Not Just Southwest: A Tsunami Of Pushback Over Mandates Is Coming For Joe Biden

[Kondor3]

No, they are just responding to the conditions we create.
Get rid of the big bucks incentive for drugs and crime associated with the drugs, and they will do something else legal and productive.

Disagree.

I see the analogy that you're trying to draw... we repealed Prohibition and suddenly the Capone-era booze-control wars evaporated...

The problem with that is that the drugs we're dealing with here are lethal and far more addictive than the bathtub gin of old...

Just as we did not excuse the gangsters of the 1920s and 1930s just because there was a demand for what they were killing to control...

So too we should not be excusing the gangbangers of the 2000s just because there is a demand for what THEY are killing to control...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, they are just responding to the conditions we create.
Get rid of the big bucks incentive for drugs and crime associated with the drugs, and they will do something else legal and productive.

Don't you believe it. Just read any reports of what's happening in places that have legalized pot. The black market pot people just lower their price.

It's the same here and I'm sure in other states. In the early 80's there were few legal places to gamble. You could go to Vegas if you had the time or money and you could legally bet on horses. Then the lottery people began to push for their game. It took a couple of elections but they finally got it passed. Their claim was so many people getting involved with the mob to gamble was dangerous and sometimes deadly.

We passed the lottery, and the mob used the states numbers for their games, except it paid more and of course tax free. It was also a huge win for them as there was no way for them to rig the numbers by the state and people trusted the state wholeheartedly.

 

[Rigby5]

Disagree.

I see the analogy that you're trying to draw... we repealed Prohibition and suddenly the Capone-era booze-control wars evaporated...

The problem with that is that the drugs we're dealing with here are lethal and far more addictive than the bathtub gin of old...

Just as we did not excuse the gangsters of the 1920s and 1930s just because there was a demand for what they were killing to control...

So too we should not be excusing the gangbangers of the 2000s just because there is a demand for what THEY are killing to control...

But the point is we SHOULD have excused the gangsters of the Prohibition era.
We created them by enticing them with huge profits, while we created the Depression with stupid banking policies.

The similarities are that there is no legal basis for any laws criminalizing any drug.
Nor can there ever legally be any laws criminalizing any drug.
That simply is beyond any possible legal law.
If people want to make stupid choices, that is their right.

Drugs are stupid, but stupidity can never be illegal.
And if drugs were legal, even handed out for free, that would end all the crime, overdose deaths, etc.
We have the greatest % imprisoned in the world.
That is not right.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

We seize tons of illegal drugs all the time. We withhold drugs from the street and distribute free needles and crack pipes so the addicts can use the drugs they commit crimes to afford. This makes no sense. We are enticing criminal activity.

Seize the drugs and distribute the drugs free along with the syringes, needles and crack pipes. Just don't let the addicts wander around.

 

[Concerned American]

We seize tons of illegal drugs all the time. We withhold drugs from the street and distribute free needles and crack pipes so the addicts can use the drugs they commit crimes to afford. This makes no sense. We are enticing criminal activity.

Seize the drugs and distribute the drugs free along with the syringes, needles and crack pipes. Just don't let the addicts wander around.

Replace opium dens with Fentanyl Flophouses in the back room of the morgue.

 

[Kondor3]

But the point is we SHOULD have excused the gangsters of the Prohibition era.

Nope.

We have the greatest % imprisoned in the world. That is not right.

It IS "right" if we also have the greatest % of criminals. You are far too soft on them. And that is why the Pubs can play the Law-and-Order Card.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Replace opium dens with Fentanyl Flophouses in the back room of the morgue.

They are dying anyway

 

[Concerned American]

They are dying anyway

Transportation charges--think of all the ambulances that would be freed up for all of the non-existent covid patients.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Transportation charges--think of all the ambulances that would be freed up for all of the non-existent covid patients.

It would stop the bodies from littering up the streets. Primitive peoples had methods of dealing with the dead. Our druggie are so uncivilized that they just let bodies lay in the street until a passerby calls a garbage truck.

 

[Rigby5]

We seize tons of illegal drugs all the time. We withhold drugs from the street and distribute free needles and crack pipes so the addicts can use the drugs they commit crimes to afford. This makes no sense. We are enticing criminal activity.

Seize the drugs and distribute the drugs free along with the syringes, needles and crack pipes. Just don't let the addicts wander around.

Agreed.
By ensuring quality and quantity, we can prevent overdoses.
By giving it away, we can prevent crimes that used to pay for the drugs.
So all the negatives can be eliminated except the actual use of the drug, which we can't stop anyway.

 

[Rigby5]

Replace opium dens with Fentanyl Flophouses in the back room of the morgue.

No one has to die if the actual dose can be measured.

 

[Rigby5]

Nope.


It IS "right" if we also have the greatest % of criminals. You are far too soft on them. And that is why the Pubs can play the Law-and-Order Card.

Things like drug use is simply NOT criminal, and never can be criminal.
Criminal is when you harm someone else.
If you want to harm yourself, you are NOT criminal.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Agreed.
By ensuring quality and quantity, we can prevent overdoses.
By giving it away, we can prevent crimes that used to pay for the drugs.
So all the negatives can be eliminated except the actual use of the drug, which we can't stop anyway.

Oh please. Why bother checking for purity. Let them have as much as they want, whenever they want. Overdoses are the LAST thing we want to prevent.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Agreed.
By ensuring quality and quantity, we can prevent overdoses.
By giving it away, we can prevent crimes that used to pay for the drugs.
So all the negatives can be eliminated except the actual use of the drug, which we can't stop anyway.

We might not have crimes to pay for the drugs. We would still have crimes as a means of livelihood, that's why keeping them isolated is so necessary. The guy high on meth who pushes an old man in front of an oncoming train isn't committing a crime to buy drugs. He is committing a crime because of drugs.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

We might not have crimes to pay for the drugs. We would still have crimes as a means of livelihood, that's why keeping them isolated is so necessary. The guy high on meth who pushes an old man in front of an oncoming train isn't committing a crime to buy drugs. He is committing a crime because of drugs.

An important point, here, I think, is that not all crimes are committed because the criminal has a rational expectation of benefitting from the crime. Especially in late-stage cases of drug abuse, you have former humans who have lost whatever soul they might once have had, who have lost the sense of right or wring, lost the rational capacity to judge what is or is not in their own interests, who will commit crimes simply because that is what their damaged, soulless mind causes them to do.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

An important point, here, I think, is that not all crimes are committed because the criminal has a rational expectation of benefitting from the crime. Especially in late-stage cases of drug abuse, you have former humans who have lost whatever soul they might once have had, who have lost the sense of right or wring, lost the rational capacity to judge what is or is not in their own interests, who will commit crimes simply because that is what their damaged, soulless mind causes them to do.

Very well said. As a member of a large family plagued by addiction, all dead now, you said that well. I hope you have not learned the knowledge that inspired what you wrote through damaging personal experience.