Now we know. It's the Tea Party's fault!!!

[The T]

Your reality doesn't mesh well with the rest of the world. When the President shuts out the GOP, tells them to sit in the back of the bus and shut up....I don't consider that working with the opposition.

Mature people understand that they cannot get what they want. Obama needs to learn that lesson I suppose. It is time for the Democrats to compromise.

And to boot remind them (John McCain in particuliar), that he won and it was his way or the highway.

Yep. Kind of hard to do business when you tell your supplier that I'm only going to pay 21 cents for your 3 dollar item.

Hmm...except in Obama's case, he want to spend 3 dollars for a 21 cent item......

And then make excuses for rising unemployment...and say we are recovering for what? The third 'Summer Of Recovery'?...

 

[Foxfyre]

Comprimising?

Absolutely. Compromising..........open to discussion and ideas.........pragmatic.

The narrative that nutters have created about President Obama is without merit. The facts point to a guy who has made every effort to work with the GOP. Thinking people know this...........thus he will remain in office.

Your reality doesn't mesh well with the rest of the world. When the President shuts out the GOP, tells them to sit in the back of the bus and shut up....I don't consider that working with the opposition.

Mature people understand that they cannot get what they want. Obama needs to learn that lesson I suppose. It is time for the Democrats to compromise.

Exactly. His Arrogance's exact words the first time the Republicans attempted to work out a compromise: "I won."

And his line of Republicans being welcome to 'come along but they have to sit in back' line was pretty much the last nail in the coffin of any hope of compromise or working together.

The Tea Party influenced Republicans in the House have now sent dozens of bills to the Senate where they all die and are never even acknowledged, much less considered. And Biden has the gall to blame the Tea Party for being obstructionists?

 

[The T]

Absolutely. Compromising..........open to discussion and ideas.........pragmatic.

The narrative that nutters have created about President Obama is without merit. The facts point to a guy who has made every effort to work with the GOP. Thinking people know this...........thus he will remain in office.

Your reality doesn't mesh well with the rest of the world. When the President shuts out the GOP, tells them to sit in the back of the bus and shut up....I don't consider that working with the opposition.

Mature people understand that they cannot get what they want. Obama needs to learn that lesson I suppose. It is time for the Democrats to compromise.

Exactly. His Arrogance's exact words the first time the Republicans attempted to work out a compromise: "I won."

And his line of Republicans being welcome to 'come along but they have to sit in back' line was pretty much the last nail in the coffin of any hope of compromise or working together.

The Tea Party influenced Republicans in the House have now sent dozens of bills to the Senate where they all die and are never even acknowledged, much less considered. And Biden has the gall to blame the Tea Party for being obstructionists?

The whole plan from the left is to blame Republicans.

 

[Foxfyre]

It has always amazed me that the Republicans did everything bad when they had the power. And the Democrats, with a much stronger majority than what the Republians have had, were not in power and therefore unable to stop the Republicans from doing anything.

So the Democrats gain power in Congress beginning January 2007 but George W. Bush was President so everything bad that happened was still the fault of the Republicans.

Then the Democrats gained the White House AND a substantial majority in the House beginning January, 2009, and that included a super majority in the Senate for most of the first year, but it was those nasty Republicans who blocked all the good stuff.

The Democrats still have the Senate and the White House and a strong minority in the House, but of course they can't get anything accomplished because of those obstructionist Republicans. Republicans now influenced by the Tea Party.

Just brings a tear to your eye doesn't it?

It appears that the only way that the Democrats can be effective is with a 100% majority in Congress and hold the White House. . Even then, I suspect they will still blame Bush.

 

[The T]

It has always amazed me that the Republicans did everything bad when they had the power. And the Democrats, with a much stronger majority than what the Republians have had, were not in power and therefore unable to stop the Republicans from doing anything.

So the Democrats gain power in Congress beginning January 2007 but George W. Bush was President so everything bad that happened was still the fault of the Republicans.

Then the Democrats gained the White House AND a substantial majority in the House beginning January, 2009, and that included a super majority in the Senate for most of the first year, but it was those nasty Republicans who blocked all the good stuff.

The Democrats still have the Senate and the White House and a strong minority in the House, but of course they can't get anything accomplished because of those obstructionist Republicans. Republicans now influenced by the Tea Party.

Just brings a tear to your eye doesn't it?

It appears that the only way that the Democrats can be effective is with a 100% majority in Congress and hold the White House. . Even then, I suspect they will still blame Bush.

It's thier way. Run things into chaos...blame the other guys...then legislate more of the same to fix it...this cycle has to cease.

 

[Mustang]

According to Joe Biden, the economy would be fixed if it just hadn't been for that nasty old Tea Party. (Presumably we would also have a chicken in every pot, a car in every garage, the millionaires would have been humbled, corporate welfare would be ended, and everybody would be healthy, wealthy, and wise too??????)

Vice President Joe Biden admitted to a group of supporters in New Hampshire this afternoon that the President would have been able help the economy "much, more" if the Tea Party hadn't taken the House.

Biden showed the audience the Obama campaigns chart of job growth during the President's first term in office and accused the Tea Party for stalling the recovery, because of the debt limit fight.
Biden: Tea Party stopped us from growing economy | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

Of course we dont want to mention the two years that President Obama had a super majority in the Senate, a healthy majority in the House for his first two years while he ran up trillion dollar plus deficits and passed a healthcare bill that now a large majority of Americans want repealed and the Supreme Court will probably declare unconstitutional. And he didn't do a damn thing to fix the economy.

The collective tea party knowledge of macroeconomics is shockingly limited. Engaging in widespread spending cuts at a time of economic contraction is a recipe for an economic death spiral.

 

[Foxfyre]

According to Joe Biden, the economy would be fixed if it just hadn't been for that nasty old Tea Party. (Presumably we would also have a chicken in every pot, a car in every garage, the millionaires would have been humbled, corporate welfare would be ended, and everybody would be healthy, wealthy, and wise too??????)

Vice President Joe Biden admitted to a group of supporters in New Hampshire this afternoon that the President would have been able help the economy "much, more" if the Tea Party hadn't taken the House.

Biden showed the audience the Obama campaigns chart of job growth during the President's first term in office and accused the Tea Party for stalling the recovery, because of the debt limit fight.
Biden: Tea Party stopped us from growing economy | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

Of course we dont want to mention the two years that President Obama had a super majority in the Senate, a healthy majority in the House for his first two years while he ran up trillion dollar plus deficits and passed a healthcare bill that now a large majority of Americans want repealed and the Supreme Court will probably declare unconstitutional. And he didn't do a damn thing to fix the economy.

The collective tea party knowledge of macroeconomics is shockingly limited. Engaging in widespread spending cuts at a time of economic contraction is a recipe for an economic death spiral.

I'm not aware of the Tea Party engaging in any macroeconomics or microeconomics or focusing on anything other than wasteful or inappropriate government spending. They have not specified HOW anything must be done and are pretty careful not to do that. They are strong on specifying what the goals must be, however, and putting people in government who will pledge to work to achieve them.

The goals are smaller, more efficient, more effective government, fiscal responsibility and sanity, and a return to our Constitutional roots of unalienable rights and individual liberty. The people with sufficient credentials and/or know how to work on that are the people that the Tea Party gives their blessings and votes.

 

[Firehorse]

Everyone wants to be tea party friends before the election to get their votes (it's one of the things that deprecate us from OWS boobs. However, those already in office don't want anything to do with us, because we expect those that we put in office to do what we sent them there for.

No tea party candidate is being elected to 'cross the aisle' in the spirit of compromise ... Not a one. Why would we elect such a person? The system in DC is BROKEN. The people there have broken it.

Is someone screws up your job, do you work with them to fix it, or do you kick them out and fix it yourself?

I've posted it before and it still stands. The tea party isn't a part of the GOP, they are, as we post, being run through the ringer (establishment types) ... We are not just going to target Dems ... Though they will feel a terrible sting this coming November. We are not just targeting the Prez, though he will be sent packing without much fanfare. ... We are targeting Reps too, though they are being targeted in their primarys

 

[Darkwind]

It is absolutely shocking that people are ignorant of the resources and energy that government saps from any economic system, but the harm is incredible when that drain is on a free market, capitalistic system. Put all economic systems together, and a free market will outperform any of them, or all them combined, to the tune of two orders of magnitude. Government is the great poverty maker in that it levels out the power of a free market to that of a failed social system, not even realizing that if the power of a capitalistic system is set loose, the economic activity would be enormous.

Careful planning and wise management of government would see the opportunity to tap into that enormous resource at a very low level, and reap the rewards of such a system without endangering the host system. An economy that is running growth at 8 - 12% would yield more value to a well-run government than the current 'destroy the provider' mentality that exists today.

 

[Foxfyre]

Everyone wants to be tea party friends before the election to get their votes (it's one of the things that deprecate us from OWS boobs. However, those already in office don't want anything to do with us, because we expect those that we put in office to do what we sent them there for.

No tea party candidate is being elected to 'cross the aisle' in the spirit of compromise ... Not a one. Why would we elect such a person? The system in DC is BROKEN. The people there have broken it.

Is someone screws up your job, do you work with them to fix it, or do you kick them out and fix it yourself?

I've posted it before and it still stands. The tea party isn't a part of the GOP, they are, as we post, being run through the ringer (establishment types) ... We are not just going to target Dems ... Though they will feel a terrible sting this coming November. We are not just targeting the Prez, though he will be sent packing without much fanfare. ... We are targeting Reps too, though they are being targeted in their primarys

Yep. And the leftwing media tries to make that look as ugly as they can, and our leftist friends here enthusiastically gobble that up and post it over and over and over. I don't recall a single case of the leftwing media actually reprsenting the Tea Party accurately or ethically. But such is not a priority for them these days nor is accuracy or ethics a priority for those who feel compelled to trash the Tea Party.

Yours is a good post except for one gentle correction. We DO have good, honorable, capable people now in Congress who still DO support the Tea Party goals and who are keeping their pledges to their Tea Party supporters. You know them because they are the ones most hated and targeted by the Left.

The Tea Party is being successful in changing the character and focus of Congress though we still have a long way to go. And when we do manage to get somebody elected, we hold their feet to the fire.

 

[Mustang]

According to Joe Biden, the economy would be fixed if it just hadn't been for that nasty old Tea Party. (Presumably we would also have a chicken in every pot, a car in every garage, the millionaires would have been humbled, corporate welfare would be ended, and everybody would be healthy, wealthy, and wise too??????)

Of course we dont want to mention the two years that President Obama had a super majority in the Senate, a healthy majority in the House for his first two years while he ran up trillion dollar plus deficits and passed a healthcare bill that now a large majority of Americans want repealed and the Supreme Court will probably declare unconstitutional. And he didn't do a damn thing to fix the economy.

The collective tea party knowledge of macroeconomics is shockingly limited. Engaging in widespread spending cuts at a time of economic contraction is a recipe for an economic death spiral.

I'm not aware of the Tea Party engaging in any macroeconomics or microeconomics or focusing on anything other than wasteful or inappropriate government spending. They have not specified HOW anything must be done and are pretty careful not to do that. They are strong on specifying what the goals must be, however, and putting people in government who will pledge to work to achieve them.

The goals are smaller, more efficient, more effective government, fiscal responsibility and sanity, and a return to our Constitutional roots of unalienable rights and individual liberty. The people with sufficient credentials and/or know how to work on that are the people that the Tea Party gives their blessings and votes.

Tea Part Republicans have been calling for massive spending cuts in the midst of the current economic downturn.

 

[The T]

Everyone wants to be tea party friends before the election to get their votes (it's one of the things that deprecate us from OWS boobs. However, those already in office don't want anything to do with us, because we expect those that we put in office to do what we sent them there for.

No tea party candidate is being elected to 'cross the aisle' in the spirit of compromise ... Not a one. Why would we elect such a person? The system in DC is BROKEN. The people there have broken it.

Is someone screws up your job, do you work with them to fix it, or do you kick them out and fix it yourself?

I've posted it before and it still stands. The tea party isn't a part of the GOP, they are, as we post, being run through the ringer (establishment types) ... We are not just going to target Dems ... Though they will feel a terrible sting this coming November. We are not just targeting the Prez, though he will be sent packing without much fanfare. ... We are targeting Reps too, though they are being targeted in their primarys

KEY since the elites as already described are in this for power, prestige, and embellishing themselves for thier sake and NOT on behalf of those that elected them save for a few boubles and trinquets thrown our way.

The current system is broke...and those not willing to really fix it need to step out of the way instead of gladhanding the other side to appear as they are doing something before the cameras and mics.

The only thing they appear is glib, and part of the problem as they sew thier retirements at our expense. High time they really earned it.

Lead, Follow, or get the Hell out of the way. Too many people are hurting to continue these shenanigans.

SOSDD just doesn't cut it any longer.

 

[Foxfyre]

It is absolutely shocking that people are ignorant of the resources and energy that government saps from any economic system, but the harm is incredible when that drain is on a free market, capitalistic system. Put all economic systems together, and a free market will outperform any of them, or all them combined, to the tune of two orders of magnitude. Government is the great poverty maker in that it levels out the power of a free market to that of a failed social system, not even realizing that if the power of a capitalistic system is set loose, the economic activity would be enormous.

Careful planning and wise management of government would see the opportunity to tap into that enormous resource at a very low level, and reap the rewards of such a system without endangering the host system. An economy that is running growth at 8 - 12% would yield more value to a well-run government than the current 'destroy the provider' mentality that exists today.

Amen and amen.

Despite Mustang's recital of the dishonest leftwing anti-Tea Party talking points, no Tea Party group I know about has told anybody in Congress what spending they must cut or how much.

What the Tea Partiers have demanded is that Congress and the President be respectful of the people's treasury and hard earned dollars and use them only for what absolutely has to be spent and to get the best bang for the buck when they do that. Tea Partiers are calling for an end to spending that is for no other purpose than to increase the power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth of those in govenrment.

Every dollar swallowed up in the massive bureaucracy adds practically nothing to the economy but removes a dollar that is not available to save for others to borrow, invest to help grow businesses, hire people/increase wages and benefits, or spend to generate economic activity. That is also why government spending is so ineffective to stimulate the economy in the long term. Government has to remove a dollar from the economy in order to spend it.

If government can be rolled back to do only those things that government must do to secure our rights and promote the general welfare, meaning everybody's welfare and not just groups who will vote for their benefactors, and leave the rest of the money with the private sector, we will again see America become the most productive, innovative, creative, prosperous, and compassionate nation on Earth.

 

[The T]

It is absolutely shocking that people are ignorant of the resources and energy that government saps from any economic system, but the harm is incredible when that drain is on a free market, capitalistic system. Put all economic systems together, and a free market will outperform any of them, or all them combined, to the tune of two orders of magnitude. Government is the great poverty maker in that it levels out the power of a free market to that of a failed social system, not even realizing that if the power of a capitalistic system is set loose, the economic activity would be enormous.

Careful planning and wise management of government would see the opportunity to tap into that enormous resource at a very low level, and reap the rewards of such a system without endangering the host system. An economy that is running growth at 8 - 12% would yield more value to a well-run government than the current 'destroy the provider' mentality that exists today.

Amen and amen.

Despite Mustang's recital of the dishonest leftwing anti-Tea Party talking points, no Tea Party group I know about has told anybody in Congress what spending they must cut or how much.

What the Tea Partiers have demanded is that Congress and the President be respectful of the people's treasury and hard earned dollars and use them only for what absolutely has to be spent and to get the best bang for the buck when they do that. Tea Partiers are calling for an end to spending that is for no other purpose than to increase the power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth of those in govenrment.

Every dollar swallowed up in the massive bureaucracy adds practically nothing to the economy but removes a dollar that is not available to save for others to borrow, invest to help grow businesses, hire people/increase wages and benefits, or spend to generate economic activity. That is also why government spending is so effective to stimulate the economy in the long term. Government has to remove a dollar from the economy in order to spend it.

If government can be rolled back to do only those things that government must do to secure our rights and promote the general welfare, meaning everybody's welfare and not just groups who will vote for their benefactors, and leave the rest of the money with the private sector, we will again see America become the most productive, innovative, creative, prosperous, and compassionate nation on Earth.

adhering to Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution would be a nice start.

 

[Catalist]

Fine, and true. Yet we can not deny that the Tea Party movement has created a group of people pretty much politically undefined prior to this. Tea Party is part of the political landscape.

We must admit the way the Tea Party and #OWS go after each other is rather funny to us independent voters, frustrating as hell, but funny. I say let them fight it out, someone needs to get Obama off his mediocre, middle of the road, moderate, pseudo-liberal, compromising ass!

Comprimising?

TEA Party doesn't compromise...but insists... and makes it stick at the ballot box.

I guess we will all find out about the Tea Party and compromise on election day this November, so I will let that go for now.

I am addressing the point of Obama and compromise. As an independent perhaps I see this better than my ultra-right thinking colleagues here in USMB. Please consider.

When George W. Bush was elected by a smaller margin than Obama, he announced to Congress who he was, and that he was in charge. Bush used the established political methods of pushing his agenda. Obama on the the other hand spent two years waving an olive branch at Republicans. He was weak. Certainly, no LBJ Democrat. Obama pissed away his power. He promised jobs and delivered health care. He promise bank regulations, and delivered a watered-down bill. Even John Boehner said he got 90% of what he wanted.

We had the largest financial scandal in American history. Democrats controlled the White House and Congress. We never saw any hearings, and no one went to jail. President Obama was legally in a position to nationalize all the big banks, and let them off the hook. While I think Obama made the right moves by listening to Geitner instead of Volker, the ultra-left is still mad that Obama did not nationalize the big banks when he could have. Even the British criticized Obama for being weak on his handling of the big banks. Government funds to banks from Obama were put into lobbying efforts for deregulation. Obama sold out his base. Then Main Street U.S.A suffered for it, while stock market profits and the big banks zoomed to fantastic heights.

The Democratic base is not whole-heartedly behind reelecting Obama, and I agree. Obama was willing to negotiate Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid during the debt-ceiling talks. That was the last straw for many in the Democratic base. Obama had sold out the principles of FDR, JFK, and LBJ.

Chances are good this time that I may reverse my 2008 vote for Obama, and go for Romney. I believe Romney is a stronger candidate than McCain. In spite of all the talk, I think a Republican can do more for employment working with the Republican private sector than compromising Barry can. The right has been focused on their own party, and may have missed the shaky foundation of the Democratic base. These liberals are so mad at Obama they could stay home and let Romney win.

 

[Foxfyre]

Comprimising?

TEA Party doesn't compromise...but insists... and makes it stick at the ballot box.

I guess we will all find out about the Tea Party and compromise on election day this November, so I will let that go for now.

I am addressing the point of Obama and compromise. As an independent perhaps I see this better than my ultra-right thinking colleagues here in USMB. Please consider.

When George W. Bush was elected by a smaller margin than Obama, he announced to Congress who he was, and that he was in charge. Bush used the established political methods of pushing his agenda. Obama on the the other hand spent two years waving an olive branch at Republicans. He was weak. Certainly, no LBJ Democrat. Obama pissed away his power. He promised jobs and delivered health care. He promise bank regulations, and delivered a watered-down bill. Even John Boehner said he got 90% of what he wanted.

We had the largest financial scandal in American history. Democrats controlled the White House and Congress. We never saw any hearings, and no one went to jail. President Obama was legally in a position to nationalize all the big banks, and let them off the hook. While I think Obama made the right moves by listening to Geitner instead of Volker, the ultra-left is still mad that Obama did not nationalize the big banks when he could have. Even the British criticized Obama for being weak on his handling of the big banks. Government funds to banks from Obama were put into lobbying efforts for deregulation. Obama sold out his base. Then Main Street U.S.A suffered for it, while stock market profits and the big banks zoomed to fantastic heights.

The Democratic base is not whole-heartedly behind reelecting Obama, and I agree. Obama was willing to negotiate Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid during the debt-ceiling talks. That was the last straw for many in the Democratic base. Obama had sold out the principles of FDR, JFK, and LBJ.

Chances are good this time that I may reverse my 2008 vote for Obama, and go for Romney. I believe Romney is a stronger candidate than McCain. In spite of all the talk, I think a Republican can do more for employment working with the Republican private sector than compromising Barry can. The right has been focused on their own party, and may have missed the shaky foundation of the Democratic base. These liberals are so mad at Obama they could stay home and let Romney win.

Assuming that your perceptions are accurate, and I would say that most of us would not agree that they are, this relates to Biden and the Tea Party.....how?

 

[Mustang]

It is absolutely shocking that people are ignorant of the resources and energy that government saps from any economic system, but the harm is incredible when that drain is on a free market, capitalistic system. Put all economic systems together, and a free market will outperform any of them, or all them combined, to the tune of two orders of magnitude. Government is the great poverty maker in that it levels out the power of a free market to that of a failed social system, not even realizing that if the power of a capitalistic system is set loose, the economic activity would be enormous.

Careful planning and wise management of government would see the opportunity to tap into that enormous resource at a very low level, and reap the rewards of such a system without endangering the host system. An economy that is running growth at 8 - 12% would yield more value to a well-run government than the current 'destroy the provider' mentality that exists today.

Amen and amen.

Despite Mustang's recital of the dishonest leftwing anti-Tea Party talking points, no Tea Party group I know about has told anybody in Congress what spending they must cut or how much.

What the Tea Partiers have demanded is that Congress and the President be respectful of the people's treasury and hard earned dollars and use them only for what absolutely has to be spent and to get the best bang for the buck when they do that. Tea Partiers are calling for an end to spending that is for no other purpose than to increase the power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth of those in govenrment.

Every dollar swallowed up in the massive bureaucracy adds practically nothing to the economy but removes a dollar that is not available to save for others to borrow, invest to help grow businesses, hire people/increase wages and benefits, or spend to generate economic activity. That is also why government spending is so ineffective to stimulate the economy in the long term. Government has to remove a dollar from the economy in order to spend it.

If government can be rolled back to do only those things that government must do to secure our rights and promote the general welfare, meaning everybody's welfare and not just groups who will vote for their benefactors, and leave the rest of the money with the private sector, we will again see America become the most productive, innovative, creative, prosperous, and compassionate nation on Earth.

While I can agree that some gov't spending often can be inefficient compared to private sector spending (often due to private sector corruption in securing gov't spending), everything you wrote in the highlighted part is drivel. The last sentence is a laugh riot of foolish nonsense.

The overwhelming problem in the economy currently is a lack of demand. Macro economically speaking, when demand is down, it doesn't matter from where increased spending comes from in order to further "prime" overall demand. Gov't spending works just like any other spending. In fact, over the years there have been countless studies and analyses of how much economic activity is generated by each dollar of gov't spending in various areas.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Tea Part Republicans have been calling for massive spending cuts in the midst of the current economic downturn.

Whereas you look to Athens and the concept that more, unsustainable debt is the answer to all problems......

 

[Mustang]

Tea Part Republicans have been calling for massive spending cuts in the midst of the current economic downturn.

Whereas you look to Athens and the concept that more, unsustainable debt is the answer to all problems......

The situation in Greece and Europe is not the same as in the US. The Europeans unwisely created a unified currency encompassing 17 nations without a unified political system to go with it that would have had uniform economic policy.

 

[Foxfyre]

Socialism will fail everywhere it is tried because it requires too much government money in relation to private sector money. Totalitarian communisim is the ultimate in government spending and has never failed to produce massive deprivation and misery.

Before we started liberalizing/socializing our own economy, it was the most innovative, productive, creative, prosperous, and most free economy that had ever existed.

some of our liberal friends really REALLY do not seem to want to look at that truth or the reality of that situation.