Now the we are older, is there anything you are grateful for being a part of?

[citygator]

American “getting along” during your time. Seemed better because you were young and carefree, not because it was better.

Kent State

 

[sparky]

I'm grateful to have made it this far........~S~

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

I am grateful for having lived in the 20th century, living in the 21st century, and having had the family I was a part of.

 

[toobfreak]

Now the we are older, is there anything you are grateful for being a part of?​

What? Are you kidding? You cannot imagine. If I were to even try to tell you, you'd just think I was making it up. Even now, you are already thinking that I'm just bragging not even telling you anything.

But trust me.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Fine.
But Creepy-puss is consistently an asshole, always the skunk at the garden party. I probably should just put him on Ignore because he really pisses me off with his shitty remarks.

dam crep i cant take you anywhere....

 

[1srelluc]

I'm grateful for what my dad taught me.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

I was born in 1982 and by the time that I was ten years old, I loved watching CMT which of course stood for Country Music Television. Sadly, it's been fifteen years now since I took the station as seriously as I used to back when I was a kid. Now the network isn't even about the music anymore.

God bless you always!!!

Holly (a girl who will forever miss those days)

 

[LibertyWeeps]

American “getting along” during your time. Seemed better because you were young and carefree, not because it was better.

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Kent State
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Never said it was perfect.
It was better though.

 

[0311]

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I am grateful for living in the era of :

Doris Day
Donna Summer
Olivia Newton John
John Candy
Robin Williams
Annie Lennox
Carol Burnett
The 70's
The 80's
Growing up outside
My Grandma
America when it had a sense of humor and people basically got along

My Military Service.

Being with my Mother when she passed.

Watching the Manned Landing on the Moon.

The Temptations.

The Supremes.

 

[Ava]

I'm most grateful for never being daring to be different. I'm most grateful for my parents' role modeling as a young girl. Those basics set me "free to be." I'm grateful to have been born in America, the land of opportunity that opened all those doors I flew through. They all led to a better adventure. I'm being blessed.

 

[citygator]

Never said it was perfect.
It was better though.

No. It wasnt. I’ll grant you that Trump is screwing things up but almost EVERYTHING is better now.

1. Crime is much lower - just feels worse with instant news access
2. Health outcomes are better - although receded in 2020 - still much better than 80s-90s
3. Consumer products are significantly more affordable and safer
4. Pollution is lower and toxic products are nearly gone
5. Civil rights, while being violated by ICE, is generally better
6. Technology has significantly improved convenience
7. There are more national parks, 63 now vs about 35
8. Further from nuclear war than we were in 70s/80s
9. Sex abuse and physical abuse isnt nearly as covered up as it was- Epstein notwithstanding
10. Cars and travel deaths are about half what they were due to safety features and laws
11. Work is less physically punishing due to tools and technology advancements
12. Information access is infinitely more accessible (even though so is misinformtion)


There are very few things worse off now other than perhaps average weight and terrible leaders.

It boils down to

1. You are more informed now so you see more of fewer issues.
2. You are older now and everything seems carefree in youth.

 

[HikerGuy83]

No. It wasnt. I’ll grant you that Trump is screwing things up but almost EVERYTHING is better now.

1. Crime is much lower - just feels worse with instant news access
2. Health outcomes are better - although receded in 2020 - still much better than 80s-90s
3. Consumer products are significantly more affordable and safer
4. Pollution is lower and toxic products are nearly gone
5. Civil rights, while being violated by ICE, is generally better
6. Technology has significantly improved convenience
7. There are more national parks, 63 now vs about 35
8. Further from nuclear war than we were in 70s/80s
9. Sex abuse and physical abuse isnt nearly as covered up as it was- Epstein notwithstanding
10. Cars and travel deaths are about half what they were due to safety features and laws
11. Work is less physically punishing due to tools and technology advancements
12. Information access is infinitely more accessible (even though so is misinformtion)


There are very few things worse off now other than perhaps average weight and terrible leaders.

It boils down to

1. You are more informed now so you see more of fewer issues.
2. You are older now and everything seems carefree in youth.

1. Depression rates in women are up by 40% over 2015
2. Loneliness among young people is considered "epidemic"
3. 40% of children are born out of wedlock
4. 36 million people live in poverty (although I question the metrics)
5. We are more cynical now than in the past.

 

[citygator]

1. Depression rates in women are up by 40% over 2015
2. Loneliness among young people is considered "epidemic"
3. 40% of children are born out of wedlock
4. 36 million people live in poverty (although I question the metrics)
5. We are more cynical now than in the past.

Most of your points are a result of improved diagnoses and information. Depression rates and loneliness went undiagnosed and understudied and cynicism comes from being informed but uneducated leaving less in wonder.

You cant point to poverty as an issue in one post then spend the rest of your posting history knocking poverty fighting tools, healthcare, and poverty support. Inequity is a big problem today and is a major issue from the 90’s deregulation on labor and the tax structure. People are better off still but they should be much better off which is a point of yours that I agree with.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Most of your points are a result of improved diagnoses and information.

Not that you'd provide numbers or analysis of anything. Being generally dismissive is a sign of intellectual laziness on your part. Something you demonstrate on a routine basis.

New data from CDC's National Center for Health Statistics indicate that the prevalence of depression in U.S. adolescents and adults increased 60% in the past decade, according to data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES).

New Reports Highlight Depression Prevalence and Medication Use in the U.S.

Prevalence of depression in U.S. adolescents and adults increased 60% in the past decade

www.cdc.gov

If anything, the tendency to throw meds at things was greater 10 years ago which only amplifies the problem.

Even before the Surgeon General declared lonliness an epdiemic, Robert Putnam in his book Bowling Alone was able to show that we are becoming more isolated as a society than previous generations....to our detriment.

Children out of wedlock isn't a trend up. It's a mess and been one for a long time. In the county to the north of me, in the 2000 to 2010 time frame...which was predominantly black, 65% of all births were out of wedlock and 90% of those were to black mothers.

Maybe if you didn't live in a gated neighborhood with servants, you'd be a little more aware. Enjoy Tahiti. I hope you choke on the olive in whatever drink you use to soak your worthless brain.

You cant point to poverty as an issue in one post then spend the rest of your posting history knocking poverty fighting tools, healthcare, and poverty support.

I can do and post whatever I want. And your moralizing ass means nothing to me.

Inequity is a big problem today and is a major issue from the 90’s deregulation on labor and the tax structure.

Inequality in what? You don't need money to adhere to have a wife/husband stay in the marriage despite the 20 divorces your favorite movie star brags about. You can raise children to have good morals. Taking them to church and doing family things will help a great deal as will not letting their peers help raise them and certainly by not letting them watch the absolute garbage on our super technology cable TVS of today. Parents have always been the biggest player in a childs education and today they are more absent than ever (based on the results we see and so much of what comes out of the local school systems around me). Education isn't always going to produce good income, but it will help people feel more confident in what they are attempting to do.

Your SJW bull**** is just that. More regulation isn't going to correct fundamental human greediness and entitlement.

People are better off still but they should be much better off which is a point of yours that I agree with.

I can only assume you mean finances here. Which is your only metric.

As when you posted your slanted thread on the happiness of the laplands (something I've watched for as long as the WHO has published their World Happiness Report), you miss or won't acknowledge (although researchers are on it....you might wake up the fact that just chasing a narrative does not make you look smart) that they have huge cultural factors that play in. The Fins are tough and they teach a kind of toughness that isn't mean. And that is what makes their system so much more attractive.

Our woke (and "oh, you hurt my feelings") attitude, along with our high propensity to destroy families and automate the raising of children.

Finland isn't great when it comes to marriage, but it has a great reputation when it comes to emphasis on family time. They have a great paternity leave program and their culture places great emphasis on families.

And it appears their schools place a great deal of emphasis on things other than standardized testing.

We've tried to assembly line children (and schools were created to be huge babysitting services....they just to be good at educating too) all the while ****ing up the family structure they need.

But according to you, the kids rolling out of that should be happy to have more money even though suicide rates have gone up dramatically since 2000.

This country is so screwed up it would almost be laughable (if it wasn't so sad).

 

[citygator]

Not that you'd provide numbers or analysis of anything. Being generally dismissive is a sign of intellectual laziness on your part. Something you demonstrate on a routine basis.

I tried to be polite in my response and every response I give cant be reams of links and support. I’d be here all day. I am killing time until it warms up a bit to head up the mountain for a 5 mile hike.

New data from CDC's National Center for Health Statistics indicate that the prevalence of depression in U.S. adolescents and adults increased 60% in the past decade, according to data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES).

New Reports Highlight Depression Prevalence and Medication Use in the U.S.

Prevalence of depression in U.S. adolescents and adults increased 60% in the past decade

www.cdc.gov

If anything, the tendency to throw meds at things was greater 10 years ago which only amplifies the problem.

Even before the Surgeon General declared lonliness an epdiemic, Robert Putnam in his book Bowling Alone was able to show that we are becoming more isolated as a society than previous generations....to our detriment.

I am saying that the majority of the increase is improved diagnostics. These two studies show that:

The Impact of Systematic Depression Screening in Primary Care on Depression Identification and Treatment in a Large Health Care System: A Cohort Study - PMC

Unless implementation of systematic depression screening is associated with timely treatment, quality measures based on screening are unlikely to improve outcomes. To assess the impact of integrating systematic depression screening with clinical ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2795293

Children out of wedlock isn't a trend up. It's a mess and been one for a long time. In the county to the north of me, in the 2000 to 2010 time frame...which was predominantly black, 65% of all births were out of wedlock and 90% of those were to black mothers.

Maybe if you didn't live in a gated neighborhood with servants, you'd be a little more aware. Enjoy Tahiti. I hope you choke on the olive in whatever drink you use to soak your worthless brain.

Why so angry? A lot of out of wedlock birth increases come from late marriage ages and the trend to live together before marriage. Divorce rates were sky high back then so you’d get married have a kid and get divorced - almost half were ending in divorce. Now they aren’t getting married and divorced so divorce rates have plummeted. Hmmm. Things to learn.

I can do and post whatever I want. And your moralizing ass means nothing to me.

I think calling you out on your hypocrisy is fair game. You did it even in this one post: Complaining about poverty rates and then disavowing any interest in addressing calling it your prerogative to hold those diametrically opposed positions. Ok. I’ll still call your ass out.

Inequality in what? You don't need money to adhere to have a wife/husband stay in the marriage despite the 20 divorces your favorite movie star brags about. You can raise children to have good morals. Taking them to church and doing family things will help a great deal as will not letting their peers help raise them and certainly by not letting them watch the absolute garbage on our super technology cable TVS of today. Parents have always been the biggest player in a childs education and today they are more absent than ever (based on the results we see and so much of what comes out of the local school systems around me). Education isn't always going to produce good income, but it will help people feel more confident in what they are attempting to do.

I just told you divorce rates are down. Get new talking points.

Your SJW bull**** is just that. More regulation isn't going to correct fundamental human greediness and entitlement.

Again more hypocrisy. Complain about poverty and then call anything that addresses it SJW bullcrap. You are predictably bereft of foundational beliefs. You just type the opposite of what i type.

I can only assume you mean finances here. Which is your only metric.

As when you posted your slanted thread on the happiness of the laplands (something I've watched for as long as the WHO has published their World Happiness Report), you miss or won't acknowledge (although researchers are on it....you might wake up the fact that just chasing a narrative does not make you look smart) that they have huge cultural factors that play in. The Fins are tough and they teach a kind of toughness that isn't mean. And that is what makes their system so much more attractive.

Our woke (and "oh, you hurt my feelings") attitude, along with our high propensity to destroy families and automate the raising of children.

Finland isn't great when it comes to marriage, but it has a great reputation when it comes to emphasis on family time. They have a great paternity leave program and their culture places great emphasis on families.

Woke is just a made up term to throw in anything that makes you feel uncomfortable. It is scientifically proven that conservatives can’t deal with change or ambiguity at all. It scares them and causes racism, xenophobia, homophobia, and a long list of issues. None of those are diagnosed mental health issues but should be.

And it appears their schools place a great deal of emphasis on things other than standardized testing.

Meh that’s a whole other thread.

We've tried to assembly line children (and schools were created to be huge babysitting services....they just to be good at educating too) all the while ****ing up the family structure they need.

But according to you, the kids rolling out of that should be happy to have more money even though suicide rates have gone up dramatically since 2000.

This country is so screwed up it would almost be laughable (if it wasn't so sad).

This country is getting screwed up but your life is much better now than it was in the 60s/70s/80s/90s. I listed real progress and you listed ‘feels’.

 

[Hafar1014]

Ray Charles

 

[Mr Natural]

I'm thankful for being born into the generation that had (and has) the best of everything.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I am saying that the majority of the increase is improved diagnostics. These two studies show that:

Not hardly. They don't show anything of the sort.

Woke is just a made up term to throw in anything that makes you feel uncomfortable.

Keep working on that one. It sounds no less stupid now than it did when it first started being put up as a the idiot smoke screen it is.

It is scientifically proven that conservatives can’t deal with change or ambiguity at all.

What a laugher. First, when talking politics, there is no agreed upon definition of a conservative. Second, conservative (such as called out by Russel Kirk) can have nothing to do with politics. You simply can't resist using what you need to make it look like you know what you are talking about.

It scares them and causes racism, xenophobia, homophobia, and a long list of issues.

First, it does not cause them. They've always existed albeit latently. Second, how these are measured and detected would be very interesting to see. That you like applying these labels to those you don't agree with is pretty much your MO.

None of those are diagnosed mental health issues but should be.

Yes....well, the sick calling out the sick.

How funny.

This country is getting screwed up but your life is much better now than it was in the 60s/70s/80s/90s.

Except it isn't. Putnam's book is pretty good about why. And it shows it in demonstrable ways.

You only seem to care about peoples pocketbooks.

And you can tell everyone how great things are for their kids when they seem less inclinded to have kids because of how things are so messed up.

Why so angry? A lot of out of wedlock birth increases come from late marriage ages and the trend to live together before marriage. Divorce rates were sky high back then so you’d get married have a kid and get divorced - almost half were ending in divorce. Now they aren’t getting married and divorced so divorce rates have plummeted. Hmmm. Things to learn.

I have no clue as to what you are saying here.

Out of wedlock births up are up. Period.

I just told you divorce rates are down. Get new talking points.

I never said they weren't. But that has nothing to do with my post anyway.

Maybe you should get a little more sober before climbing on that bike.

I think calling you out on your hypocrisy is fair game.

Of course you think it is hypocrisy because you know best.

That's why after I hit the reply button, I am putting you on ignore. You represent that worst of the worst when it comes to the intelligentsia of this country. Acting smart, but totally lost in your own vision or alternate reality.

Complaining about poverty rates and then disavowing any interest in addressing calling it your prerogative to hold those diametrically opposed positions.

I have always expressed concerns about them. But I don't buy YOUR approach.

**** off.

I listed real progress and you listed ‘feels’.

Good job with that progress.

Everyone talks about how things are going to hell, but you know better.

And the feels you talk about are addressed, at length, by many psychologists of today. Our massive social media industry has not been a net positive according to them. Just look at this exchange. I could be more productive picking my nose than talking with a charlatan like you.

I have friends who in the same general position you are except they nowhere near as cemented in their views as you are. They allow for what is human on both sides and many agree that economic position is not the only metric used to determine quality of life.

That's why I've avoided the C-suite my entire life. I could never sell my soul the way they do. I advise them, I support them and I've seen how even the most plain technical data can be rearranged and selectively neglected to meet the political agenda of a leader who has long since become sub-human.

 

[Lisa558]

"This class will be taught by The Socratic Method".
I thought it was monotonous back in the day.
Now I know it was a better way than what some have seen.

Those were the days when teachers wanted to foster critical thinking. These days, that’s the last thing they want. They want students to be brainwashed into leftism.

 

[citygator]

Not hardly. They don't show anything of the sort.

Keep working on that one. It sounds no less stupid now than it did when it first started being put up as a the idiot smoke screen it is.


What a laugher. First, when talking politics, there is no agreed upon definition of a conservative. Second, conservative (such as called out by Russel Kirk) can have nothing to do with politics. You simply can't resist using what you need to make it look like you know what you are talking about.


First, it does not cause them. They've always existed albeit latently. Second, how these are measured and detected would be very interesting to see. That you like applying these labels to those you don't agree with is pretty much your MO.


Yes....well, the sick calling out the sick.

How funny.

Except it isn't. Putnam's book is pretty good about why. And it shows it in demonstrable ways.

You only seem to care about peoples pocketbooks.

And you can tell everyone how great things are for their kids when they seem less inclinded to have kids because of how things are so messed up.


I have no clue as to what you are saying here.

Out of wedlock births up are up. Period.


I never said they weren't. But that has nothing to do with my post anyway.

Maybe you should get a little more sober before climbing on that bike.

Of course you think it is hypocrisy because you know best.

That's why after I hit the reply button, I am putting you on ignore. You represent that worst of the worst when it comes to the intelligentsia of this country. Acting smart, but totally lost in your own vision or alternate reality.


I have always expressed concerns about them. But I don't buy YOUR approach.

**** off.

Good job with that progress.

Everyone talks about how things are going to hell, but you know better.

And the feels you talk about are addressed, at length, by many psychologists of today. Our massive social media industry has not been a net positive according to them. Just look at this exchange. I could be more productive picking my nose than talking with a charlatan like you.

I have friends who in the same general position you are except they nowhere near as cemented in their views as you are. They allow for what is human on both sides and many agree that economic position is not the only metric used to determine quality of life.

That's why I've avoided the C-suite my entire life. I could never sell my soul the way they do. I advise them, I support them and I've seen how even the most plain technical data can be rearranged and selectively neglected to meet the political agenda of a leader who has long since become sub-human.

Meh. I am sorry your feelings are hurt. Maybe message boards aren’t for you if you are unable to debate with out getting upset.

We are debating opinions. There is no scientific measurement for “better”. We present our arguments on here and defend ours and dismantle opposing arguments. I have a good argument for why times are better now that are grounded in facts and data. I appreciate you coming up with some responses but they don’t outweigh the data presented in my opinion. This whole thread is an opinion of “better”.