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Rule of Law: DECLARATION ON PRINCIPLES OF INTERNATIONAL LAW FRIENDLY RELATIONS AND CO-OPERATION AMONG STATES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CHARTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS said:
- Recalling the duty of States to refrain in their international relations from military, political, economic or any other form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of any State,
- Considering it essential that all States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,
- Recalling the duty of States to refrain in their international relations from military, political, economic or any other form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of any State,
SOURCE: A/RES/25/2625 24 October 1970
- Considering it equally essential that all States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter,
(COMMENT)There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.
Americans have suffered terrorism and will continue to do so precisely because our relationship with Israel is seen by them as our Proxy Colonial oppressor which has taken Muslim lives, property and dignity...
We are Israel's main arms supplier The Arab League which has tried to defuse this notion by offering Israel peace and full recognition has refused to negotiate and today continues to insult the UN, America and everybody else by building more settlements on Muslim lands while feigning peace talks.
There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.
Americans have suffered terrorism and will continue to do so precisely because our relationship with Israel is seen by them as our Proxy Colonial oppressor which has taken Muslim lives, property and dignity...
We are Israel's main arms supplier The Arab League which has tried to defuse this notion by offering Israel peace and full recognition has refused to negotiate and today continues to insult the UN, America and everybody else by building more settlements on Muslim lands while feigning peace talks.
There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.
Lets assume your statement is true, that America suffers terrorism because the fact that she is Israel's ally and weapon supplier.
Do you really think America will succumb to the demands of the Muslims to 'break off ties with Israel or we will continue to attack you with terrorism' ?Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.
All this assuming that it is her relationship with Israel that is the sole cause of Muslim/Arab hostility towards the U.S
Americans have suffered terrorism and will continue to do so precisely because our relationship with Israel is seen by them as our Proxy Colonial oppressor which has taken Muslim lives, property and dignity...
We are Israel's main arms supplier The Arab League which has tried to defuse this notion by offering Israel peace and full recognition has refused to negotiate and today continues to insult the UN, America and everybody else by building more settlements on Muslim lands while feigning peace talks.
There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.
Lets assume your statement is true, that America suffers terrorism because the fact that she is Israel's ally and weapon supplier.
Do you really think America will succumb to the demands of the Muslims to 'break off ties with Israel or we will continue to attack you with terrorism' ?Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.
All this assuming that it is her relationship with Israel that is the sole cause of Muslim/Arab hostility towards the U.S
Toast, America has succumbed to the vigor's of endless wars with Muslim Nations...We lost Iraq by getting Saddam for Israel and empowered Iran...We lost Afghanistan chasing Al Qaida simply because there is no military solution in wars against essentially civilians.
Wars of attrition are won by numbers not weapons. precisely Israel's dilemma in the ME...
The solution is simple, sign a peace to the near 67 borders and share Jerusalem or Internationalize it. Trade with the nations surrounding Israel, help them prosper and change attitudes. As attitudes change, terrorism will dissipate.
In a couple of generations Israel will become part of the family like she was 2,000 years ago.
Lets assume your statement is true, that America suffers terrorism because the fact that she is Israel's ally and weapon supplier.
Do you really think America will succumb to the demands of the Muslims to 'break off ties with Israel or we will continue to attack you with terrorism' ?Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.
All this assuming that it is her relationship with Israel that is the sole cause of Muslim/Arab hostility towards the U.S
Toast, America has succumbed to the vigor's of endless wars with Muslim Nations...We lost Iraq by getting Saddam for Israel and empowered Iran...We lost Afghanistan chasing Al Qaida simply because there is no military solution in wars against essentially civilians.
Wars of attrition are won by numbers not weapons. precisely Israel's dilemma in the ME...
The solution is simple, sign a peace to the near 67 borders and share Jerusalem or Internationalize it. Trade with the nations surrounding Israel, help them prosper and change attitudes. As attitudes change, terrorism will dissipate.
In a couple of generations Israel will become part of the family like she was 2,000 years ago.
1) The Iraq war was for the U.S , not Israel. Just because ousting Saddam kind of benefits Israel, that doesn't mean the war was for them. And even if the U.S DID go to war to benefit another country, it is still the fault of the U.S, and the blame should still be put on them for the outcome of the war.
2) You didn't really address what I said.
3) When did Abbass say that he would sign a peace deal if Israel goes back to the '67 borders?? He wants East Jerusalem, Right of Return, Release of thousands of prisoners....
Americans have suffered terrorism and will continue to do so precisely because our relationship with Israel is seen by them as our Proxy Colonial oppressor which has taken Muslim lives, property and dignity...
We are Israel's main arms supplier The Arab League which has tried to defuse this notion by offering Israel peace and full recognition has refused to negotiate and today continues to insult the UN, America and everybody else by building more settlements on Muslim lands while feigning peace talks.
There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.
Lets assume your statement is true, that America suffers terrorism because the fact that she is Israel's ally and weapon supplier.
Do you really think America will succumb to the demands of the Muslims to 'break off ties with Israel or we will continue to attack you with terrorism' ?Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.
All this assuming that it is her relationship with Israel that is the sole cause of Muslim/Arab hostility towards the U.S
Toast, America has succumbed to the vigor's of endless wars with Muslim Nations...We lost Iraq by getting Saddam for Israel and empowered Iran...We lost Afghanistan chasing Al Qaida simply because there is no military solution in wars against essentially civilians.
Wars of attrition are won by numbers not weapons. precisely Israel's dilemma in the ME...
The solution is simple, sign a peace to the near 67 borders and share Jerusalem or Internationalize it. Trade with the nations surrounding Israel, help them prosper and change attitudes. As attitudes change, terrorism will dissipate.
In a couple of generations Israel will become part of the family like she was 2,000 years ago.
Lets assume your statement is true, that America suffers terrorism because the fact that she is Israel's ally and weapon supplier.
Do you really think America will succumb to the demands of the Muslims to 'break off ties with Israel or we will continue to attack you with terrorism' ?Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.
All this assuming that it is her relationship with Israel that is the sole cause of Muslim/Arab hostility towards the U.S
Toast, America has succumbed to the vigor's of endless wars with Muslim Nations...We lost Iraq by getting Saddam for Israel and empowered Iran...We lost Afghanistan chasing Al Qaida simply because there is no military solution in wars against essentially civilians.
Wars of attrition are won by numbers not weapons. precisely Israel's dilemma in the ME...
The solution is simple, sign a peace to the near 67 borders and share Jerusalem or Internationalize it. Trade with the nations surrounding Israel, help them prosper and change attitudes. As attitudes change, terrorism will dissipate.
In a couple of generations Israel will become part of the family like she was 2,000 years ago.
1) The Iraq war was for the U.S , not Israel. Just because ousting Saddam kind of benefits Israel, that doesn't mean the war was for them. And even if the U.S DID go to war to benefit another country, it is still the fault of the U.S, and the blame should still be put on them for the outcome of the war.
2) You didn't really address what I said.
3) When did Abbass say that he would sign a peace deal if Israel goes back to the '67 borders?? He wants East Jerusalem, Right of Return, Release of thousands of prisoners....
Toast, America has succumbed to the vigor's of endless wars with Muslim Nations...We lost Iraq by getting Saddam for Israel and empowered Iran...We lost Afghanistan chasing Al Qaida simply because there is no military solution in wars against essentially civilians.
Wars of attrition are won by numbers not weapons. precisely Israel's dilemma in the ME...
The solution is simple, sign a peace to the near 67 borders and share Jerusalem or Internationalize it. Trade with the nations surrounding Israel, help them prosper and change attitudes. As attitudes change, terrorism will dissipate.
In a couple of generations Israel will become part of the family like she was 2,000 years ago.
1) The Iraq war was for the U.S , not Israel. Just because ousting Saddam kind of benefits Israel, that doesn't mean the war was for them. And even if the U.S DID go to war to benefit another country, it is still the fault of the U.S, and the blame should still be put on them for the outcome of the war.
2) You didn't really address what I said.
3) When did Abbass say that he would sign a peace deal if Israel goes back to the '67 borders?? He wants East Jerusalem, Right of Return, Release of thousands of prisoners....
Toast, Abbas has accepted and been granted an observer State to the 67 borders. Clearly he has then accepted a de-facto Israeli State to her 67 borders.
Israel needs to decide if it wants to try peace instead of war...sure there will still be terrorists, both sides should pursue them...The Radicals in Israel are short sighted...Economics make change not guns.
If Israel pursues occupation and settlement building then America the former beacon for the oppressed; must abandon a former friend if we want to make people like us like they used to instead of bombing us!
1) The Iraq war was for the U.S , not Israel. Just because ousting Saddam kind of benefits Israel, that doesn't mean the war was for them. And even if the U.S DID go to war to benefit another country, it is still the fault of the U.S, and the blame should still be put on them for the outcome of the war.
2) You didn't really address what I said.
3) When did Abbass say that he would sign a peace deal if Israel goes back to the '67 borders?? He wants East Jerusalem, Right of Return, Release of thousands of prisoners....
Toast, Abbas has accepted and been granted an observer State to the 67 borders. Clearly he has then accepted a de-facto Israeli State to her 67 borders.
Israel needs to decide if it wants to try peace instead of war...sure there will still be terrorists, both sides should pursue them...The Radicals in Israel are short sighted...Economics make change not guns.
If Israel pursues occupation and settlement building then America the former beacon for the oppressed; must abandon a former friend if we want to make people like us like they used to instead of bombing us!
You can of course verify this by producing a legal document that shows Palestine extends to borders that have never existed. They were granted observer status as a state without borders. No mention in the UN resolution of any borders, just that Israel and Israel alone has to negotiate mutually agreed borders with its neighbours. No mention of Palestine, P.A., PLO, fatah or hamas in any of the resolutions.
To cause a complete FUBAR Isreal could now demand 1968 borders which destroys Palestine completely, or the agreements they have with Egypt and Jordan. Both more valid borders that the non existent 1967 cease fire lines.
Americans have suffered terrorism and will continue to do so precisely because our relationship with Israel is seen by them as our Proxy Colonial oppressor which has taken Muslim lives, property and dignity...
We are Israel's main arms supplier The Arab League which has tried to defuse this notion by offering Israel peace and full recognition has refused to negotiate and today continues to insult the UN, America and everybody else by building more settlements on Muslim lands while feigning peace talks.
There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.
Lets assume your statement is true, that America suffers terrorism because the fact that she is Israel's ally and weapon supplier.
Do you really think America will succumb to the demands of the Muslims to 'break off ties with Israel or we will continue to attack you with terrorism' ?Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.
All this assuming that it is her relationship with Israel that is the sole cause of Muslim/Arab hostility towards the U.S
Toast, America has succumbed to the vigor's of endless wars with Muslim Nations...We lost Iraq by getting Saddam for Israel and empowered Iran...We lost Afghanistan chasing Al Qaida simply because there is no military solution in wars against essentially civilians.
Wars of attrition are won by numbers not weapons. precisely Israel's dilemma in the ME...
The solution is simple, sign a peace to the near 67 borders and share Jerusalem or Internationalize it. Trade with the nations surrounding Israel, help them prosper and change attitudes. As attitudes change, terrorism will dissipate.
In a couple of generations Israel will become part of the family like she was 2,000 years ago.
pbel, et al,
Read this again, and tell me how this fits within the concept of:
Rule of Law: DECLARATION ON PRINCIPLES OF INTERNATIONAL LAW FRIENDLY RELATIONS AND CO-OPERATION AMONG STATES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CHARTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS said:
- Recalling the duty of States to refrain in their international relations from military, political, economic or any other form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of any State,
- Considering it essential that all States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,
- Recalling the duty of States to refrain in their international relations from military, political, economic or any other form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of any State,
SOURCE: A/RES/25/2625 24 October 1970
- Considering it equally essential that all States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter,
There is a basic tenant that is captured by the words of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moons remarks to the Security Council "Nothing can justify terrorism ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." The Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has no special inherent right to pursue conflict they have for the last 65 years. They have no special right or privilege to make threats or push coercion such as this.
(COMMENT)There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.
Life Doesnt Turn Out the Way You Want. And fighting for improvements and what you want doesn't always mean you turn to violence.
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.
― E.F. Schumacher
The necessary components: "genius and a lot of courage." When peace is finally achieved, which people will historians credit with the genius and courage?
Most Respectfully,
R
Originally posted by toastman
Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.
Originally posted by toastman
3) When did Abbass say that he would sign a peace deal if Israel goes back to the '67 borders?? He wants East Jerusalem, Right of Return, Release of thousands of prisoners....
Originally posted by pbel
Toast, Abbas has accepted and been granted an observer State to the 67 borders. Clearly he has then accepted a de-facto Israeli State to her 67 borders.
Originally posted by Phoenall
To cause a complete FUBAR Isreal could now demand 1968 borders which destroys Palestine completely, or the agreements they have with Egypt and Jordan.
José;8503623 said:pbel, et al,
Read this again, and tell me how this fits within the concept of:
Rule of Law: DECLARATION ON PRINCIPLES OF INTERNATIONAL LAW FRIENDLY RELATIONS AND CO-OPERATION AMONG STATES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CHARTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS said:
- Recalling the duty of States to refrain in their international relations from military, political, economic or any other form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of any State,
- Considering it essential that all States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,
- Recalling the duty of States to refrain in their international relations from military, political, economic or any other form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of any State,
SOURCE: A/RES/25/2625 24 October 1970
- Considering it equally essential that all States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter,
There is a basic tenant that is captured by the words of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moons remarks to the Security Council "Nothing can justify terrorism ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." The Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has no special inherent right to pursue conflict they have for the last 65 years. They have no special right or privilege to make threats or push coercion such as this.
(COMMENT)There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.
Life Doesnt Turn Out the Way You Want. And fighting for improvements and what you want doesn't always mean you turn to violence.
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.
― E.F. Schumacher
The necessary components: "genius and a lot of courage." When peace is finally achieved, which people will historians credit with the genius and courage?
Most Respectfully,
R
The mere existence of a jewish supremacist state in Palestine that keeps the unwanted ethnic group herded in enclaves and that engages in STATE TERRORISM by shooting those civilians when they try to leave the racial enclaves assigned to them using security issues as an excuse provides FULL JUSTIFICATION for armed struggle against it.
Whether the armed struggle has a terrorist element (targetting of civilians) or not in no way invalidates the struggle itself although it tarnishes its reputation.
But let's not forget that the discriminated ethnic group is responding to the state terrorism inflicted on them.
José;8503681 said:Originally posted by toastman
Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.
If "polish terrorists" demanded the dismantlement of the german ethnocratic state they joined the rest of mankind in a righteous cause.
If "african terrorists" demanded the dismantlement of the south african ethnocratic state they joined the rest of mankind in a righteous cause.
If "muslim terrorists" demand the dismantlement of the jewish ethnocratic state they join the rest of mankind in a righteous cause.
"The truth, no matter who says it, is divine."
Saint Thomas Aquinas
Lets assume your statement is true, that America suffers terrorism because the fact that she is Israel's ally and weapon supplier.
Do you really think America will succumb to the demands of the Muslims to 'break off ties with Israel or we will continue to attack you with terrorism' ?Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.
All this assuming that it is her relationship with Israel that is the sole cause of Muslim/Arab hostility towards the U.S
Toast, America has succumbed to the vigor's of endless wars with Muslim Nations...We lost Iraq by getting Saddam for Israel and empowered Iran...We lost Afghanistan chasing Al Qaida simply because there is no military solution in wars against essentially civilians.
Wars of attrition are won by numbers not weapons. precisely Israel's dilemma in the ME...
The solution is simple, sign a peace to the near 67 borders and share Jerusalem or Internationalize it. Trade with the nations surrounding Israel, help them prosper and change attitudes. As attitudes change, terrorism will dissipate.
In a couple of generations Israel will become part of the family like she was 2,000 years ago.
1) The Iraq war was for the U.S , not Israel. Just because ousting Saddam kind of benefits Israel, that doesn't mean the war was for them. And even if the U.S DID go to war to benefit another country, it is still the fault of the U.S, and the blame should still be put on them for the outcome of the war.
2) You didn't really address what I said.
3) When did Abbass say that he would sign a peace deal if Israel goes back to the '67 borders?? He wants East Jerusalem, Right of Return, Release of thousands of prisoners....