Obama administration releases secret Bush memos

[elvis]

This is incredible. George W. Bush acted just like FDR during WWII.

No, he did not. If fact, had FDR acted as George did, we would have attacked Brazil after Pearl Harbor. And the East Coast would be speaking German, the West Coast Japanese.

Bush was the most incompetant President in our history.

you are even more stupid than I thought, rock head.

 

[rayboyusmc]

When even the Republican party will not use Bush's name.......

 

[Caligirl]

if you took over a company would you "out" you predecesor......

seems that the object is to do damage to america.....

i don't see this ending well.....

If the alternative is to pretend the predecessor did nothing wrong, then yeah. Think long term. Hiding issues like this is dysfyunctional.

Transparency, baby. Demand it!

 

[michiganFats]

I do demand it. For everyone, not just Bush.

 

[Shadow]

Hardly....

The world issued a great sigh of relief when the village idiot left office.

Right... because Oblah blah the push over socialist twerp is now in charge. They all probably laugh out load at his giant ego and idiocy.

Hey, how about some cheese with that whine?

No whining here...just mocking your stupid choices. The big "0" is a laugh a minute...the only thing funnier is watching you bozo's twist yourself in to pretzels defending his dumb ass.

 

[DiveCon]

so, his means Obama cant claim secrecy for releasing his own memos
fat chance ANYONE will give him honest advice like that
no one will be willing to take that chance

 

[JimH52]

Does anyone know if secret papers of previous Presidents have ever been released in similar fashion? I wonder if Obama is beginning a dangerous precedent.

 

[sealybobo]

Does anyone know if secret papers of previous Presidents have ever been released in similar fashion? I wonder if Obama is beginning a dangerous precedent.

I don't think Bush has any papers hidden that risk our national security. He's just covering up his own wrong doings.

And did you hear? Rove and Harriet Meyers do have to testify, under oath, with transcripts, but in private. So we will find out after what they said, but we won't get to see it.

And for those of you who think Bush didn't break any laws, Congress is looking into a truth commission. But some don't think that's necessary, because we can have our US Attorneys investigate. No need for a "truth commission".

Patrick Leahy said in response to putting this all behind us, "you can't turn the page until you first read the page"

And we now know for a fact that Bush ordered people to break the law several times. Chaney and Bush argue basically that because Bush gave the order, it was not breaking the law?

WASHINGTON -- President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution.

Bush challenges hundreds of laws - The Boston Globe

So I guess Clinton never broke the law either.

 

[sealybobo]

so, his means Obama cant claim secrecy for releasing his own memos
fat chance ANYONE will give him honest advice like that
no one will be willing to take that chance

We are going to establish an independent commission in the future so if any sitting president wants to hide information, he/she will have to justify it to that commission.

 

[editec]

Does anyone know if secret papers of previous Presidents have ever been released in similar fashion? I wonder if Obama is beginning a dangerous precedent.

Sure they have.

Plenty of stuff that was classified has been declassified historically.

Obviously nothing in those papers had any signficant military significance.

It was classified for POLITICAL reasons.

Well, it was declassified with EXACTLY the same motive.

 

[sealybobo]

Does anyone know if secret papers of previous Presidents have ever been released in similar fashion? I wonder if Obama is beginning a dangerous precedent.

Sure they have.

Plenty of stuff that was classified has been declassified historically.

Obviously nothing in those papers had any signficant military significance.

It was classified for POLITICAL reasons.

Well, it was declassified with EXACTLY the same motive.

Politics is only a side benefit to releasing those papers. Bush broke the law. Is he above the law? If not, then justice is our motive.

Sen. Patrick Leahy recently proposed a truth and reconciliation commission to investigate abuses during the Bush-Cheney Administration - so they never happen again. These abuses include the use of torture, extraordinary rendition, and executive override of laws.

Please sign his online petition urging Congress to establish a truth and reconciliation commission to investigate the Bush-Cheney Administration's abuses.

You don't turn the page until you first read the page. And so no future president ever does all the shit Bush pulled, INCLUDING Obama, sign this.

 

[DiveCon]

so, his means Obama cant claim secrecy for releasing his own memos
fat chance ANYONE will give him honest advice like that
no one will be willing to take that chance

We are going to establish an independent commission in the future so if any sitting president wants to hide information, he/she will have to justify it to that commission.

sp, we have to create a whole nother layer of government to satify you assholes?
:hand:

 

[LA RAM FAN]

This is incredible. George W. Bush acted just like FDR during WWII.

Why are you surprised? This is like common sense.

exactly.oh and thanks for that tidbit about Lincoln.I never knew that.Doesnt surprise me though.

 

[sealybobo]

so, his means Obama cant claim secrecy for releasing his own memos
fat chance ANYONE will give him honest advice like that
no one will be willing to take that chance

We are going to establish an independent commission in the future so if any sitting president wants to hide information, he/she will have to justify it to that commission.

sp, we have to create a whole nother layer of government to satify you assholes?
:hand:

You mean like how Bush grew the gov thru Homeland Security & NSA & DOD, etc?

Remember I said Republicans are protecting what they are onto the Dems?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Blasting Bush-era government contracting, President Barack Obama on Wednesday ordered an overhaul designed to halt the delays, waste and blatant fraud that exasperate the public and politicians alike.

What a hypocrite.

Obama is confronting the very issues you talk about and Bush ignored all these problems.

You republicans are insane liars. I remember McCain and the GOP of the 90's crying that Kosovo was going to bankrupt us and how it was a soverign nation and how Clinton wagged the dog.

And your president lies us into war for money, bankrupts the country and uses the war on terror to grow the government.

So you distance yourself from Bush, as if he did it alone.

 

[JimH52]

Obviously nothing in those papers had any signficant military significance.

It was classified for POLITICAL reasons.

So will this benefit the country? Politics aside, will truth commission or investigation benefit the country?

 

[DiveCon]

We are going to establish an independent commission in the future so if any sitting president wants to hide information, he/she will have to justify it to that commission.

sp, we have to create a whole nother layer of government to satify you assholes?
:hand:

You mean like how Bush grew the gov thru Homeland Security & NSA & DOD, etc?

Remember I said Republicans are protecting what they are onto the Dems?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Blasting Bush-era government contracting, President Barack Obama on Wednesday ordered an overhaul designed to halt the delays, waste and blatant fraud that exasperate the public and politicians alike.

What a hypocrite.

Obama is confronting the very issues you talk about and Bush ignored all these problems.

You republicans are insane liars. I remember McCain and the GOP of the 90's crying that Kosovo was going to bankrupt us and how it was a soverign nation and how Clinton wagged the dog.

And your president lies us into war for money, bankrupts the country and uses the war on terror to grow the government.

So you distance yourself from Bush, as if he did it alone.

clearly you forget the homeland security dept was forced on Bush by the senate, at the time it had a slim majority of democrats in control
he did it because THEY wanted it
it was a kneejerk reaction to 9/11


you continue to show yourself totally cl;uel;ess on the issues

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Obviously, given the extraordinary circumstances of that time, and the Bush Administrations extraordinary responses, many of which were done in secret -- even to Congress! -- an investigation of those response is needed.

However, given those extrordinary circumstances, as we uncover additional information in order to evaluate the legality of the steps taken, we need to remember just exactly how extrordinary those times were.

What does the above really mean?

Unless the Bush Amdinistration was CLEARLY violating the Constitution and KNEW IT, and if they tooks steps to obfuscate what they KNEW TO BE CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS OF THE POTUS's constiutional authority, even I would be inclined to go lightly on the players involved.

However, if it can shown that the Bush Admin players were KNOWING violating the Constitution, then they should be called to account for their actions and their punishment should be swift and fair regardless of WHOM is found to be responsible for those violations.

IN other words, we need to go as far up the chain of command as we need to go to punish those who are discovered were involved in any criminal behavior, or any cover-up of criminal behavior.

Failure to diligently invesigate, and failure to punish if criminal behavior is doscovered would insure that future presidents and their administration would do likewise.

Now I KNOW that some of you think that Bush should be given a pass.

But if we give Bush a pass, assuming criminality is discovered, then we WILL BE GRANTING all future POTUSs the same right to conduct activities clearly defined as unconstiutional.

No man can be above the law in a land governed by laws.

If the law is wrong, CHANGE it.

If the law is right, INDICT.

exactly.well said, unfortunately Bush and everybody in his administration will be given a free pass for their 9/11 crimes.Bush,Cheney,Guliani,Rumsfield,Rice,Clinton-"yeah he wasnt in the bush administration but he is involved in it up to his ears as well," ect,ect they wont be prosecuted for their crimes.Like sealybobo said,they are above the law cause as everybody in the world knows,theres one different law for politicians than there are for citizens.Politicians as everybody knows,get away with crimes including murder everyday.The only hope for the future of the world is for a third party to be created cause BOTH parties are corrupt and dont represent the people or believe in the constitution.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

We are going to establish an independent commission in the future so if any sitting president wants to hide information, he/she will have to justify it to that commission.

sp, we have to create a whole nother layer of government to satify you assholes?
:hand:

You mean like how Bush grew the gov thru Homeland Security & NSA & DOD, etc?

Remember I said Republicans are protecting what they are onto the Dems?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Blasting Bush-era government contracting, President Barack Obama on Wednesday ordered an overhaul designed to halt the delays, waste and blatant fraud that exasperate the public and politicians alike.

What a hypocrite.

Obama is confronting the very issues you talk about and Bush ignored all these problems.

You republicans are insane liars. I remember McCain and the GOP of the 90's crying that Kosovo was going to bankrupt us and how it was a soverign nation and how Clinton wagged the dog.

And your president lies us into war for money, bankrupts the country and uses the war on terror to grow the government.

So you distance yourself from Bush, as if he did it alone.

Man did you have to quote divecon? that makes my ignore list ineffective to where I HAVE to look at it.What kind of idiot can possibly be satisified with the CURRENT government we have where presidents and people in their administrations committ autrocities all the time and get away with them scott free? The constitution of the united states that these greedy bastard politicians took away from us in 1973 is what i want back.If the constitution were being carried out like our forefathers intended it to be today.Clinton Bush Nixon and countless other presidents would be in prison.

 

[michiganFats]

P.S. He didn't have access to them as a senator.

Bunch of wining losers.

You have got to be one of the dumbest mother effers I've ever seen manage to operate a computer with pre-hensile thumbs. Of course he did. Get your head out of your ass.