Not exactly unexpected, Schumer’s government shutdown part 2 may be coming

[TNHarley]

Not true.

lol ok

 

[JWBooth]

I’m a big fan of kabuki theater.
Wake me when it is something more than closing the ticket window at a national park tourist destination.
I wanna know when GIs are hitchhiking home because their jobs don’t exist. Until then it ain’t a shutdown.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I’m a big fan of kabuki theater.
Wake me when it is something more than closing the ticket window at a national park tourist destination.
I wanna know when GIs are hitchhiking home because their jobs don’t exist. Until then it ain’t a shutdown.
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[PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT]

Contrary to what you (the public) have been told...

..... ..... The government does not shut down...

..... ..... ..... ..... The government goes into a "slow down"...

..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... Most will still report to work and all will be paid.

This shit won't end until we require that the government shut down 100%.

Thank you for your attention in this matter when Congress fails to pass appropriations.

[/PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT]

 

[struth]

When Republicans control the White House, the House and the Senate, it is impossible for Democrats to shut down the government. IMPOSSIBLE.

Any suggestion that Republicans aren't totally responsible for these shutdowns is a complete joke. Furthermore, the American people didn't buy this lie for one second.

You really are clueless as to how the senate works


Why do you continue to come here and try to discuss American govt when yoh are so clueless to it?

 

[struth]

“the Democrats' expiry of the COVID supplental subsidies, which will be not much.”

WTF are you talking about???????

It was the GOP that adopted these cuts as part of your fuhrer’s Big Beautiful Bill.

It was the GOP that fought tooth and nail to keep these cuts.

There is no “we shall see” here. The premium notice hikes have all gone out.

This is on Trump, and the GOP Congress.

Your attempt to invert that reality is absolutely and shamelessly idiotic.

Hes talking another the Obamacare subs that are set to expire today, they were set to expire as part of the Dems inflation reduction act

The fact you were unaware of that basic notion is quite alarming given the debates over the past year

 

[struth]

Yes, the Clinton Administration ran budget surpluses for two years, and handed George W Bush a balanced budget.

Bush promptly gave Wall Street a big tax cut, and deficits returned instantly, Ans have co tinier ever since.

It is ironic that Ronald Reagan campaigned on “out of control” spending, only to become the biggest borrower in history up to that point.

Who passed the budget?

 

[Hollie]

When Republicans control the White House, the House and the Senate, it is impossible for Democrats to shut down the government. IMPOSSIBLE.

Any suggestion that Republicans aren't totally responsible for these shutdowns is a complete joke. Furthermore, the American people didn't buy this lie for one second.

You really should learn to pay attention.

 

[BackAgain]

lol ok

lol. Ok. Cool, brah. lol.

 

[LeftofLeft]

When Republicans control the White House, the House and the Senate, it is impossible for Democrats to shut down the government. IMPOSSIBLE.

Any suggestion that Republicans aren't totally responsible for these shutdowns is a complete joke. Furthermore, the American people didn't buy this lie for one second.

Your ignorance of the role of the filibuster is on full display. If the Senate had a simple majority vote here and not enough Republicans were voting in favor of the CR or bill, then you would have a valid point. The American people are not buying your ignorance.

 

[Independent thinker]

https://truthsocial.com/@FoxNews/115810134403452673

The most recent Schumer Shutdown always held within it the prospect of being renewed.

And although both “sides” are allegedly inclined to work more closely with each other to avoid that brinksmanship nonsense, it isn’t difficult to foresee the negotiations breaking down yet again.

I suspect that nobody is a big fan of such shutdowns. But if the GOP is serious about controlling excessive spending, it may soon prove to be inevitable.

Those idiots can't win for losing.

 

[TimFitz]

You really are clueless as to how the senate works


Why do you continue to come here and try to discuss American govt when yoh are so clueless to it?

why do you?

 

[struth]

why do you?

Because I know how are govt works

I know that in the senate for example, 60 votes is required to close debate on all legislation that is not reconciliation

 

[hadit]

“the Democrats' expiry of the COVID supplental subsidies, which will be not much.”

WTF are you talking about???????

It was the GOP that adopted these cuts as part of your fuhrer’s Big Beautiful Bill.

It was the GOP that fought tooth and nail to keep these cuts.

There is no “we shall see” here. The premium notice hikes have all gone out.

This is on Trump, and the GOP Congress.

Your attempt to invert that reality is absolutely and shamelessly idiotic.

Yeah, the Republicans are expected to fix what the democrats broke. Nope, the Schumer Shutdown was on them. That's not even really controversial.

 

[hadit]

Because I know how are govt works

I know that in the senate for example, 60 votes is required to close debate on all legislation that is not reconciliation

I think they're hoping the Republicans will nuke the filibuster completely so they can run roughshod over everyone when they are in charge, then blame Republicans, again.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Because I know how are govt works

I know that in the senate for example, 60 votes is required to close debate on all legislation that is not reconciliation

Actually that isn't quite correct.

Below is a link to the Constitution, can you point out where it says 60 votes are requried to close debate?

The 60 vote cloture requirement is a Senate Rule, not a requirement (as in "required"). End debate can happen with a simple majority in a two step process:
A mostion to suspend the rule is placed on the floor,
A vote is taken of the Senators, if they vote in the majority, the rule can be suspended.

A vote can then be taken to close debate, so a majority to suspend the rule, and a majority to suspend debate. Done without 60 votes.

(NOTE: I'm NOT saying its a good idea, I'm saying it is possible.)

WW

The United States Constitution – The U.S. Constitution Online – USConstitution.net – usconstitution.net

www.usconstitution.net

 

[struth]

Actually that isn't quite correct.

Below is a link to the Constitution, can you point out where it says 60 votes are requried to close debate?

The 60 vote cloture requirement is a Senate Rule, not a requirement (as in "required"). End debate can happen with a simple majority in a two step process:
A mostion to suspend the rule is placed on the floor,
A vote is taken of the Senators, if they vote in the majority, the rule can be suspended.

A vote can then be taken to close debate, so a majority to suspend the rule, and a majority to suspend debate. Done without 60 votes.

(NOTE: I'm NOT saying its a good idea, I'm saying it is possible.)

WW

The United States Constitution – The U.S. Constitution Online – USConstitution.net – usconstitution.net

www.usconstitution.net

It doesn’t say it in the constitution, but art 1 sect 5 allows each chamber to make its own rules

And the current rules of the senate set a 60 vote requirement to end debate

 

[WorldWatcher]

It doesn’t say it in the constitution, but art 1 sect 5 allows each chamber to make its own rules

And the current rules of the senate set a 60 vote requirement to end debate

And those rules can be changed by a simple majority correct?

WW

 

[struth]

And those rules can be changed by a simple majority correct?

WW

I’d have to go look at the rules of the senate, but I don’t think so. I think you’d still need to close debate on the change, thus getting 60 votes

But not sure your point, or what it has to do with the poster that didn’t understand how the dems could currently shut the govt down by filibustering

 

[WorldWatcher]

I’d have to go look at the rules of the senate, but I don’t think so. I think you’d still need to close debate on the change, thus getting 60 votes

Rules Of The Senate | U.S. Senate Committee on Rules & Administration

The Official U.S. Senate Committee on Rules & Administration

www.rules.senate.gov

But not sure your point, or what it has to do with the poster that didn’t understand how the dems could currently shut the govt down by filibustering

Not sure?

It's pretty simple, to invoke cloture unter filibuster rules 60 votes are required. Howeer, a simple majority can suspend the filibuster rule, then vote for cloture based on a simple majority, which then allows legislation to come to the floor for a vote which again only requires a simple majority.

So to say that the GOP can't blocka DEM filibuster because to end debate "REQUIRES" 60 votes is technically incorrect. To say "invoking cloture on a debate requires 60 votes under the current rules is correct, but it sould be noted that such a rule can be changed with a simple majority" is more correct.

WW

 

[struth]

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Rules Of The Senate | U.S. Senate Committee on Rules & Administration

The Official U.S. Senate Committee on Rules & Administration

www.rules.senate.gov

Not sure?

It's pretty simple, to invoke cloture unter filibuster rules 60 votes are required. Howeer, a simple majority can suspend the filibuster rule, then vote for cloture based on a simple majority, which then allows legislation to come to the floor for a vote which again only requires a simple majority.

So to say that the GOP can't blocka DEM filibuster because to end debate "REQUIRES" 60 votes is technically incorrect. To say "invoking cloture on a debate requires 60 votes under the current rules is correct, but it sould be noted that such a rule can be changed with a simple majority" is more correct.

WW

So they would have to completely change the rules of the senate from the current rules? Which say they can be blocked via filibuster?

No it’s technically correct because that’s the current rules of the senate