Obama is getting his wish... higher gas prices courtesy of Biden.. 13% increase in 1 month

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We have allowed new refineries to be built since the seventies.

The newest refineries currently operating in the United States

Year builtFirst operatedLocationOriginal ownerOriginal capacity b/cdCurrent owner2020 Capacity b/cd
20182019Channelview, TexasTarga Resources35,000Targa Resources35,000
20162017Corpus Christi, TexasMagellan Midstream Partners42,500Magellan Midstream Partners42,500
20152015Corpus Christi, TexasBuckeye Partners46,250Buckeye Partners60,000
20152015Houston, TexasPetromax Refining25,000Petromax Refining25,000
20142015
Dickinson, North Dakota
Dakota Prairie Refining19,000Marathon19,000
20142015Galena Park, TexasKinder Morgan42,000Kinder Morgan84,000
19981998Atmore, AlabamaGoodway4,100Goodway4,100
19931993Valdez, AlaskaPetro Star26,300Petro Star55,000
19911992Ely, NevadaPetro Source7,000Foreland2,000
19861987North Pole, AlaskaPetro Star6,700Petro Star19,700
19851986Prudhoe Bay, AlaskaARCO12,000ConocoPhillips15,000
19791980Wilmington, CaliforniaHuntway5,400Valero6,300
19781979Vicksburg, MississippiErgon10,000Ergon26,500
19781979North Slope, AlaskaARCO13,000BP Exploration, Alaska6,500
19771978Lake Charles, LouisianaCalcasieu6,500Calcasieu128,000
19761977Garyville, LouisianaMarathon200,000Marathon564,000
19761977Krotz Springs, LouisianaGold King5,000Delek80,000
19751975Corpus Christi, TexasSaber15,000Valero290,000

Funny....but what do they produce? 3000 gals of gas per day?
The last big refinery was built in 1977 in Garyville, LA. It produces 564,000 barrels fuel per day...more than all of those puny refineries produce put together.

From your link:

"However, the newest refinery with significant downstream unit capacity is Marathon's facility in Garyville, Louisiana. That facility came online in 1977 with an initial atmospheric distillation unit capacity of 200,000 b/cd, and as of January 1, 2020, it had a capacity of 578,000 b/cd."​
Note the comment...."with significant downstream unit capacity". So essentially.....those tiny refineries are a drop in the bucket in what is needed for producing enough gas for American consumers.....and thus are totally inconsequential to this discussion.
You are cherry picking info out of the link. You seem obsessed with this statement--"with significant downstream unit capacity" Garyville is capable of 200K bbls. What happens if that one refinery goes down. My link also disproved your statement that NO refinery has been built since the 70's when in fact, six have been built just since 2014 with a cumulative capacity of 200K bbls when built that has been increased to 265K bbls/day in 2020. What would you rather have--one refinery that can produce 200K that can be taken out with one disaster or six that can produce more that cannot be disabled so easily. Goes back to the old saying "Don't put all of your eggs in one basket." But, back to your original point in which you seem hell bent on fighting me over--It is all moot because CCP Joe IS the disaster that shut it all down and gasoline prices are skyrocketing as a result.
You're cherry-picking my post. Garyville was producing 578,000 in 2020, not 200K.
The information I gave you was that no refinery (that could produce anything of significance) was built in the 70s, which your reference verified.
And you also proved my point that much of our refinery capacity is isolated to only a small number of facilities.

So what exactly are you trying to prove other than that my claim was pretty much correct and that we are in a very serious state when it comes to energy production in the country.
I don't get it--I have supported your argument since the first post and you seem to be in a disagreeable mood. You argue with Surada who disagrees with your point that Biden had anything to do with the spike in gas prices and then you argue with me when I post links in support of your point. I think you are having a bad day and I'll talk to you again when you're in a better mood. Have a good one.
 

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We have allowed new refineries to be built since the seventies.

The newest refineries currently operating in the United States

Year builtFirst operatedLocationOriginal ownerOriginal capacity b/cdCurrent owner2020 Capacity b/cd
20182019Channelview, TexasTarga Resources35,000Targa Resources35,000
20162017Corpus Christi, TexasMagellan Midstream Partners42,500Magellan Midstream Partners42,500
20152015Corpus Christi, TexasBuckeye Partners46,250Buckeye Partners60,000
20152015Houston, TexasPetromax Refining25,000Petromax Refining25,000
20142015
Dickinson, North Dakota
Dakota Prairie Refining19,000Marathon19,000
20142015Galena Park, TexasKinder Morgan42,000Kinder Morgan84,000
19981998Atmore, AlabamaGoodway4,100Goodway4,100
19931993Valdez, AlaskaPetro Star26,300Petro Star55,000
19911992Ely, NevadaPetro Source7,000Foreland2,000
19861987North Pole, AlaskaPetro Star6,700Petro Star19,700
19851986Prudhoe Bay, AlaskaARCO12,000ConocoPhillips15,000
19791980Wilmington, CaliforniaHuntway5,400Valero6,300
19781979Vicksburg, MississippiErgon10,000Ergon26,500
19781979North Slope, AlaskaARCO13,000BP Exploration, Alaska6,500
19771978Lake Charles, LouisianaCalcasieu6,500Calcasieu128,000
19761977Garyville, LouisianaMarathon200,000Marathon564,000
19761977Krotz Springs, LouisianaGold King5,000Delek80,000
19751975Corpus Christi, TexasSaber15,000Valero290,000

Funny....but what do they produce? 3000 gals of gas per day?
The last big refinery was built in 1977 in Garyville, LA. It produces 564,000 barrels fuel per day...more than all of those puny refineries produce put together.

From your link:

"However, the newest refinery with significant downstream unit capacity is Marathon's facility in Garyville, Louisiana. That facility came online in 1977 with an initial atmospheric distillation unit capacity of 200,000 b/cd, and as of January 1, 2020, it had a capacity of 578,000 b/cd."​
Note the comment...."with significant downstream unit capacity". So essentially.....those tiny refineries are a drop in the bucket in what is needed for producing enough gas for American consumers.....and thus are totally inconsequential to this discussion.
You are cherry picking info out of the link. You seem obsessed with this statement--"with significant downstream unit capacity" Garyville is capable of 200K bbls. What happens if that one refinery goes down. My link also disproved your statement that NO refinery has been built since the 70's when in fact, six have been built just since 2014 with a cumulative capacity of 200K bbls when built that has been increased to 265K bbls/day in 2020. What would you rather have--one refinery that can produce 200K that can be taken out with one disaster or six that can produce more that cannot be disabled so easily. Goes back to the old saying "Don't put all of your eggs in one basket." But, back to your original point in which you seem hell bent on fighting me over--It is all moot because CCP Joe IS the disaster that shut it all down and gasoline prices are skyrocketing as a result.
You're cherry-picking my post. Garyville was producing 578,000 in 2020, not 200K.
The information I gave you was that no refinery (that could produce anything of significance) was built in the 70s, which your reference verified.
And you also proved my point that much of our refinery capacity is isolated to only a small number of facilities.

So what exactly are you trying to prove other than that my claim was pretty much correct and that we are in a very serious state when it comes to energy production in the country.
I don't get it--I have supported your argument since the first post and you seem to be in a disagreeable mood. You argue with Surada who disagrees with your point that Biden had anything to do with the spike in gas prices and then you argue with me when I post links in support of your point. I think you are having a bad day and I'll talk to you again when you're in a better mood. Have a good one.
I'm not the one red-flagging every one of my posts....you are.
 

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We have allowed new refineries to be built since the seventies.

The newest refineries currently operating in the United States

Year builtFirst operatedLocationOriginal ownerOriginal capacity b/cdCurrent owner2020 Capacity b/cd
20182019Channelview, TexasTarga Resources35,000Targa Resources35,000
20162017Corpus Christi, TexasMagellan Midstream Partners42,500Magellan Midstream Partners42,500
20152015Corpus Christi, TexasBuckeye Partners46,250Buckeye Partners60,000
20152015Houston, TexasPetromax Refining25,000Petromax Refining25,000
20142015
Dickinson, North Dakota
Dakota Prairie Refining19,000Marathon19,000
20142015Galena Park, TexasKinder Morgan42,000Kinder Morgan84,000
19981998Atmore, AlabamaGoodway4,100Goodway4,100
19931993Valdez, AlaskaPetro Star26,300Petro Star55,000
19911992Ely, NevadaPetro Source7,000Foreland2,000
19861987North Pole, AlaskaPetro Star6,700Petro Star19,700
19851986Prudhoe Bay, AlaskaARCO12,000ConocoPhillips15,000
19791980Wilmington, CaliforniaHuntway5,400Valero6,300
19781979Vicksburg, MississippiErgon10,000Ergon26,500
19781979North Slope, AlaskaARCO13,000BP Exploration, Alaska6,500
19771978Lake Charles, LouisianaCalcasieu6,500Calcasieu128,000
19761977Garyville, LouisianaMarathon200,000Marathon564,000
19761977Krotz Springs, LouisianaGold King5,000Delek80,000
19751975Corpus Christi, TexasSaber15,000Valero290,000

Funny....but what do they produce? 3000 gals of gas per day?
The last big refinery was built in 1977 in Garyville, LA. It produces 564,000 barrels fuel per day...more than all of those puny refineries produce put together.

From your link:

"However, the newest refinery with significant downstream unit capacity is Marathon's facility in Garyville, Louisiana. That facility came online in 1977 with an initial atmospheric distillation unit capacity of 200,000 b/cd, and as of January 1, 2020, it had a capacity of 578,000 b/cd."​
Note the comment...."with significant downstream unit capacity". So essentially.....those tiny refineries are a drop in the bucket in what is needed for producing enough gas for American consumers.....and thus are totally inconsequential to this discussion.
You are cherry picking info out of the link. You seem obsessed with this statement--"with significant downstream unit capacity" Garyville is capable of 200K bbls. What happens if that one refinery goes down. My link also disproved your statement that NO refinery has been built since the 70's when in fact, six have been built just since 2014 with a cumulative capacity of 200K bbls when built that has been increased to 265K bbls/day in 2020. What would you rather have--one refinery that can produce 200K that can be taken out with one disaster or six that can produce more that cannot be disabled so easily. Goes back to the old saying "Don't put all of your eggs in one basket." But, back to your original point in which you seem hell bent on fighting me over--It is all moot because CCP Joe IS the disaster that shut it all down and gasoline prices are skyrocketing as a result.
You're cherry-picking my post. Garyville was producing 578,000 in 2020, not 200K.
The information I gave you was that no refinery (that could produce anything of significance) was built in the 70s, which your reference verified.
And you also proved my point that much of our refinery capacity is isolated to only a small number of facilities.

So what exactly are you trying to prove other than that my claim was pretty much correct and that we are in a very serious state when it comes to energy production in the country.
I don't get it--I have supported your argument since the first post and you seem to be in a disagreeable mood. You argue with Surada who disagrees with your point that Biden had anything to do with the spike in gas prices and then you argue with me when I post links in support of your point. I think you are having a bad day and I'll talk to you again when you're in a better mood. Have a good one.
I'm not the one red-flagging every one of my posts....you are.
Again, you are mistaken. I disagreed with ONE of your posts. Maybe you should go back and look over the thread. I disagreed with every one of Surada's posts--Are you the same person? You are misreading and very defensive.
 

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Harwood: So could these high prices help us?
Obama: I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment.

The Biden administration has suspended new leasing for fossil fuel production on federal lands and waters,
as well as the issuance of new drilling permits, in what could be a major blow to Texas's oil industry.

View attachment 463656
Oil was -$8.00 a barrel back in like April. What caused it to go up so much during the tRump administration?
Again... you don't supply ANY proof of your totally out of whack statement.
Exactly where did you get that oil at $8.00/barrel?
FACTS with LINKS.
Where in the below chart in the last 5 years was oil at $8.00 a barrel?
View attachment 463725
Not 8, negative 8.

I am going to do something I'm 100% confident you will never do.
Admit I was wrong. Your link was accurate. I didn't go deep enough.
I was wrong. That doesn't though excuse the fact it took my continual requesting for links. I don't understand why
it is so difficult to provide a link.
Again something I'm 100% confident you will never do...admit I was wrong. But that is what people like me do.
We make mistakes for sure. We are not pompous enough to provide statements with out links or not admit when we are wrong!
If it happens that I'm wrong, I will admit it. And I won't even be a self impressed asswipe while doing it. Unlike certain people^.
 

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We have allowed new refineries to be built since the seventies.

The newest refineries currently operating in the United States

Year builtFirst operatedLocationOriginal ownerOriginal capacity b/cdCurrent owner2020 Capacity b/cd
20182019Channelview, TexasTarga Resources35,000Targa Resources35,000
20162017Corpus Christi, TexasMagellan Midstream Partners42,500Magellan Midstream Partners42,500
20152015Corpus Christi, TexasBuckeye Partners46,250Buckeye Partners60,000
20152015Houston, TexasPetromax Refining25,000Petromax Refining25,000
20142015
Dickinson, North Dakota
Dakota Prairie Refining19,000Marathon19,000
20142015Galena Park, TexasKinder Morgan42,000Kinder Morgan84,000
19981998Atmore, AlabamaGoodway4,100Goodway4,100
19931993Valdez, AlaskaPetro Star26,300Petro Star55,000
19911992Ely, NevadaPetro Source7,000Foreland2,000
19861987North Pole, AlaskaPetro Star6,700Petro Star19,700
19851986Prudhoe Bay, AlaskaARCO12,000ConocoPhillips15,000
19791980Wilmington, CaliforniaHuntway5,400Valero6,300
19781979Vicksburg, MississippiErgon10,000Ergon26,500
19781979North Slope, AlaskaARCO13,000BP Exploration, Alaska6,500
19771978Lake Charles, LouisianaCalcasieu6,500Calcasieu128,000
19761977Garyville, LouisianaMarathon200,000Marathon564,000
19761977Krotz Springs, LouisianaGold King5,000Delek80,000
19751975Corpus Christi, TexasSaber15,000Valero290,000

Funny....but what do they produce? 3000 gals of gas per day?
The last big refinery was built in 1977 in Garyville, LA. It produces 564,000 barrels fuel per day...more than all of those puny refineries produce put together.

From your link:

"However, the newest refinery with significant downstream unit capacity is Marathon's facility in Garyville, Louisiana. That facility came online in 1977 with an initial atmospheric distillation unit capacity of 200,000 b/cd, and as of January 1, 2020, it had a capacity of 578,000 b/cd."​
Note the comment...."with significant downstream unit capacity". So essentially.....those tiny refineries are a drop in the bucket in what is needed for producing enough gas for American consumers.....and thus are totally inconsequential to this discussion.
You are cherry picking info out of the link. You seem obsessed with this statement--"with significant downstream unit capacity" Garyville is capable of 200K bbls. What happens if that one refinery goes down. My link also disproved your statement that NO refinery has been built since the 70's when in fact, six have been built just since 2014 with a cumulative capacity of 200K bbls when built that has been increased to 265K bbls/day in 2020. What would you rather have--one refinery that can produce 200K that can be taken out with one disaster or six that can produce more that cannot be disabled so easily. Goes back to the old saying "Don't put all of your eggs in one basket." But, back to your original point in which you seem hell bent on fighting me over--It is all moot because CCP Joe IS the disaster that shut it all down and gasoline prices are skyrocketing as a result.
You're cherry-picking my post. Garyville was producing 578,000 in 2020, not 200K.
The information I gave you was that no refinery (that could produce anything of significance) was built in the 70s, which your reference verified.
And you also proved my point that much of our refinery capacity is isolated to only a small number of facilities.

So what exactly are you trying to prove other than that my claim was pretty much correct and that we are in a very serious state when it comes to energy production in the country.
I don't get it--I have supported your argument since the first post and you seem to be in a disagreeable mood. You argue with Surada who disagrees with your point that Biden had anything to do with the spike in gas prices and then you argue with me when I post links in support of your point. I think you are having a bad day and I'll talk to you again when you're in a better mood. Have a good one.
I'm not the one red-flagging every one of my posts....you are.
Again, you are mistaken. I disagreed with ONE of your posts. Maybe you should go back and look over the thread. I disagreed with every one of Surada's posts--Are you the same person? You are misreading and very defensive.
Maybe YOU need to go back.....I count TWO disagrees....not one.
 
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Harwood: So could these high prices help us?
Obama: I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment.

The Biden administration has suspended new leasing for fossil fuel production on federal lands and waters,
as well as the issuance of new drilling permits, in what could be a major blow to Texas's oil industry.

View attachment 463656
Oil was -$8.00 a barrel back in like April. What caused it to go up so much during the tRump administration?
Again... you don't supply ANY proof of your totally out of whack statement.
Exactly where did you get that oil at $8.00/barrel?
FACTS with LINKS.
Where in the below chart in the last 5 years was oil at $8.00 a barrel?
View attachment 463725
Not 8, negative 8.

I am going to do something I'm 100% confident you will never do.
Admit I was wrong. Your link was accurate. I didn't go deep enough.
I was wrong. That doesn't though excuse the fact it took my continual requesting for links. I don't understand why
it is so difficult to provide a link.
Again something I'm 100% confident you will never do...admit I was wrong. But that is what people like me do.
We make mistakes for sure. We are not pompous enough to provide statements with out links or not admit when we are wrong!
If it happens that I'm wrong, I will admit it. And I won't even be a self impressed asswipe while doing it. Unlike certain people^.
Well you were wrong. You didn't provide a link which is WRONG because you are some pompous you think you can't be wrong! You will find anything to make a mistake you made convoluting the information to twist so you weren't.
I admit I don't have any proof of that primarily because I don't usually follow your comments as they are so pompous because you don't provide any links.
 

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They are plotting to raise fuel prices very high. since Pres. Trump brought fuel prices down so low. That it is hard for them to raise it back up the way it was.
And so they are going to create another false flag Exxon Valdez oil spill in order to bring prices back up without the complaints on both sides.
if the Keystone XL pipeline get damaged and spill out oil. That the cost to clean up the spill will be a lot cheaper than cleaning up an ocean spill, and easier to manage. But this will be their excuse to go green.






 

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