Obama is getting his wish... higher gas prices courtesy of Biden.. 13% increase in 1 month

[Concerned American]

We have allowed new refineries to be built since the seventies.

The newest refineries currently operating in the United States

Year built	First operated	Location	Original owner	Original capacity b/cd	Current owner	2020 Capacity b/cd
2018	2019	Channelview, Texas	Targa Resources	35,000	Targa Resources	35,000
2016	2017	Corpus Christi, Texas	Magellan Midstream Partners	42,500	Magellan Midstream Partners	42,500
2015	2015	Corpus Christi, Texas	Buckeye Partners	46,250	Buckeye Partners	60,000
2015	2015	Houston, Texas	Petromax Refining	25,000	Petromax Refining	25,000
2014	2015	Dickinson, North Dakota	Dakota Prairie Refining	19,000	Marathon	19,000
2014	2015	Galena Park, Texas	Kinder Morgan	42,000	Kinder Morgan	84,000
1998	1998	Atmore, Alabama	Goodway	4,100	Goodway	4,100
1993	1993	Valdez, Alaska	Petro Star	26,300	Petro Star	55,000
1991	1992	Ely, Nevada	Petro Source	7,000	Foreland	2,000
1986	1987	North Pole, Alaska	Petro Star	6,700	Petro Star	19,700
1985	1986	Prudhoe Bay, Alaska	ARCO	12,000	ConocoPhillips	15,000
1979	1980	Wilmington, California	Huntway	5,400	Valero	6,300
1978	1979	Vicksburg, Mississippi	Ergon	10,000	Ergon	26,500
1978	1979	North Slope, Alaska	ARCO	13,000	BP Exploration, Alaska	6,500
1977	1978	Lake Charles, Louisiana	Calcasieu	6,500	Calcasieu	128,000
1976	1977	Garyville, Louisiana	Marathon	200,000	Marathon	564,000
1976	1977	Krotz Springs, Louisiana	Gold King	5,000	Delek	80,000
1975	1975	Corpus Christi, Texas	Saber	15,000	Valero	290,000

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

Funny....but what do they produce? 3000 gals of gas per day?
The last big refinery was built in 1977 in Garyville, LA. It produces 564,000 barrels fuel per day...more than all of those puny refineries produce put together.

From your link:

"However, the newest refinery with significant downstream unit capacity is Marathon's facility in Garyville, Louisiana. That facility came online in 1977 with an initial atmospheric distillation unit capacity of 200,000 b/cd, and as of January 1, 2020, it had a capacity of 578,000 b/cd."​

​

Note the comment...."with significant downstream unit capacity". So essentially.....those tiny refineries are a drop in the bucket in what is needed for producing enough gas for American consumers.....and thus are totally inconsequential to this discussion.

You are cherry picking info out of the link. You seem obsessed with this statement--"with significant downstream unit capacity" Garyville is capable of 200K bbls. What happens if that one refinery goes down. My link also disproved your statement that NO refinery has been built since the 70's when in fact, six have been built just since 2014 with a cumulative capacity of 200K bbls when built that has been increased to 265K bbls/day in 2020. What would you rather have--one refinery that can produce 200K that can be taken out with one disaster or six that can produce more that cannot be disabled so easily. Goes back to the old saying "Don't put all of your eggs in one basket." But, back to your original point in which you seem hell bent on fighting me over--It is all moot because CCP Joe IS the disaster that shut it all down and gasoline prices are skyrocketing as a result.

You're cherry-picking my post. Garyville was producing 578,000 in 2020, not 200K.
The information I gave you was that no refinery (that could produce anything of significance) was built in the 70s, which your reference verified.
And you also proved my point that much of our refinery capacity is isolated to only a small number of facilities.

So what exactly are you trying to prove other than that my claim was pretty much correct and that we are in a very serious state when it comes to energy production in the country.

I don't get it--I have supported your argument since the first post and you seem to be in a disagreeable mood. You argue with Surada who disagrees with your point that Biden had anything to do with the spike in gas prices and then you argue with me when I post links in support of your point. I think you are having a bad day and I'll talk to you again when you're in a better mood. Have a good one.

 

[mudwhistle]

We have allowed new refineries to be built since the seventies.

The newest refineries currently operating in the United States

Year built	First operated	Location	Original owner	Original capacity b/cd	Current owner	2020 Capacity b/cd
2018	2019	Channelview, Texas	Targa Resources	35,000	Targa Resources	35,000
2016	2017	Corpus Christi, Texas	Magellan Midstream Partners	42,500	Magellan Midstream Partners	42,500
2015	2015	Corpus Christi, Texas	Buckeye Partners	46,250	Buckeye Partners	60,000
2015	2015	Houston, Texas	Petromax Refining	25,000	Petromax Refining	25,000
2014	2015	Dickinson, North Dakota	Dakota Prairie Refining	19,000	Marathon	19,000
2014	2015	Galena Park, Texas	Kinder Morgan	42,000	Kinder Morgan	84,000
1998	1998	Atmore, Alabama	Goodway	4,100	Goodway	4,100
1993	1993	Valdez, Alaska	Petro Star	26,300	Petro Star	55,000
1991	1992	Ely, Nevada	Petro Source	7,000	Foreland	2,000
1986	1987	North Pole, Alaska	Petro Star	6,700	Petro Star	19,700
1985	1986	Prudhoe Bay, Alaska	ARCO	12,000	ConocoPhillips	15,000
1979	1980	Wilmington, California	Huntway	5,400	Valero	6,300
1978	1979	Vicksburg, Mississippi	Ergon	10,000	Ergon	26,500
1978	1979	North Slope, Alaska	ARCO	13,000	BP Exploration, Alaska	6,500
1977	1978	Lake Charles, Louisiana	Calcasieu	6,500	Calcasieu	128,000
1976	1977	Garyville, Louisiana	Marathon	200,000	Marathon	564,000
1976	1977	Krotz Springs, Louisiana	Gold King	5,000	Delek	80,000
1975	1975	Corpus Christi, Texas	Saber	15,000	Valero	290,000

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

Funny....but what do they produce? 3000 gals of gas per day?
The last big refinery was built in 1977 in Garyville, LA. It produces 564,000 barrels fuel per day...more than all of those puny refineries produce put together.

From your link:

"However, the newest refinery with significant downstream unit capacity is Marathon's facility in Garyville, Louisiana. That facility came online in 1977 with an initial atmospheric distillation unit capacity of 200,000 b/cd, and as of January 1, 2020, it had a capacity of 578,000 b/cd."​

​

Note the comment...."with significant downstream unit capacity". So essentially.....those tiny refineries are a drop in the bucket in what is needed for producing enough gas for American consumers.....and thus are totally inconsequential to this discussion.

You are cherry picking info out of the link. You seem obsessed with this statement--"with significant downstream unit capacity" Garyville is capable of 200K bbls. What happens if that one refinery goes down. My link also disproved your statement that NO refinery has been built since the 70's when in fact, six have been built just since 2014 with a cumulative capacity of 200K bbls when built that has been increased to 265K bbls/day in 2020. What would you rather have--one refinery that can produce 200K that can be taken out with one disaster or six that can produce more that cannot be disabled so easily. Goes back to the old saying "Don't put all of your eggs in one basket." But, back to your original point in which you seem hell bent on fighting me over--It is all moot because CCP Joe IS the disaster that shut it all down and gasoline prices are skyrocketing as a result.

You're cherry-picking my post. Garyville was producing 578,000 in 2020, not 200K.
The information I gave you was that no refinery (that could produce anything of significance) was built in the 70s, which your reference verified.
And you also proved my point that much of our refinery capacity is isolated to only a small number of facilities.

So what exactly are you trying to prove other than that my claim was pretty much correct and that we are in a very serious state when it comes to energy production in the country.

I don't get it--I have supported your argument since the first post and you seem to be in a disagreeable mood. You argue with Surada who disagrees with your point that Biden had anything to do with the spike in gas prices and then you argue with me when I post links in support of your point. I think you are having a bad day and I'll talk to you again when you're in a better mood. Have a good one.

I'm not the one red-flagging every one of my posts....you are.

 

[Concerned American]

We have allowed new refineries to be built since the seventies.

The newest refineries currently operating in the United States

Year built	First operated	Location	Original owner	Original capacity b/cd	Current owner	2020 Capacity b/cd
2018	2019	Channelview, Texas	Targa Resources	35,000	Targa Resources	35,000
2016	2017	Corpus Christi, Texas	Magellan Midstream Partners	42,500	Magellan Midstream Partners	42,500
2015	2015	Corpus Christi, Texas	Buckeye Partners	46,250	Buckeye Partners	60,000
2015	2015	Houston, Texas	Petromax Refining	25,000	Petromax Refining	25,000
2014	2015	Dickinson, North Dakota	Dakota Prairie Refining	19,000	Marathon	19,000
2014	2015	Galena Park, Texas	Kinder Morgan	42,000	Kinder Morgan	84,000
1998	1998	Atmore, Alabama	Goodway	4,100	Goodway	4,100
1993	1993	Valdez, Alaska	Petro Star	26,300	Petro Star	55,000
1991	1992	Ely, Nevada	Petro Source	7,000	Foreland	2,000
1986	1987	North Pole, Alaska	Petro Star	6,700	Petro Star	19,700
1985	1986	Prudhoe Bay, Alaska	ARCO	12,000	ConocoPhillips	15,000
1979	1980	Wilmington, California	Huntway	5,400	Valero	6,300
1978	1979	Vicksburg, Mississippi	Ergon	10,000	Ergon	26,500
1978	1979	North Slope, Alaska	ARCO	13,000	BP Exploration, Alaska	6,500
1977	1978	Lake Charles, Louisiana	Calcasieu	6,500	Calcasieu	128,000
1976	1977	Garyville, Louisiana	Marathon	200,000	Marathon	564,000
1976	1977	Krotz Springs, Louisiana	Gold King	5,000	Delek	80,000
1975	1975	Corpus Christi, Texas	Saber	15,000	Valero	290,000

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

Funny....but what do they produce? 3000 gals of gas per day?
The last big refinery was built in 1977 in Garyville, LA. It produces 564,000 barrels fuel per day...more than all of those puny refineries produce put together.

From your link:

"However, the newest refinery with significant downstream unit capacity is Marathon's facility in Garyville, Louisiana. That facility came online in 1977 with an initial atmospheric distillation unit capacity of 200,000 b/cd, and as of January 1, 2020, it had a capacity of 578,000 b/cd."​

​

Note the comment...."with significant downstream unit capacity". So essentially.....those tiny refineries are a drop in the bucket in what is needed for producing enough gas for American consumers.....and thus are totally inconsequential to this discussion.

You are cherry picking info out of the link. You seem obsessed with this statement--"with significant downstream unit capacity" Garyville is capable of 200K bbls. What happens if that one refinery goes down. My link also disproved your statement that NO refinery has been built since the 70's when in fact, six have been built just since 2014 with a cumulative capacity of 200K bbls when built that has been increased to 265K bbls/day in 2020. What would you rather have--one refinery that can produce 200K that can be taken out with one disaster or six that can produce more that cannot be disabled so easily. Goes back to the old saying "Don't put all of your eggs in one basket." But, back to your original point in which you seem hell bent on fighting me over--It is all moot because CCP Joe IS the disaster that shut it all down and gasoline prices are skyrocketing as a result.

You're cherry-picking my post. Garyville was producing 578,000 in 2020, not 200K.
The information I gave you was that no refinery (that could produce anything of significance) was built in the 70s, which your reference verified.
And you also proved my point that much of our refinery capacity is isolated to only a small number of facilities.

So what exactly are you trying to prove other than that my claim was pretty much correct and that we are in a very serious state when it comes to energy production in the country.

I don't get it--I have supported your argument since the first post and you seem to be in a disagreeable mood. You argue with Surada who disagrees with your point that Biden had anything to do with the spike in gas prices and then you argue with me when I post links in support of your point. I think you are having a bad day and I'll talk to you again when you're in a better mood. Have a good one.

I'm not the one red-flagging every one of my posts....you are.

Again, you are mistaken. I disagreed with ONE of your posts. Maybe you should go back and look over the thread. I disagreed with every one of Surada's posts--Are you the same person? You are misreading and very defensive.

 

[Crepitus]

Harwood: So could these high prices help us?
Obama: I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment.

Obama Wanted Higher Gasoline Prices? - FactCheck.org

Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich have repeatedly lifted several quotes out of context to allege that President Barack Obama and his administration actually wanted to drive up the price of gasoline, and have succeeded. Gingrich said Obama wants gasoline prices to...

www.factcheck.org

The Biden administration has suspended new leasing for fossil fuel production on federal lands and waters,
as well as the issuance of new drilling permits, in what could be a major blow to Texas's oil industry.

Biden suspends federal oil and gas leasing for 60 days

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Oil was -$8.00 a barrel back in like April. What caused it to go up so much during the tRump administration?

Again... you don't supply ANY proof of your totally out of whack statement.
Exactly where did you get that oil at $8.00/barrel?
FACTS with LINKS.
Where in the below chart in the last 5 years was oil at $8.00 a barrel?

Crude Oil Prices - 70 Year Historical Chart

Interactive charts of West Texas Intermediate (WTI or NYMEX) crude oil prices per barrel back to 1946. The price of oil shown is adjusted for inflation using the headline CPI and is shown by default on a logarithmic scale. The current month is updated on an hourly basis with today's latest value.

www.macrotrends.net

View attachment 463725

Not 8, negative 8.

Making History: Coronavirus and Negative Oil Prices | Global Risk Insights

Since the beginning of the Coronavirus pandemic, there has been a loss of 1/3rd global demand - more than 30 million barrels per day (BPD). The virus instilled a level of uncertainty for oil traders, but the catalyst for the initial drop in price can be attributed to the escalating price war...

globalriskinsights.com

I am going to do something I'm 100% confident you will never do.
Admit I was wrong. Your link was accurate. I didn't go deep enough.
I was wrong. That doesn't though excuse the fact it took my continual requesting for links. I don't understand why
it is so difficult to provide a link.
Again something I'm 100% confident you will never do...admit I was wrong. But that is what people like me do.
We make mistakes for sure. We are not pompous enough to provide statements with out links or not admit when we are wrong!

If it happens that I'm wrong, I will admit it. And I won't even be a self impressed asswipe while doing it. Unlike certain people^.

 

[mudwhistle]

We have allowed new refineries to be built since the seventies.

The newest refineries currently operating in the United States

Year built	First operated	Location	Original owner	Original capacity b/cd	Current owner	2020 Capacity b/cd
2018	2019	Channelview, Texas	Targa Resources	35,000	Targa Resources	35,000
2016	2017	Corpus Christi, Texas	Magellan Midstream Partners	42,500	Magellan Midstream Partners	42,500
2015	2015	Corpus Christi, Texas	Buckeye Partners	46,250	Buckeye Partners	60,000
2015	2015	Houston, Texas	Petromax Refining	25,000	Petromax Refining	25,000
2014	2015	Dickinson, North Dakota	Dakota Prairie Refining	19,000	Marathon	19,000
2014	2015	Galena Park, Texas	Kinder Morgan	42,000	Kinder Morgan	84,000
1998	1998	Atmore, Alabama	Goodway	4,100	Goodway	4,100
1993	1993	Valdez, Alaska	Petro Star	26,300	Petro Star	55,000
1991	1992	Ely, Nevada	Petro Source	7,000	Foreland	2,000
1986	1987	North Pole, Alaska	Petro Star	6,700	Petro Star	19,700
1985	1986	Prudhoe Bay, Alaska	ARCO	12,000	ConocoPhillips	15,000
1979	1980	Wilmington, California	Huntway	5,400	Valero	6,300
1978	1979	Vicksburg, Mississippi	Ergon	10,000	Ergon	26,500
1978	1979	North Slope, Alaska	ARCO	13,000	BP Exploration, Alaska	6,500
1977	1978	Lake Charles, Louisiana	Calcasieu	6,500	Calcasieu	128,000
1976	1977	Garyville, Louisiana	Marathon	200,000	Marathon	564,000
1976	1977	Krotz Springs, Louisiana	Gold King	5,000	Delek	80,000
1975	1975	Corpus Christi, Texas	Saber	15,000	Valero	290,000

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

Funny....but what do they produce? 3000 gals of gas per day?
The last big refinery was built in 1977 in Garyville, LA. It produces 564,000 barrels fuel per day...more than all of those puny refineries produce put together.

From your link:

"However, the newest refinery with significant downstream unit capacity is Marathon's facility in Garyville, Louisiana. That facility came online in 1977 with an initial atmospheric distillation unit capacity of 200,000 b/cd, and as of January 1, 2020, it had a capacity of 578,000 b/cd."​

​

Note the comment...."with significant downstream unit capacity". So essentially.....those tiny refineries are a drop in the bucket in what is needed for producing enough gas for American consumers.....and thus are totally inconsequential to this discussion.

You are cherry picking info out of the link. You seem obsessed with this statement--"with significant downstream unit capacity" Garyville is capable of 200K bbls. What happens if that one refinery goes down. My link also disproved your statement that NO refinery has been built since the 70's when in fact, six have been built just since 2014 with a cumulative capacity of 200K bbls when built that has been increased to 265K bbls/day in 2020. What would you rather have--one refinery that can produce 200K that can be taken out with one disaster or six that can produce more that cannot be disabled so easily. Goes back to the old saying "Don't put all of your eggs in one basket." But, back to your original point in which you seem hell bent on fighting me over--It is all moot because CCP Joe IS the disaster that shut it all down and gasoline prices are skyrocketing as a result.

You're cherry-picking my post. Garyville was producing 578,000 in 2020, not 200K.
The information I gave you was that no refinery (that could produce anything of significance) was built in the 70s, which your reference verified.
And you also proved my point that much of our refinery capacity is isolated to only a small number of facilities.

So what exactly are you trying to prove other than that my claim was pretty much correct and that we are in a very serious state when it comes to energy production in the country.

I don't get it--I have supported your argument since the first post and you seem to be in a disagreeable mood. You argue with Surada who disagrees with your point that Biden had anything to do with the spike in gas prices and then you argue with me when I post links in support of your point. I think you are having a bad day and I'll talk to you again when you're in a better mood. Have a good one.

I'm not the one red-flagging every one of my posts....you are.

Again, you are mistaken. I disagreed with ONE of your posts. Maybe you should go back and look over the thread. I disagreed with every one of Surada's posts--Are you the same person? You are misreading and very defensive.

Maybe YOU need to go back.....I count TWO disagrees....not one.

 

[healthmyths]

Harwood: So could these high prices help us?
Obama: I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment.

Obama Wanted Higher Gasoline Prices? - FactCheck.org

Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich have repeatedly lifted several quotes out of context to allege that President Barack Obama and his administration actually wanted to drive up the price of gasoline, and have succeeded. Gingrich said Obama wants gasoline prices to...

www.factcheck.org

The Biden administration has suspended new leasing for fossil fuel production on federal lands and waters,
as well as the issuance of new drilling permits, in what could be a major blow to Texas's oil industry.

Biden suspends federal oil and gas leasing for 60 days

View attachment 463656

Oil was -$8.00 a barrel back in like April. What caused it to go up so much during the tRump administration?

Again... you don't supply ANY proof of your totally out of whack statement.
Exactly where did you get that oil at $8.00/barrel?
FACTS with LINKS.
Where in the below chart in the last 5 years was oil at $8.00 a barrel?

Crude Oil Prices - 70 Year Historical Chart

Interactive charts of West Texas Intermediate (WTI or NYMEX) crude oil prices per barrel back to 1946. The price of oil shown is adjusted for inflation using the headline CPI and is shown by default on a logarithmic scale. The current month is updated on an hourly basis with today's latest value.

www.macrotrends.net

View attachment 463725

Not 8, negative 8.

Making History: Coronavirus and Negative Oil Prices | Global Risk Insights

Since the beginning of the Coronavirus pandemic, there has been a loss of 1/3rd global demand - more than 30 million barrels per day (BPD). The virus instilled a level of uncertainty for oil traders, but the catalyst for the initial drop in price can be attributed to the escalating price war...

globalriskinsights.com

I am going to do something I'm 100% confident you will never do.
Admit I was wrong. Your link was accurate. I didn't go deep enough.
I was wrong. That doesn't though excuse the fact it took my continual requesting for links. I don't understand why
it is so difficult to provide a link.
Again something I'm 100% confident you will never do...admit I was wrong. But that is what people like me do.
We make mistakes for sure. We are not pompous enough to provide statements with out links or not admit when we are wrong!

If it happens that I'm wrong, I will admit it. And I won't even be a self impressed asswipe while doing it. Unlike certain people^.

Well you were wrong. You didn't provide a link which is WRONG because you are some pompous you think you can't be wrong! You will find anything to make a mistake you made convoluting the information to twist so you weren't.
I admit I don't have any proof of that primarily because I don't usually follow your comments as they are so pompous because you don't provide any links.

 

[Aletheia4u]

They are plotting to raise fuel prices very high. since Pres. Trump brought fuel prices down so low. That it is hard for them to raise it back up the way it was.
And so they are going to create another false flag Exxon Valdez oil spill in order to bring prices back up without the complaints on both sides.
if the Keystone XL pipeline get damaged and spill out oil. That the cost to clean up the spill will be a lot cheaper than cleaning up an ocean spill, and easier to manage. But this will be their excuse to go green.

Gasoline Prices Rise Sharply On West Coast After Oil Spill (Published 1989)

www.nytimes.com

As Oil Spill Spreads to Gulf Coast, Will Gas Prices Go Up?

Oil from the exploded rig is flooding the Gulf of Mexico at a rate of 5,000 barrels a day; it hit the Gulf States this morning.

www.cbsnews.com

An Explosion in Philadelphia Could Make Your Fourth of July More Expensive

Gas prices are likely to rise after a fire at the east coast's largest refinery

time.com

 

[initforme]

I trust big oil about as much as I trust pinnochio.