Obama is a SELLOUT!!!!!!!!!

[ABikerSailor]

What a bunch of dumb whining ***** on this thread. All too many of the posts critisizing President Obama in the past have had very racist overtones.

The whole point of the expiration of the tax cuts is the deficit. If the cuts expire for all, the deficit is far less. If it is extended for all, we just continue the spiral into catastrophic debt. However, the continued defense of the tax cuts for the wealthy by the Conservatives on this board demonstrate the basic hypocrisy of their position.

Hey......I'm criticizing the fact that he sold out to the Greedy Old People.

It was the GOP that made posters of him as a tribal witchdoctor and made those racist Obama bucks.

I don't think the Dems have done that to him yet.

 

[Jarhead]

What a bunch of dumb whining ***** on this thread. All too many of the posts critisizing President Obama in the past have had very racist overtones.

The whole point of the expiration of the tax cuts is the deficit. If the cuts expire for all, the deficit is far less. If it is extended for all, we just continue the spiral into catastrophic debt. However, the continued defense of the tax cuts for the wealthy by the Conservatives on this board demonstrate the basic hypocrisy of their position.

Depends how you look at it.
I defend the tax cuts for all Americans and I believe the best way to deal with the debt and deficit is to cut out many government progrmas that should not be in play to begin with.

And just for clarification...it is not tax cuts for the wealthy....that is political rhetoric. It is tax cuts for those that have the ability to create jobs. It is known as supply side economics...a theory that is credible....maybe not agreeable by all, but credible non the less.

Now before you say "what jobs did they create when they got the tax cuts to begin with....I will repeat what I said earlier...

in 2000 tens of thousands of jobs were lost due to the dot com bubble burst.
Since 2000, changes in technology elimninated the need for large research departments, large mailrooms, delivery services, extensive travel, large switchboard staffs, secretaries, copy room staffs....etc...etc...etc
Since 2000, the population increased.
Yet....
the unemployment numbers were more than adequate (until the recession)...

So, whereas net jobs may not have shown an increase, plenty of jobs were created.

So yes, the tax cuts to the business owners DID work.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I have a somewhat different perspective. I think if he succeeds in his agenda, he loses in 2012. If the GOP prevents him from succeeding in his agenda, he will get the credit for a more acceptable course and will likely be re-elected in 2012. That's exactly what happened with Bill Clinton. Without the GOP revolution of 1994, he was headed into a miserably failed presidency. But the GOP made him look pretty good and, in my opinion, saved his presidency.

Clinton won in 96 becase:
-The GOP ran Bob Dole, a Paleolithic relic
-The econonmy was in the middle of a big upswing
The Obama will have neither of these to save Him.

 

[Sunni Man]

Mark my words; Obama will win in 2012

He will tell the faithful Obamatards, minorities, homos, liberals, and the far left.

That he knows he disappointed and let many of them down.

But the first 4 years were just to set the stage for the next 4 years.

And when he doesn't have to worry about re-election.

He will be able to implement every left wing agenda and liberal progressive program known to man.

Upon hearing those words.

The Obama faithful will come out in huge numbers to vote their messiah back into office.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Mark my words; Obama will win in 2012
He will tell the faithful Obamatards, minorities, homos, liberals, and the far left.
That he knows he disappointed and let many of them down.
But the first 4 years were just to set the stage for the next 4 years.

And, like in 2008, they will again haplily and deeply drink the kool-aid?
I'd -like- to think they're smarter than that - but you never know.

 

[Foxfyre]

Everytime I see this thread on the forum list, my brain reads SELL OUT as in no more seats left or no more tickets remaining for the show.

There must be some subliminal message there somewhere don't you think?

 

[MikeK]

I am tired of people thinking that to become rich in this country means you should be punished.[...]

That comment is subject to interpretation. So you need to be more specific about what you mean by "rich," and "punished."

What do you consider "rich?" And do you believe that excessive wealth can represent a threat to our political process?

What is your definition of punishment?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Obama did what he had to do for America...

The Obama did what He had to do for The Obama.
He canlt get -anything- done w/o support from the GOP, and not getting anything done means His agenda fails. His agenda fails, He loses in 2012.

I have a somewhat different perspective. I think if he succeeds in his agenda, he loses in 2012. If the GOP prevents him from succeeding in his agenda, he will get the credit for a more acceptable course and will likely be re-elected in 2012. That's exactly what happened with Bill Clinton. Without the GOP revolution of 1994, he was headed into a miserably failed presidency.

Yeah......because o' the tax-increases, right????

.....And, SOMEhow.....Republicans made Clinton talk them into paying-down The Debt.

How DO you "conservatives" manage the appearance of control, in your state-of-perpetual-confusion??????

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[saveliberty]

What a bunch of dumb whining ***** on this thread. All too many of the posts critisizing President Obama in the past have had very racist overtones.

The whole point of the expiration of the tax cuts is the deficit. If the cuts expire for all, the deficit is far less. If it is extended for all, we just continue the spiral into catastrophic debt. However, the continued defense of the tax cuts for the wealthy by the Conservatives on this board demonstrate the basic hypocrisy of their position.

No, you slow and eventually stop a deficit by limiting your spending. Renewing unemployment benefits for people with little job prospects for the next four years is insanity. Leave it to liberals to want more to spend.

 

[Jarhead]

I am tired of people thinking that to become rich in this country means you should be punished.[...]

That comment is subject to interpretation. So you need to be more specific about what you mean by "rich," and "punished."

What do you consider "rich?" And do you believe that excessive wealth can represent a threat to our political process?

What is your definition of punishment?

Rich is defined politically as earning more than 250K. I dont agree with that seeing as I earn more than 250K and I have less available for luxuries than someone earning 200K and living in the middle of Idaho.

Punishment to me, in regard to the topic at hand is defined as being classified in a group of "the rich" and considered as evil and greedy becuase we want to keep sa much of what we earn lkike everyone else, but since we are more successful, we are greddy for thinking that.

How do you define "excessively rich"?

 

[MikeK]

I disagree. He is a Marxist--not of the type that seeks to be dictator only for the power but of the type that despises free enterprise and capitalism and favors forcible redistribution of wealth. But he is dumb like a fox knowing that that masses can be lulled into complacency by giving them, temporarily, what they want however much they shouldn't want it.

If Obama were a Marxist do you suppose he would have appointed three archetypal capitalists to control the financial future of America?

If Obama were a Marxist don't you think he would have seized the opportunity for the State to take over the banks rather than empty the Treasury to bail them out? After all, State control of the banks is the very essence of Marxist economic dominance.

I don't think Obama is a Marxist. I believe he is in the pocket of the financial interests that sponsored his candidacy. I believe Obama is not the statesman he pretended to be but rather an ordinary politician and a talented, self-serving bullshit artist whose mojo has worn thin.

And I believe the Democrats who believe Obama is in the least bit concerned about the likelihood of a second term are naively mistaken. Obama is a young man who is concerned about what comes after the Presidency and he is not about to step on the toes of anyone who can affect his future endeavors.

I voted for Obama but I've never trusted him.

 

[Avatar4321]

What a bunch of dumb whining ***** on this thread. All too many of the posts critisizing President Obama in the past have had very racist overtones.

The whole point of the expiration of the tax cuts is the deficit. If the cuts expire for all, the deficit is far less. If it is extended for all, we just continue the spiral into catastrophic debt. However, the continued defense of the tax cuts for the wealthy by the Conservatives on this board demonstrate the basic hypocrisy of their position.

You're right. Saying he spends too much is definitely racist.

 

[MikeK]

How am I screwed by someone else keeping their money? They earned it. Let them have it.

If you watched the Sopranos television series you know that Mafia "soldiers" who made money through every criminal endeavor from loan-sharking, hijacking and car theft to brazen extortion and turned over a percentage of that money to their "don" were called "earners." So "earning" is a flexible term.

Would you say Ken Lay and Jeffrey Skilling of Enron earned their money? How about the executives at Exxon/Mobil who produced $40 billion in profits in 2009 but paid zero taxes. Would you say they earned their salaries and bonuses? And those CEOs who jumped from being paid 40 times what their highest worker was paid to 400 times that amount -- while the salaries of their employees have remained stagnant for decades. Do you call that "earning?"

During the period between the inception of FDR's New Deal and 1981 the U.S. Economy was healthy and stable and the deficit was easily manageable in spite of the cyclical downturn that was blamed on Carter. That economic health and stability was the result of the 91% progressive tax and a cluster of regulations that prevented people like Ken Lay and Jeffrey Skilling, and countless other corporate and Wall Street manipulators, from doing what they do best, which is to steal in a way which has been made legal through bribery of legislators.

Briefly stated, the problems we're seeing today are the direct result of Reaganomics, deregulation and a tax rate which has been reduced from a progressive 91% level to a flat 15%. How you will be screwed by this is the lost revenue must come from somewhere and eventually it will get around to you in one way or another.

The thing you need to keep in mind is increasing the tax rate of the rich will not make them poor. They will still be rich -- just not as rich.

 

[MikeK]

And the meltdown continues.... The hardcore Fabian Socialist Left has gone totally unhinged because Obama isn't left enough....

Tell me about it. More Government control in the lives of the American people and a constant attack on our economy and it's not left enough.

You're well advised to not be swayed by that kind of corporatist propaganda and keep the origin of this "meltdown" in mind. When Bush was appointed President (by the Supreme Court) the economy was in good shape. There was a budget surplus and a perfectly manageable deficit. Bush initiated an unnecessary invasion and occupation and reduced taxes at the same time, which is predictably destructive to even the healthiest economy. Add to that Bush's reckless spending and you have the formula for disaster.

So it should be obvious who caused our economic problems and that if you fall for the right-wing okey-doke you are being used.

It's up to you.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Settle down, Sparky. I just know your not that dense to understand what the Rabbi was stating...it was sarcasm. When the rightwinger's chastised Barry's policies, they were called racists by the leftwingers. Now the leftwingers are chastising Barry and are being called racists by the rightwingers....I'm sure you do see the irony, maybe you don't want to admit it because you have another agenda with the Jewish faith....save it for another thread, Sparky.

how many SPARKIES do we have on this board?.....there are a lot of Nancies too...

 

[Foxfyre]

I disagree. He is a Marxist--not of the type that seeks to be dictator only for the power but of the type that despises free enterprise and capitalism and favors forcible redistribution of wealth. But he is dumb like a fox knowing that that masses can be lulled into complacency by giving them, temporarily, what they want however much they shouldn't want it.

If Obama were a Marxist do you suppose he would have appointed three archetypal capitalists to control the financial future of America?

If Obama were a Marxist don't you think he would have seized the opportunity for the State to take over the banks rather than empty the Treasury to bail them out? After all, State control of the banks is the very essence of Marxist economic dominance.

I don't think Obama is a Marxist. I believe he is in the pocket of the financial interests that sponsored his candidacy. I believe Obama is not the statesman he pretended to be but rather an ordinary politician and a talented, self-serving bullshit artist whose mojo has worn thin.

And I believe the Democrats who believe Obama is in the least bit concerned about the likelihood of a second term are naively mistaken. Obama is a young man who is concerned about what comes after the Presidency and he is not about to step on the toes of anyone who can affect his future endeavors.

I voted for Obama but I've never trusted him.

Those you described as archetypal capitalists did not object when some banks and corporation were seized. They have not been urging Obama to divest himself and his union 'army' of the formerly private holdings they still own or to implement policies that will reassure and give confidence to private enterprise. They are not complaining of tax and regulatory policies that from all appearances are intended to further weaken the nation's economic underpinnings so that they can be redesigned in Obama's image of what the world should look like.

Of course Obama could not seize all the banks or seize effective control of all the corporations as some dicatators have done because he is governing in America that has a strong since of personal freedom. I believe he dearly would have loved to do that but was at least smart enough to know that it would have triggered a full civil uprising against the government.

Everything I have seen and listened to re this man, and everything that has been written about him, suggests a Marxist to the core. I do not see him as evil. But I do not see him as a person who values personal liberties, private enterprise, individual initiative, or the basic principles embodied in the U.S. Constitution. We can only hope his desire to look good will win out over ideology and he will go along to get along as Clinton did.

 

[The T]

Settle down, Sparky. I just know your not that dense to understand what the Rabbi was stating...it was sarcasm. When the rightwinger's chastised Barry's policies, they were called racists by the leftwingers. Now the leftwingers are chastising Barry and are being called racists by the rightwingers....I'm sure you do see the irony, maybe you don't want to admit it because you have another agenda with the Jewish faith....save it for another thread, Sparky.

how many SPARKIES do we have on this board?.....there are a lot of Nancies too...

And a few Gracies thrown in for good measure.

 

[Stephanie]

What a bunch of dumb whining ***** on this thread. All too many of the posts critisizing President Obama in the past have had very racist overtones.

The whole point of the expiration of the tax cuts is the deficit. If the cuts expire for all, the deficit is far less. If it is extended for all, we just continue the spiral into catastrophic debt. However, the continued defense of the tax cuts for the wealthy by the Conservatives on this board demonstrate the basic hypocrisy of their position.

Hey......I'm criticizing the fact that he sold out to the Greedy Old People.

It was the GOP that made posters of him as a tribal witchdoctor and made those racist Obama bucks.

I don't think the Dems have done that to him yet.

hahahah, so it was the GOP who made up poster of Bush as a chimp I suppose.
Or made a movie about how to assassinate a President, with Bush in it.
good grief. poor little Obama, someone made a picture of him as a witchdoctor..

 

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WH Warns Tax Defeat Could Trigger New Recession​

By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Charles Babington, Associated Press – 2 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Raising the direst alarm yet, the Obama administration warned fellow Democrats on Wednesday that if they defeat the big tax-cut compromise detested by many liberals, they could jolt the nation back into recession.

President Barack Obama appealed anew for Congress to "get this done" and insisted that more congressional Democrats would climb aboard as they studied details of the $900 billion year-end measure. Several did announce support on Wednesday, but at least one said there still was "a mood to resist."

One Democratic opponent, Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts, forecast a result that would abruptly reverse Congress' voting pattern of the first two years of Obama's term: "It will be passed by virtually all the Republicans and a minority of Democrats." He said he would vote against it.

WH warns tax defeat could trigger new recession - Yahoo! News

 

[Sallow]

I am curious.....would you prefer a one party system if it were following your ideological sentiments?

I can tell you this as fact...I am a conservative but I would never "brag" of victory if we had a conservcative super majority.

It would be the worst thing for our country.

Just as a liberal super majority would be the worst thing for our country as well.

We had one party rule during the beginning of the Bush administration.

And no..I am not for it. But conservatives have moved so far to the right..and become so extremist..it's getting pretty scary that they occupy any seat of power.

Michelle Bachman is a complete lunatic..and it should be embarrassing to anyone in this country everytime she speaks. But she's got a whole network of propagandists defending her.

Just because you leftist loons keep getting more extreme doesn't mean the rest of us are moving right.

What exactly makes on the right "extremists" anyway? How is wishing for a much more limited government an "extreme" viewpoint?

Limited government?

A limited government that has the ability to call you a "terrorist" or "enemy combatant" and throw you in a secret prison or target you for assassination? A limited government that can wage war with anyone on the planet for absolutely no reason at all? A limited government that can tap your electronic communications, check airplane manifests, pour through library records or examine medical records without a warrant?

That limited government?