Obama can't be prosecuted. You can thank Trump for that.

[Skylar]

Of course you didn’t, you can’t

You are just driving your self into pretzels to avoid dealing with it

I'm not the one trying to spin record low favoriability spreads as a good thing. That would be you.

I'm not the one that is desperately trying to spin record low favorability spread, the worst in presidential polling history, and overlapping with Epstein scandal as demonstrating no political harm to Trump. That would be you.

I'm not the one ignoring article after article confirming that Trump is on the Epstein list. That would be you.

I accept that the low democratic congressional numbers are bad. Because I'm capable of applying critical thinking skills to the numbers.

You can't do the same with Trump's record low favorability spread. Your indoctrination won't allow it.

And that's what separates us. You've crippled yourself. You're not allowed to apply critical thinking skills. I am.

 

[Mac-7]

I think that MAGA is being short sighted. As concentrating more power in the presidency is not good for our government. Realistically, you'd want to center power in the most diffuse, most difficult to control body: the legislative.

An imperial presidency is stupid, as it lends itself to the world's economy or even world wars turning on the whims and emotions of one ******* guy. Trump can and has literally sent the world economy into a plummet whlie rage tweeting on the toilet.

And MAGA will eventually lose the white house. Do y'all really want Newsom to have the kind of unchecked power that they've ceded to Trump?

**** no. I lean left, and even I don't want that.

As I said Congress could pass laws to deal with rogue presidents in the future

Why dont you read what I wrote before responding?

 

[Skylar]

As I said Congress could pass laws to deal with rogue presidents in the future

Why dont you read what I wrote before responding?

I'm agreeing with you. You're being a bit defensive.

 

[Mac-7]

Why don’t you figure out the charges first and then worry about where you can prosecute them.

So far you have nothing to prosecute anywhere under the current legal system.

I am an observer here not the prosecuting attorney

 

[M14 Shooter]

This thread doesn't discuss how horrible you might think Obama is, or if he is guilty of treason. None of those thing matter. The SC granted trump, and all presidents immunity from prosecution for anything that can remotely be tied to his powers as president

Your statement is a lie.
Big surprise, right?

Held: Under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature
of Presidential power entitles a former President to absolute immunity
from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclu-
sive constitutional authority. And he is entitled to at least presump-
tive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. There is no
immunity for unofficial acts. Pp. 5–

Lie to us some more.

 

[Skylar]

Trump has already directed Bondi to release at least the grand jury part of the file.

If he's ordered it, it would be done in minutes. Where is it?

And why not the full Epstein list?

Why lie about the Epstein list? Why does Trump's story change week to week? Why does Bondi's story change?

The answer is simple: Trump is on Epstein's list. And he's actively suppressing the release of that list to protect himself.

 

[whitehall]

The heads of the CIA and the FBI during the Hussein administration have no such protection. Let's get on with it and indict the bastards.

 

[Skylar]

The heads of the CIA and the FBI during the Hussein administration have no such protection. Let's get on with it and indict the bastards.

Trump expost facto disagreeing with the assessments of the 2016 intel team doesn't magically transform that assessment into a capital crime.

Or any crime.

Trump insisting that if he disagrees with the 2016 intel team that Trump can EXECUTE the 2016 intel team is nonsense. Its just red meat for the MAGA faithful, to try and distract them from Trump's suppression of the Epstein list.

 

[struth]

You are the one that is too stupid to not conflate basic criminality with abuse of power and trust.

You do this not because it makes any ******* sense, but simply because you want to play politico slight of hand by throwing the much grander sounding "corruption" into what is actually just plain ol' tax dodging.

Um all crimes are an abuse of power and trust

If you go out there getting drunk and behind a wheel you breaking the trust you have with everyone else on the road. You are abusing your power, by being irresponsible.

Hunter made over a million dollars and hide it from the govt, abusing his power to fraudulently hide money

 

[Hollie]

Says you, citing you. Back in reality, Gabbard already sealed the immunity deal, as every meeting she cited for Obama was part of his official duties.

Granting him presumed immunity under Trump V. United States.

You couldn't get Obama on a parking ticket

You’re delusional. It’s not the official duty of a president to manufacture a hoax.

It really shows sleaze that is the democrat party. That they would protect and defend the actions of creating a fraud.

 

[Chuz Life]

If he's ordered it, it would be done in minutes. Where is it?

And why not the full Epstein list?

Why lie about the Epstein list? Why does Trump's story change week to week? Why does Bondi's story change?

The answer is simple: Trump is on Epstein's list. And he's actively suppressing the release of that list to protect himself.

MSN

 

[Oddball]

If he did it using his presidential power he is immune. They claim he used his official presidential powers to order a report changed.

Falsifying official documents isn't in the realm of normal course of duties of the job, ninny.

Once again, you moobats are totally pissing into the wind.

 

[mudwhistle]

All it takes is credible evidence. A rewarmed conspiracy theory wont do.

That's easy.

Obama admitted that Trump didn't collude with Russia....but that didn't stop him from creating a false narrative that he did.
Something we've been dealing with for years.
Obama's only defense is he dinnit do nuffin.

 

[Marener]

I am an observer here not the prosecuting attorney

You’re a useful idiot. It doesn’t matter what happens next because you’re already accepting the narrative.

 

[buckeye]

Where are you getting that bullshit from?

It's true. The briefing got pulled before Trump could see it.

As was reflected in the ODNI documents that we released on Friday, multiple intelligence community assessments released in the months leading up to the November 2016 election concluded that Russia had neither the intent nor capability to impact the outcome of the U.S. election.

On December 5th of 2016, the FBI and ODNI gave the House Intelligence Committee its first post-election classified briefing in which there was no mention of Putin aspiring to elect Trump by either agency.

The presidential daily brief, drafted on December 8th of 2016, stated that no Russian or criminal actors impacted vote counts. This document was pulled just hours before it was to be published due to, “new guidance.” If it had been published, it would have been briefed to both President Obama and President-elect Donald Trump.

On December 9th, 2016, a National Security Council meeting was called to gather President Obama’s senior national security officials, which included CIA Director Brennan, then-Obama DNI James Clapper, Susan Rice, and others. Following that secret meeting, DNI Clapper’s assistant sent an email to the intelligence community with the subject line, “POTUS tasking on Russia election meddling,” tasking ODNI leaders to create a new assessment per the president’s request.
The House Intelligence Committee oversight report that we released today reveals that, “unlike routine intelligence community analysis, the intelligence community assessment was a high profile product ordered by the president, President Obama. It directed senior intelligence community agency heads and created an intelligence community assessment limited to just five analysts using one principal drafter.”

This is not something that occurs in the normal path of producing an intelligence community assessment that reflects the views across the intelligence community. The production of this intelligence community assessment was subject to unusual directives directly from the president and senior political appointees, especially the former director of the CIA, John Brennan.
The House Intelligence Committee oversight report also shows how later that same day on December 9th, Brennan ordered the publication of, “substandard reporting on Russian activities,” which had previously been withheld from publication of prior assessments because the information was judged, “to have not met longstanding publication standards.”

Some of the information later used in the Obama ordered assessment over the objections of veteran CIA officers was, “unclear or from unknown sources.”

The Intelligence Committee’s oversight report reveals that CIA director Brennan overruled senior CIA officers who challenged the Obama ordered intelligence assessment, stating, “we don’t have direct information that Putin wanted to get Trump elected.”

Yet the Obama directed assessment was published on January 6, 2017, which explicitly stated, “we assess Putin and the Russian government aspired to help President elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him.”

The CIA and FBI, then led by John Brennan and James Comey, expressed high confidence in this judgment, while the NSA expressed moderate confidence. Yet as the report we released today shows, the ICA, the Intelligence Committee assessment did not cite any report where Putin indicated helping Trump win was an objective. The opposite is true.

https://singjupost.com/transcript-tulsi-gabbard-remarks-on-russia-hoax-from-the-white-house/

​

 

[Hollie]

I'm not the one trying to spin record low favoriability spreads as a good thing. That would be you.

I'm not the one that is desperately trying to spin record low favorability spread, the worst in presidential polling history, and overlapping with Epstein scandal as demonstrating no political harm to Trump. That would be you.

I'm not the one ignoring article after article confirming that Trump is on the Epstein list. That would be you.

I accept that the low democratic congressional numbers are bad. Because I'm capable of applying critical thinking skills to the numbers.

You can't do the same with Trump's record low favorability spread. Your indoctrination won't allow it.

And that's what separates us. You've crippled yourself. You're not allowed to apply critical thinking skills. I am.

It seems you bought your “critical thinking skills” at a Walmart sale.

 

[Marener]

Your statement is a lie.
Big surprise, right?

Held: Under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature
of Presidential power entitles a former President to absolute immunity
from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclu-
sive constitutional authority. And he is entitled to at least presump-
tive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. There is no
immunity for unofficial acts. Pp. 5–

Lie to us some more.

Basically exactly as he said. Official acts are immune. As long as the president can tie their actions to their office, it’s immune.

Everything Bondi is alleging easily falls under immunity.

 

[Doc7505]

There's zero evidence that Obama directed intel folks to create a false narrative to feed to the press to undermine his successor.

There's the story being pushed by the Trump administration to try and distract from their Epstein scandal, backed by jack shit, from the same Trum admin that manufactured fake evidence of MS-13 tattoos on the knuckles of a man that sent to prison without charges or conviction of any crime.

Good ******* luck with that. There's a fantastic reason why the bullshit Trump and his people say in press conferences has little to nothing to do with what they say in court.

This is just more theater for chaw-slawing, shit kicking, mouth breathers.

~~~~~~

Worst scandal in history?

This week, Special Counsel John Durham released a 316-page report detailing the origins of Operation Crossfire Hurricane — the FBI’s investigation into supposed connections between the Trump campaign and the

norfolkdailynews.com

 

[Marener]

It's true. The briefing got pulled before Trump could see it.

As was reflected in the ODNI documents that we released on Friday, multiple intelligence community assessments released in the months leading up to the November 2016 election concluded that Russia had neither the intent nor capability to impact the outcome of the U.S. election.

On December 5th of 2016, the FBI and ODNI gave the House Intelligence Committee its first post-election classified briefing in which there was no mention of Putin aspiring to elect Trump by either agency.

The presidential daily brief, drafted on December 8th of 2016, stated that no Russian or criminal actors impacted vote counts. This document was pulled just hours before it was to be published due to, “new guidance.” If it had been published, it would have been briefed to both President Obama and President-elect Donald Trump.

On December 9th, 2016, a National Security Council meeting was called to gather President Obama’s senior national security officials, which included CIA Director Brennan, then-Obama DNI James Clapper, Susan Rice, and others. Following that secret meeting, DNI Clapper’s assistant sent an email to the intelligence community with the subject line, “POTUS tasking on Russia election meddling,” tasking ODNI leaders to create a new assessment per the president’s request.
The House Intelligence Committee oversight report that we released today reveals that, “unlike routine intelligence community analysis, the intelligence community assessment was a high profile product ordered by the president, President Obama. It directed senior intelligence community agency heads and created an intelligence community assessment limited to just five analysts using one principal drafter.”

This is not something that occurs in the normal path of producing an intelligence community assessment that reflects the views across the intelligence community. The production of this intelligence community assessment was subject to unusual directives directly from the president and senior political appointees, especially the former director of the CIA, John Brennan.
The House Intelligence Committee oversight report also shows how later that same day on December 9th, Brennan ordered the publication of, “substandard reporting on Russian activities,” which had previously been withheld from publication of prior assessments because the information was judged, “to have not met longstanding publication standards.”

Some of the information later used in the Obama ordered assessment over the objections of veteran CIA officers was, “unclear or from unknown sources.”

The Intelligence Committee’s oversight report reveals that CIA director Brennan overruled senior CIA officers who challenged the Obama ordered intelligence assessment, stating, “we don’t have direct information that Putin wanted to get Trump elected.”

Yet the Obama directed assessment was published on January 6, 2017, which explicitly stated, “we assess Putin and the Russian government aspired to help President elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him.”

The CIA and FBI, then led by John Brennan and James Comey, expressed high confidence in this judgment, while the NSA expressed moderate confidence. Yet as the report we released today shows, the ICA, the Intelligence Committee assessment did not cite any report where Putin indicated helping Trump win was an objective. The opposite is true.

https://singjupost.com/transcript-tulsi-gabbard-remarks-on-russia-hoax-from-the-white-house/

​

Basically all you’re whining about is whether the assessment that Russia helped Trump was high confidence or moderate confidence.

That’s treason? Jesus.

 

[Robert W]

This thread doesn't discuss how horrible you might think Obama is, or if he is guilty of treason. None of those thing matter. The SC granted trump, and all presidents immunity from prosecution for anything that can remotely be tied to his powers as president. Can you think of a legal reason why trump was able to walk, but Obama should be charged?
If so, now is the time to educate us all. I look forward to your reasoned legal opinion.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf

No!