‘Nothing Less Than a Civil War’:These White Voters on the Far Right See Doom Without Trump

[flacaltenn]

Sheesh.. As tho there are no scary characters on YOUR side... Especially your nothing Congressional socialist freshman..

Yeah, the big, almighty, terrifying AOC. She'll once again take to dancing on a rooftop, and dance Western civilization and White culture right into oblivion. Also, she'll singlehandedly ram the destructive Green New Deal down Americans' throats, who would inevitably choke to death upon the experience. Because that's the kind of thing freshman Congresswomen are usually empowered to do.

Very scary. Say, Flac, do you actually believe any of that verbiage you are emitting here? Because, quite frankly, a freshman Congresswoman doesn't usually lend herself to becoming the big, bad bogeyman the rightarded blabbosphere made of her. Did you actually fall for that?

I did fall for it.. The entire concept of how Boston U graduated an ECONOMICS student that ignorant of economics or math or logic and reason is TERRIFYING to folks who aren't duty bound to vote for party..

There's a whole circus train of mental midgets on the DNC debate stage who can't get past outbidding each other to make life risk free and effortless for everyone.. Collectively, they couldn't run a bowling alley...

It's truly scary times.. And the QUALITY of leadership is rotting.. Because the 2 parties are being rewarded for being inept and stupid by rabid partisans..

And I'm baffled at a mentally troubled, rich as sin 16 yr old that just SHOUTS at people with LITTLE to NO knowledge of GW --- becoming "Person of the Year"...

With THOSE metrics, I'm gonna start re-reading the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire... Because the hordes are at the fucking gates...

 

[flacaltenn]

And all of this makes Putin orgasmic... He couldn't have ever imagined getting this much help destroying the American political system from within....

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Sheesh.. As tho there are no scary characters on YOUR side... Especially your nothing Congressional socialist freshman..

Yeah, the big, almighty, terrifying AOC. She'll once again take to dancing on a rooftop, and dance Western civilization and White culture right into oblivion. Also, she'll singlehandedly ram the destructive Green New Deal down Americans' throats, who would inevitably choke to death upon the experience. Because that's the kind of thing freshman Congresswomen are usually empowered to do.

Very scary. Say, Flac, do you actually believe any of that verbiage you are emitting here? Because, quite frankly, a freshman Congresswoman doesn't usually lend herself to becoming the big, bad bogeyman the rightarded blabbosphere made of her. Did you actually fall for that?

I did fall for it.. The entire concept of how Boston U graduated an ECONOMICS student that ignorant of economics or math or logic and reason is TERRIFYING to folks who aren't duty bound to vote for party..

There's a whole circus train of mental midgets on the DNC debate stage who can't get past outbidding each other to make life risk free and effortless for everyone.. Collectively, they couldn't run a bowling alley...

It's truly scary times.. And the QUALITY of leadership is rotting.. Because the 2 parties are being rewarded for being inept and stupid by rabid partisans..

And I'm baffled at a mentally troubled, rich as sin 16 yr old that just SHOUTS at people with LITTLE to NO knowledge of GW --- becoming "Person of the Year"...

With THOSE metrics, I'm gonna start re-reading the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire... Because the hordes are at the fucking gates...

Well..you're on the right track...I'd recommend studying the fall of the Roman Republic and the rise of empire from its ashes.
The Republic fell because of factionalism--the competing political factions were reduced to battling in the streets under the guise of the racing factions. Reds, Greens, Blues, Sound familiar? The Senate was powerless as they dithered. The public disorder became so great that Julius Caesar could take it no longer..he crossed the Rubicon--restored order..and the Republic died..and the Empire was born.

Same as it ever was.....

 

[Olde Europe]

I think, that the crux of the matter, for me..is that I don't see the Congress as being an arbiter of law, in this case. I know it sounds odd..that the body that makes our laws is not competent to administer them. I think the Founding Father's screwed up..with the impeachment process. Allegations of wrong doing should have gone straight to the Supreme Court. Anyway, it is all moot. We have the system that we have.

You make a lot of statements..that are opinion..as though they are fact. Some I agree with..some..for me..the jury is still out. Pelosi sitting splendid in the eyes of every reasonable person on earth..is one that I have issue with. Keeping the politics of impeachment in reasonable confines is another. The House could have been fairer..they could have opened it up to Republicans..but here is the thing--their minds were already made up..and Impeachment was inevitable. Any investigation where the outcome is preordained is as tainted as a trial where acquittal is certain. Understand that I think Trump is guilty as can be--but the process IS tainted. True justice can only exist when there is impartial judgement...and that does not exist..in this impeachment process...at all.

BTW, I was against Clinton's impeachment as well. Despite the undisputed fact that he did break the law. I note that he did not get removed..as the Senate..in a purely partisan vote..refused to confirm.

Yes, Trump's stock in trade is divisiveness. He rode division straight into the White House--but impeachment has not changed that..it has exacerbated it. Without even holding out the hope that Trump will be kicked out. Many of us have notice this..and commented on it..it is not new.

In the end...I'm against things I see as meaningless...as far as results are concerned. I get that it's red meat to the Left..that it energizes the base..but Kabuki I said..and I stand by it.

I respect that you see me as on the wrong track...I feel the same way about impeachment..as it stands. That is, of course, subject to change.

But, the Senate IS the arbiter of the Constitution, as the Founders thought it out, and thought it through well. I understand what your hope is, involving the Supreme Court, but what you'd get instead is a Supreme Court dragged into the political muck. "Activist judges" should have been ringing in your ears while you typed that. It would be a massive - massive - disservice to the country. Goes without saying, by decrying Impeachment and Trial while there is no way criminally to indict the president, you are aiming, unwittingly I trust, for a presidency above the law, the exact opposite of what the Founders wanted - what they feared most of all, actually. Impeachment and Trial of the president is political, inevitably so. All the more important is that those in a position to sit as judges over the president be taken to account, and compelled to justify their decisions before the ultimate arbiter, the population. That's exactly as it should be, and based on a solid foundation of fact. The House provided such basis, and the Senators have a chance to improve on that, or besmirch and deface themselves.

The Republicans had every chance to involve themselves in the Impeachment inquiry, question witnesses, and call witnesses with pertinent knowledge of the matters at hand. What they did instead is create a spectacle, and then they turned around to whine about how unfair it all was, when it was not. I find it shameful to fall for that. Had Republicans in the House any - ANY - interest in uncovering the truth, they would have supported the calls for Mulvaney and Bolton to testify. They did, however, not. Not once, not one of them. And then you turn around and complain it's political, and blame it on Democrats. That is a severe error of judgment. Yes, Republicans did call fact witnesses who actually testified defying Trump's orders not to, and, boy, did that explode into their faces, as these pretty much confirmed the wrongdoing.

Not impeaching the president, when half the country supports impeachment and removal, would be at least as divisive as impeachment is. The root cause of the divisiveness is Trump's habitual corruption. It is as if I never said it, or didn't say it with good reason, and you simply restate that impeachment is divisive, as if that amounted to a valid argument. Do we now make holding the Executive to account contingent on possible divisions? For that is what your stance boils down to, I am sad to say, and that would be another massive disservice to the country.

Yeah, I see, you are concerned about divisions, and fear for the country. Creating a presidency above the law, however, is no way to preserve the Republic - it much rather amounts to doing Cesar's bidding.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And all of this makes Putin orgasmic... He couldn't have ever imagined getting this much help destroying the American political system from within....

Absolutely. No doubt he views his Trump project as the absolute pinnacle of his efforts to weaken the US and NATO.

 

[Olde Europe]

With THOSE metrics, I'm gonna start re-reading the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire... Because the hordes are at the fucking gates...

The horde...

Goes without saying, they are not at the gates, the gates are already breached.

 

[kyzr]

With THOSE metrics, I'm gonna start re-reading the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire... Because the hordes are at the fucking gates...

The horde...

Goes without saying, they are not at the gates, the gates are already breached.

Those are the good guys, the ones we need in-charge of DC.

In case you forgot, Operation Crossfire Hurricane is the biggest scandal in US history. When the Obama FBI, DOJ, CIA and other agencies of the Federal government were used to illegally spy on the opposition party. Then when Trump won, they plotted coup attempts and tried to disrupt his administration.

Durham and Barr will start with the indictments by the summer, just in time for the presidential race.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

In case you forgot, Operation Crossfire Hurricane is the biggest scandal in US history. When

Haha...sure. I am sure Barr the puppet will get around to prosecuting it right after the official investigation into the Bidens.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I think, that the crux of the matter, for me..is that I don't see the Congress as being an arbiter of law, in this case. I know it sounds odd..that the body that makes our laws is not competent to administer them. I think the Founding Father's screwed up..with the impeachment process. Allegations of wrong doing should have gone straight to the Supreme Court. Anyway, it is all moot. We have the system that we have.

You make a lot of statements..that are opinion..as though they are fact. Some I agree with..some..for me..the jury is still out. Pelosi sitting splendid in the eyes of every reasonable person on earth..is one that I have issue with. Keeping the politics of impeachment in reasonable confines is another. The House could have been fairer..they could have opened it up to Republicans..but here is the thing--their minds were already made up..and Impeachment was inevitable. Any investigation where the outcome is preordained is as tainted as a trial where acquittal is certain. Understand that I think Trump is guilty as can be--but the process IS tainted. True justice can only exist when there is impartial judgement...and that does not exist..in this impeachment process...at all.

BTW, I was against Clinton's impeachment as well. Despite the undisputed fact that he did break the law. I note that he did not get removed..as the Senate..in a purely partisan vote..refused to confirm.

Yes, Trump's stock in trade is divisiveness. He rode division straight into the White House--but impeachment has not changed that..it has exacerbated it. Without even holding out the hope that Trump will be kicked out. Many of us have notice this..and commented on it..it is not new.

In the end...I'm against things I see as meaningless...as far as results are concerned. I get that it's red meat to the Left..that it energizes the base..but Kabuki I said..and I stand by it.

I respect that you see me as on the wrong track...I feel the same way about impeachment..as it stands. That is, of course, subject to change.

But, the Senate IS the arbiter of the Constitution, as the Founders thought it out, and thought it through well. I understand what your hope is, involving the Supreme Court, but what you'd get instead is a Supreme Court dragged into the political muck. "Activist judges" should have been ringing in your ears while you typed that. It would be a massive - massive - disservice to the country. Goes without saying, by decrying Impeachment and Trial while there is no way criminally to indict the president, you are aiming, unwittingly I trust, for a presidency above the law, the exact opposite of what the Founders wanted - what they feared most of all, actually. Impeachment and Trial of the president is political, inevitably so. All the more important is that those in a position to sit as judges over the president be taken to account, and compelled to justify their decisions before the ultimate arbiter, the population. That's exactly as it should be, and based on a solid foundation of fact. The House provided such basis, and the Senators have a chance to improve on that, or besmirch and deface themselves.

The Republicans had every chance to involve themselves in the Impeachment inquiry, question witnesses, and call witnesses with pertinent knowledge of the matters at hand. What they did instead is create a spectacle, and then they turned around to whine about how unfair it all was, when it was not. I find it shameful to fall for that. Had Republicans in the House any - ANY - interest in uncovering the truth, they would have supported the calls for Mulvaney and Bolton to testify. They did, however, not. Not once, not one of them. And then you turn around and complain it's political, and blame it on Democrats. That is a severe error of judgment. Yes, Republicans did call fact witnesses who actually testified defying Trump's orders not to, and, boy, did that explode into their faces, as these pretty much confirmed the wrongdoing.

Not impeaching the president, when half the country supports impeachment and removal, would be at least as divisive as impeachment is. The root cause of the divisiveness is Trump's habitual corruption. It is as if I never said it, or didn't say it with good reason, and you simply restate that impeachment is divisive, as if that amounted to a valid argument. Do we now make holding the Executive to account contingent on possible divisions? For that is what your stance boils down to, I am sad to say, and that would be another massive disservice to the country.

Yeah, I see, you are concerned about divisions, and fear for the country. Creating a presidency above the law, however, is no way to preserve the Republic - it much rather amounts to doing Cesar's bidding.

Your entire novel is all misleading horseshit that I will not dignify.
Whats happening before your very eyes is simple as fuck.
Contrary to your retarded belief...We have a president working for we the people, exposing the corruption within the establishment and among the whores of D.C....The filth on the hill are all shitting their pants as Trump is single-handedly shaping a new D.C.......CNN has you programmed to believe otherwise...that's all...it's just that simple.

 

[HappyJoy]

We can thank talk radio and nutter "news" sites for whipping these people into this frenzy.

If there is violence, if people die, they will have enabled it.
.

They will have caused it. Those who excuse it as typical partisanship such as 'both sides do it' will have enabled them.

 

[Kosh]

Wow! A lot of what we see here everyday....an interesting look into the far right rural voter:

‘Nothing Less Than a Civil War’: These White Voters on the Far Right See Doom Without Trump

Great American Pizza & Subs, on a highway about 100 miles southeast of Las Vegas, was busier and Trumpier than usual. On any given day it serves “M.A.G.A. Subs” and “Liberty Bell Lasagna.” The “Second Amendment” pizza comes “loaded” with pepperoni and sausage. The dining room is covered in regalia praising President Trump.
But this October morning was “Trumpstock,” a small festival celebrating the president. The speakers included the local Republican congressman, Paul Gosar, and lesser-known conservative personalities. There was a fringe 2020 Senate candidate in Arizona who ran a website that published sexually explicit photos of women without their consent; a pro-Trump rapper whose lyrics include a racist slur aimed at Barack Obama; and a North Carolina activist who once said of Muslims, “I will kill every one of them before they get to me.”

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Interesting since it is the white far left elite telling people this!

 

[flacaltenn]

And all of this makes Putin orgasmic... He couldn't have ever imagined getting this much help destroying the American political system from within....

Absolutely. No doubt he views his Trump project as the absolute pinnacle of his efforts to weaken the US and NATO.

You're a laugh riot.. Trump is much tougher on Putin than previous admins.. Gave permission to blow away a couple Russian mercenaries in Syria.. Actually gave MEANINGFUL weapons to Ukraine.. Didn't cow to Russia because he needed them to get a phony Iran nuclear deal...

YOUR team has done more to destroy confidence in American leadership and govt than Putin EVER could accomplish.. The "russian sources" for that phony Steele dossier now have statues in the Kremlin for DUPING the media and the country so badly... AND WE CAUSED the 3 year meltdown.. Not Trump or Putin...

 

[kyzr]

In case you forgot, Operation Crossfire Hurricane is the biggest scandal in US history. When

Haha...sure. I am sure Barr the puppet will get around to prosecuting it right after the official investigation into the Bidens.

That may be true, IF Barr and Durham find anything indictable on either Biden.
If not, the Bidens are clear and Barr can focus on the deep state coup conspirators.

 

[Olde Europe]

You're a laugh riot.. Trump is much tougher on Putin than previous admins.. Gave permission to blow away a couple Russian mercenaries in Syria.. Actually gave MEANINGFUL weapons to Ukraine.. Didn't cow to Russia because he needed them to get a phony Iran nuclear deal...

YOUR team has done more to destroy confidence in American leadership and govt than Putin EVER could accomplish.. The "russian sources" for that phony Steele dossier now have statues in the Kremlin for DUPING the media and the country so badly... AND WE CAUSED the 3 year meltdown.. Not Trump or Putin...

Sanctions are ramping up because Congress, in a rare show of bipartisanship, is ramping up sanctions, against Trump's resistance. They even got damn near passing a resolution condemning Trump's halting and belated implementation of Congressionally mandated sanctions.

Yes, these mercenaries appeared to march toward a small American outpost. Every president would have agreed to take them out.

For most of President Obama's time, Ukraine was deemed too corrupt to receive lethal aid. Moreover, when Luhansk oblast was taken over by rebels, providing weapons was initially considered a risk of inviting Russia to invade. When Ukraine got serious about corruption, and Russia's direct involvement in Luhansk became clear, both went a away, and weapons delivery started - until, in order to get a little personal favor, the corrupt goon halted it.

Ah, the infamous Steele dossier. That caused quite a ripple, for a while. In the overall scheme of things, it is a pittance, other than for subservient Trump acolytes who cannot possibly stop whining about it. There is a three-year meltdown, yes, and it's the corrupt, incompetent clown you elected into office, and who hasn't seen an international institution the U.S. helped to build, and which he worked to undermine and destroy. That's the entirety of the destruction of confidence in U.S. leadership. Putin had next to nothing to do with that, but Trump most assuredly did.

 

[Preacher]

We can thank talk radio and nutter "news" sites for whipping these people into this frenzy.

If there is violence, if people die, they will have enabled it.
.

They will have caused it. Those who excuse it as typical partisanship such as 'both sides do it' will have enabled them.

Nope. The cause is the government being controlled by a foreign race who has their own interests in mind when it comes to dictating law and policy. You clowns who go along with it are just as guilty. Talk radio which I listen to VERY rarely just gives commentary that's TAME compared to my own thoughts about what is going on which American's can see with their own eyes.

 

[HappyJoy]

We can thank talk radio and nutter "news" sites for whipping these people into this frenzy.

If there is violence, if people die, they will have enabled it.
.

They will have caused it. Those who excuse it as typical partisanship such as 'both sides do it' will have enabled them.

Nope. The cause is the government being controlled by a foreign race who has their own interests in mind when it comes to dictating law and policy. You clowns who go along with it are just as guilty. Talk radio which I listen to VERY rarely just gives commentary that's TAME compared to my own thoughts about what is going on which American's can see with their own eyes.

Mmm, crack.

 

[lennypartiv]

And all of this makes Putin orgasmic... He couldn't have ever imagined getting this much help destroying the American political system from within....

Absolutely. No doubt he views his Trump project as the absolute pinnacle of his efforts to weaken the US and NATO.

Where do you libs get this crap?

 

[flacaltenn]

Ah, the infamous Steele dossier. That caused quite a ripple, for a while. In the overall scheme of things, it is a pittance, other than for subservient Trump acolytes who cannot possibly stop whining about it.

How have you managed to avoid the monstrous fact that ALL of the "Trump is a traitor" Trump is a Spawn of Putin HINGED around this "infamous" fraud.. It was given FULL blessing as a legitimate US Intel product by Clapper and Brennan and Comey, when EVERYONE including STEELE knew it was pure diarreatic fantasy...

All of the spying and active full foreign Intel compromise actions against Page, Cavuto, Papadopoulus -- AND the wimpy "Mueller Report and 18 months of fake news were BASED on this thing you call a pittance..

There was ZERO other corroborating evidence that ANY US person was involved in "Russian election interference"... Says so in the Mueller Report that Mueller seems to know little about.

Maybe YOU have time to waste 3 years of your life worshipping fake news fantasies and govt abuse of power and to remain stupid useful idiot.. Most of us don't...

 

[Olde Europe]

How have you managed to avoid the monstrous fact that ALL of the "Trump is a traitor" Trump is a Spawn of Putin HINGED around this "infamous" fraud.. It was given FULL blessing as a legitimate US Intel product by Clapper and Brennan and Comey, when EVERYONE including STEELE knew it was pure diarreatic fantasy...

All of the spying and active full foreign Intel compromise actions against Page, Cavuto, Papadopoulus -- AND the wimpy "Mueller Report and 18 months of fake news were BASED on this thing you call a pittance..

There was ZERO other corroborating evidence that ANY US person was involved in "Russian election interference"... Says so in the Mueller Report that Mueller seems to know little about.

Maybe YOU have time to waste 3 years of your life worshipping fake news fantasies and govt abuse of power and to remain stupid useful idiot.. Most of us don't...

The Steele dossier was considered "raw intelligence" - even Steele said so. Any one of a sane mind knew it wasn't anywhere near a "legitimate US Intel product", and so did everyone you mention.

No, the FISA application and the counter-intelligence operation against (former) members of the Trump campaign suspected of conspiring with a foreign power wasn't "BASED" on the Steele dossier in any significant way.

The Mueller report found ample contacts, north of 150 of them, with a criminal gang operating at the behest of Putin and Russian intelligence and contributing to an assault on U.S. elections. That obviously concerns you not one whit.

Then, something funny happens, Flac, ardent consumer of Rightardia's most outlandish propaganda outlets, turns around and talks about "fake news fantasies" - just not his own.

Just kidding, it isn't funny at all.

 

[Billiejeens]

free country full of FREE Speech and opinion plus communication eh , were any laws broken EVEye ,

Absolutely not! I was struck by the word for word similarity to what i read here..but no...I' don't think these people were out of line at all. Wrong...but they have the right to assemble..besides...how else are the FBI going to keep tabs on them?

Illegal surveillance?