Obama advisors seek rationed medical care

[daveman]

Your sister-in-law's situation illustrates that government health care is good quality care, as Greenbeard said.

The problem is that the working poor, and people with preexisting conditions, often cannot get affordable private insurance.

That is one thing that the ACA addresses. It gets more people into the insurance pool.

It gets the freeloaders, who don't buy insurance because they are in reasonably good health, who go in and "negotiate" a lower price for care on the backs of those of us who are insured, into the insurance pool with the rest of us responsible citizens.

"We lefties" aren't asking for "free shit". That doesn't even make sense, if you actually have a clue what the law says.

I love how leftists mangle the language. "Freeloaders" = "people who pay their own way".

 

[SAT2]

Your sister-in-law's situation illustrates that government health care is good quality care, as Greenbeard said.

The problem is that the working poor, and people with preexisting conditions, often cannot get affordable private insurance.

That is one thing that the ACA addresses. It gets more people into the insurance pool.

It gets the freeloaders, who don't buy insurance because they are in reasonably good health, who go in and "negotiate" a lower price for care on the backs of those of us who are insured, into the insurance pool with the rest of us responsible citizens.

"We lefties" aren't asking for "free shit". That doesn't even make sense, if you actually have a clue what the law says.

I love how leftists mangle the language. "Freeloaders" = "people who pay their own way".

Freeloaders: people who go into the doctor, say "I can't pay that, I don't bother to buy health insurance! Can't you cut your prices for meeeeeeeeeeeeeee?"

 

[The Rabbi]

Your sister-in-law's situation illustrates that government health care is good quality care, as Greenbeard said.

The problem is that the working poor, and people with preexisting conditions, often cannot get affordable private insurance.

That is one thing that the ACA addresses. It gets more people into the insurance pool.

It gets the freeloaders, who don't buy insurance because they are in reasonably good health, who go in and "negotiate" a lower price for care on the backs of those of us who are insured, into the insurance pool with the rest of us responsible citizens.

"We lefties" aren't asking for "free shit". That doesn't even make sense, if you actually have a clue what the law says.

I love how leftists mangle the language. "Freeloaders" = "people who pay their own way".

Freeloaders: people who go into the doctor, say "I can't pay that, I don't bother to buy health insurance! Can't you cut your prices for meeeeeeeeeeeeeee?"

Freeloaders: People who are fat and lazy and want healthy people forced to buy something to subsidize their rates.

 

[SAT2]

I love how leftists mangle the language. "Freeloaders" = "people who pay their own way".

Freeloaders: people who go into the doctor, say "I can't pay that, I don't bother to buy health insurance! Can't you cut your prices for meeeeeeeeeeeeeee?"

Freeloaders: People who are fat and lazy and want healthy people forced to buy something to subsidize their rates.

Sometimes young people think that their youth is a virtue, instead of a temporary state. Same with healthy people.

 

[The Rabbi]

Freeloaders: people who go into the doctor, say "I can't pay that, I don't bother to buy health insurance! Can't you cut your prices for meeeeeeeeeeeeeee?"

Freeloaders: People who are fat and lazy and want healthy people forced to buy something to subsidize their rates.

Sometimes young people think that their youth is a virtue, instead of a temporary state. Same with healthy people.

The temporary state lasts for 15 years. That's a lot of premiums you are imposing on people jsut so old fat people like you can pay lower rates. Wait til the OWS movement figures out they will be paying medical premiums instead of their student loans.

 

[SAT2]

Freeloaders: People who are fat and lazy and want healthy people forced to buy something to subsidize their rates.

Sometimes young people think that their youth is a virtue, instead of a temporary state. Same with healthy people.

The temporary state lasts for 15 years. That's a lot of premiums you are imposing on people jsut so old fat people like you can pay lower rates. Wait til the OWS movement figures out they will be paying medical premiums instead of their student loans.

Your attacks are based on misconceptions. Except that I am old. 56 for only a few more days.

 

[The Rabbi]

Sometimes young people think that their youth is a virtue, instead of a temporary state. Same with healthy people.

The temporary state lasts for 15 years. That's a lot of premiums you are imposing on people jsut so old fat people like you can pay lower rates. Wait til the OWS movement figures out they will be paying medical premiums instead of their student loans.

Your attacks are based on misconceptions. Except that I am old. 56 for only a few more days.

No, I am spot on.

 

[SAT2]

The temporary state lasts for 15 years. That's a lot of premiums you are imposing on people jsut so old fat people like you can pay lower rates. Wait til the OWS movement figures out they will be paying medical premiums instead of their student loans.

Your attacks are based on misconceptions. Except that I am old. 56 for only a few more days.

No, I am spot on.

Uh, no. You're not. Try again.

 

[rdean]

Obama advisors seek rationed medical care

Which of course is contrary to the Republican's health care plan of "Let him die".

 

[thereisnospoon]

Your sister-in-law's situation illustrates that government health care is good quality care, as Greenbeard said.

The problem is that the working poor, and people with preexisting conditions, often cannot get affordable private insurance.

That is one thing that the ACA addresses. It gets more people into the insurance pool.

It gets the freeloaders, who don't buy insurance because they are in reasonably good health, who go in and "negotiate" a lower price for care on the backs of those of us who are insured, into the insurance pool with the rest of us responsible citizens.

"We lefties" aren't asking for "free shit". That doesn't even make sense, if you actually have a clue what the law says.

You are looking for free shit. Period. You people are convinced that Obamacare gives you that.
Greenbeard said nothing of the kind. He said he failed to see the point.
With pre existing conditions...This is an affect of people NOT buying insurance until they discover they are sick or have been diagnosed.
Anyone can buy insurance when they start working and earning. Most people who are entering the job market even refuse their employer provided insurance. They don't want to have the money deducted form their pay, So they take a chance on not getting sick.
Even higher paid young professionals refuse coverage.
Those are choices.
Now, I can tell you this with a high degree of certainty, Obamacare may have a provision for pre existing conditions but there are no guarantees and strings WILL be attached.
It is impossible for insurance to cover all pre existing conditions.
For example. With private insurance....Let's say a person goes to have a cancer screening. They have a malignant melanoma. It is removed and the patient is cancer free.
Years later, that person takes a new job and enrolls in the employer's policy. They then go to the doctor for a cancer screening. Uh oh...Another melanoma. Same deal it's treatable.
The insurance company will not pay. Why? Pre existing condition that the patient failed to disclose when they enrolled with their new employer. The claim is denied and the patient pays out of pocket. Some may scream NOT FAIR! Incorrect.
Obamacare will do the same thing. That's got to be the way it is.
Failing that, the costs of government health insurance would spiral out of control and rapidly become unmanageable and unsustainable.
There is no free lunch. At the end of the day, somebody has got to pay.
Insurance pool? You mean the government 'exchanges'?...Ha! The existence of those exchanges presupposes the number of private insurers willing to kneel down to federal government demands red tape and bureaucracy and insure people with health issues...Yeah ok...
Yes, free health insurance from our friends on Capitol Hill. I can't wait.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Obama advisors seek rationed medical care

Which of course is contrary to the Republican's health care plan of "Let him die".

Another drive by post from Mr. "I have no facts so I'll post inflammatory nonsense"...
Here are some examples of what is in store with government health insurance here in the US.
Bowel cancer victims in UK denied life prolonging drug that's free in Europe | Mail Online
Women With Advanced Breast Cancer Denied Life-extending Treatment Halaven(R) (black triangle drug) (Eribulin)

English Patients Denied Access to Ipilimumab « Dr. Robert A. Nagourney – Rational Therapeutics – Blog

There have been reports where pharma companeis have offered life saving drugs free of charge to patients denied coverage for certain drugs and the NICE still denied the patient access. It's their way 100% of the time. Such is life under the thumb of the bureaucracy of socialism.

 

[SAT2]

You are looking for free shit. Period. You people are convinced that Obamacare gives you that.

Your comment is crazy. "We people" are not asking for a freebie.

My insurance is not free now, and it will not ever be free.

You are setting up a straw man.

Your comments about preexisting conditions are misinformed, but I can't correct every bit of your crazy at once.

Let's just deal with this first.

 

[The Rabbi]

Your sister-in-law's situation illustrates that government health care is good quality care, as Greenbeard said.

The problem is that the working poor, and people with preexisting conditions, often cannot get affordable private insurance.

That is one thing that the ACA addresses. It gets more people into the insurance pool.

It gets the freeloaders, who don't buy insurance because they are in reasonably good health, who go in and "negotiate" a lower price for care on the backs of those of us who are insured, into the insurance pool with the rest of us responsible citizens.

"We lefties" aren't asking for "free shit". That doesn't even make sense, if you actually have a clue what the law says.

You are looking for free shit. Period. You people are convinced that Obamacare gives you that.
Greenbeard said nothing of the kind. He said he failed to see the point.
With pre existing conditions...This is an affect of people NOT buying insurance until they discover they are sick or have been diagnosed.
Anyone can buy insurance when they start working and earning. Most people who are entering the job market even refuse their employer provided insurance. They don't want to have the money deducted form their pay, So they take a chance on not getting sick.
Even higher paid young professionals refuse coverage.
Those are choices.
Now, I can tell you this with a high degree of certainty, Obamacare may have a provision for pre existing conditions but there are no guarantees and strings WILL be attached.
It is impossible for insurance to cover all pre existing conditions.
For example. With private insurance....Let's say a person goes to have a cancer screening. They have a malignant melanoma. It is removed and the patient is cancer free.
Years later, that person takes a new job and enrolls in the employer's policy. They then go to the doctor for a cancer screening. Uh oh...Another melanoma. Same deal it's treatable.
The insurance company will not pay. Why? Pre existing condition that the patient failed to disclose when they enrolled with their new employer. The claim is denied and the patient pays out of pocket. Some may scream NOT FAIR! Incorrect.
Obamacare will do the same thing. That's got to be the way it is.
Failing that, the costs of government health insurance would spiral out of control and rapidly become unmanageable and unsustainable.
There is no free lunch. At the end of the day, somebody has got to pay.
Insurance pool? You mean the government 'exchanges'?...Ha! The existence of those exchanges presupposes the number of private insurers willing to kneel down to federal government demands red tape and bureaucracy and insure people with health issues...Yeah ok...
Yes, free health insurance from our friends on Capitol Hill. I can't wait.

You cannot legislate away risk. That is what supporters of Obamacare don't understand. They think insurance co regs just happen, so pass a law so they un-happen. It doesn't work that way. The regs are there for a reason.
Take pre-existing conditions. Pre existing conditions mean the person is a higher risk. A higher risk for claims translates into requiring more policy payments, or exclusions to the policy. That risk cannot be legislated away,because it is real. Either the insurance company protects itself, in the form of exclusions, or they pass the cost to the customer. Or, the gov't way, they make it illegal to deny pre-existings and the cost is socialized so everyone has to pay for it. Which one is fairer?

 

[SAT2]

Why have any legislation at all.

Take pre-existing conditions. Pre existing conditions mean the person is a higher risk. A higher risk for claims translates into requiring more policy payments, or exclusions to the policy. That risk cannot be legislated away,because it is real. Either the insurance company protects itself, in the form of exclusions, or they pass the cost to the customer. Or, the gov't way, they make it illegal to deny pre-existings and the cost is socialized so everyone has to pay for it. Which one is fairer?

Yes, which is why this is more society's business than company business.

 

[The Rabbi]

Why have any legislation at all.

Take pre-existing conditions. Pre existing conditions mean the person is a higher risk. A higher risk for claims translates into requiring more policy payments, or exclusions to the policy. That risk cannot be legislated away,because it is real. Either the insurance company protects itself, in the form of exclusions, or they pass the cost to the customer. Or, the gov't way, they make it illegal to deny pre-existings and the cost is socialized so everyone has to pay for it. Which one is fairer?

Yes, which is why this is more society's business than company business.

It is my responsibility to pay higher rates than I need to because you've smoked for 30 years? Really? Is that your final answer?

 

[SAT2]

Why have any legislation at all.

Take pre-existing conditions. Pre existing conditions mean the person is a higher risk. A higher risk for claims translates into requiring more policy payments, or exclusions to the policy. That risk cannot be legislated away,because it is real. Either the insurance company protects itself, in the form of exclusions, or they pass the cost to the customer. Or, the gov't way, they make it illegal to deny pre-existings and the cost is socialized so everyone has to pay for it. Which one is fairer?

Yes, which is why this is more society's business than company business.

It is my responsibility to pay higher rates than I need to because you've smoked for 30 years? Really? Is that your final answer?

Yes, just like you get lower rates because I don't smoke, I exercise, I eat right, and I take my supplements and medications.

 

[Greenbeard]

It is my responsibility to pay higher rates than I need to because you've smoked for 30 years? Really? Is that your final answer?

Insurers can still rate on tobacco use under the ACA. Smokers will pay more for a given insurance policy.

 

[Full-Auto]

Why have any legislation at all.



Yes, which is why this is more society's business than company business.

It is my responsibility to pay higher rates than I need to because you've smoked for 30 years? Really? Is that your final answer?

Yes, just like you get lower rates because I don't smoke, I exercise, I eat right, and I take my supplements and medications.

Try something lefties are frightened of.

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.........................

 

[SAT2]

It is my responsibility to pay higher rates than I need to because you've smoked for 30 years? Really? Is that your final answer?

Yes, just like you get lower rates because I don't smoke, I exercise, I eat right, and I take my supplements and medications.

Try something lefties are frightened of.

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.........................

Don't be silly. I just told you, I'm taking personal responsibility.

 

[mudwhistle]

LOL, a great many doctors don't like being involved in the medical field now. They prefer to do more administrative work and leave the actual care to nurses.

That's crazy. Doctors have to be involved in the medical field.

What they won't want is to treat Medicare patients thanks to Obama's new regulations in the Affordable Health Care act.