Now Over 1 Million Dead In Iraq

[Decus]

Strange that the numbers quoted are so similar:

"Iran and Iraq remember war that cost more than a million lives"

Iran and Iraq remember war that cost more than a million lives | World news | guardian.co.uk

 

[Samson]

Those people would be alive today if we hadn't of illegally invaded that country.

How do you know?

She knows---with " PERFECT FAITH"

Samson---I think that with your appearance---you could play
the historically famous RASPUTIN---but you have to assume
a bit of a crazed look in your eyes

Getting back to sherri----she has already stated that
BELIEF trumps all.

I was addressing loinboy.

 

[Samson]

Strange that the numbers quoted are so similar:

"Iran and Iraq remember war that cost more than a million lives"

Iran and Iraq remember war that cost more than a million lives | World news | guardian.co.uk

Everyone likes round numbers.

 

[Sallow]

Iraq conflict has killed a million Iraqis: survey


"LONDON (Reuters) - More than one million Iraqis have died as a result of the conflict in their country since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to research conducted by one of Britain's leading polling groups.

The survey, conducted by Opinion Research Business (ORB) with 2,414 adults in face-to-face interviews, found that 20 percent of people had had at least one death in their household as a result of the conflict, rather than natural causes."

Iraq conflict has killed a million Iraqis: survey

Sherri

Alternatively, Saddam killed and tortured millions.

Our own leaders didn't even say that.

 

[Sallow]

What else is new? muslims do lots of killing. Here is an interesting
stat for you-----a HIGHER PERCENTAGE of yemeni muslims own
fire-arms than americans own fire arms (in shariah shit holes
non muslims cannot own weapons-----but---well----the fact is
that in yemen there are no non muslims left--a fact that does
impact on the stats) Did you know that Yemen was once a pre-
dominantly jewish country----and later on ---christians ADDED on.
The christians left for obvious reasons-----LONG AGO---well
almost immediately co-incident with the NOBLE CAREER OF THE
RAPIST PIG OF ARABIA

Those people would be alive today if we hadn't of illegally invaded that country.

How do you know?

Statistics.

 

[Samson]

Iraq conflict has killed a million Iraqis: survey


"LONDON (Reuters) - More than one million Iraqis have died as a result of the conflict in their country since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to research conducted by one of Britain's leading polling groups.

The survey, conducted by Opinion Research Business (ORB) with 2,414 adults in face-to-face interviews, found that 20 percent of people had had at least one death in their household as a result of the conflict, rather than natural causes."

Iraq conflict has killed a million Iraqis: survey

Sherri

Alternatively, Saddam killed and tortured millions.

Our own leaders didn't even say that.

Not sure what you're referring to: "Our Leaders," but there's ample evidence of death and torture as a result of the Iraqi government lead by Saddam Hussein.



Have "Our Leaders" said anything about those deaths mentioned in the OP?

 

[Samson]

Those people would be alive today if we hadn't of illegally invaded that country.

How do you know?

Statistics.

Statistics?




You would have had more credability had you replied, "Tea Leaves."

 

[Sallow]

Alternatively, Saddam killed and tortured millions.

Our own leaders didn't even say that.

Not sure what you're referring to: "Our Leaders," but there's ample evidence of death and torture as a result of the Iraqi government lead by Saddam Hussein.



Have "Our Leaders" said anything about those deaths mentioned in the OP?

Sure.

There's ample examples of torture and death in almost every government on earth.

No one was saying Saddam did in a million people.

The numbers I heard were some 300K over 30 years.

The US beat those numbers in 3 years.

 

[Sallow]

How do you know?

Statistics.

Statistics?




You would have had more credability had you replied, "Tea Leaves."

Generally statistics point out you have a better chance walking down the street if you aren't getting bombed.

 

[Samson]

Statistics.

Statistics?




You would have had more credability had you replied, "Tea Leaves."

Generally statistics point out you have a better chance walking down the street if you aren't getting bombed.

In Saddams Iraq, that depended upon whether or not you were a Sunni Muslim

Here are a few references:

1.^ "UN condemns Iraq on human rights". BBC News. 2002-04-19.
2.^ JURIST - Dateline
3.^ a b "Whatever Happened To The Iraqi Kurds?". Hrw.org. Retrieved 2009-09-25.
4.^ "Iraq: ‘Disappearances’ – the agony continues". Web.amnesty.org. 2005-07-30. Retrieved 2009-09-25.
5.^ "ENDLESS TORMENT, The 1991 Uprising in Iraq And Its Aftermath". Hrw.org. Retrieved 2009-09-25.
6.^ "Human Rights Watch, Iraq archive". Hrw.org. Retrieved 2009-09-25.
7.^ Jordan, Eason (April 11, 2003). "The News We (CNN) Kept To Ourselves". The New York Times. (requires login)
8.^ Mass Grave Discovery In Iraq Could Fuel Divisions : NPR
9.^ By Dexter Filkins (2007-10-07). "Iraq – Kanan Makiya – Saddam Hussein – New York Times". Iraq: Nytimes.com. Retrieved 2009-09-02.
10.^ "News". Indict. 2003-06-18. Retrieved 2009-09-02.
11.^ A Lifesaving War | The Weekly Standard
12.^ a b "Bland words, vivid images wait to nail Saddam's crimes". The Age (Melbourne). 2003-03-18.
13.^ Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls and Casualty Statistics for Wars, Dictatorships and Genocides
14.^ Endless Torment: The 1991 Uprising in Iraq And Its Aftermath, Human Rights Watch, June 1992.
15.^ Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls
16.^ See, for example, Jonathan C. Randal, "Kurd in Iraqi Jail Dodges Gallows When U.S. Bomb Jars Cell Door," Washington Post, April 5, 1991.
17.^ "Iraqi Deaths from the Gulf War as of April 1992," Greenpeace, Washington, D.C. See also “Aftermath of War: The Persian Gulf War Refugee Crisis," Staff Report to the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Immigration and Refugee Affairs, May 20, 1991. The figure of nearly 1,000 deaths per day is also given in "Kurdistan in the Time of Saddam Hussein," Staff Report to the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, November 1991, p.14.
18.^ Milton Viorst, "Report from Baghdad," The New Yorker, June 24, 1991, p. 72.
19.^ Perazzo, John, Iraqi Horrors, FrontPage Magazine, November 29, 2002.
20.^ “Kurdistan in the Time of Saddam Hussein," p. 15. See also "Civil War in Iraq," Staff Report to the Committee on Foreign Relations of the U.S. Senate, May 1991, pp. 8-9.
21.^ "Morbidity and Mortality Among Iraqi Children". Casi.org.uk. Retrieved 2009-06-15.
22.^ "Reason Magazine – The Politics of Dead Children". Reason.com. 2002-03-01. Retrieved 2009-05-30.
23.^ "The Wages of War: Iraqi Combatant and Noncombatant Fatalities in the 2003 Conflict. PDA Research Monograph 8, 20 October 2003. Carl Conetta". Comw.org. Retrieved 2009-05-30.
24.^ Iraq surveys show 'humanitarian emergency' UNICEF Newsline August 12, 1999
25.^ "Saddam Hussein's Iraq". Fas.org. Retrieved 2009-09-02.
26.^ Arnove, Anthony. Iraq Under Siege: The Deadly Impact of Sanctions and War, South End Press, April 2000.
27.^ http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/iraqfocus1.pdf
28.^ Bill Clinton Loses His Cool in Democracy Now! Interview on Everything But Monica: Leonard Peltier, Racial Profiling, the Iraqi Sanctions, Ralph Nader, the Death Penalty and th...
29.^ Hans Koechler (ed.), ECONOMIC SANCTIONS AND DEVELOPMENT - Studies in International Relations, XXIII - Vienna: International Progress Organization, 1997
30.^ Rubin, Michael (December 2001). Sanctions on Iraq: A Valid Anti-American Grievance?. 5. Middle East Review of International Affairs. pp. 100–115.
31.^ Milton Leitenberg, “Saddam is the Cause of Iraqis’ Suffering,” Institute For the Study of Genocide Newsletter, No. 28, n.d.
32.^ New York Times, September 12, 2000.
33.^ Spagat, Michael (2010 September). "Truth and death in Iraq under sanctions". Significance (journal).

 

[Stephanie]

What else is new? muslims do lots of killing. Here is an interesting
stat for you-----a HIGHER PERCENTAGE of yemeni muslims own
fire-arms than americans own fire arms (in shariah shit holes
non muslims cannot own weapons-----but---well----the fact is
that in yemen there are no non muslims left--a fact that does
impact on the stats) Did you know that Yemen was once a pre-
dominantly jewish country----and later on ---christians ADDED on.
The christians left for obvious reasons-----LONG AGO---well
almost immediately co-incident with the NOBLE CAREER OF THE
RAPIST PIG OF ARABIA

Those people would be alive today if we hadn't of illegally invaded that country.

How do you know?

he doesn't, or he has a crystal ball

 

[Meathead]

Our own leaders didn't even say that.

Not sure what you're referring to: "Our Leaders," but there's ample evidence of death and torture as a result of the Iraqi government lead by Saddam Hussein.



Have "Our Leaders" said anything about those deaths mentioned in the OP?

Sure.

There's ample examples of torture and death in almost every government on earth.

No one was saying Saddam did in a million people.

The numbers I heard were some 300K over 30 years.

The US beat those numbers in 3 years.

As appropriate as your name may be, perhaps you should "swallow" a bit less.

Meathead

 

[Sallow]

Statistics?




You would have had more credability had you replied, "Tea Leaves."

Generally statistics point out you have a better chance walking down the street if you aren't getting bombed.

In Saddams Iraq, that depended upon whether or not you were a Sunni Muslim

Here are a few references:

1.^ "UN condemns Iraq on human rights". BBC News. 2002-04-19.
2.^ JURIST - Dateline
3.^ a b "Whatever Happened To The Iraqi Kurds?". Hrw.org. Retrieved 2009-09-25.
4.^ "Iraq: ‘Disappearances’ – the agony continues". Web.amnesty.org. 2005-07-30. Retrieved 2009-09-25.
5.^ "ENDLESS TORMENT, The 1991 Uprising in Iraq And Its Aftermath". Hrw.org. Retrieved 2009-09-25.
6.^ "Human Rights Watch, Iraq archive". Hrw.org. Retrieved 2009-09-25.
7.^ Jordan, Eason (April 11, 2003). "The News We (CNN) Kept To Ourselves". The New York Times. (requires login)
8.^ Mass Grave Discovery In Iraq Could Fuel Divisions : NPR
9.^ By Dexter Filkins (2007-10-07). "Iraq – Kanan Makiya – Saddam Hussein – New York Times". Iraq: Nytimes.com. Retrieved 2009-09-02.
10.^ "News". Indict. 2003-06-18. Retrieved 2009-09-02.
11.^ A Lifesaving War | The Weekly Standard
12.^ a b "Bland words, vivid images wait to nail Saddam's crimes". The Age (Melbourne). 2003-03-18.
13.^ Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls and Casualty Statistics for Wars, Dictatorships and Genocides
14.^ Endless Torment: The 1991 Uprising in Iraq And Its Aftermath, Human Rights Watch, June 1992.
15.^ Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls
16.^ See, for example, Jonathan C. Randal, "Kurd in Iraqi Jail Dodges Gallows When U.S. Bomb Jars Cell Door," Washington Post, April 5, 1991.
17.^ "Iraqi Deaths from the Gulf War as of April 1992," Greenpeace, Washington, D.C. See also “Aftermath of War: The Persian Gulf War Refugee Crisis," Staff Report to the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Immigration and Refugee Affairs, May 20, 1991. The figure of nearly 1,000 deaths per day is also given in "Kurdistan in the Time of Saddam Hussein," Staff Report to the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, November 1991, p.14.
18.^ Milton Viorst, "Report from Baghdad," The New Yorker, June 24, 1991, p. 72.
19.^ Perazzo, John, Iraqi Horrors, FrontPage Magazine, November 29, 2002.
20.^ “Kurdistan in the Time of Saddam Hussein," p. 15. See also "Civil War in Iraq," Staff Report to the Committee on Foreign Relations of the U.S. Senate, May 1991, pp. 8-9.
21.^ "Morbidity and Mortality Among Iraqi Children". Casi.org.uk. Retrieved 2009-06-15.
22.^ "Reason Magazine – The Politics of Dead Children". Reason.com. 2002-03-01. Retrieved 2009-05-30.
23.^ "The Wages of War: Iraqi Combatant and Noncombatant Fatalities in the 2003 Conflict. PDA Research Monograph 8, 20 October 2003. Carl Conetta". Comw.org. Retrieved 2009-05-30.
24.^ Iraq surveys show 'humanitarian emergency' UNICEF Newsline August 12, 1999
25.^ "Saddam Hussein's Iraq". Fas.org. Retrieved 2009-09-02.
26.^ Arnove, Anthony. Iraq Under Siege: The Deadly Impact of Sanctions and War, South End Press, April 2000.
27.^ http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/iraqfocus1.pdf
28.^ Bill Clinton Loses His Cool in Democracy Now! Interview on Everything But Monica: Leonard Peltier, Racial Profiling, the Iraqi Sanctions, Ralph Nader, the Death Penalty and th...
29.^ Hans Koechler (ed.), ECONOMIC SANCTIONS AND DEVELOPMENT - Studies in International Relations, XXIII - Vienna: International Progress Organization, 1997
30.^ Rubin, Michael (December 2001). Sanctions on Iraq: A Valid Anti-American Grievance?. 5. Middle East Review of International Affairs. pp. 100–115.
31.^ Milton Leitenberg, “Saddam is the Cause of Iraqis’ Suffering,” Institute For the Study of Genocide Newsletter, No. 28, n.d.
32.^ New York Times, September 12, 2000.
33.^ Spagat, Michael (2010 September). "Truth and death in Iraq under sanctions". Significance (journal).

What's your point here?

There are plenty of countries that do bad things to people.

That doesn't give other nations license to illegally invade them.

The US used that ol' chestnut.

"Might Makes Right".

 

[Sallow]

Not sure what you're referring to: "Our Leaders," but there's ample evidence of death and torture as a result of the Iraqi government lead by Saddam Hussein.



Have "Our Leaders" said anything about those deaths mentioned in the OP?

Sure.

There's ample examples of torture and death in almost every government on earth.

No one was saying Saddam did in a million people.

The numbers I heard were some 300K over 30 years.

The US beat those numbers in 3 years.

As appropriate as your name may be, perhaps you should "swallow" a bit less.

Meathead

Another conservative faggot?

You want to swallow my meat, Suckmeat?

Naw.

I like the ladies.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKE3dIrRIbg][HD] "What What (In the Butt)" in HD !!! - YouTube[/ame]

That guy might be more your speed.

 

[irosie91]

300,000 in genocide over ten years
is nothing to sneeze at----Saddam was
just getting warmed up in his genocide
of kurds -----just ten years? but
he was murdering shiites and kurds for
more than ten years ---and
300,000 is 30 % of that "MILLION"
sherri blames on THE ZIONIST
CONTROLLED CIA
(are islamo nazis still
using that phrase??)

 

[Meathead]

Sure.

There's ample examples of torture and death in almost every government on earth.

No one was saying Saddam did in a million people.

The numbers I heard were some 300K over 30 years.

The US beat those numbers in 3 years.

As appropriate as your name may be, perhaps you should "swallow" a bit less.

Meathead

Another conservative faggot?

You want to swallow my meat, Suckmeat?

Naw.

I like the ladies.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKE3dIrRIbg][HD] "What What (In the Butt)" in HD !!! - YouTube[/ame]

That guy might be more your speed.

Alrght, that was a cheap shot. However, my attack, though immature, was at least tanginately poigniant. You really do seem like one of those a bit too small-dicked willingly deal with. Bit of a swallorer to boot.

Ciao

 

[Samson]

Generally statistics point out you have a better chance walking down the street if you aren't getting bombed.

In Saddams Iraq, that depended upon whether or not you were a Sunni Muslim

Here are a few references:

1.^ "UN condemns Iraq on human rights". BBC News. 2002-04-19.
2.^ JURIST - Dateline
3.^ a b "Whatever Happened To The Iraqi Kurds?". Hrw.org. Retrieved 2009-09-25.
4.^ "Iraq: ‘Disappearances’ – the agony continues". Web.amnesty.org. 2005-07-30. Retrieved 2009-09-25.
5.^ "ENDLESS TORMENT, The 1991 Uprising in Iraq And Its Aftermath". Hrw.org. Retrieved 2009-09-25.
6.^ "Human Rights Watch, Iraq archive". Hrw.org. Retrieved 2009-09-25.
7.^ Jordan, Eason (April 11, 2003). "The News We (CNN) Kept To Ourselves". The New York Times. (requires login)
8.^ Mass Grave Discovery In Iraq Could Fuel Divisions : NPR
9.^ By Dexter Filkins (2007-10-07). "Iraq – Kanan Makiya – Saddam Hussein – New York Times". Iraq: Nytimes.com. Retrieved 2009-09-02.
10.^ "News". Indict. 2003-06-18. Retrieved 2009-09-02.
11.^ A Lifesaving War | The Weekly Standard
12.^ a b "Bland words, vivid images wait to nail Saddam's crimes". The Age (Melbourne). 2003-03-18.
13.^ Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls and Casualty Statistics for Wars, Dictatorships and Genocides
14.^ Endless Torment: The 1991 Uprising in Iraq And Its Aftermath, Human Rights Watch, June 1992.
15.^ Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls
16.^ See, for example, Jonathan C. Randal, "Kurd in Iraqi Jail Dodges Gallows When U.S. Bomb Jars Cell Door," Washington Post, April 5, 1991.
17.^ "Iraqi Deaths from the Gulf War as of April 1992," Greenpeace, Washington, D.C. See also “Aftermath of War: The Persian Gulf War Refugee Crisis," Staff Report to the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Immigration and Refugee Affairs, May 20, 1991. The figure of nearly 1,000 deaths per day is also given in "Kurdistan in the Time of Saddam Hussein," Staff Report to the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, November 1991, p.14.
18.^ Milton Viorst, "Report from Baghdad," The New Yorker, June 24, 1991, p. 72.
19.^ Perazzo, John, Iraqi Horrors, FrontPage Magazine, November 29, 2002.
20.^ “Kurdistan in the Time of Saddam Hussein," p. 15. See also "Civil War in Iraq," Staff Report to the Committee on Foreign Relations of the U.S. Senate, May 1991, pp. 8-9.
21.^ "Morbidity and Mortality Among Iraqi Children". Casi.org.uk. Retrieved 2009-06-15.
22.^ "Reason Magazine – The Politics of Dead Children". Reason.com. 2002-03-01. Retrieved 2009-05-30.
23.^ "The Wages of War: Iraqi Combatant and Noncombatant Fatalities in the 2003 Conflict. PDA Research Monograph 8, 20 October 2003. Carl Conetta". Comw.org. Retrieved 2009-05-30.
24.^ Iraq surveys show 'humanitarian emergency' UNICEF Newsline August 12, 1999
25.^ "Saddam Hussein's Iraq". Fas.org. Retrieved 2009-09-02.
26.^ Arnove, Anthony. Iraq Under Siege: The Deadly Impact of Sanctions and War, South End Press, April 2000.
27.^ http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/iraqfocus1.pdf
28.^ Bill Clinton Loses His Cool in Democracy Now! Interview on Everything But Monica: Leonard Peltier, Racial Profiling, the Iraqi Sanctions, Ralph Nader, the Death Penalty and th...
29.^ Hans Koechler (ed.), ECONOMIC SANCTIONS AND DEVELOPMENT - Studies in International Relations, XXIII - Vienna: International Progress Organization, 1997
30.^ Rubin, Michael (December 2001). Sanctions on Iraq: A Valid Anti-American Grievance?. 5. Middle East Review of International Affairs. pp. 100–115.
31.^ Milton Leitenberg, “Saddam is the Cause of Iraqis’ Suffering,” Institute For the Study of Genocide Newsletter, No. 28, n.d.
32.^ New York Times, September 12, 2000.
33.^ Spagat, Michael (2010 September). "Truth and death in Iraq under sanctions". Significance (journal).

What's your point here?

There are plenty of countries that do bad things to people.

That doesn't give other nations license to illegally invade them.

The US used that ol' chestnut.

"Might Makes Right".

My point is that Iraq wasn't a garden spot BEFORE the invasion, and it would be much more likely to remain worse without intervention than with it.

And while there may be "plenty of countries" where human rights violations are found, few match the quality and quatity of those found in Saddam's Iraq. Additionally, very few have invaded their nieghbors (Iran, Kuwait).

Now, YOUR point seems to be that there is NO circumstance short of actually being attacked, for the USA to invade another nation. Upon this point we disagree.

However, we do have common ground when it the justification for invasion = human rights violations: The USA should not invade other nations based only upon this criteria.

 

[irosie91]

I supported the invasion of Iraq---for the purpose
of putting SADDAAM down-----Saddaam was
emulating ADOLF ABU ALI in Iraq and was
on that specific path. The fact that this war
rages on is-----very unfortunate for the world---
but really a misdeed on the part of the USA.
It is a consequence of Saddaam very own
ideology BAATHISM which is simply
synonymous with arabism/islamicism/nazism

Baathists>> al husseini, nasser, saddaam, morsi,
assad, CAIR, al queida

islamicist>> Iran, Hezbollah---erdogan (for
personal reasons of ambition)

 

[Sallow]

As appropriate as your name may be, perhaps you should "swallow" a bit less.

Meathead

Another conservative faggot?

You want to swallow my meat, Suckmeat?

Naw.

I like the ladies.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKE3dIrRIbg][HD] "What What (In the Butt)" in HD !!! - YouTube[/ame]

That guy might be more your speed.

Alrght, that was a cheap shot. However, my attack, though immature, was at least tanginately poigniant. You really do seem like one of those a bit too small-dicked willingly deal with. Bit of a swallorer to boot.

Ciao

Naw.

I nailed it you fucking faggot.

You are obsessed with dick size as well.

Suckmeat.

When you troll for straight men..to swallow their loads you generally piss them off.

Let you know in advance fairy.

 

[Sallow]

In Saddams Iraq, that depended upon whether or not you were a Sunni Muslim

Here are a few references:

1.^ "UN condemns Iraq on human rights". BBC News. 2002-04-19.
2.^ JURIST - Dateline
3.^ a b "Whatever Happened To The Iraqi Kurds?". Hrw.org. Retrieved 2009-09-25.
4.^ "Iraq: ‘Disappearances’ – the agony continues". Web.amnesty.org. 2005-07-30. Retrieved 2009-09-25.
5.^ "ENDLESS TORMENT, The 1991 Uprising in Iraq And Its Aftermath". Hrw.org. Retrieved 2009-09-25.
6.^ "Human Rights Watch, Iraq archive". Hrw.org. Retrieved 2009-09-25.
7.^ Jordan, Eason (April 11, 2003). "The News We (CNN) Kept To Ourselves". The New York Times. (requires login)
8.^ Mass Grave Discovery In Iraq Could Fuel Divisions : NPR
9.^ By Dexter Filkins (2007-10-07). "Iraq – Kanan Makiya – Saddam Hussein – New York Times". Iraq: Nytimes.com. Retrieved 2009-09-02.
10.^ "News". Indict. 2003-06-18. Retrieved 2009-09-02.
11.^ A Lifesaving War | The Weekly Standard
12.^ a b "Bland words, vivid images wait to nail Saddam's crimes". The Age (Melbourne). 2003-03-18.
13.^ Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls and Casualty Statistics for Wars, Dictatorships and Genocides
14.^ Endless Torment: The 1991 Uprising in Iraq And Its Aftermath, Human Rights Watch, June 1992.
15.^ Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls
16.^ See, for example, Jonathan C. Randal, "Kurd in Iraqi Jail Dodges Gallows When U.S. Bomb Jars Cell Door," Washington Post, April 5, 1991.
17.^ "Iraqi Deaths from the Gulf War as of April 1992," Greenpeace, Washington, D.C. See also “Aftermath of War: The Persian Gulf War Refugee Crisis," Staff Report to the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Immigration and Refugee Affairs, May 20, 1991. The figure of nearly 1,000 deaths per day is also given in "Kurdistan in the Time of Saddam Hussein," Staff Report to the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, November 1991, p.14.
18.^ Milton Viorst, "Report from Baghdad," The New Yorker, June 24, 1991, p. 72.
19.^ Perazzo, John, Iraqi Horrors, FrontPage Magazine, November 29, 2002.
20.^ “Kurdistan in the Time of Saddam Hussein," p. 15. See also "Civil War in Iraq," Staff Report to the Committee on Foreign Relations of the U.S. Senate, May 1991, pp. 8-9.
21.^ "Morbidity and Mortality Among Iraqi Children". Casi.org.uk. Retrieved 2009-06-15.
22.^ "Reason Magazine – The Politics of Dead Children". Reason.com. 2002-03-01. Retrieved 2009-05-30.
23.^ "The Wages of War: Iraqi Combatant and Noncombatant Fatalities in the 2003 Conflict. PDA Research Monograph 8, 20 October 2003. Carl Conetta". Comw.org. Retrieved 2009-05-30.
24.^ Iraq surveys show 'humanitarian emergency' UNICEF Newsline August 12, 1999
25.^ "Saddam Hussein's Iraq". Fas.org. Retrieved 2009-09-02.
26.^ Arnove, Anthony. Iraq Under Siege: The Deadly Impact of Sanctions and War, South End Press, April 2000.
27.^ http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/iraqfocus1.pdf
28.^ Bill Clinton Loses His Cool in Democracy Now! Interview on Everything But Monica: Leonard Peltier, Racial Profiling, the Iraqi Sanctions, Ralph Nader, the Death Penalty and th...
29.^ Hans Koechler (ed.), ECONOMIC SANCTIONS AND DEVELOPMENT - Studies in International Relations, XXIII - Vienna: International Progress Organization, 1997
30.^ Rubin, Michael (December 2001). Sanctions on Iraq: A Valid Anti-American Grievance?. 5. Middle East Review of International Affairs. pp. 100–115.
31.^ Milton Leitenberg, “Saddam is the Cause of Iraqis’ Suffering,” Institute For the Study of Genocide Newsletter, No. 28, n.d.
32.^ New York Times, September 12, 2000.
33.^ Spagat, Michael (2010 September). "Truth and death in Iraq under sanctions". Significance (journal).

What's your point here?

There are plenty of countries that do bad things to people.

That doesn't give other nations license to illegally invade them.

The US used that ol' chestnut.

"Might Makes Right".

My point is that Iraq wasn't a garden spot BEFORE the invasion, and it would be much more likely to remain worse without intervention than with it.

And while there may be "plenty of countries" where human rights violations are found, few match the quality and quatity of those found in Saddam's Iraq. Additionally, very few have invaded their nieghbors (Iran, Kuwait).

Now, YOUR point seems to be that there is NO circumstance short of actually being attacked, for the USA to invade another nation. Upon this point we disagree.

However, we do have common ground when it the justification for invasion = human rights violations: The USA should not invade other nations based only upon this criteria.

No..that's not my point. I was perfectly fine with the actions taken in the Balkans.

My point is that when you lie to invade a country that did nothing to you..

It's a crime.

That work?