failed attempt to substantiate their claims when their own favorite poll (rassmussen) shows no such shift. Yet the righties still ramble on letting no facts or counter arguments stand in the way of their rants. LOL

a troll who asks for facts, but doesn't bring any to the table himself. That is a hypocritical troll. Show us Quack...don't just talk the talk.

July 18, 2009, Among those not affiliated with either major party, 43% Strongly Disapprove.

August 23, 2009, Strongly Disapprove along with 49% of those not affiliated with either major party.

Sept. 14, 2009, those not affiliated with either major party, 43% offer a positive assessment and 56% give a negative review.
Demographic Notes - Barack Obama Approval Index - Rasmussen Reports™

LOL

Had to look this up becuase I was told i ran away from it when I never knew it existed. BTW thought I would point out to you that there is a HUGE difference between total disapproval and those who strongly disapprove. You can guarantee that there are more people TOTAL that disapprove than there are that strongly disapprove. I wonder why rassmussen words it that way and why their polling #s don't support the claim that independents are abandoning oboma? So meister since I was referring to rasmussens overall polling numbers what did i lie about?

Where the hell is your proof that there is no shift? Your word? Any sources?

 

[Meister]

Obama is losing Independent support.

From just a couple weeks ago...

Independents gave Obama the White House last year with a vote for pragmatic competence. They have been repaid with partisanship and dithering. And unlike liberals who Obama has quickly re-energized after their summer doldrums, independents are devilishly hard to win back once they lose faith.

The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, the Rolls-Royce of public surveys, showed that for the first time, independents disapproved of the president's performance, 46 percent to 41 percent.





Independents desert Obama, putting 2010 in play | Washington Examiner

And their view of republicans was???

Might want to read the title of the thread. This is what people are posting about. "Obama losing Independents"

 

[rightwinger]

Obama is losing Independent support.

From just a couple weeks ago...

Independents gave Obama the White House last year with a vote for pragmatic competence. They have been repaid with partisanship and dithering. And unlike liberals who Obama has quickly re-energized after their summer doldrums, independents are devilishly hard to win back once they lose faith.

The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, the Rolls-Royce of public surveys, showed that for the first time, independents disapproved of the president's performance, 46 percent to 41 percent.





Independents desert Obama, putting 2010 in play | Washington Examiner

And their view of republicans was???

Might want to read the title of the thread. This is what people are posting about. "Obama losing Independents"

And my comment was...What is the view of INDEPENDENTS towards republicans?

In spite of more independents showing dissatisfaction with Obama, it hasn't resulted in a corresponding increase in Independent satisfaction with the republicans.

Bottom Line: republicans remain a party in exile and have done nothing to improve their popularity

 

[Sinatra]

And their view of republicans was???

Might want to read the title of the thread. This is what people are posting about. "Obama losing Independents"

And my comment was...What is the view of INDEPENDENTS towards republicans?

In spite of more independents showing dissatisfaction with Obama, it hasn't resulted in a corresponding increase in Independent satisfaction with the republicans.

Bottom Line: republicans remain a party in exile and have done nothing to improve their popularity

Whatever point you are making is irrelevent.

Independent support for Obama is down considerably.

The most comprehensive polling done recently, that of Rasmussen, shows those claiming to be Independent to have risen to over 30%. Those claiming Democrat affiliation is at 37.5% and those claiming Republican affiliation is just over 32%. The spread between Democrat and Republican is at its lowest level since the end of 2007. This spread was even more narrow over the summer months, but has since risen back to pre-summer levels.

It is the loss of Independents that will hurt both Obama and the Democrats most if they cannot remedy this trend. It's the Independent voters who decide elections.

Obama is losing Independents.


Partisan Trends - Rasmussen Reports™

 

[rightwinger]

Might want to read the title of the thread. This is what people are posting about. "Obama losing Independents"

And my comment was...What is the view of INDEPENDENTS towards republicans?

In spite of more independents showing dissatisfaction with Obama, it hasn't resulted in a corresponding increase in Independent satisfaction with the republicans.

Bottom Line: republicans remain a party in exile and have done nothing to improve their popularity

Whatever point you are making is irrelevent.

Independent support for Obama is down considerably.

The most comprehensive polling done recently, that of Rasmussen, shows those claiming to be Independent to have risen to over 30%. Those claiming Democrat affiliation is at 37.5% and those claiming Republican affiliation is just over 32%. The spread between Democrat and Republican is at its lowest level since the end of 2007. This spread was even more narrow over the summer months, but has since risen back to pre-summer levels.

It is the loss of Independents that will hurt both Obama and the Democrats most if they cannot remedy this trend. It's the Independent voters who decide elections.

Obama is losing Independents.


Partisan Trends - Rasmussen Reports™

And your claims are irrelevant unless the stumbling republicans see a corresponding increase in support from independents.

You see Obama has the advantage of getting to run against whatever stiff the republicans happen to nominate. Unless the Independents are willing to throw their support to the republican stiff, Obama's standing with Independents is irrelevant

 

[Sinatra]

And my comment was...What is the view of INDEPENDENTS towards republicans?

In spite of more independents showing dissatisfaction with Obama, it hasn't resulted in a corresponding increase in Independent satisfaction with the republicans.

Bottom Line: republicans remain a party in exile and have done nothing to improve their popularity

Whatever point you are making is irrelevent.

Independent support for Obama is down considerably.

The most comprehensive polling done recently, that of Rasmussen, shows those claiming to be Independent to have risen to over 30%. Those claiming Democrat affiliation is at 37.5% and those claiming Republican affiliation is just over 32%. The spread between Democrat and Republican is at its lowest level since the end of 2007. This spread was even more narrow over the summer months, but has since risen back to pre-summer levels.

It is the loss of Independents that will hurt both Obama and the Democrats most if they cannot remedy this trend. It's the Independent voters who decide elections.

Obama is losing Independents.


Partisan Trends - Rasmussen Reports™

And your claims are irrelevant unless the stumbling republicans see a corresponding increase in support from independents.

You see Obama has the advantage of getting to run against whatever stiff the republicans happen to nominate. Unless the Independents are willing to throw their support to the republican stiff, Obama's standing with Independents is irrelevant

The loss of Independent support, and the corresponding favorable margins for the Generic Ballot for Republicans since June of 2009 (the same time Independents started to pull away from supporting Obama) would indicate the setting is being primed for just such a possibility.

It may happen - and it may not, but the change in outlook is remarkable. The Republicans have gone from no chance, to good chance in 2010 - which of course, is the basis of this thread.

2012 is too far to project accurately yet - though I would agree Obama is still the likely winner if those elections were held today - but the margin would be much tighter than just six months ago...

 

[pete]

Interesting write-up in the Washington Examiner noting the clear trend of Independent voters away from Obama - the single largest voting group in the country...

Excerpt:

Independent voters are turning away from President Obama and his fellow Democrats in droves. And if they can't find a way to get them back, the party could be in deep trouble for 2010 and beyond.

Independents gave Obama the White House last year with a vote for pragmatic competence. They have been repaid with partisanship and dithering. And unlike liberals who Obama has quickly re-energized after their summer doldrums, independents are devilishly hard to win back once they lose faith.

The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, the Rolls-Royce of public surveys, showed that for the first time, independents disapproved of the president's performance, 46 percent to 41 percent...

Now, Obama is ignoring the desperate-sounding pleas of his hand-picked commander in Afghanistan, Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, for more troops.

We hear that Obama is waiting to see what happens next before deciding to continue with his own strategy of an Afghan surge. His team is reading a book about how the Kennedy administration was led astray by the military and holding a series of meetings about the way forward.

A flip-flop on what Obama called a "war of necessity" just last might well send the independents to the exits for good.


Independents desert Obama, putting 2010 in play | Washington Examiner

And to think that we have another 3+ years of him makes me nauseated, another 1/5 + million lost their jobs this week, with no job gains in sight, down right depressing for the unemployed.

How's that hope and change working out for you libs??????????????

The shit stain seems to keep hiring people in droves at our expense!

 

[Intense]

Wow. I guess revisionism starts even before the history books are written.

You got a good source to counter what Polk said?

Yeah.
Read any newspaper account of what happened.
Some things are easy.

Thats an Oxymoron, News Papers that actually report News! Unbelievable.