Now, that's an ally

[fairandbalanced]

http://Israel says it foiled al-Qaida plot on US Embassy

 

[pbel]

Americans have suffered terrorism and will continue to do so precisely because our relationship with Israel is seen by them as our Proxy Colonial oppressor which has taken Muslim lives, property and dignity...

We are Israel's main arms supplier The Arab League which has tried to defuse this notion by offering Israel peace and full recognition has refused to negotiate and today continues to insult the UN, America and everybody else by building more settlements on Muslim lands while feigning peace talks.

There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.

 

[RoccoR]

​

pbel, et al,

Read this again, and tell me how this fits within the concept of:

• Recalling the duty of States to refrain in their international relations from military, political, economic or any other form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of any State,

• Considering it essential that all States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,

• Recalling the duty of States to refrain in their international relations from military, political, economic or any other form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of any State,

• Considering it equally essential that all States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter,

SOURCE: A/RES/25/2625 24 October 1970

There is a basic tenant that is captured by the words of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon’s remarks to the Security Council "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." The Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has no special inherent right to pursue conflict they have for the last 65 years. They have no special right or privilege to make threats or push coercion such as this.

There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.

(COMMENT)

Life Doesn’t Turn Out the Way You Want. And fighting for improvements and what you want doesn't always mean you turn to violence.

“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.”
― E.F. Schumacher​

The necessary components: "genius — and a lot of courage." When peace is finally achieved, which people will historians credit with the genius — and — courage?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

Americans have suffered terrorism and will continue to do so precisely because our relationship with Israel is seen by them as our Proxy Colonial oppressor which has taken Muslim lives, property and dignity...

We are Israel's main arms supplier The Arab League which has tried to defuse this notion by offering Israel peace and full recognition has refused to negotiate and today continues to insult the UN, America and everybody else by building more settlements on Muslim lands while feigning peace talks.

There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.

Lets assume your statement is true, that America suffers terrorism because the fact that she is Israel's ally and weapon supplier.
Do you really think America will succumb to the demands of the Muslims to 'break off ties with Israel or we will continue to attack you with terrorism' ?

Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.

All this assuming that it is her relationship with Israel that is the sole cause of Muslim/Arab hostility towards the U.S

 

[pbel]

Americans have suffered terrorism and will continue to do so precisely because our relationship with Israel is seen by them as our Proxy Colonial oppressor which has taken Muslim lives, property and dignity...

We are Israel's main arms supplier The Arab League which has tried to defuse this notion by offering Israel peace and full recognition has refused to negotiate and today continues to insult the UN, America and everybody else by building more settlements on Muslim lands while feigning peace talks.

There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.

Lets assume your statement is true, that America suffers terrorism because the fact that she is Israel's ally and weapon supplier.
Do you really think America will succumb to the demands of the Muslims to 'break off ties with Israel or we will continue to attack you with terrorism' ?Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.

All this assuming that it is her relationship with Israel that is the sole cause of Muslim/Arab hostility towards the U.S

Toast, America has succumbed to the vigor's of endless wars with Muslim Nations...We lost Iraq by getting Saddam for Israel and empowered Iran...We lost Afghanistan chasing Al Qaida simply because there is no military solution in wars against essentially civilians.

Wars of attrition are won by numbers not weapons. precisely Israel's dilemma in the ME...


The solution is simple, sign a peace to the near 67 borders and share Jerusalem or Internationalize it. Trade with the nations surrounding Israel, help them prosper and change attitudes. As attitudes change, terrorism will dissipate.

In a couple of generations Israel will become part of the family like she was 2,000 years ago.

 

[toastman]

Americans have suffered terrorism and will continue to do so precisely because our relationship with Israel is seen by them as our Proxy Colonial oppressor which has taken Muslim lives, property and dignity...

We are Israel's main arms supplier The Arab League which has tried to defuse this notion by offering Israel peace and full recognition has refused to negotiate and today continues to insult the UN, America and everybody else by building more settlements on Muslim lands while feigning peace talks.

There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.

Lets assume your statement is true, that America suffers terrorism because the fact that she is Israel's ally and weapon supplier.
Do you really think America will succumb to the demands of the Muslims to 'break off ties with Israel or we will continue to attack you with terrorism' ?Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.

All this assuming that it is her relationship with Israel that is the sole cause of Muslim/Arab hostility towards the U.S

Toast, America has succumbed to the vigor's of endless wars with Muslim Nations...We lost Iraq by getting Saddam for Israel and empowered Iran...We lost Afghanistan chasing Al Qaida simply because there is no military solution in wars against essentially civilians.

Wars of attrition are won by numbers not weapons. precisely Israel's dilemma in the ME...


The solution is simple, sign a peace to the near 67 borders and share Jerusalem or Internationalize it. Trade with the nations surrounding Israel, help them prosper and change attitudes. As attitudes change, terrorism will dissipate.

In a couple of generations Israel will become part of the family like she was 2,000 years ago.

1) The Iraq war was for the U.S , not Israel. Just because ousting Saddam kind of benefits Israel, that doesn't mean the war was for them. And even if the U.S DID go to war to benefit another country, it is still the fault of the U.S, and the blame should still be put on them for the outcome of the war.

2) You didn't really address what I said.


3) When did Abbass say that he would sign a peace deal if Israel goes back to the '67 borders?? He wants East Jerusalem, Right of Return, Release of thousands of prisoners....

 

[pbel]

Lets assume your statement is true, that America suffers terrorism because the fact that she is Israel's ally and weapon supplier.
Do you really think America will succumb to the demands of the Muslims to 'break off ties with Israel or we will continue to attack you with terrorism' ?Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.

All this assuming that it is her relationship with Israel that is the sole cause of Muslim/Arab hostility towards the U.S

Toast, America has succumbed to the vigor's of endless wars with Muslim Nations...We lost Iraq by getting Saddam for Israel and empowered Iran...We lost Afghanistan chasing Al Qaida simply because there is no military solution in wars against essentially civilians.

Wars of attrition are won by numbers not weapons. precisely Israel's dilemma in the ME...


The solution is simple, sign a peace to the near 67 borders and share Jerusalem or Internationalize it. Trade with the nations surrounding Israel, help them prosper and change attitudes. As attitudes change, terrorism will dissipate.

In a couple of generations Israel will become part of the family like she was 2,000 years ago.

1) The Iraq war was for the U.S , not Israel. Just because ousting Saddam kind of benefits Israel, that doesn't mean the war was for them. And even if the U.S DID go to war to benefit another country, it is still the fault of the U.S, and the blame should still be put on them for the outcome of the war.

2) You didn't really address what I said.


3) When did Abbass say that he would sign a peace deal if Israel goes back to the '67 borders?? He wants East Jerusalem, Right of Return, Release of thousands of prisoners....

Toast, Abbas has accepted and been granted an observer State to the 67 borders. Clearly he has then accepted a de-facto Israeli State to her 67 borders.

Israel needs to decide if it wants to try peace instead of war...sure there will still be terrorists, both sides should pursue them...The Radicals in Israel are short sighted...Economics make change not guns.

If Israel pursues occupation and settlement building then America the former beacon for the oppressed; must abandon a former friend if we want to make people like us like they used to instead of bombing us!

 

[Phoenall]

Americans have suffered terrorism and will continue to do so precisely because our relationship with Israel is seen by them as our Proxy Colonial oppressor which has taken Muslim lives, property and dignity...

We are Israel's main arms supplier The Arab League which has tried to defuse this notion by offering Israel peace and full recognition has refused to negotiate and today continues to insult the UN, America and everybody else by building more settlements on Muslim lands while feigning peace talks.

There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.

Lets assume your statement is true, that America suffers terrorism because the fact that she is Israel's ally and weapon supplier.
Do you really think America will succumb to the demands of the Muslims to 'break off ties with Israel or we will continue to attack you with terrorism' ?Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.

All this assuming that it is her relationship with Israel that is the sole cause of Muslim/Arab hostility towards the U.S

Toast, America has succumbed to the vigor's of endless wars with Muslim Nations...We lost Iraq by getting Saddam for Israel and empowered Iran...We lost Afghanistan chasing Al Qaida simply because there is no military solution in wars against essentially civilians.

Wars of attrition are won by numbers not weapons. precisely Israel's dilemma in the ME...


The solution is simple, sign a peace to the near 67 borders and share Jerusalem or Internationalize it. Trade with the nations surrounding Israel, help them prosper and change attitudes. As attitudes change, terrorism will dissipate.

In a couple of generations Israel will become part of the family like she was 2,000 years ago.

And just how do you agree a peace when the other side constantly says NO to peace. It is not Israel that is refusing to talk but islam, yes the whole of islam all 2 billion + of them every one of the 22/23 nations is saying no to peace. The reason is that allah gave them the land and once owned by islam is dar al islam, unsettled land is dar al harb or land at war. There were no 1967 borders, EVER that is a muslim LIE. What they were, were ceasefire lines. Every UN resolution makes this abundantly clear and spells out the need for MUTUAL AGREEMENT, but you cant get that if islam says NO PEACE, NO RECOGNITION and NO JEWS.

Time for the world to institute operation ROLLING THUNDER and start in mecca and work outwards.

 

[Phoenall]

Lets assume your statement is true, that America suffers terrorism because the fact that she is Israel's ally and weapon supplier.
Do you really think America will succumb to the demands of the Muslims to 'break off ties with Israel or we will continue to attack you with terrorism' ?Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.

All this assuming that it is her relationship with Israel that is the sole cause of Muslim/Arab hostility towards the U.S

Toast, America has succumbed to the vigor's of endless wars with Muslim Nations...We lost Iraq by getting Saddam for Israel and empowered Iran...We lost Afghanistan chasing Al Qaida simply because there is no military solution in wars against essentially civilians.

Wars of attrition are won by numbers not weapons. precisely Israel's dilemma in the ME...


The solution is simple, sign a peace to the near 67 borders and share Jerusalem or Internationalize it. Trade with the nations surrounding Israel, help them prosper and change attitudes. As attitudes change, terrorism will dissipate.

In a couple of generations Israel will become part of the family like she was 2,000 years ago.

1) The Iraq war was for the U.S , not Israel. Just because ousting Saddam kind of benefits Israel, that doesn't mean the war was for them. And even if the U.S DID go to war to benefit another country, it is still the fault of the U.S, and the blame should still be put on them for the outcome of the war.

2) You didn't really address what I said.


3) When did Abbass say that he would sign a peace deal if Israel goes back to the '67 borders?? He wants East Jerusalem, Right of Return, Release of thousands of prisoners....

Destruction of Israel, enslavement of millions of Jews, Palestine as a nuclear state to threaten the world.

If he got all that he demands he would still refuse to sign as he will not face being shot by his own people. So his demands are smoke and mirrors to hide the real peace that islam wants

 

[Phoenall]

Toast, America has succumbed to the vigor's of endless wars with Muslim Nations...We lost Iraq by getting Saddam for Israel and empowered Iran...We lost Afghanistan chasing Al Qaida simply because there is no military solution in wars against essentially civilians.

Wars of attrition are won by numbers not weapons. precisely Israel's dilemma in the ME...


The solution is simple, sign a peace to the near 67 borders and share Jerusalem or Internationalize it. Trade with the nations surrounding Israel, help them prosper and change attitudes. As attitudes change, terrorism will dissipate.

In a couple of generations Israel will become part of the family like she was 2,000 years ago.

1) The Iraq war was for the U.S , not Israel. Just because ousting Saddam kind of benefits Israel, that doesn't mean the war was for them. And even if the U.S DID go to war to benefit another country, it is still the fault of the U.S, and the blame should still be put on them for the outcome of the war.

2) You didn't really address what I said.


3) When did Abbass say that he would sign a peace deal if Israel goes back to the '67 borders?? He wants East Jerusalem, Right of Return, Release of thousands of prisoners....

Toast, Abbas has accepted and been granted an observer State to the 67 borders. Clearly he has then accepted a de-facto Israeli State to her 67 borders.

Israel needs to decide if it wants to try peace instead of war...sure there will still be terrorists, both sides should pursue them...The Radicals in Israel are short sighted...Economics make change not guns.

If Israel pursues occupation and settlement building then America the former beacon for the oppressed; must abandon a former friend if we want to make people like us like they used to instead of bombing us!

You can of course verify this by producing a legal document that shows Palestine extends to borders that have never existed. They were granted observer status as a state without borders. No mention in the UN resolution of any borders, just that Israel and Israel alone has to negotiate mutually agreed borders with its neighbours. No mention of Palestine, P.A., PLO, fatah or hamas in any of the resolutions.
To cause a complete FUBAR Isreal could now demand 1968 borders which destroys Palestine completely, or the agreements they have with Egypt and Jordan. Both more valid borders that the non existent 1967 cease fire lines.

 

[pbel]

1) The Iraq war was for the U.S , not Israel. Just because ousting Saddam kind of benefits Israel, that doesn't mean the war was for them. And even if the U.S DID go to war to benefit another country, it is still the fault of the U.S, and the blame should still be put on them for the outcome of the war.

2) You didn't really address what I said.


3) When did Abbass say that he would sign a peace deal if Israel goes back to the '67 borders?? He wants East Jerusalem, Right of Return, Release of thousands of prisoners....

Toast, Abbas has accepted and been granted an observer State to the 67 borders. Clearly he has then accepted a de-facto Israeli State to her 67 borders.

Israel needs to decide if it wants to try peace instead of war...sure there will still be terrorists, both sides should pursue them...The Radicals in Israel are short sighted...Economics make change not guns.

If Israel pursues occupation and settlement building then America the former beacon for the oppressed; must abandon a former friend if we want to make people like us like they used to instead of bombing us!

You can of course verify this by producing a legal document that shows Palestine extends to borders that have never existed. They were granted observer status as a state without borders. No mention in the UN resolution of any borders, just that Israel and Israel alone has to negotiate mutually agreed borders with its neighbours. No mention of Palestine, P.A., PLO, fatah or hamas in any of the resolutions.
To cause a complete FUBAR Isreal could now demand 1968 borders which destroys Palestine completely, or the agreements they have with Egypt and Jordan. Both more valid borders that the non existent 1967 cease fire lines.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pal...F-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7NDKB_enUS549

General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine 'Non ...



https://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/.../ga11317.doc.ht...*





United Nations





Nov 29, 2012 - Non-Member Observer State' Status in United Nations ... “There is only one route to Palestinian statehood. .... viable, contiguous and democratic Palestinian State based on 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as its capital, and ...

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Americans have suffered terrorism and will continue to do so precisely because our relationship with Israel is seen by them as our Proxy Colonial oppressor which has taken Muslim lives, property and dignity...

We are Israel's main arms supplier The Arab League which has tried to defuse this notion by offering Israel peace and full recognition has refused to negotiate and today continues to insult the UN, America and everybody else by building more settlements on Muslim lands while feigning peace talks.

There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.

Lets assume your statement is true, that America suffers terrorism because the fact that she is Israel's ally and weapon supplier.
Do you really think America will succumb to the demands of the Muslims to 'break off ties with Israel or we will continue to attack you with terrorism' ?Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.

All this assuming that it is her relationship with Israel that is the sole cause of Muslim/Arab hostility towards the U.S

Toast, America has succumbed to the vigor's of endless wars with Muslim Nations...We lost Iraq by getting Saddam for Israel and empowered Iran...We lost Afghanistan chasing Al Qaida simply because there is no military solution in wars against essentially civilians.

Wars of attrition are won by numbers not weapons. precisely Israel's dilemma in the ME...


The solution is simple, sign a peace to the near 67 borders and share Jerusalem or Internationalize it. Trade with the nations surrounding Israel, help them prosper and change attitudes. As attitudes change, terrorism will dissipate.

In a couple of generations Israel will become part of the family like she was 2,000 years ago.

There were 2 Iraq wars. Certainly the first Iraq war was because Iraq took over Kuwait and its oil supply. Saudi Arabia could have been next on its list. The reasons for the second Iraq war are a bit more fuzzy. The neocons were clamoring for it, many of whom were Jewish. But another significant reason for it was Bush's need to avenge his father. Saddam actually tried to assassinate Bush Senior at one point for which Clinton bombed Iraq, though he didn't go to war.

 

[José]

​

pbel, et al,

Read this again, and tell me how this fits within the concept of:

• Recalling the duty of States to refrain in their international relations from military, political, economic or any other form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of any State,

• Considering it essential that all States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,

• Recalling the duty of States to refrain in their international relations from military, political, economic or any other form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of any State,

• Considering it equally essential that all States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter,

SOURCE: A/RES/25/2625 24 October 1970

There is a basic tenant that is captured by the words of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon’s remarks to the Security Council "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." The Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has no special inherent right to pursue conflict they have for the last 65 years. They have no special right or privilege to make threats or push coercion such as this.

There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.

(COMMENT)

Life Doesn’t Turn Out the Way You Want. And fighting for improvements and what you want doesn't always mean you turn to violence.

“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.”
― E.F. Schumacher​

The necessary components: "genius — and a lot of courage." When peace is finally achieved, which people will historians credit with the genius — and — courage?

Most Respectfully,
R

The mere existence of a jewish supremacist state in Palestine that keeps the unwanted ethnic group herded in enclaves and that engages in STATE TERRORISM by shooting those civilians when they try to leave the racial enclaves assigned to them using security issues as an excuse provides FULL JUSTIFICATION for armed struggle against it.

Whether the armed struggle has a terrorist element (targetting of civilians) or not in no way invalidates the struggle itself although it tarnishes its reputation.

But let's not forget that the discriminated ethnic group is responding to the state terrorism inflicted on them.

 

[José]

Originally posted by toastman
Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.

If "polish terrorists" demanded the dismantlement of the german ethnocratic state they joined the rest of mankind in a righteous cause.

If "african terrorists" demanded the dismantlement of the south african ethnocratic state they joined the rest of mankind in a righteous cause.

If "muslim terrorists" demand the dismantlement of the jewish ethnocratic state they join the rest of mankind in a righteous cause.

"The truth, no matter who says it, is divine."

Saint Thomas Aquinas

 

[José]

Originally posted by toastman
3) When did Abbass say that he would sign a peace deal if Israel goes back to the '67 borders?? He wants East Jerusalem, Right of Return, Release of thousands of prisoners....

Excellent summation, toastman... couldn't have said it better myself..

You just gave a perfect description of a peaceful dismantlement of a racist state and its replacement by a democratic one (hopefully).

 

[José]

Originally posted by pbel
Toast, Abbas has accepted and been granted an observer State to the 67 borders. Clearly he has then accepted a de-facto Israeli State to her 67 borders.

Abbas is the "leader" of an arab Bantustan... his words and the documents he signs are not worth a roll of toilet paper.

The day he signs an agreement renouncing to the right of the palestinian people to live in the western half of their homeland will be the day he won't be representing anybody in Palestine but himself.

It will be the last day in office of a totally delegitimised politician whose agreement will be nothing but a piece of paper solemnly ignored by his people.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Phoenall
To cause a complete FUBAR Isreal could now demand 1968 borders which destroys Palestine completely, or the agreements they have with Egypt and Jordan.

It is indeed, Phoenall... but not for long.

 

[Phoenall]

​

pbel, et al,

Read this again, and tell me how this fits within the concept of:

• Recalling the duty of States to refrain in their international relations from military, political, economic or any other form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of any State,

• Considering it essential that all States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,

• Recalling the duty of States to refrain in their international relations from military, political, economic or any other form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of any State,

• Considering it equally essential that all States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter,

SOURCE: A/RES/25/2625 24 October 1970

There is a basic tenant that is captured by the words of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon’s remarks to the Security Council "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." The Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) has no special inherent right to pursue conflict they have for the last 65 years. They have no special right or privilege to make threats or push coercion such as this.

There will never be peace for Israel or America, or an escape from terrorism, until a real peace is signed.

(COMMENT)

Life Doesn’t Turn Out the Way You Want. And fighting for improvements and what you want doesn't always mean you turn to violence.

“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.”
― E.F. Schumacher​

The necessary components: "genius — and a lot of courage." When peace is finally achieved, which people will historians credit with the genius — and — courage?

Most Respectfully,
R

The mere existence of a jewish supremacist state in Palestine that keeps the unwanted ethnic group herded in enclaves and that engages in STATE TERRORISM by shooting those civilians when they try to leave the racial enclaves assigned to them using security issues as an excuse provides FULL JUSTIFICATION for armed struggle against it.

Whether the armed struggle has a terrorist element (targetting of civilians) or not in no way invalidates the struggle itself although it tarnishes its reputation.

But let's not forget that the discriminated ethnic group is responding to the state terrorism inflicted on them.

They are free to leave at any time and return to their country of first allegiance, which is why the youth get arrested and spend 5 years getting a degree. The use of terrorism is illegal and it should be a world wide punishment of instant execution if found engaging in terrorism

 

[Phoenall]

Originally posted by toastman
Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.

If "polish terrorists" demanded the dismantlement of the german ethnocratic state they joined the rest of mankind in a righteous cause.

If "african terrorists" demanded the dismantlement of the south african ethnocratic state they joined the rest of mankind in a righteous cause.

If "muslim terrorists" demand the dismantlement of the jewish ethnocratic state they join the rest of mankind in a righteous cause.

"The truth, no matter who says it, is divine."

Saint Thomas Aquinas

And what if Jewish terrorists demanded the dismantlement of the Islamic ethnocratic state, would they join the rest of mankind in a righteous cause.

Or would they still just be Jews despised by the world because they are jews, to be beaten and MASS MURDERED by all and sundry without a care for their survival. After all the muslims are just trying to finish the job that the Christians started 2,000 years ago

 

[Shaarona]

Lets assume your statement is true, that America suffers terrorism because the fact that she is Israel's ally and weapon supplier.
Do you really think America will succumb to the demands of the Muslims to 'break off ties with Israel or we will continue to attack you with terrorism' ?Sorry, but America doesn't kneel over to the demands of Muslim terrorists, or anyone for that matter.

All this assuming that it is her relationship with Israel that is the sole cause of Muslim/Arab hostility towards the U.S

Toast, America has succumbed to the vigor's of endless wars with Muslim Nations...We lost Iraq by getting Saddam for Israel and empowered Iran...We lost Afghanistan chasing Al Qaida simply because there is no military solution in wars against essentially civilians.

Wars of attrition are won by numbers not weapons. precisely Israel's dilemma in the ME...


The solution is simple, sign a peace to the near 67 borders and share Jerusalem or Internationalize it. Trade with the nations surrounding Israel, help them prosper and change attitudes. As attitudes change, terrorism will dissipate.

In a couple of generations Israel will become part of the family like she was 2,000 years ago.

1) The Iraq war was for the U.S , not Israel. Just because ousting Saddam kind of benefits Israel, that doesn't mean the war was for them. And even if the U.S DID go to war to benefit another country, it is still the fault of the U.S, and the blame should still be put on them for the outcome of the war.

2) You didn't really address what I said.


3) When did Abbass say that he would sign a peace deal if Israel goes back to the '67 borders?? He wants East Jerusalem, Right of Return, Release of thousands of prisoners....

Have you read the names of the dual citizenship signatories of the PNAC letters demanding the overthrow of Saddam?

Now Israel wants us to take out Iran... as does KSA and the GCC states.