Obama administration concedes that Mideast peace is beyond reach ...

montelatici, Coyote, et al,

The White House, the State Department, and the National Security Advisor have consistently failed in their approach to the Middle East problem (Arab-Israeli Conflict) for more than four decades.

Q: Why would anyone put any faith in what they have to say now?

In the17th Century, the German Philosopher Gottfried Leibniz postulated that (paraphrased): Nothing takes place without a sufficient cause. This has come to be known as the Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR).

Finally, an administration speaks the truth, even though they left the door open for a subsequent administration taking up the cause. I left out the last words of the headline to give the thread header some pizzaz.

In fact, there is no longer any chance of a two-state solution with the Palestinians joining the Israelis in rejecting the notion. The most probable outcome is Israeli annexation and settlement building, a Jewish ruling minority for a decade or so and an eventual establishment of non-Jewish majority rule after a period of Apartheid and violence, similar to what happened in South Africa.

"Rob Malley, the National Security Council’s senior director for the Middle East, said that for the first time in two decades, an American administration “faces the reality” that a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict “is not in the cards......."

Obama administration concedes that Mideast peace is beyond reach on his watch
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Remember who you are dealing with: Dr Rob Malley, an attorney (Harvard Law), Rhodes Scholar, and now senior on the Middle East desk of the National Security Council. His Mother was an American who held a position at the UN with the Algerian National Liberation Front (FNL). The father was Jewish - Egyptian-born journalist in the Region. The family was openly anti-Israeli and considered Yassar Arafat a close family friend. Many knowledgeable people think of Dr Malley as an expert on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict; an author of several must read articles on the subject.

Robert Malley | The New York Review of Books
www.nybooks.com/contributors/robert-malley/

Robert Malley is Middle East and North Africa Program Director at the International Crisis Group. He is writing here in his personal capacity. (November 2012).

Robert Malley (Author of The Call From Algeria)
www.goodreads.com/author/show/936750.Robert_Malley

Robert Malley is the author of The Call From Algeria (4.00 avg rating, 7 ratings, 0 reviews, published 1996) and The Call from Algeria (0.0 avg rating, 0...

How Not to Make Peace in the Middle East by Robert Malley and ...
www.nybooks.com/.../how-not-to-make-peace-in-the-middle-east/


Jan 15, 2009 ... Yet none of the authors was a passive spectator during their terms in .... At far left is Robert Malley, the coauthor of this review; at far right is ...

The Road from Mecca by Robert Malley and Hussein Agha | The ...
www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2007/.../the-road-from-mecca/


May 10, 2007 ... The hitch is that neither Israel nor the US has embraced the Arab Initiative in quite the way its authors intended. Five years after the proposal ...
- See more at: Biography of Author Robert Malley: Booking Appearances, Speaking

What is important is that Dr Malley has been in the national security and political system for several decades. He was part of the Camp David set-up in which Present Clinton failed to achieve an effort to end the Israeli–Palestinian conflict (15 years ago). What is wrong here is that the American Foreign Policy decision making model has not progressed and evolved since the mid-1990's. Another "Quill and Dagger" Alumni (Cornell) with former Deputy SECDEF Paul Wolfowitz (a dominant force with President Bush's FAILED Iraq policy) and Stephen Hadley (Yale Law), who served as Deputy National Security Advisor and a member of the White House Iraq Group.

The point here is that these personalities, to which Dr Malley was associated with, had not been able to adjust and established a successful US Foreign Policy in over a quarter of a century; bogged-down in post WWII and Vietnam War decision making models.

NOW, relative to Dr Malley and the comment that the "American administration faces the reality” for the first time in two decades --- versus --- my "quarter century" estimate are pretty close. What Dr Malley doesn't say is that he was part and parcel in the mix that "faced something other than reality." What Dr Malley doesn't say is that relative to the reasons that need addressed in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, there is a solution. Dr Malley (forceful, passionately, and intensely anti-Israeli) may not know (or even want to others to believe) that there is an understanding to the true explanation. We may not know what it is, but the PSR tells us that, stripping away all the political and emotional baggage; the solution will present itself. Dr Malley's is simply predisposed to oppose any solution that does not favor the Palestinians.

I would not make too much of this article: "President Obama has concluded that a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians is beyond reach during his presidency." Just because it is beyond the current National Security Advisory Team (the reality) does not mean it has no solution. Again, this is one of those fallacious "appeals to ignorance." Just because I cannot explain what interferometer is and how to effectively use it (with the answer beyond me), does not mean that there is no solution.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is no solution that is acceptable to the Jews in Israel that will allow a non-Jewish ruled sovereign state to exist in Palestine. That means there is no two state solution.

Eventually, Israeli Jews will be unable to rule and maintain control over a growing majority of non-Jews and a South Africa type resolution to the problem might be possible. But, the Rhodesia, Algeria type scenarios are also possible.

Yeah right. Israeli Jews are the problem, and not Arab Muslims who have tried to commit genocide on Jews in their own holy land for the last 70 years. After all, we can see how Islam and its followers are such peaceful, tolerant people today. :cuckoo:
 
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Why do you insist on getting humiliated and pooped on in public?

Your propaganda has failed epically, troll.

Muslims are killing Christians all over the World and all this liar can spew about are the Jews?
 
I Would Like to See Gaza Drown in the Sea': Remembering the True Yitzhak Rabin, 20 Years After His Assassination
At an election debate in 1988, Israeli statesman Yitzkak Rabin touted his achievements as the Defense Minister who enacted the “broken bones” policy to suppress the first Palestinian Intifada.

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“They also know: 260 Palestinians were killed in the last two months!” he proclaimed to boisterous applause from his audience. “7,000 were wounded!” Rabin bragged. “18,000 were arrested!”


He continued boastfully, “5,600 are currently in prison. Are these trivial numbers? Are these trivial numbers?”

This week marks the 20th anniversary of Rabin’s assassination by a right-wing fanatic seeking to scuttle Israeli negotiations with the Palestinians. The past days have been occasion for wistful remembrances of the martyred former Prime Minister by Bill Clinton and a who’s who of the obsolete Israeli “peace camp” that fought for a two state solution.

With his attempts to forge the U.S.-brokered Oslo Accords, Rabin became an icon of liberal Zionism. For the Palestinians, however, he was anything but a man of peace. And, in fact, he never supported an honest two-state solution.

During his campaign in 1992, Rabin warned that a Palestinian state could only be established on the ruins of Israel. Indeed, Rabin was opposed to the creation of a viable Palestinian state, favoring instead a form of limited autonomy in Bantustan-style population centers overseen by dictatorial security forces that coordinated repression with the Israeli army.

'I Would Like to See Gaza Drown in the Sea': Remembering the True Yitzhak Rabin, 20 Years After His Assassination





And this is what happens when you resort to violence, terrorism and wholesale slaughter of innocents, you find that you end up being slaughtered instead.
 
Starting in the mid 1800s, the European Jews invaded Palestine with the intent to colonize Palestine through genocide and/or ethnic cleansing of the Christians and Muslim native people. The Christians and Muslims have been defending themselves since then.

Your repeated that claim 1000 times and it's been provenwrong 1000 times as well.

It has been confirmed by Zionist declarations, in writing you moron.





No it has been confirmed from only one source that is highly suspect and linked to white supremacism. A bit like the khazaar theory and the protocols that only have one source.

Do you have a credible source to disprove?

For what? To see you slither away like a worm like you always do?



He is very good at doing that when he is proven wrong, which seems to happen a lot lately................ Now I wonder what his request had to do with Obama conceding that the M.E peace is beyond reach
 
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I'm not understanding the flow in this thread. It's gonna take a bit to read thru..
Go open an appropriate beverage and relax a bit..
 
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Thought the page indexing was screwed up or something there. Couldn't follow the thread.
And THEN I discovered it's just pages of "old business" and source challenges and various off-topic banter.

Look -- If the argument is already off-topic --- don't make it worse by prolonging it. It's been fought over before and no one cares anymore if it isn't resolved. Kinda like the topic you're SUPPOSED to be discussing..

Lightened the conversation by about 14 posts -- so that folks can drop in and discuss THIS topic..
 
Never trust Obama..this story doesn't mean anything
 
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